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I don't really know what this is, just have been dealing with stuff, and thought I would post this. Comments that I am insane or that "such stresses never happen from positive supernatural events" -- please, avoid.

Heard it all. That is the whole reason why people keep their mouths shut on these things. It is painful to get told such things. It is not sensitive honesty, it is crude and narrow minded.

I use the word "supernatural" here, probably just because as one of my bullet points below points out I have had to adjust my language and actions so much it is second nature for me to be cagey - guarded - on these matters.

Okay, without getting into details, I have had a lot of supernatural events over the years and have seen the following sorts of problems arise routinely:

- Dealing with the world on a regular basis. When you have a massive event, series of events, it can be really hard to "return to earth" and deal with minor stuff that is required for daily living. Brushing teeth, sleeping on a regular schedule, going to work and doing work, eating right, having normal conversations with people or normal interests.

- Learning to deal with people who have (so they claim) never had any kind of supernatural event in their life.

- Negative blowbacks. Extreme disassociations from family relations, paranoid delusions, extraordinary fear delusions, driving into sin to try and be "normal"

- Grappling with identity. Is one so good to experience such things or so bad. Is this normal, if one is silent on such things generally (because the world does not accept them and you learn to be by severe force) how does one know ANYTHING is as it seems ANYWHERE.

- Living a cover life with a cover view on matters. I have had to spend enormous amounts of time and energy attempting to talk and act in ways that appear as normal. I was initially as open and honest as possible, and this, of course, got me into all sorts of trouble. I have learned to be cagey, to keep secrets, to speak in equivalent terms. I am unable to get drunk or really have any meaningful relations with anyone because stuff might spill out which they would have serious problems with. It is worse then if you work in some sort of classified job, because there -- they don't really have any secrets in comparison.

- The stress of secrets. It makes you want to explode on a regular basis. Someone might say "what about the peace of God", sure. But I am human, and the stress of having to keep one's mouth shut in the many situations which arise where you just want to scream that people do not know what they are talking about or such is intense and can happen randomly, out of the blue.

There is such a thing as passion, and when the world operates as if there is nothing going on but what they can see with their physical eyes or ears, it is maddening. There is nothing anyone can do about it.

- Loneliness. Big emotional events are these things and they dwarf everything else. They dwarf divorce, job stress, job loss, bills, car problems, sports, everything. You can not go, "Oh, hey, how was your day?" Or "anything new happen today"? Or with peers at work, "Hey, so anything exciting happen recently?"

- The understanding. It takes time to understand massive things which can happen in one fast moment. Months. Years. One gets better at dealing with such things. It becomes normalized. It is nothing like the movies. MiB, Dark City, Vanilla Sky, Matrix, Inception, Sixth Sense, Dr Who, Fringe, Supernatural... on and on with all the movies out there with people introduced to massive new events and just shrugging it off after a momentary shock. No.

- Uncertainty and Seeking. The more happens, the more one seeks. It is a cycle. An unending cycle. There are rarely clear answers, even in one's heart. There are massive unknowns. Even if something is true, if it is massive, it is extremely difficult to finally come to that decision -- especially if there is no sort of backup anywhere else. No reliance on tradition, no reliance on "what the majority thinks".

Powerlessness. What happens next? What will be the next big revelation? Will it be good? Terrifying? Finally explain things? Will the big answers finally come?

- Escapism. There are countless ways of escape. The desire for escape can be enormous. But, there is, of course, no escape. It can be a Jonah type thing where one has some sort of hidden motive to not want to be responsible for the good of the wicked. Or it can be to just not have to have so much responsibility.
 

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I do not know what you are going through. But from my own experiences and others, supernatural events do occur to believers--remember spiritual warfare--we are told to put on the whole armor of God. Ephesians 6:10-19. Some people don't realise it because they have never experienced it.

Perhaps you want to read William Gurnall--Christian in Complete Armor (you can easily google for it).
 
