POST-Episode Discussion - S2E13 "Such Sweet Sorrow"

Saru is gonna stab somebody.

So Spock's just gonna up and leave for the future without telling his parents, huh? Damn that's cold

Enterprise’s plaque said “Starship class”

The original Number One. Love the classic photon torpedo sound effect.

They're only surrounded in two dimensions. Leland is making the same mistake as Khan.

Someone hit the "Z" toggle.

Big plot point I haven't seen anyone mention yet:

What will the fallout of Reno's encounter with the time crystal be?

Well, Spock being aboard Discovery at the end of this episode just means he ultimately doesn't end up in the future.

I actually liked the Enterprise bridge design, nice blend of the original design and the current aesthetic.

Also, "ship hitting the fan".

S2E01: "Not every cage is a prison, not every loss eternal."

S2E13: "The problem is the cage, it is interfering with the charge."

S2E14: ?

Adm. Cornwell must have a personal spore drive or something, because she's always appearing out of nowhere.

A respectable goodbye to Pike..

until CBS announces a spin-off Pike show amirite? :D

"All major systems are back online, and we'll have no more holographic communications... ever."

"Probably for the best."

Good episode, but why did nobody even think about the possibility of he sphere data trying to protect itself? I wondered several episodes ago why they didn’t just destroy Discovery and assumed it was just because obviously they wouldn’t be able to self destruct it or fly it into a sun.

Also, the Enterprise can’t destroy it while it’s just sitting there with its shields up? Yet we should have hope that they are going to hold its own against a fleet of section 31 ships?

"we're surrounded"

I see they're still displaying 2 dimensional thinking

So...

Spock gets left behind

Enterprise/Pike/Spock survives the torpedo

Disco pops to the future

Gets abandoned by crew (alternatively different order)

Develops sentient AI

Sooo, is the show going to the future for good?

The original intent of the show was to be multi-generational, and they said they would fix any discrepancies for TOS by the end of this season. So is it happening!?

If so, Spock still has to get back on the Enterprise first somehow.

Random thoughts!

1. DS9 flirted heavily with the use of fighters in Star Trek, but it was still surprising to see the Enterprise and Discovery basically strapping guns and whatnot onto anything that'll fly for the big showdown. Cool though. I mean theoretically you can replicate phaser components, and in that sort of situation it makes sense to replicate all the guns you can and bolt them to all the ships you have.

2. Evil Georgiou stealing the show again. Michelle Yeoh's comic timing is superb.

3. The way the crew piled in to help Burnham was great but I wish it had felt more earned. That's the difference between a long season like regular Treks have and this. We know that Tilly and Burnham are BFFs because we watched their friendship grow in the first season, we don't quite have that in the rest of the crew. There's a difference between scenes where the crew are doing epic space hero stuff together and scenes, or even snippets, where we see (for example) Kira and Jadzia in silly princess costumes coming out of the holosuite, or Garak and Bashir talking about their lunches. More a format issue than the show's fault, but it stuck out a bit for me, I want to know this crew better.

4. Bit of a sense of that final hour of Lord of the Rings about this episode. I enjoyed it to a point, but it's like, Pike's been temporary captain for a few months. I'm sure everybody likes the guy but dial it down a little.

5. If you're going to do so many emotional farewells in an episode alongside a gigantic pile of epic-battle preparation you cannot have this large ticking clock in the narrative (literally big clocks for part of it). Felt like the episode was structured oddly because of this, it's like, folks, it's always love, but you've got to sort your shit out because here come the baddies so how about you focus up. The show has done this before.

6. I don't know how it's going to get it in this world of short seasons, rapid epic plotlines and streaming services, but I really feel like this show needs time. Would love a normal, twenty-some episode long season with this crew just to get to know them.

"I thought there were no bad ideas...?"

Anyone feel like we are going to get Klingons next episode? I feel like it's a way for the Enterprise and Discovery to even the odds a bit, without S31/ Control knowing they are there.

In reality even though Enterprise and Discovery are more like cruisers, they wouldn't last more than 2 minutes against a fleet of 30 ships.

Anyone else notice the return of the good old exploding rocks in the future scenes?

Hnnngggg

Where the hell is the rest of starfleet? Like wouldn't starfleet proper have more ships/firepower than S31? What about the vulkans and klingons, you'd think they'd be interested in just murdering S31 to death w/ the federation?

This episode was a giant tease!! but damn the ENT bridge was sonthing else.

Can someone please explain to me why they can't just jump discovery to another galaxy to avoid control?

For all of the mentions of how close the fleet was, it sure seemed like there was a lack of sense of urgency from most of the characters.

“We’re surrounded”

In 2D maybe?

What mirror universe? wink

I hope this means Nhan will become a regular next season.

How am I supposed to interpret the whole "What alternate universe *wink" scene? The logical part of me is thinking he's simply saying "yeah, of course I know" but then there's part of me who saw that as "Good job keeping up the evil Emperor rouse Phillipa but you'll get found out as the prime Georgiou eventually".

DAT BRIDGE THO

I have to say that Pike is prob my fav captain next to Picard.

The Enterprise interior was far too expensive looking and beautiful for just a couple of episodes, Pike series, hopefully?...

