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Huawei Honor 8 Pro

Resolved

Over the past few weeks, I've been working with Honor to propose some improvements to the Huawei Honor 8 Pro article. I've submitted an edit request with a suggested infobox and "Specifications" section. I'm looking for a neutral editor to review this simple edit request, which can be found on the article's talk page (I won't edit the article directly because of my COI), and I'm hoping a WikiProject Telecommunications participant may be willing to help. Thanks! Inkian Jason (talk) 15:48, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

This edit request has been answered, so I am marking this section as resolved. Thanks! Inkian Jason (talk) 21:52, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Audio converter RfC

Please consider weighing in on this RfC about Audio converter. ~Kvng (talk) 22:44, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

Open Request: Technical help for article List of UMTS networks

Hi everybody. I've just started to improve List of UMTS networks by introducing a new table formatting and would be happy to have some help with this. There are already many entries in the list, compared to when I started introducing a new formatting for the LTE network list(s) List of LTE networks as well as List of CDMA2000 networks. I have been maintaining these for quite a while now. Even that seemed to have taken ages when I look back at it, but I believe it was a good thing to do.
Looking at List of UMTS networks: Is there anybody out there interested in helping me here? If this it not what you see yourself in - do you know anybody else who might be interested? Please take a look at the page and give me a short feedback on Talk:List of UMTS networks. Thanks. :-) Nightwalker-87 (talk) 22:16, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Notability for electronic devices (including mobiles)

Hi
Since almost a month now, I have been having discussions about a notability guideline for electronic devices, which resulted in an essay.

Recently, the situation that I was describing came in effect, when an editor created 16 articles for cameras, all of which are being considered for deletion 3 PRoD, and 13 AfD.

The essay is almost finished, but I would like more opinions/suggestions on it. Maybe it will not become an official guideline/policy, but I think it should be treated at the least as an essay. The essay is currently in userspace, if consensus is achieved theb it can be moved in mainspace.

I have posted this same request to a few other talkpages of related WikiProjects, so I request all the editors to put their comments on the talkpage of the essay to keep everything in one place. Here is the essay: User:Usernamekiran/Notability (electronic devices).

Thanks a lot in advance. —usernamekiran(talk) 20:21, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

Border Gateway

Could someone have a look at this one-sentence stub and tell me if it can be merged or redirected elsewhere? I know next to nothing about telecommunications and haven't the faintest idea what would be appropriate, if anything. It doesn't help that the similarly-named border gateway protocol has far more GHits. (Are they the same?) Or if it's unnecessary I could PROD it. Either way I'll take care of the work if someone points me in the right direction. Cheers! ♠PMC♠ (talk) 07:42, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Could be related to Voice over IP, maybe some sort of Session border controller for Next-generation networks. I don't think it is related to Border Gateway Protocol. Google is not helping. Incomming links don't offer much of a clue. I have added a {{Context}} tag. I would consider WP:PRODding it.

Thank you, I will, with a reference here. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 22:27, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Mobile Signature Roaming article edit

Hello, WikiProject Telecommunications members. The current state of the Mobile Signature Roaming article could use some work. Currently both the introduction and the "Entities involved" -section are direct quotations from ETSI TS 102 207 V1.1.3 p. 13-14 and not explicitly stated to be such. I would like to present my draft to a neutral editor for review. My aim is to word the article so that direct quotations aren't needed, and also expand on topics such as transaction flow and the state of MSS roaming in Finland.

COI Disclosure: I am a technical writer for Methics (an MSS solution manufacturer).

Methicskirmo (talk) 07:46, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Mobile Signature article edit

Hello, WikiProject Telecommunications members. I have been working on an overhaul of the Mobile Signature article in order to position its terminology more accurately, expand on related information, simplify the language and update outdated information and decrepit sources. I would like to present my draft to a neutral editor for review. The draft would split the old article into three distinct articles and move the original article's information under more appropriate topics.

Here is the draft I propose be copied over the old article. The section "MoSign project and standardization attempt" was not and couldn't be properly sourced, which is why it is removed from the draft. The information in the section "Mobile Signature with On Board Key Generation" is more closely related to Mobile Signature Service, which I have drafted into its own article here. The content of the section "Mobile signatures today" is more closely related to Mobile Identity as it discusses some forms of authentication adjacent to mobile signatures. I have drafted that too into its own article here.

COI Disclosure: I am a technical writer for Methics (an MSS solution manufacturer), and I am paid to write and edit these articles.