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I kind of understand what you are saying, not in totality for you are not straightforward, neither did you state examples of what you have seen or been shown.

However you have to remember in life, some people will accept what you have and some will not. There will be some who will snide, scoff and even call you a liar when you say these things which you have been shown.

In those days a lot of the prophets were frustrated at a certain point in their lives, many even wanted to die. Because of the things they were subjected to. That is why God said those who will follow Him have to carry their cross and do so.

Carrying one's cross is a do or die affair. That whatever the Lord has called you to do, you will obey like His sheep, without complaints and grumbling even if its so uncomfortable.

Did you go to heaven or something or what did you see? Its up to you if you want to share some of the supernatural things you have seen.

But in everything you see or that happens to you, always soak yourself in the blood of Jesus and always pray the protection of the Lord over your life so that the enemy will not have a way.
 
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It sounds like you've been through a lot and so you've got a lot to process. Don't forget that you don't have to do that in your own strength.

"Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.” (Matthew 11:28-30)
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So many points, I'll respond my best to each. :)

- Dealing with the world on a regular basis. When you have a massive event, series of events, it can be really hard to "return to earth" and deal with minor stuff that is required for daily living. Brushing teeth, sleeping on a regular schedule, going to work and doing work, eating right, having normal conversations with people or normal interests.

This is true for natural events as well. After my son died, I just couldn't figure out why the hell everyone was acting so normal. We are all stuck behind our own eyes.

- Learning to deal with people who have (so they claim) never had any kind of supernatural event in their life.

I might be able to help you with this. I myself have never had what could commonly be thought of as a 'supernatural' event in my life. Though I made a distinct decision to be less cynical after my Lord knocked me upside the head with His grace.

- Negative blowbacks. Extreme disassociations from family relations, paranoid delusions, extraordinary fear delusions, driving into sin to try and be "normal"

What sort of delusions? Anxiety is one thing, wearing a tinfoil hat is another. What are you afraid of, brother?

- Grappling with identity. Is one so good to experience such things or so bad. Is this normal, if one is silent on such things generally (because the world does not accept them and you learn to be by severe force) how does one know ANYTHING is as it seems ANYWHERE.

In the Bible both 'good' people and 'bad' people experienced the supernatural. I don't think you can make a determination based on that.

You are righteous because Christ died for you. The rest is refinement. :)

- Living a cover life with a cover view on matters. I have had to spend enormous amounts of time and energy attempting to talk and act in ways that appear as normal. I was initially as open and honest as possible, and this, of course, got me into all sorts of trouble. I have learned to be cagey, to keep secrets, to speak in equivalent terms. I am unable to get drunk or really have any meaningful relations with anyone because stuff might spill out which they would have serious problems with. It is worse then if you work in some sort of classified job, because there -- they don't really have any secrets in comparison.

I have experienced this as well to the extent that the ideas in my head don't seem to be what others want them to be. I have been a rather strange girl right from the start. Though my weirdness is by God's design and God's refining. I know this because my 'far out' thoughts have brought comfort to quite a few folks who otherwise had no comfort. It's the Lord's work.

Discernment is key here. Jesus didn't heal everywhere, he didn't flip over tables everywhere, he didn't call just anyone a 'brood of vipers', and he didn't explain the parables to just anyone. He dealt with people where they were. His preached the kingdom of God to his audience - whoever they were at any given moment.

- The stress of secrets. It makes you want to explode on a regular basis. Someone might say "what about the peace of God", sure. But I am human, and the stress of having to keep one's mouth shut in the many situations which arise where you just want to scream that people do not know what they are talking about or such is intense and can happen randomly, out of the blue.

Gotta know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em. ;)

There is such a thing as passion, and when the world operates as if there is nothing going on but what they can see with their physical eyes or ears, it is maddening. There is nothing anyone can do about it.

This is much more prevalent in certain parts of the world. I'm over here in the rust belt, and we are more interested in putting food on the the table than flights of 'fancy', but folks in more artistic cities and countries are not so hard-nosed and practical. Perhaps a move might be in order? Or a trip?

