r/DarkCrystal

Wow..... just..... wow.....

There should be a flogging for ending this show. It was a bit hard to get into at first, but after 2 episodes, I got into it. I read the myths comics before this, and the context of that I felt completely enriched the show. There's some philosophy stuff you might not catch without it. And the special affects are amazing. There's some moments where my brain goes ".... I'm just watching fuzzy, but gory", but I just chalk that up to being raised with puppets as a kids art form (even the original dark crystal and labyrinth when you think about it). But the horror i felt from this..... my god the horrors from this. The scene where the seladon goes to try and make good on the skeksis, only for the emperor to say "no" and all of them laugh at her was actually horrifying for me. there were scarier moments than that, but I never had a movie scare work on me the way that one did. Really feels like a self made hell.

My one criticism I have of the show is.... it's pretty heavy on melodrama? Not that it's necessarily bad, and it worked on my heartstrings the way it was intended, but I could tell it was there, and I know people who wouldn't appreciate it. That being said, I can't really tell right now if this is even a flaw or not for me.

All things considered, I think it's the second best show I've watched on Netflix. Right behind arcane, right in front of midnight mass. It had no right being cancelled. In fact, I don't see why they push for this show more in marketing. I didn't even know it came out when it originally did. I do hope they get picked up again, some way, some how. Or at least some comics. So of anyone knows if Jim henson studios is still pushing for this, I'd really like to know :)

I read somewhere that these comics are pretty bad relating to the main material, so im wondering what's the overall quality of them. I'm also considering getting fully into the reading material for dark crystal, so if anyone knows any other dark crystal material that should be less of a focus, please let me know.

I've read throughout here that creations myth is a must read, so let it be known I already read them :)

I have always wondered what if the gelfling won the garthim war would what would have happened if the war went the gelfling way? Or what could have been different in the aftermath i don’t know but what do you guys think would have happened ?

Newby on the forum here. Been extracting lots of great info from past posts, such as "Canon of the Dark Crystal Guide" ().

From this link I was able to get:

Creation Myths (comic)

• Shadows of the Dark Crystal (book)

• Song of the Dark Crystal (book)

• Tides of the Dark Crystal (book)

• Flames of the Dark Crystal (book)

• Age of Resistance series (tv)

• Original Film (film)

• Power of the Dark Crystal (comic)

• Beneath the Dark Crystal (comic)

*Legends of the Dark Crystal no longer canon

Not really sure about the last item regarding "Legends" because I read conflicting posts here. Please let me know your current beliefs if you think "Legends" is canon. From what I read on this forum, it seems like it is. I was hoping I would not interpret it that way because that will be 2 more books I'll need to get on my limited budget.

************MAIN QUESTION************

I ordered the Dark Crystal novelization book by A.C.H. Smith. I realize this is basically like the original film, but from what I researched, it contains some things that are not in the film (not much though from what I gather). Anyway, since I'll be getting the book, do you recommend I read it BEFORE or AFTER watching the original film? And why? I've seen the movie maybe over 2 decades ago, so luckily I have forgotten a lot about it. Please no spoilers with responses. I've been trying to stay away from reading posts and online information that might spoil my future reading/re-watching of the 2 films. I watched AOR in 2019 and have also forgotten a good amount of it (thankfully). Thank you in advance for any and all your feedback.

Hups story in the age of resistance is truly an underdog story from becoming a cook to trying to become the first podling paladin hups story dosent get the credit it desveres. What describes hup is a warrior, a fighter, and a hard worker. hup dosent get the credit like Rian brea and deet does but Hup is probably one of the greatest characters in the season unfortunately though he never really interacted with Rian or brea that much except for when Rian calls him friend when hup is trying to recover but that’s it. I think hup is probably the best character besides Rian and he is deflntly one of the most hardest working. Let me know what you think

Just wanted to talk about this as it recently sprung in my mind.

