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Beautiful! Sorry I can't be any help with valuation, but my eye just loves a flat-side 21. No pics showing off the wood? I can't tell if it's a pistol grip or straight grip?
Not a factory Winchester engraver. Otherwise would be worth more. Suggest you contact an auction house like Rock Island for an appraisal
Need to know the gauge, barrel length, bore and choke dimensions, stock dimensions and whether or not there is a letter on this gun in the Winchester archives. Well lit pics of the entire gun will also help. These things will all affect its worth. After market non factory embellishments can do anything from decreasing the value of a gun to adding a little extra value. Unless the engraving was done by a top tier internationally renowned engraver.
It’s a nice gun, but these can be difficult to price. Once you get the letter getting in touch with a dealer who specializes in 21s would be best. I know Steve Barnett Fine Guns sells a lot of them.
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Gino Cargnel ? He was trained in Liege and came to the US around the same time as Angelo Bee ( mid 70”s) if memory serves. He settled somewhere around LA.
Winchester collectors value authenticity over everything. Thats why there is such a determined effort to verify that a certain gun with unusual features or engraving originated at the factory. For most Winchesters, this is a futile effort, because records on many of the models were destroyed years ago. Fortunately, the Model 21 is an exception. The Cody Firearms museum has factory records on many of them and can provide you with a letter that documents what they have on file. Unless authenticity can be verified, Winchester collectors lose interest very quickly. Obviously, your gun was engraved by a non Winchester engraver, and while the engraving is beautiful, it simply won't appeal to most collectors for the reasons stated above. However there are obviously buyers of guns like yours, but determining a value is pretty much a stab in the dark. It is realistically what a buyer is willing to pay. It is pretty safe to say that it is worth more than a non engraved gun, but how much more? Thats why you need to get an opinion of a dealer or auctioneer who has sold similar guns in the past and knows what the market is.
Incidentally, Steve Barnett passed away a couple of years ago and I don't know who is running the shop these days, most likely a family member.
I don't particularly care for all that gold, but it is better engraving than that done at the Winchester factory after the last Ulrich left.
"Value ideas", "Any", Straight stock", "More than what?"
My idea is: there are too many people selling guns they know very little about - and there are too many people buying guns they know very little about........whichever the case may be, here.
Questions the OP might consider, relative to some really good points presented by others........
So are you looking for a 'value' from an objective standpoint or subjective? Have you a better "Value Idea" from the comments offered so far, or are you hoping someone will just throw an ambiguous number out there? ........in which case, speaks well of the responders who have not done so based on the information, objective and intent disclosed, thus far.
My idea is: there are too many people selling guns they know very little about - and there are too many people buying guns they know very little about........whichever the case may be, here.
Questions the OP might consider, relative to some really good points presented by others........
To the OP - Relatively speaking........'Means it's not worth as much as if it were engraved by a known factory Winchester engraver.
To the OP - does the engraving appeal to you? Would you assess the quality of any engraving based on an engraver's 'name' or would you let the art speak for itself? How many works of 'top tier internationally renowned engravers' are you familiar with? Do you consider Gino Cargnel in this category based on this example? The basic engraving details appear well-executed - but they ARE basic FN details. The inlays and scenes look like cake decorations by comparison with the more artistically advanced engravers. Inlay was apparently not Cargnel's forte (at the time this piece was engraved). It is also REALLY odd (to me) to see Belgian-style engraving details on an American classic. I think this is a detractor in itself (for whatever that's worth) - but I never underestimate the stupidity of the American buyer - and apparently neither did Cargnel and Bee.
To the OP - Do you agree with these comments? Do you think it is worth more than a non-engraved gun (factory or otherwise). Do you know a gun dealer or auctioneer you consider knowledgeable and honest-enough to trust his/her valuation?
To the OP - Do you understand this? Do you agree with it?
So are you looking for a 'value' from an objective standpoint or subjective? Have you a better "Value Idea" from the comments offered so far, or are you hoping someone will just throw an ambiguous number out there? ........in which case, speaks well of the responders who have not done so based on the information, objective and intent disclosed, thus far.
The owner of the gun has been given valid resources for determining the value of his gun. No values were offered because, apparently, none of us feel qualified, me included. I have an idea but it would be nothing more than a shot in the dark, and I am not going to throw it out here. The auction houses are still probably the best for appraisals because they see and sell so many unusual and one of a kind pieces.
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