- Loneliness. Big emotional events are these things and they dwarf everything else. They dwarf divorce, job stress, job loss, bills, car problems, sports, everything. You can not go, "Oh, hey, how was your day?" Or "anything new happen today"? Or with peers at work, "Hey, so anything exciting happen recently?"

I hate small talk. I hate having friendly acquaintances. Unless you are my bank teller or my cashier, I will have your life story, thankyouverymuch. But like I said, I'm weird. I actually like people. lol

- The understanding. It takes time to understand massive things which can happen in one fast moment. Months. Years. One gets better at dealing with such things. It becomes normalized. It is nothing like the movies. MiB, Dark City, Vanilla Sky, Matrix, Inception, Sixth Sense, Dr Who, Fringe, Supernatural... on and on with all the movies out there with people introduced to massive new events and just shrugging it off after a momentary shock. No.

It's true. It takes a lifetime to understand our lifetime ...and probably longer.

- Uncertainty and Seeking. The more happens, the more one seeks. It is a cycle. An unending cycle. There are rarely clear answers, even in one's heart. There are massive unknowns. Even if something is true, if it is massive, it is extremely difficult to finally come to that decision -- especially if there is no sort of backup anywhere else. No reliance on tradition, no reliance on "what the majority thinks".

Nope. Once you walk away from tradition, you are on your own. You'll have to rely on the grace of God. Which is what He wants anyway. Funny how He works that out. ;)

Powerlessness. What happens next? What will be the next big revelation? Will it be good? Terrifying? Finally explain things? Will the big answers finally come?

Again. God's grace is sufficient for you. Crazy or sane, lonely or inundated with people, supernatural or natural, God is working it out. It's all in His hands, and you gotta trust the Master to finish His masterpiece beautifully ...even when it hurts like hell.

- Escapism. There are countless ways of escape. The desire for escape can be enormous. But, there is, of course, no escape. It can be a Jonah type thing where one has some sort of hidden motive to not want to be responsible for the good of the wicked. Or it can be to just not have to have so much responsibility.

God is good. He is even gooder than we want Him to be. But that is a function of the old man that is being burned away. The new man sees the work of His Father and wants to join in.

You sound weary, brother. Please feel free to PM me if you want to talk.

The Lord bless you and keep you
The Lord make His face to shine upon you and comfort you
The Lord turn His countenance upon you and give you peace.
 
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I don't really know what this is, just have been dealing with stuff, and thought I would post this. Comments that I am insane or that "such stresses never happen from positive supernatural events" -- please, avoid.

Heard it all. That is the whole reason why people keep their mouths shut on these things. It is painful to get told such things. It is not sensitive honesty, it is crude and narrow minded.

I use the word "supernatural" here, probably just because as one of my bullet points below points out I have had to adjust my language and actions so much it is second nature for me to be cagey - guarded - on these matters.

Okay, without getting into details, I have had a lot of supernatural events over the years and have seen the following sorts of problems arise routinely:

- Dealing with the world on a regular basis. When you have a massive event, series of events, it can be really hard to "return to earth" and deal with minor stuff that is required for daily living. Brushing teeth, sleeping on a regular schedule, going to work and doing work, eating right, having normal conversations with people or normal interests.

- Learning to deal with people who have (so they claim) never had any kind of supernatural event in their life.

- Negative blowbacks. Extreme disassociations from family relations, paranoid delusions, extraordinary fear delusions, driving into sin to try and be "normal"

- Grappling with identity. Is one so good to experience such things or so bad. Is this normal, if one is silent on such things generally (because the world does not accept them and you learn to be by severe force) how does one know ANYTHING is as it seems ANYWHERE.