I see there’s no “Enterprise Captain’s Book Of Secrets” as Pike knows all about the mirror universe and winks, smiles and says “What mirror universe” Kirk finds out the hard way over a decade later.

Queen: "One of the fun things about becoming Queen of the most politically relevant planet in the galaxy is that I don't have to listen to any snark. I made it an actual law."

Emperor: "What?"

Damn, the Enterprise is sexy

How many of the short treks have become pot relevant now? I didn't think the one with Po ever would but here we are. There's also Saru's, and I have a suspicion Calypso will be relevant now that we have Discovery travelling to the future. The Sphere data being onboard also explains why the ship becomes sentient

Holy shit, I love the redesign Enterprise

This was quite the episode. From seeing the Enterprise in all her glory, to the crew pledging themselves to go to the future I was on the edge if my seat the entire time despite one too many character speeches. Some of the character moments were incredibly good, though. The scene between Culber and Stametts was great as was the scene with Sarek, Amanda and Michael.

This is crazy! We have a spore drive!

I'm with the Klingon. Why can't they spore jump to Terralysium or the next galaxy and park Discovery there?

SOMEONE IS HIDDEN IN THAT DAMN UNDETONATED TORPEDO.

My god it was nice to have some actual colour on the show. I'm so sick of blue.

Did I miss the tilly and queen episode somewhere?

That Enterprise bridge set is far, faaaaar too sexy for a one-off appearance. They've got a Pike series in the works, I'm almost certain now.

Has this whole season has been a backdoor pilot for a Pike series?!

You all seem to be forgetting Discovery was empty for a millennium, not just a millenium in the future. Going 1k years into the future would put "Calypso" in the 4200s, not the 3200s.

First they conclude that the Red Signals must be placed by Burnham after they manufacture her an Angel Suit.

Then they conclude that the new Suit will burn out when Burnham uses it once to go to the future, making it so that she cannot come back.

Nobody, not even one of the only remotely competent people on this ship (Spock, Georgiou, Reno, in case someone is wondering) is noticing that not both can be true?

"I haven't been sure what to make of you lately, but I am glad to have you on our side for this."

"More fun to come, assuming we survive."

"Good luck."

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"Initializing... I'm Terran by the way, from your Mirror Universe."

"What mirror universe?" *wink*

i usually try not to do this but if burnham's parents could find and reach disco despite the sabotage, why couldn't they alert the rest of the fleet to send real backup

For anyone who was confused by the "Previously On..." segment, you should check out the Short Trek "Runaway," which was originally released on October 4, 2018 (January 17, 2019 for Netflix users).

All four Short Treks are available on the streaming platform on which you usually watch Discovery.

Officially the most melodramatic show I've ever watched.

This episode was a lot of build up. I'm excited to see next week's resolution! I'm wondering what they are going to do with Spock. He can't go to the future, or if he does it's obvious he or they all come back. Also Jet Reno seeing the vision is going to be a huge Chekhov's gun next episode!

If Spock ends up being left behind, would CBS really go there and turn Discovery into a stealth reboot of the original Star Trek via season 3 of Discovery? I mean, that is if all of the rest of the crew and Discovery ends up staying in the future.

Just a thought that's been running through my head this entire episode.

Yeomen Colt was listed in the credits. That's cool.

I still don't understand why they can't just spore drive the ship somewhere really far away. Does the Spore Drive now have some kind of range? It would've been nice if it had from square one...

Also, it seemed like they had scenes out of order in the episode. Culber goes to Stamets and announces his intention to leave with the Enterprise before the crew ever decides to stay with the ship. He was like "I'm going to the Enterprise, and I'm like "aren't you all?" There was a similar confusing discontinuity with Queen Poh.

I kind of feel like the last episode left us at the countdown before a race, but this episode they're stalling even though we're ready to just GO. I have this pent up energy and no relief.

Clearly though they were using this as mostly a character episode, letting people accept their fates, say goodbye, and establish who's going to be in the next season.

One thing's for sure is that Spock is definitely not going with them, despite his apparent current wishes. Something will probably go wrong and he'll be left behind by his own will or not. Georgiou looks like she's staying on the ship too but considering the S31 show, she'll probably end up on Enterprise as well by the end.

Someone needs to make a collection of Enterprise screen shots though. Really want to take a good look and appreciate the work they did on her!

There’s rocks on the floor from Disco’s exploding consoles

Two thoughts.

• OK seeing what they did with the Enterprise bridge and how perfectly modernized yet still spiritually the SAME as the TOS bridge...I can't help but think that they intentionally designed Discovery the way they did to get a specific reaction out of people. It absolutely did not fit the current timeline, only because it was the most advanced ship in the fleet by far. Even Pike says so, "there'll never be another like her" something to that effect.

• Secondly, totally unrelated but also related. I have been SO confused for the last few weeks. I thought last week was the season finale, then I thought this week was. Then they finally say NEXT WEEK ON THE SEASON FINALE. Am I the only one that was confused? Probably.

Fuck. That bridge though.

If the JJ Abrams 2009 Star Trek bridge felt like an Apple product, this iteration of the bridge is pure Android.