Methicskirmo (talk) 06:59, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

I have removed the "MoSign project and standardization attempt" section from Mobile signature. I could not find any references for this information either. I'm not convinced we need separate Mobile signature and Mobile identity articles and what you're proposing here is a bit more than a simple WP:SPLIT. Your Draft:Mobile Signature Service needs a little bit of work before it can be accepted. I've left a comment for you on that. ~Kvng (talk) 14:31, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for the prompt feedback. The current state of Mobile Signature looks better and Mobile Signature Service launched in a better state.

However, I would like to motivate the article split a bit further. One thing I hope my drafts get across is that the concepts of Mobile Identity and Mobile Signature are hierarchically related and not synonymous. While Mobile Signature is one way to implement Mobile Identity, other means exist and should be examined alongside it (eg. electronic signatures of lower Level of Assurance). For example, Austria’s Mobile Identity solution described on the Mobile Identity article does not conform to all criteria of Mobile Signatures.

On the other hand, defining and contextualizing Mobile Signatures on the Mobile Identity page calls for the definition and contextualization of all implementations of Mobile Identity on the same page; I believe it is more economical to give the implementations their own articles.

Additionally, thank you for bringing up the issue of the Mobile Identity Management page. Currently that page appears to make some incorrect assumptions (for example, Mobile Identity is not necessarily implemented with a SIM card, and Sweden’s Bank ID is restricted to banking only, which means that it cannot truly be considered a form of Mobile Identity). The draft on mobile identity takes some of Mobile Identity Management’s “By country” descriptions and attempts to fix these issues as well as add some new sources. On a related note, calling the article Mobile Identity Management seems misleading to me, as the focus doesn’t seem to be on the management aspects of Mobile Identity. Methicskirmo (talk) 10:14, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Request to update the Huawei Honor 9 article

Resolved

On behalf of Honor, I'd like to propose some improvements to the Huawei Honor 9 article, which is currently underdeveloped and inappropriately sourced. The draft I've proposed here very closely resembles the Huawei Honor 8 and Huawei Honor 8 Pro articles, and offers an overview of the model's specifications, release, and reception.

I am looking for an uninvolved editor to review the draft for accuracy and neutrality, and copy over content appropriately. The draft is not very long and should not take much time to review. You can read more about the proposed updates within the edit request on the article's talk page. Thanks again for your consideration and help. Inkian Jason (talk) 16:23, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

This edit request has been answered. Inkian Jason (talk) 17:21, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

Disambiguation links on pages tagged by this wikiproject

Wikipedia has many thousands of wikilinks which point to disambiguation pages. It would be useful to readers if these links directed them to the specific pages of interest, rather than making them search through a list. Members of WikiProject Disambiguation have been working on this and the total number is now below 20,000 for the first time. Some of these links require specialist knowledge of the topics concerned and therefore it would be great if you could help in your area of expertise.

A list of the relevant links on pages which fall within the remit of this wikiproject can be found at http://69.142.160.183/~dispenser/cgi-bin/topic_points.py?banner=WikiProject_Telecommunications

Please take a few minutes to help make these more useful to our readers.— Rod ^talk 18:58, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Splitting public-policy from technical material at Computer security

FYI

 – Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere.

Please see Talk:Computer security#Some initial ideas on a split and an overhaul.

Summary: The present article is a mish-mash of material of a general nature (technical, academic, practices, history, terms, incidents, notable-figures) and material of a socio-political nature (infrastructural, regulatory, legal, corporate, financial, espionage and cyberwar, public impacts).

This started as an RM discussion but turned into a scope one. I've proposed that a Cybersecurity article (using the term favored in technology-and-public-policy circles) should be a spinoff, per WP:SUMMARY, for the second group of material, leaving the bulk of the more general info at Computer security (the basic, non-jargon, descriptive term for the field). This would be in keeping with Cyberwarfare, Internet privacy, Internet censorship, Genetically modified food controversies, and numerous other clear splits between technology and technology policy articles (sometimes multiple such articles, e.g. Electronic cigarette → Regulation of electronic cigarettes, Safety of electronic cigarettes, and several others – but let's just start with one here).

I've done a section-by-section review of what needs to be done, but it's just one opinion, so additional input is sought.