- Living a cover life with a cover view on matters. I have had to spend enormous amounts of time and energy attempting to talk and act in ways that appear as normal. I was initially as open and honest as possible, and this, of course, got me into all sorts of trouble. I have learned to be cagey, to keep secrets, to speak in equivalent terms. I am unable to get drunk or really have any meaningful relations with anyone because stuff might spill out which they would have serious problems with. It is worse then if you work in some sort of classified job, because there -- they don't really have any secrets in comparison.

- The stress of secrets. It makes you want to explode on a regular basis. Someone might say "what about the peace of God", sure. But I am human, and the stress of having to keep one's mouth shut in the many situations which arise where you just want to scream that people do not know what they are talking about or such is intense and can happen randomly, out of the blue.

There is such a thing as passion, and when the world operates as if there is nothing going on but what they can see with their physical eyes or ears, it is maddening. There is nothing anyone can do about it.

- Loneliness. Big emotional events are these things and they dwarf everything else. They dwarf divorce, job stress, job loss, bills, car problems, sports, everything. You can not go, "Oh, hey, how was your day?" Or "anything new happen today"? Or with peers at work, "Hey, so anything exciting happen recently?"

- The understanding. It takes time to understand massive things which can happen in one fast moment. Months. Years. One gets better at dealing with such things. It becomes normalized. It is nothing like the movies. MiB, Dark City, Vanilla Sky, Matrix, Inception, Sixth Sense, Dr Who, Fringe, Supernatural... on and on with all the movies out there with people introduced to massive new events and just shrugging it off after a momentary shock. No.

- Uncertainty and Seeking. The more happens, the more one seeks. It is a cycle. An unending cycle. There are rarely clear answers, even in one's heart. There are massive unknowns. Even if something is true, if it is massive, it is extremely difficult to finally come to that decision -- especially if there is no sort of backup anywhere else. No reliance on tradition, no reliance on "what the majority thinks".

Powerlessness. What happens next? What will be the next big revelation? Will it be good? Terrifying? Finally explain things? Will the big answers finally come?

- Escapism. There are countless ways of escape. The desire for escape can be enormous. But, there is, of course, no escape. It can be a Jonah type thing where one has some sort of hidden motive to not want to be responsible for the good of the wicked. Or it can be to just not have to have so much responsibility.


It's hard to know what the point of your post is when you won't share details, sorry.

Are you saying you're a closet Christian? Or are you saying that you've seen a ghost? I honestly cannot figure out from what you've posted what your thread is about because it's too vague.

PS Who is John Galt? Pretty sure he's a character out of an Ayn Rand book.
 
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Tell you what. Come to me when you meet someone who hasn't struggled with any of these points. The only thing I can tell you is to have two things. 1) Faith that God will reveal everything in the End, and destroy all doubts and negative emotions(but are they really negative?). 2) Have some patience on these matters. All will be revealed in the End, so try your hardest and don't worry about the past. You literally cannot change it. So you're good.
 
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I do not know what you are going through. But from my own experiences and others, supernatural events do occur to believers--remember spiritual warfare--we are told to put on the whole armor of God. Ephesians 6:10-19. Some people don't realise it because they have never experienced it.

Perhaps you want to read William Gurnall--Christian in Complete Armor (you can easily google for it).

Yes... they do. I think, I was just deciding to make myself vulnerable, and see if others had dealt with some of these same struggles, because that would tell me a lot about what they had gone through.

I do and have heard countless stories of miracles, visions, dreams which Christians (and others) have had. I follow that sort of thing very closely.

It is commonly expressed, and I believe it in many instances, if not all.

I think one story I read last week was in a book on angels and how this old lady named Edna was driving home on a country road and her car broke down. Out of nowhere comes this beatup truck. Really beat up. And it pulls over and and a handsome young man gets out.

He changes her tire, and she then says to him, "I know who you are!" The author said she was a very direct sort of person.

He smiled, got into his truck, and then the truck and him just disappeared.


That kind of thing leaves a person with a really warm feeling and they see how their faith was rewarded. They tend to warmly treasure such moments.


