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Weird thing when Roose Bolton is the best father in the room
I think best would be Viserys?
He killed her mother for the dream of a son. The nomination of her as heir is a hollow gesture more towards his brother than his daughter imo
Her mother was going to die anyway. It was either try to save the baby or watch them both die. He sucks for not explaining this to Aemma, but if there's a chance to at least save the baby in that situation, it is what it is.
Or he doesn’t force another pregnancy on his wife whose had several miscarriages because he knows his daughter will make a fine heir..?
Viserys only fault (so far, I’m not a book reader so idk) is being weak and marrying you know who
That doesn’t make him a bad father, just a worse person
The fact that he didn't tell his daughter kinda is, especially the way he's been ignoring her.
But that is basically just normal human wrongdoings, not particularly bad things.
THE ROOSE IS LOOSE
Nah there’s no real point except Craster dead last. That guy was a whole other level
He did love his daughters. Or at least made love
Craster at least lived with his kids, had more contact than the others.
Craster only warmed his daughters' beds. Stannis, though...
too much contact
did he literally burn any daughter?
No - but he did something even worse to each and every one of his sons
Giving a kid to the Walkers is in no way worse than burning a kid alive.
He killed and sacrificed his sons so that he could rape all his daughters and thier daughters in peace- all the while the guy he's sacrificing them to is using them to raise an undead army to wage war against all of humanity.
Essentially, he sold out the world for the worst fuck hut imaginable.
Dude's a prick.
He literally killed his sons or left them out for monsters…
Corlys, no question.
Craster (the man in the bottom right) is infinitely worse than Corlys in every imaginable way. He sacrificed his sons to the white walkers and MARRIED HIS DAUGHTERS.
I meant Corlys as the best😭
Craster is definitely the worst, followed by Stannis (who is a complex character who clearly loved his daughter but who also had her killed so he doesn't get a pass)...the others could fall in any order and the best I would say is Viserys who loves his daughter and went against the realm and his family to name her his successor.
Stannis from the books would never have done that, it was just D/D trying to get rid of him on the show
Nah they said Stannis burning his daughter was one of the WTF moments that George alluded to. Just hasn’t happened yet in the books.
Shireen’s burning? Yes. Except the burners will be Melisandre (and probably Selyse). Stannis is too far away and has no interest in coming all the way back from Winterfell (where he is) to the Wall (where Shireen is). There are only two possibilities for Stannis to be envolved in Shireen’s burning:
Stannis sends a raven to the Wall before the Battle of Ice, commanding Melisandre to burn his daughter (doubt that)
Stannis burns Shireen after the Battle of Ice, to win more battles in the south (doubt that too)
Martin confirmed that it's Stannis' choice years ago.
https://screenrant.com/game-thrones-spoilers-books-martin-bran-hodor-stannis/
They were trying to get rid of him?
Martin himself has literally confirmed that Stannis burns Shireen. You guys are sooo fucking deluded sometimes, it's kinda hilarious.
https://screenrant.com/game-thrones-spoilers-books-martin-bran-hodor-stannis/
"It wasn't easy for me. I didn't want to give away my books. It's not easy to talk about the end of my books. Every character has a different end. I told them who would be on the Iron Throne, and I told them some big twists like Hodor and 'hold the door,' and Stannis's decision to burn his daughter. We didn't get to everybody by any means. Especially the minor characters, who may have very different endings."
I’m putting Randyll before Stannis. I don’t know if it’s a pass, but a sacrifice is different than launching a manhunt to exile your son to the wall. Stannis fought for his daughter’s life when everyone denied her cure.
Tywin after Viserys. Say what you will be he did a lot for the kiddos.
Depends on the kid, Tywin could even be considered a very good father (Jaime). Though his other kid he wished death…
He still saved Tyrion from death as a baby even though his advisors told him to kill him.
Only because he couldn't prove otherwise. Tywin was as far from a good father as you can get. He allowed his guards to rape Tyrion's wide in front of him. How can that be anything but pure evil?
Craster and stannis are the worst for me
How does Stannis rank above Tywin? He searched the entire world to find a cure for his daughter, when everyone told him to either kill her or exile her, and just have another kid.
It’s not like he burned her because he wanted to, he just couldn’t see any other option, and since he believed he was meant to save the world, sacrificing one person to do that makes sense.
You don’t kill your children Tywin is terrible father he didn’t burn them just because women told him so
He literally wanted to kill Tyrion and only spared him because his name is Lannister.
Besides, Stannis burned Shireen because he had no other choice. Either she dies and the army survives to win and goes on to fight the white walkers, or everyone dies there in the snow.
And it wasn’t “because some woman told him to”. It’s because they both saw a prophecy and believed he was the prince who was promised. And prophecies in game of thrones are pretty common and they tend to come true. I don’t know why people keep acting like prophecies in this universe are like crazy people telling random people on the street that they’re the reincarnation of Christ.
Craster is obviously the best...
I mean at least he’s right with the old gods
I’m going to have to go with the one that barely let his sons breathe life and then get taken by the white walkers. I forgot his name.
Craster that fuck
Tywin was actually nice. He was gonna make Tyrion in charge of the North, Cersei the power in the Reach, and Jamie as his heir at Casterly Rock. Had those three just liked each other they’d have been insanely powerful, but they were so needy they needed constant praise lmao
Trust me, Tywin did not do any of those things out of the kindness of his heart.
More like had those 3 not all been complete morons. They didn't need to like each other they just needed some level of competency
Book Tyrion was never a moron, Cersei 50/50 (worse with her every AFFC chapter) and Jaime just lacked that cunning.