Telecommunications: One serious issue with keeping all this stirred into a one-article mess is that national and international policy matters of "cybersecurity" frequently involve telecommunications policy more broadly, but that isn't just "computers"; it's about entire systems of telecommunications infrastructure and how they are managed and controlled (and surveilled, legally or otherwise).  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ<  10:43, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Relisting of move discussion

Greetings! I have recently relisted a requested move discussion at Talk:Hutchison 3G#Requested move 17 February 2018, regarding a page relating to this WikiProject. Discussion and opinions are invited. Thanks, SkyWarrior 20:20, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

Hughes Communications Page

Hi, I work for Hughes, a telecommunications company located right outside of DC in Maryland. I wanted to draw attention this this draft that I prepared. Link is below. I had submitted it about a month ago and was hoping for some feedback. We wanted to updated the accuracy of the page to better reflect our corporate history and product offering.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jschurtz/draft Jschurtz (talk) 18:41, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

If you're hoping this draft will replace our existing article Hughes Communications, that's probably not going to happen. Given your conflict of interest, you'll need to submit edit requests for the existing article for any proposed improvements. ~Kvng (talk) 14:00, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

WikiProject collaboration notice from the Portals WikiProject

The reason I am contacting you is because there are one or more portals that fall under this subject, and the Portals WikiProject is currently undertaking a major drive to automate portals that may affect them.

Portals are being redesigned.

The new design features are being applied to existing portals.

At present, we are gearing up for a maintenance pass of portals in which the introduction section will be upgraded to no longer need a subpage. In place of static copied and pasted excerpts will be self-updating excerpts displayed through selective transclusion, using the template {{Transclude lead excerpt}}.

The discussion about this can be found here.

Maintainers of specific portals are encouraged to sign up as project members here, noting the portals they maintain, so that those portals are skipped by the maintenance pass. Currently, we are interested in upgrading neglected and abandoned portals. There will be opportunity for maintained portals to opt-in later, or the portal maintainers can handle upgrading (the portals they maintain) personally at any time.

Background

On April 8th, 2018, an RfC ("Request for comment") proposal was made to eliminate all portals and the portal namespace. On April 17th, the Portals WikiProject was rebooted to handle the revitalization of the portal system. On May 12th, the RfC was closed with the result to keep portals, by a margin of about 2 to 1 in favor of keeping portals.

There's an article in the current edition of the Signpost interviewing project members about the RfC and the Portals WikiProject.

Since the reboot, the Portals WikiProject has been busy building tools and components to upgrade portals.

So far, 84 editors have joined.

If you would like to keep abreast of what is happening with portals, see the newsletter archive.

If you have any questions about what is happening with portals or the Portals WikiProject, please post them on the WikiProject's talk page.

Thank you.    — The Transhumanist   11:02, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Legacy section in Nortel article

I have started a discussion on the "Legacy" section" in the Nortel article, regarding the appropriateness of referring to a specific company. Feedback is welcome. isaacl (talk) 17:54, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Sources for Directive on Copyright in the Digital Single Market

Please join the discussion on what sources would be adequate for what claims on this time-sensitive article. We have the problem that countless sources point in the same direction, but the usual sources for such aggregate information fail to provide it. --Nemo 07:11, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

AFD

Hi,

I'm leaving a note to inform any interested parties that there is a telecommunications-related AFD at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Coded set.

Thanks,

StraussInTheHouse (talk) 15:15, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Invitation to WikiProject Telepohone

Hi, I was thinking that maybe you would like to join the WikiProject Telephone, A Wikiproject on Area Codes, Country Codes, etc If you would like to get involved, just visit the Wikipedia:WikiProject Telephone/Members.

There is some discussion about this project at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Telephone. ~Kvng (talk) 14:26, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Google Pixel Merger Discussion

The articles Pixel (smartphone) and Pixel 2 could potentially be merged onto the Google Pixel article. Any feedback is welcome and encouraged. The area for discussion can be found here. Plantduets (talk) 16:31, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

@Plantduets: As far as I can tell from the activity of this specific Wikiproject, I think no one is going to care much if you just go ahead with the edits to merge the articles. I'm let down that since I've joined this project (a few weeks ago), the level of activity in this group is horribly low. So, in my opinion, have at it... Make the changes... --TadgStirkland⁴⁰¹ (Tadg^Talk) 23:54, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

There seems to be a healthy discussion happening, that's what's important. Don't be discouraged by a lack of response here. You are welcome to do the merge WP:BOLDLY but that's potentially a lot of work that could get reverted if someone disagrees. That's why it is often good to discuss first. ~Kvng (talk) 15:37, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

Information engineering

Please help the discuss the focus for this new article at Talk:Information engineering. ~Kvng (talk) 14:43, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

Proposal to make redirects for area code pages

Hello, all! Whenever I want to look at pages such as, say, Area code 708, I often type in the search engine "708 (area code)". The search returns no pages, but has relevant results in its search feature. Therefore, for me and other people who would search under such a sequence of words, I would like to propose that a [number] (area code) be created to redirect to Area code [number]. This way, it would be easier to navigate and research information and histories depending on the given area code. This would make researching area codes on Wikipedia easier and smoother for interested parties, as the redirects would lead directly to the demanded pages, instead of a search page.