I suppose the sort of thing I have always wondered is more about more serious stuff. Like 'the apocalypse is coming'. And what that will mean not just positively, but negatively. How people will be horrified. How they will cope.

Obviously, I see a lot of Christians (and others) who believe very strongly in end of the world scenarios coming soon.


But then there is another type. A type who has seen it so vividly - like how the prophets of old saw what they saw - and they are stirred to the core on it.

How that effects them. What they are doing. What they are saying.
 
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I am by no means an expert, but I have spent time learning about the supernatural. I have experienced certain things in my life.

Do you mind sharing with us here what types of experiencs you are having that seem to be troubling you?


Really serious end of the world stuff.


I am just coming out of a tail end of a hurricane that lasted about six years, and was very persistent. It tied into my past life showing me a great amount of my past life was not at all what I had thought.

There was a lot before then which this all led up to. A lot of little stuff, but some real big dreams and visions here and there over the years.


I have not been sent anywhere, God has not said "go and do this" nor "go and do that", which is part of the problem. By inference, by implication, and by not a few direct statements this was not that kind of situation, where I might go and say, "Thus says God". It was training.

And it was specifically training to be able to work with something extremely mind bending and emotionally explosive.

Where I am right now, is coming out of really a long series of hurricanes with rests in between having been as put there by an employer without much explanation as to what I am being trained to do.

By implication, now, that I am at the end of that over a period of nearly forty years, I am going, "Okay. So I was just trained in walking in hurricanes really severely over decades. And I see no hurricanes."

I have been shown a lot of what one might call the troops of God, angels, and what I have seen has been extremely intense. So, not only am I sitting here going, "I am not seeing any hurricanes in the real world, so what - on earth - is coming that required that much training" but "what are all of these super powered troops going to do".


Otherwise, specifics, I am not sure really what to say. My normal life was never very normal, but now it has been finely tuned. It is routine, not exceptional, for supernatural things to happen through the day. There is no separation.

There have been "big events" materially though some may call such things visions... though literal miracles in the real world -- at least from where I am standing. There have been serious visions, which normally have simply ended with a singular message. Some have been horrific, some not. And likewise, with dreams.

But no singular event nor a list of many events would properly describe the training.

The greatest stuff is so bizarre it is unbelievable. The smallest stuff can also be unbelievable because it is so routine.

Most of this stuff is not unbelievable in terms of "that is really gigantic", but "that is really bizarre and I have never heard of that before" and "what does that mean possibly" outside of a very large context.
 
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Did you go to heaven or something or what did you see? Its up to you if you want to share some of the supernatural things you have seen.
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I just explained it in my first two responses as well as I could, I think. I should have foreseen this would be a common question, but I also knew I would not be able to easily answer it.

As I am not sent anywhere, and have no message, I have side stepped it.

It was training, all of it together, and what persists is a lot of skills and a lot of experience, one could say in a field which does not yet exist.


Any singular experience would not do it justice, any singular skill would also not do it justice.


One of my friend's compares it to the making of the Atomic Bomb, the trinity or manhatten project. Where nobody really knew what they were working on.


I think what really disturbs me now, coming out of so much over so many decades where I can finally see how so much makes sense when it did not before is that I have been trained in not just a field that does not exist yet... but in a field that people really would hope would not exist.

Like if I joined the military and I was trained in dealing with the aftermath of a MAD nuclear or biological warfare scenario where it was made very clear it was not "just for preparation" nor "just for training" but was something the military command knew was going to happen soon.


Because I really do not think God - unlike mere men - would put someone through such training "just in case it happens". God knows what is going to happen.

More specifically, it has been in working with angels. Being shown a lot of their capabilities on the ground, and capabilities "in the air".

Unlike an actual man made military, I can discuss such things because it does not matter if the enemy knows about their capabilities. There is nothing they could do about it even if they were able to believe it.

I do not here mean Satan, either.

There is nothing much to discuss there because it would be out of context and difficult to explain, giving specifics would be too little.