Book Tyrion was a drunk whoremonger who knew that Varys and Littlefinger were plotting against his interests and did absolutely nothing about it
True enough about Littlefinger, as for Varys- he relied on the guy and then lacked the power to get rid of him. And good for him, if not for Varys Tyrion would never escape KL.
They were needy because their father was emotionally detached and they craved his attention and he withheld it.
That’s okay though! Some people don’t even have Dads! Just be quiet and follow Tywin’s lead and your family will rule the seven kingdoms and be safe!
Yeah totally nice when tywin ordered the gang rape of his son’s wife.
He also set up a farce of a trial against his own son.
Well, the hatred for Tyrion was Tywins biggest flaw
Tywin being such a shit father to his kids is literally like one of the pivotal factors that led to the overarching political conflicts and the outbreak of war in Westeros throughout the series and the ultimate destruction of his family and legacy and that’s kind of the whole point of his character is that if he had just been a better father to his kids he would have preserved the legacy he always wanted but go off I guess
Craster
Stannis (Show)
Randyll
Tywin
Ballon
Corlys
Otto
Viserys
Roose
Stannis (Book)
Viserys
Balon
Stannis (I refuse to believe the burning scene happened. That was astoundingly out of character)
Corlys (fuck me this list is hard)
Otto Hightower
Roose Bolton
Randal Tarly
Tywin
Craster (because duh.)
how did roose end up being the best father here
From worst to best
craster (it's effin craster)
Sam's dad (i hate him)
greyjoy (culty old bitch)
roose (good dad, without all the flaying)
stannis (my man)
tywin (meh kinda dad)
otto hightower (team Velaryon!!!!!)
corlys (sailor daddy)
viserys (I don't wanna commit treason)
Stannis Baratheon: He burned his daughter alive, that alone makes everyone else look like father of the year.
Craster: Does this one even need explaining?
Corlys Velaryon: He tried to pimp out his 12 year old daughter
Otto Hightower: He successfully pimped out his 15 year old daughter to a guy old enough to be her dad and doesn't care that she's self harming
Tywin Lannister: Was horribly abusive towards his youngest son and barely treated his older 2 children with any respect. He didn't even trust them to make their own decisions. His only redeeming quality was he wasn't delusional enough to deny Tyrion's intelligence.
Roose Bolton: Raped the mother of his son and constantly gaslights him. He still gave Ramsay more power than most bastards though.
Randyll Tarly: Was horrible to Sam but he seemed to do alright raising his other 2 kids and seems like a decent husband.
Viserys Targaryen: By Westeros standards he's a decent guy but he's kind of a dumbass. He's nice to his daughter and was progressive enough to temporarily name her heir but he also married her best friend and didn't think it would be an issue. She's underage but again it's bad by modern standards but by Westeros standards 15 isn't that bad in the same way marrying your cousin is seen as completely normal.
Baelon Greyjoy: Huge dick to Theon but not as abusive as Tywin and he believed in equality. He didn't force his daughter to get married and trusted her as a leader. He was also open to letting Theon back into the family in a high position but he fucked up and got himself abducted.
The show takes a lot of inspiration from *our* past, just saying.
I would rather my dad burn me than rape me repeatebaly and father my dozens of children, murder half of those children, then go on to rape the other half of my children, and impregnate those children once more. Oh, and also Im his slave for life.
Yeah and he makes you live where it’s really cold.
yes burning alive is much more better than this
Corlys didn't pimp out Laena. He just wanted to secure her family's position and future. Kids of that background are destined to marry someone by contract so why not have that be the king.
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Yeah but she wouldn’t have to sleep with him for another two years.
exactly. people lost all sense once they got offended. by this logic, Ned is worse dad than Tywin, Randyll and Baelon, since he did the same with Sansa
Ned pimped out his daughter to someone her own age, still odd but not the same as pimping her out to someone old enough to be her grandfather
Technically it's a difference of 15 years. The white hair doesn't translate and the actor looks older than he should. He's supposed to be under 30 not seemingly 40+.
I was surprised that the Valyrian son didn’t marry the Targaryen daughter
Spoiler alert That's what Viserys will do to mend things with Corlys. He'll set up a marriage for Rhaenera with Corlys's son.
honestly he is right. his daughter gonna be married off to some old dude anyways so why not the king himself who trusts him a lot and is nice towards her as well. this way she'll be securing her whole life
You know, I had a hard time here. Yes, Stannis killed his daughter but he didn’t essentially rape her, force her to carry his children, sacrifice her babies and then do it all over again.
If Shireen didn’t die the way she did, she probably would have either been murdered during the battle or skinned alive by Ramsey.
People die (anyway) all the time. But that's not an excuse to have your daughter burned alive. Jfc. That's the most painful way to go.
Pretty exactly this. Might swap 8 and 9 depending on how the next episode or 2 go.
Alicent is 9 years older than Rhaenyra, making her 24 in the show currently.
that’s in the books , they’ve obviously played with the ages a bit
So Stannis killing a daughter is worse than Craster killing all of his sons?
He didn’t kill them though.
He didn’t? He left them outside and gave them to the army of the dead. They were living, then we’re not. He’s an accessory at best
He sacrificed them to ice demons. Craster probably assumed they were being killed, and even though they weren’t being turned into white walkers might actually be worse.
His daughter-wives reveal to Sam that WW are Craster’s sons. If they knew, he must have known too.
Interesting I had Craster 1 and Stannis 2 but it’s hard to argue with your logic