Who here supports, opposes, or is noncommittal regarding this maneuver? You can state freely below. Mungo Kitsch (talk) 01:03, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

I'm not quite clear if you like the current results you see when searching on "708 (area code)"? If so, I believe creating the redirect will prevent this result from appearing, since you'll be directed to the Area code 708 page. Personally, I prefer to let search engines do their job rather than create redirects for purposes of searching, but I appreciate some people have different views. For this particular case, after searching for the first area code readers should know the naming convention and adjust their searches accordingly, particularly since it has fewer characters and less punctuation. isaacl (talk) 02:56, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Area code 708 is the first result in an "708 (area code)" search. Search is doing its job. Maybe I'm not clear on what the problem is. There has been a 708 area code redirect since 2007. How many different variations are necessary? ~Kvng (talk) 01:53, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Merger discussion for Computation of radiowave attenuation in the atmosphere

An article that interests the projet—Computation of radiowave attenuation in the atmosphere—has been proposed for merging with another article. If you are interested, please participate in the merger discussion. Thank you. Pierre cb (talk) 14:15, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

A new newsletter directory is out!

A new Newsletter directory has been created to replace the old, out-of-date one. If your WikiProject and its taskforces have newsletters (even inactive ones), or if you know of a missing newsletter (including from sister projects like WikiSpecies), please include it in the directory! The template can be a bit tricky, so if you need help, just post the newsletter on the template's talk page and someone will add it for you.

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5G

You are invited to participate in Talk:5G#Russian disinformation. R2 (bleep) 18:24, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

Verizon Wireless infobox

Hello! I posted a request on the Verizon Wireless Talk page to update Key people in the infobox to clear up potential confusion. Editors here might wish to review. As I work for Verizon and have a conflict of interest, I ask others to look at my draft and make edits on my behalf. Thank you, VZEric (talk) 17:09, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Request for information on WP1.0 web tool

Hello and greetings from the maintainers of the WP 1.0 Bot! As you may or may not know, we are currently involved in an overhaul of the bot, in order to make it more modern and maintainable. As part of this process, we will be rewriting the web tool that is part of the project. You might have noticed this tool if you click through the links on the project assessment summary tables.

We'd like to collect information on how the current tool is used by....you! How do you yourself and the other maintainers of your project use the web tool? Which of its features do you need? How frequently do you use these features? And what features is the tool missing that would be useful to you? We have collected all of these questions at this Google form where you can leave your response. Walkerma (talk) 04:25, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

CfR discussion on Category:Radio

FYI: there is a CfR discussion which proposed to rename Category:Radio to Category:Radio broadcasting. See Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2019_November_2#Category:Radio. I was among the editors who suggested 'Radio broadcasting' should be a new subcategory under 'Radio'. Some sort of reorg is likely to occur and I expect/suggest that discussion should come back to WT:WikiProject Radio. Ikluft (talk) 23:40, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Help trimming redundant content between 2 DISH articles

Hi, I'm Caroline, an employee of Dish Network (as disclosed on my profile page as well as the article's talk page). I've been working with editors at Talk:Dish Network to suggest updates and other changes to the company's Wikipedia entry. In my most recent request, I've identified significant redundancy between Dish_Network#Criticisms_and_controversies and Criticism of Dish Network. Much of this text was added by a banned editor who "abusively used multiple accounts." Since I can't engage in a discussion with this editor regarding possible changes to either article, I was hoping some editors here at WikiProject Telecommunications might be able to assist by trimming down redundant text and/or providing feedback on the talk page. Thanks in advance for any help. CK-DISH (talk) 20:30, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Verizon updates (5G)

Hello! I posted requests at Talk:Verizon Wireless and Talk:Verizon Communications to update Verizon's 5G efforts. Editors here might wish to review. As I work for Verizon and have a conflict of interest, I ask others to look at my draft and make edits on my behalf. Thank you, VZEric (talk) 16:53, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

 Done VZEric (talk) 16:23, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Seeking editor assistance for Ciena article

Hello! As part of my work for Beutler Ink, I've been working with Ciena to identify some updates and other improvements to the company's Wikipedia article. I've submitted a request here to add an Overview section (or Corporate overview, if editors prefer) to give readers a basic overview of the company before diving straight into history. I've proposed specific text for easy review and copying/pasting, and all of the claims are sourced by reputable secondary coverage. Are any members of WikiProject Telecommunications willing to review this request and update the article on my behalf? Thanks! Inkian Jason (talk) 19:19, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