Otherwise, it has been a lot of traumatic visions, dreams, and miracles -- and, do not get me wrong, an enormous amount of grace. But preparation in terms of going through really hairy stuff. Surviving. Knowing the way out of the maze, and making sense of it all so when others get "hit" one can help them.

Maybe.

Or to at least have absolute confidence it is for the ultimate good, regardless of how dire the situation gets.
 
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Tell you what. Come to me when you meet someone who hasn't struggled with any of these points.

Thanks for the other words.

As for that, though, what I have included above - are you 18? I do not think that is at all normal for an 18 year old to have gone through.

When I was 18 - I am in my early forties now - I was very much seeking and had lived an unusual life, but I typically went from trying one belief after another.

At that time, though I went from one belief to another, which were strange, there was very little "nothing is as it seems".

Everything was perfectly as it seemed.


Now... everything is as it seems, but there remains a far stronger sense of unreality. Then... unreality was reality and the norm, even if beliefs or perceptions changed. It was much more free flowing art.
 
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It sounds like you've been through a lot and so you've got a lot to process. Don't forget that you don't have to do that in your own strength.

"Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.” (Matthew 11:28-30)
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Yes, thanks. Thankfully, in the tail end. I was enabled to have massive processing time last Spring, and since then a huge slow down.

I do get enormous support.

I felt a lot of support today even before I came back to read the responses.

Guess some prayers went up. :-0 :) :)
 
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I might be able to help you with this. I myself have never had what could commonly be thought of as a 'supernatural' event in my life. Though I made a distinct decision to be less cynical after my Lord knocked me upside the head with His grace.

Very smile inducing post, thanks. :)

On this... were you cynical? How did you take reports of "the supernatural"?

What made you change your mind?


And yes - good and bad have experienced such things - I am often reminded of that. In fact, I want "bad" to experience a lot more, so their views on God or knowledge of God can be expanded.

For me the process ended up at the end being full of cracks as in a levee. Though I had a lot of experience and faith, I can say just blandly, God blinded me for a long period and presented it to me in the way a skeptic might view things. Slowly those cracks opened further and further until my materialistic explanations became increasingly absurd to the point that the dam broke. And it broke hard.

Along the way God went along with the cracks the materialistic explanations. Offering false proof for them. It was absurd. I am not saying angels lied to me, but they told me what I could hear when I could hear it. And by making the proofs increasingly ludicrous....


By far and wide, I am normally running fine, and actually now out of the tail end of a lot of hairy stuff... just have been able to put my finger on a number of the common problems.
 
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Could you describe some type of supernatural event you have dealt with/ and or dealing with?
Whatever the case maybe.


I think I did this best in the first two or three responses. I am sorry I did not realize this would be a common question, though I did realize if asked would be difficult to fairly answer.

It is the gestalt of it all, more then anything. This stuff was not given in a way which was designed to be repeatably useful in terms of me throwing a fish out, rather I was taught how to fish.

Only, that metaphor doesn't exactly apply here, as I don't actually catch fish at all. Just it was more training and process work then "here is a specific thing to go and tell people".


Even to give a range... of small or large would be unfair or difficult... because much of the small stuff is actually very big because it is persistent and exotic.

If you catch me mentioning something specific because it comes up, I do not mind explaining.

I do not seem to be able to escape the caginess...


I am not assuming it is even foreign to anyone here, even as bizarre as much of the stuff gets.

So, not sure what that is about. Maybe just ingrained.
 
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I went through the different religions from 13ish-15ish. I went through every "religion" including atheism, and finally landed on Christianity. So I think I'm where you are. Having the regenerated mind, and dying to tell everyone about this Love, but always wondering if I'm doing the right thing.
 
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It's hard to know what the point of your post is when you won't share details, sorry.

Are you saying you're a closet Christian?


I do not think there is such a thing as a "closet" Christian, because a true Christian is in a spiritual state and always in Christ which anyone naturally queries by their own spirit.