So in the show and other cannon material it’s often mentioned the Skeksis “reigned for a 1000 trine” and I honestly could never really grasp that number. I mean the US and the UK haven’t even existed that long if you put it in that context!

I wanted to talk about it because I feel for me it puts the gelfling’s action into perspective waaaaaay more. The thing that was holding me up, for example, was about Gurjin’s hesitation to go into the catacombs. In the moment I was like “dude, there’s a flesh eating spider down there I don’t think they’ll care if that’s the reason you’re going down,” but then it hit me how truly and utterly the gelfling were indoctrinated and how much the hesitance showed it.

Just prior to that scene we saw him singing about how if you’re loyal to the Skeksis, you get rewards. I don’t think it truly sunk in how intertwined both cultures were. Often we think of the Skeksis as these aliens to Thra, but undoubtedly through the alliance and subsequent takeover they left a big mark on the Gelfling population.

Now, obviously this isn’t some huge revelation, anyone who watched the first episode could tell you that. I just think some in the fandom tend to overlook that when talking about the Gelfling and their actions. Of course that isn’t to justify bad actions, but just to say that I didn’t realize things like Tolyn warning of the guard’s revolt or Seladon’s spiral to madness as much as I thought I did.

I mean 1000 years ago we were in the ages of knights and kings. Knowing that, it’s not as hard for me to see why the gelfling were so dedicated and willing to defend their lords especially after they had the crystal. Even down to minuet things like Rian being convinced by SkekSil to go back with him and not flee, or Gurjin’s trepidation to going into the catacombs when it’d probably be fine. But the Skeksis said no, so if he wants good things to come to his clan, that means no.

I was wondering what you guys sort of thought of the Skeksis control? Like anyone have any real opinions on this? I could be stating the obvious but I feel in the fandom a few characters get flake for falling into the trap of trusting the Skeksis even when it’s reasonable to do so/any normal person in that situation probably would.

You realize that Stephen Garlick play the boy in the movie Scrooge, Which One with Alec Guinness(because George Lucas said that Obi-Wan Kenobi Is Space Marley and even Mickey Mouse's Christmas Carol and Return of Jedi were release in 1983 while Fox and Hound was release in 1981), twenty-two years before Muppets Christmas Carol and eight years before he play Jen in Dark Crystal

I was wondering who you guys thought the best gelfling clan was. I personably think it is the stonewood clan but who do you guys think?

Not active in the community or anything, and just rewatching the Netflix show and wondering what's next? I know it wasn't renewed, the props were sold, and Boom! Got I think merchandizing rights? But any rumours about how they're finishing the Age of Resistance? I recall soon after the Netflix show cancelling that the Jim Henson company claimed they weren't done with the story yet.

First, Jen mentioned his parents Rian and Deet saying That the Skeksis(including SkekSil) killed them when he talks with Ursu, and then while Jen was dreamfasting with Kira, we see Brea for the First Time that She hidden Kira in the tree before She gets killed by Garthim in the end of Age of Resistance. Then we see too SkekSo dying, because Rian and Deet banish the Darkening. Rian and Deet are truely responsable to kill SkekSo because their love Always wins and Brea too was responsable to helped them, because Brea, Kira and their Vapra Clan are true Heroes and we know that Vapra Clan Is the leader of Gelfling Clans Just as we watched Anakin Skywalker in Star Wars the Clone Wars because he Is the true Hero that he made for the persons that he loves them, including Ahsoka Tano his formerly Padawan, Ezra Bridger, his Children Luke and Leia, Bad Batch, his droids R2-D2 and C-3PO and the Rebellion. In Rebels too, Kanan Jarrus mentioned the Bad Batch for the First Time in Rebels season two while Sabine Wren mentioned Tech and Qi'ra while She was fighting Arihnda Pryce and meeting Wedge Antilles in Rebels season three... You see? In the presence reveals the events rappresantion the Plot Twist