 Not done I left comments at Talk:Ciena#Overview_section. Other's are welcome to add their voices. ~Kvng (talk) 00:01, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Electrical telegraphy in the United Kingdom

I have started a Peer Review of Electrical telegraphy in the United Kingdom with a view to getting this to Featured Article status. The review page is here. I would be very grateful if editors would leave comments there. I would be even more grateful if you come along and support the article when it gets put up for FA. Thanks, SpinningSpark 12:31, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Request at Verizon Communications

Hello! I posted a request at Talk:Verizon Communications to include recently released 2019 financials in the Finances section. The article currently includes 2017 figures. I was wondering if editors here might wish to review the request and consider either replacing the 2017 information or adding the 2019 info as well. As I work for Verizon and have a conflict of interest, I ask others to look at my request and make edits on my behalf. Thank you, VZEric (talk) 17:00, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Standard Article Structure Proposal

I have noticed that articles for non-flagship mobile devices often have issues with formatting consistency, presence and absence of different info and so on. To help with this issue, I am proposing that a basic article structure (currently at User:RedBulbBlueBlood9911/Non-Flagship Smartphone-or-TabletComputer-or-FeaturePhone Standard Article Structure) be adopted for all such articles. This structure is meant to make it easier for editors to know what belongs in the article and how it should be presented, and is not meant to be strictly followed (the infobox is the only place where I believe that formatting conventions should be more rigid, but editors should rephrase sentences and rewrite paragraphs if needed). The structure is currently still being created, but I’d like community input on improving this structure in terms of grammar, technical accuracy and conciseness. RedBulbBlueBlood9911|Talk 07:53, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Note: This discussion is also available on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Technology and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Computing. All discussion is expected to be in the section on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Technology

Featured Articles

Electrical telegraphy in the United Kingdom has been nominated for Featured Article. Please leave comments at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Electrical telegraphy in the United Kingdom/archive1. Support is needed from more editors before it can be promoted. SpinningSpark 17:42, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Expanding 4ESS Article

Hi all, I would to expand the 4ESS article with more information. One of the issues I'm having in doing research is that everything about the switch is proprietary information. I would like to create a section specifically detailing the January 1976 cutover in Chicago of the first No. 4 ESS. In addition, maybe make mention of key individuals who contributed to the development of the 4ESS such as H. Earle Vaughan. There is very limited info about the Nokie N4E replacement, so any help on this front would be useful. Teglin333 (talk) 01:31, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

gscholar comes up with quite a lot of papers and gbooks shows there are articles in several journals including Western Electric's and Bell Labs'. You can ask for copies of anything that looks helpful at the library resource exchange. SpinningSpark 23:53, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Telkom-4

I soft-blocked the creator of this article for a user name violation but in checking their edits did not see anything overtly promotional. Not knowing anything regarding the subject I could've easily overlooked something obvious. I'm asking for those that know more about the industry to check the article and take take any steps they deem necessary (copy edit, formatting, better sources...even AFD if that's indicated). Thanks for any help, Tiderolls 12:23, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

The thing that jumps out is the crufty list of stations. Other satellite articles don't seem to have anything like it, and it is a maintenance nightmare as it is information that is likely to change frequently. There is already an EL to the source of this list so need for us to carry likely-out-of-date information. SpinningSpark 12:43, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Nokia N91

Can I get some eyes on Nokia N91? A couple of IPs are insisting on re-adding language that is subjective and promotional, and pretty much unsalvageable as-is. hbent (talk) 22:03, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

Flow (brand)

Flow (brand) was discussed during today's episode of Wikipedia Weekly. Figured I'd invite project members to help out by making any improvements to this article. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:18, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

Anyone know about Per-user unitary rate control?

This MIMO-related article is too technical/niche for me to make heads or tails of, but it needs some cleanup help if anyone here is familiar with the subject. (Also posting this over at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Computing). ~EdGl! 04:49, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

The last paragraph is a reasonable statement of notability but the claims there are uncited and don't appear to be supported by text in the body of the article. There do appear to be cited sources potentially supporting use in 3GPP. ~Kvng (talk) 14:53, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

"Internet" vs. "internet"

FYI

 – Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere.

Please see Talk:Internet#Request for comment: should "internet" be capitalized as a proper noun?
There's some debate there about the difference between "the Internet" and "an internet", about what a proper name is, and about whether news style guides (cf. WP:NOT#NEWS policy) should be considered reliable for how to write about technical topics.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  14:35, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Finding consensus for VPN article repair

See sections 9, 10, 10.1 and 11 on the talk page (permalink, in case section #s change on the current talk page). Quite a few commenters comments support that it is and has been in a sorry state for months. Looking for some old hands to help with this high-importance article. It's a big job and I feel more hands are needed to get anything moving. I sense Kvng is acting as a page owner- avoiding discussion and defending turf. I could use:

• help/advice/another opinion
• or confirmation of / experienced support for what I read as a consensus for a particular direction for the article expressed in these sections
• or other help - maybe a quality scale review from this wikiproject?