Or are you saying that you've seen a ghost?

As far as I know, a ghost is one thing I have never seen.

I suppose one could say I am a pretty strong person well seasoned by experience in many experiences of matters like "having seen a ghost".

I have seen people who have died in the flesh, but I am pretty sure that was a similitude created of them for various rhetorical points.

They were in the flesh, though. Which probably is far more traumatic then if it was a mere spectral creature.

I have seen and dealt with a lot of angels, but typically through a format of the flesh where they normally keep to that format. Like how we use cell phones.

Actually, mostly, through the spirit communication, just seeing them "out there" is far more strange. To have someone you have talked with for years [in the spirit] appear in the flesh and prove who they are. Is pretty weird.

As I am not aware of even if ghosts do exist, not sure how to compare. Angels are far more powerful, so far more scary, though typically I have to interact with them as though they are who they are in disguise.

For instance, in my story from a book about angels, a man helped an old woman with a broken down flat. And she said to him at the end of that, "I know who you are!"

I would go, instead, "Thanks bud".

With my first such (conscious) experience many years ago with a very powerful angel that way only vaguely in disguise, I found it difficult to talk very often or act normally.


I honestly cannot figure out from what you've posted what your thread is about because it's too vague.


I do not think the post is for everyone.

I had at least one poster go, "Who does not think all of those things at some time". And he was only 18.

It is one of those things where, if you had the same sort of thoughts, you would recognize it.

I do not think there is any specific thing I could put my finger on, "I need help with this", so just posted a lot of the things I go through routinely. Not all the time. But routinely.

PS Who is John Galt? Pretty sure he's a character out of an Ayn Rand book.


It is a character in Atlas Shrugged and also a rhetorical statement given in it many times.

I had just finished the Fountainhead movie that week, and was struck by it, not economically, nor politically... but if one considers the main architect in the book to be someone whose building was his own self.

Continuing that to Atlas Shrugged, the concept would be "who is John Galt" as in speaking of a strike of spirituality, as opposed to commerce, where people who are spiritual are finding they go to various churches and are asked to amend what they believe and know to be true without reasoning.
 
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I went through the different religions from 13ish-15ish. I went through every "religion" including atheism, and finally landed on Christianity. So I think I'm where you are. Having the regenerated mind, and dying to tell everyone about this Love, but always wondering if I'm doing the right thing.

Well, you are 18, I was not where I was when I was 18. It is not better or worse, per se, but in terms of identity struggles... most people do grow out of that. [I have not entirely.]

I probably put myself in the late teens mindset I had a lot. It is not unusual for me to be mistaken as 18, though I am in my early forties. Another very weird thing, but at least in a good way.

I am not actually capable of doubting the testimony of Jesus very much at all, at best, I can only approach it considering "what if", but those are always quickly ruled away. Unlike just about everything else.

I find, for me, the word is in effect. If I judge others too hastily, or misjudge them, I find the same standard used on my own self. I find if I exalt myself, I get put down, but if I humble myself, I get exalted.

So, I am constantly dealing with the truth of those verses, above all.


In my late teens, I was very prodigious, but generally in a very vague belief system. I did so badly feel like I had something inside which would be good for everyone to see, but that was tampered down by 18.

I normally did not talk about anything directly in terms of the supernatural. I normally did not talk about much at all. It was just one of those things you know not to talk about. It would come out in some of my statements, indirectly.

Though same way now. If someone presents their self as being someone who likes to talk about such things, I do so. If not, I do not do so.


In my early twenties, I had gone monk, read the bible, and saw a really severe thing which burned so bad inside I could not stop pacing for a very long time and could not put anything into meaningful speech at all.


I did stuff, like try and just start things Samson style, or go downtown and preach very loudly, heh :), without anyone else.


18, later teens, I was very preoccupied with girls, despite a weird belief system. Deep system.

Granted, it later turned out the girls I was preoccupied with were not exactly normal.
 
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