If you were with me now I'd find myself in you If you were with me now Your the only one who knew All the things we planned to do … I want to live my life The way you said I would With courage as my light Fighting for what's right Like you made me believe I could … And I will fly on my father's wings To places I have never been There is so much I've never seen And I can feel his heartbeat still And I will do great things On my father's wings

As we all know season 2 of aor wasn’t released. and it leaves many question marks about what happened to the big three (Rian,Deet,Brea) while I am not sure about the other two I think I believe I know the future for Rian so let me explain. In season 1 deet he a vision that shows Rian trying to put the shard in the crystal well here is what happens. Deet is infected with the darkening at the end of season 1 and she isn’t herself so Rian is the one trying to stop it . not only that but he also wants to end the skeksis so what happens is that Rian makes a mad dash for the castle when the garthim leave for the garthim war. he has the shard from the duel glaive used in the second battle of stone in the wood beliving it was the right shard. In The castle he sees deet and tells her he is going to do two things that is to get the darkening out of her and to end the skeksis and with that Rian jumps on the crystal of truth and attempts it he yells as he is about to put the shard in the crystal. But two things weren’t right it was a fake shard and it wasn’t the great conjunction so nothing happens except that it throws Rian off the crystal and he gets up but then a skeksis stabs him ultimately leading to his death. It was a good way for Rian to go out as trying to be a hero but ultimately his actions costed him and it costed the rest of the gelfling because before the garthim war the gelflings are wondering where their general is and it causes confusion l. Therefore ther is no general for the war it would be the cruelest blow for the gelfling and with out Rian the garthim proved to be to much for the gelfling killing them all. It was a terrible way for the gelfling to die. but 1000 trine later there would be a gelfling named Jen who would be the chosen one and he restored thra. Let me know what you think will happen to Rian in the comment Section this is just my idea but maybe someone else has a different theorie

Obviously spoilers for the TV show lol (that’s in most of my posts anyway XD).

I’m gonna throw my hat into the ring and say in my opinion the next gelfling to die (or who would’ve been the earliest) I think is Gurjin. I love him, his character is great and he’s an awesome best friend archetype, but unless they were going to make him Kira’s Dad (which honestly I see more as Kylan), I feel he was next on the chopping block.

One thing I love about the show is how unexpected it was with character deaths. Of course there were those we saw coming (Tolyn, the guard, etc.) but I really was not expecting Mayrin or Ordon prior to their last scenes (which still low key salty about but whatever). Tavra and Fara’s death also stood out to me as very unexpected, especially after Fara supported Seladon and looked like she was going to be a new motherly figure in her life. I was even invested into Mira to a certain extent before she got drained (so much so I didn’t watch the next couple episodes till weeks/months after). The show almost felt like how people describe game of thrones at times with how many cool and interesting characters it killed off.

I point out Gurjin because 1. Fan favorite (rightfully), 2. Not Kira’s Dad imo, 3. Close friend to Rian (when watching the show with others they always say being close to Rian is like stepping on a bunch of landmines lol or literally guarantees death), 4. Big blow to Naia (hasn’t lost anyone close yet unlike the main gang and she’s gonna lead Drenchen someday), 5. Heart of the team (without him and Deet, even if Kylan picked up the slack it’d be a huge blow to the resistance and morale).

Now, I wouldn’t want him to die, I’m just saying if the story continues I see him as a likely candidate and I could also give more reasons. But, if I had to put gelfling/Skeksis casualty on a list from the show, I’d say,

Gurjin, Juni, librarian, Skekli, Bobb’N, Lath’N, one eye guard, freckles, Laesid, Bellanji, Mera, SkekSa, Rek’yr, Cadia, Seethi, Onica, Argot, Ethri, Hup, SkekMal, then remaining leaders tell their clans to scatter and hide all with various levels of success, small resistance is still there of Kira/Jen’s parents and Seladon and Naia but eventually six are captured and drained after hiding Jen/Kira.

That’s my take anyway if anyone thinks the order of death would be different or they’d do it differently I’m open to it so let me know.