--50.201.195.170 (talk) 00:57, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

SS7 Improved article?

There's a discussion over at Talk:Signalling System No. 7#Improved article? on a potential structure for a re-worked page. Opinions and contributions on a potential structure for the technical parts would no doubt we welcomed. Chumpih (talk) 00:33, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Media vs. Telecommunications for Country Specific Article Titles

Hi, I was thinking about making a 'Media in Guyana' redirect for Telecommunications in Guyana, but I'm not sure if there's some nuance between the two terms that I'm not aware of. The way I see it, media is generally directed to the public (or customers), and telecom includes private/personal communications. For Guyana, I think these topics overlap enough to warrant a single article at this time. The thing that's got me confused is from examining Canada and Japan: both have a Media in- and Telecom in- articles, and both show blatant overlap. (Convenience links: Media in Canada, Mass media in Japan, Telecommunications in Canada, Telecommunications in Japan).

TLDR: Is my redirect a good idea? Is there a distinction warranted for articles? Cheers, Estheim (talk) 21:34, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

The question to ask yourself is, how does this redirect help readers? If you think someone searching for "Media in Guyana" would find what they're looking for at Telecommunications in Guyana, go ahead and create the redirect. ~Kvng (talk) 15:20, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Join Wikipedia Online edit-a-thon

On February 19-21, 2021 Wikipedia:WikiProject_Organized_Labour/Online_edit-a-thon_Tech_February_2021 - Online and global about trade unions and technology ~ Shushugah (talk) 23:23, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Sandbox organiser

Sandbox Organiser A place to help you organise your work

Hi all

I've been working on a tool for the past few months that you may find useful. Wikipedia:Sandbox organiser is a set of tools to help you better organise your draft articles and other pages in your userspace. It also includes areas to keep your to do lists, bookmarks, list of tools. You can customise your sandbox organiser to add new features and sections. Once created you can access it simply by clicking the sandbox link at the top of the page. You can create and then customise your own sandbox organiser just by clicking the button on the page. All ideas for improvements and other versions would be really appreciated.

Huge thanks to PrimeHunter and NavinoEvans for their work on the technical parts, without them it wouldn't have happened.

Hope its helpful

John Cummings (talk) 11:39, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Vendor profiles - help!

I'm getting a bit frustrated about telecoms industry vendor profiles. A lot of them are out of date, inaccurate or don't exist. I'm finding a lot of vandalism going on usually because rogue editors swoop in and decide because it's B2B software it "isn't notable" or the profile is "promotional". Promotional to these people means things like saying who the customers are. As a non-partisan reader I want to know who the customer is to understand where this vendor is selling. I had a vendor with 90 verified telco customers marked as non-notable. Clearly if this was a printer company 90 might not be much, but 90 telco customers makes you a reasonable player.

I wondered if we could fix this by agreeing a standard format for telecom software vendors which is then consistently applied? That would mean less wasted effort and we could point rogue editors at the template. I would suggest: (1) one sentence summary; (2) Company description: where are they based, when were they founded, what do they do in a nutshell (possibly a max length here) (3) Brief description of product set (4) How many customers, where they're situated and up to 6 egs of customers (5) Financials and commercials - how much money, how many staff, M&A activity, significant partners, inward investment (6) Awards - these are really controversial. I'd vote to not allow this as it is promotional IMHO. (7) No whitewashing of the company history. I've seen some dodgy history removed to "clean up" the profile. We need to see the good with the bad. I'd vote for a 'controversies' section which is applied if necessary | I think we do need to have a criteria for notability without this being biased against start ups and smaller vendors. But I suggest $5 million revenue and 3 named customers as a minimum. Otherwise you end up with a lot of 'projects' that aren't real companies. But if we set the bar too high it's biased against smaller firms.

I'd also like a simple "help" tag we can apply if a telecoms vendor article gets vandalised, so other people can arbitrate. This would also help us police PR and marketing spin.

I'm a telco expert not a wikipedia expert so I'd appreciate your thoughts. If we already have a template please point me at it and I'll gladly apply it. Best wishesSandrinaHatman (talk) 17:50, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Companies, telecommunications or otherwise, must meet WP:NCORP and, due to a history of promotional activity in this area, these are probably our most demanding notability guidelines. Also understand that one of the motivations for the notability guidelines is to assure there's enough WP:SECONDARY sources available on which to base a competent article. ~Kvng (talk) 15:20, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

Guidance sought at Verizon Wireless

Please see Talk:Verizon_Wireless#No_longer_a_division. I am seeking guidance on the best way to update the Verizon Wireless article since the description of Verizon Wireless as a division of Verizon Communications is no longer accurate. As I work for Verizon and have a conflict of interest, I ask others to look at my requests and make edits on my behalf. Thank you, VZEric (talk) 13:06, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Some work has already been done on this, but it may also help the article to replace Template:Infobox company with Template:Infobox brand. More detail is available at Talk:Verizon_(mobile_network)#Infobox. Due to my conflict of interest, I would like to ask others to look at my requests and make the edits on my behalf if you agree. Thank you, VZEric (talk) 15:32, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Editor keeps on adding unsourced "related devices" fields on Nokia device articles.

I am referring to Keane Verneth Calimlim who kept on adding unsourced info on them phone articles. Could anyone look into this? Blake Gripling (talk) 14:05, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Request for comment re semaphore

Please consider commenting at [[Talk:Optical telegraph#Request for comment on meaning of semaphore. SpinningSpark 08:03, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Help creating article for Visible (owned by Verizon)

Hi, I submitted a draft for review for Visible, a telecommunications company owned by Verizon, in February, but the review is taking a long time. Can someone please help and/or advise?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Visible_(wireless_service)

Thanks!

Djb2183 (talk) 20:31, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Resolved

Draft has been accepted: Visible (wireless service). ~Kvng (talk) 16:54, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

COSMOS (telecommunications)

Was wondering if there's someone in WP:TELECOM who could take a look at COSMOS (telecommunications) and see if there's any reason for keeping it. It appears to have been nothing more than an unsourced stub since it was created. I tried Googling for sources but pretty much any search of COSMOS gets hits to other subjects of the same name. Perhaps this should be merged into some other article if no sources can be found for it. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:49, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

I found a bit of material, but as this was internal to the Bell system only (I think) its a bit sparse;

• Louis J. Scerbo, John T. Sibilia, "COSMIC II frame system: the solution to office growth", pp. 98-105
  • I thought this one was going to be about COSMOS from the snippet, but it only briefly describes COSMOS being updated for use on COSMIC II.
• There's something in this edition of The Western Electrical Engineer, but I can only get a snippet.
• This article in a 1974 edition of Telephone Engineer & Management seems to have something substantial, but again I can only see snippets.

There's a few others published in various Bell journals. You'll find them if you use the same search term, I haven't tried to find full view copies of those. If you do merge, Main distribution frame is probably the best target where it is already mentioned, but it might be WP:UNDUE to include too much. SpinningSpark 14:07, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Probably best to continue these types of discussions to the respective article's talk page. I have added a linkback. ~Kvng (talk) 16:59, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

I've copied my comments there, but replying to Marchjuly's comment, if you can't find any sources for material then it shouldn't be merged anywhere. SpinningSpark 17:06, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Telecommuting#Requested move 3 August 2021

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Telecommuting#Requested move 3 August 2021 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. — Shibbolethink ^{(♔ ♕)} 02:19, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Telecommunication#Requested move 13 August 2021

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Telecommunication#Requested move 13 August 2021 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. — Shibbolethink ^{(♔ ♕)} 22:59, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Request: check suggested definition of baseband

I've stumbled on an indecisive discussion at Talk:baseband about definitions. It seems to have remained unresolved for years, with people talking about characteristics of a baseband signal in their own particular area without ever quite reaching a definition. Meanwhile, the definition in the article itself looks rather dodgy.

I've suggested a couple of potential definitions here, and would be grateful for comment. Musiconeologist (talk) 21:09, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Request: check updated definition of protocol-control information - footnotes added

I added four reference citations to protocol-control information as footnotes. Perhaps someone might review? At present, this article is rated as Stub-Class, however, this update may justify increasing its rating to at least B-Class Wikipedia:Content_assessment. WDYT? G a adams (talk) 18:10, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

It's still a stub, and not a good one at that. It's a raw definition, one of many mass created with an automated process from an out of date, and sometimes inaccurate glossary. SpinningSpark 22:34, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:BATM Advanced Communications#Requested move 27 March 2022

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:BATM Advanced Communications#Requested move 27 March 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. 🐶 EpicPupper ^{(he/him | talk)} 00:46, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

One of your project's articles has been selected for improvement!

Hello, Please note that Broadband, which is within this project's scope, has been selected as one of the Articles for improvement. The article is scheduled to appear on Wikipedia's Community portal in the "Articles for improvement" section for one week, beginning today. Everyone is encouraged to collaborate to improve the article. Thanks, and happy editing! Delivered by — MusikBot talk 00:05, 11 April 2022 (UTC) on behalf of the AFI team

User script to detect unreliable sources

Main page: User:Headbomb/unreliable

I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like

• John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14. (John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.)

and turns it into something like

• John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.

It will work on a variety of links, including those from {{cite web}}, {{cite journal}} and {{doi}}.

The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.

Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.

- Headbomb {t · c · p · b}

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Question about articles "Phase-shift keying" and "Very minimum shift keying"

Can Very minimum shift keying, an Orphan article, be mentioned/added into Phase-shift keying article? Asking for expert help here. JoeNMLC (talk) 19:13, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Looking at Very minimum shift keying, it looks like it might be bogus, there is no explanation of how it works, so it certainly should not be merged. It could be mentioned in the see also section. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:16, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

I agree, this is fringe science, the whole idea is counter to basic laws of information transmission. Similar to perpetual motion proponents like Thomas E. Bearden with ideas based on a mixture of a misunderstanding of physical principles and wishful thinking. The claim is extraordinary, so needs extraordinary evidence, which is not present. A large number of the cites are dead and ref #2 gives a different meaning for the initialism VMSW so I am not even sure that paper is about the same thing. SpinningSpark 13:52, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

@Graeme Bartlett and Spinningspark: - Thank you for this input. Since writing this, I see there have been prior discussions at the "Very minimum shift keying talk page. Wondering if VLSK should be put up for Delete? JoeNMLC (talk) 16:00, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

RF redirect

There is a proposal at Talk:RF (disambiguation)#Requested move 21 July 2022 to turn RF, which is currently a redirect to Radio frequency, into a disambiguation page. Further comments welcome there. SpinningSpark 19:57, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Open Verizon edit requests

WikiProject Telecommunications members may be interested in two open edit requests I posted:

1. Request to update CEO on the Verizon Business article
2. Request to include Verizon's broadband statement on the Verizon Communications article

As I work for Verizon and have a conflict of interest, I ask others to look at my requests and make edits on my behalf. I am happy to answer questions about these requests on the article Talk pages. Thank you, VZEric (talk) 15:05, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Smartphones

A new discussion about a new WikiProject related to WikiProject Telecommunications. is currently being discussed. Share your thoughts here. SMBMovieFan (talk) 02:52, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Digital Video Broadcasting#Requested move 31 October 2022

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Digital Video Broadcasting#Requested move 31 October 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. — Shibbolethink ^{(♔ ♕)} 00:50, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Template:IoT

Hey there,

I'm drafting an infobox on IoT. [Many] additions and corrections would be welcome.

Cheers,

François Robere (talk) 17:21, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

One of your project's articles has been selected for improvement!

Hello, Please note that Telephone line, which is within this project's scope, has been selected as one of the Articles for improvement. The article is scheduled to appear on Wikipedia's Community portal in the "Articles for improvement" section for one week, beginning today. Everyone is encouraged to collaborate to improve the article. Thanks, and happy editing! Delivered by — MusikBot talk 00:05, 12 December 2022 (UTC) on behalf of the AFI team

Reliability of CNET

This is a notice that per WP:RSN#Beware: CNet running AI-generated articles, byline "CNet Money", there is consensus that CNET is no longer considered a reliable source. Thank you for your attention. InfiniteNexus (talk) 18:43, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Country calling codes

There is a discussion at Talk:List of country calling codes#Removal of off-topic material that could use some fresh eyes please. It is rather going round in circles at the moment. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 00:12, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

COI request from Verizon

I have two outstanding requests that WikiProject Telecommunications editors may be interested in. The first is to update information on the history of Verizon Communications. The second is to help remove promotional language from the Verizon Business article.

As I work for Verizon and have a conflict of interest, I ask others to look at my requests and make edits on my behalf. I can answer any questions about these requests on the Verizon Communications and Verizon Business Talk pages. Thank you, VZEric (talk) 23:34, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

Verizon history request

There is an outstanding request I have posted on the Talk page of the Verizon Communications article about the subsection Merger of equals (2000–2002) that WikiProject Telecommunications members may be interested. This subsection about Verizon's history is out of order and could generally benefit from some additional editing.

As I work for Verizon and have a conflict of interest, I ask others to look at my requests and make edits on my behalf. I can answer any questions about these requests on the Verizon Communications Talk page. Thank you VZEric (talk) 19:52, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

This has been implemented. VZEric (talk) 23:35, 11 April 2023 (UTC)