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I really feel bad that he turns and alcoholic and homeless. I feel they did it out of fun, obviously, but still. Would you not have preferred a different ending for Cartman?
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It's not like Cartman dying bitter and alone is something new within the show.
Kenny pointed it out in his god damn will in the episode were he gifts Cartman his PSP. He only gifted it to Cartman out of pity because he knew that Cartman was an awful person unable to truly connect with other people and that he would die bitter and alone.
I’m amazed by all these people who have somehow missed every in-your-face piece of evidence that Cartman is a piece of shit. It’s like they’re high off their own inferiority complex farts.
Media literacy was taken behind the shed and beaten to death years ago in favour of headcanons and other such bullshit. You can now have creators beat people over the head with the point that they are trying to make and people will still find ways to misinterpret it because they have never been taught to truly analyse any media that they consume.
Just look at the Game of Thrones books. The author hammers in throughout the story that Tywin Lannister is a piece of shit, including having his corpse stink so bad that people are actively puking during his funeral (not to mention having him killed on the toilet after getting caught fucking a prostitute). George Martin went all in on pointing out that he is narcissistic cruel hypocrite and there are still people that don't get it.
At risk of sounding like Sheila Broflovski I think that we are shooting ourselves in the foot by not having kids read more in school and actually do proper book reports.
This is a weird argument. I mean you’re not wrong.. it’s just…. Weird to to bring up game of thrones without mentioning all the….
🎶Weiner Weiner Weiner 🎶.
You really think I have pity on Carman because I believe he’s a good guy?
Your reply indicates an abysmal level of reading comprehension and adds significant weight to what u/LoudKingCrow said.
Yeah of course, but that was under the assumption that Cartman wouldn’t change. In post covid he really did change and love his family.
If it turned out he was faking it the whole time, the homeless Cartman ending would’ve been fucking hilarious. Knowing he actually changed and became a better person is what makes it sad.
Nah, fuck Cartman lmao. I love him as a character because he’s the funniest on the show but I’ll never feel bad for him
Totally. You're the only one.
Ill put it like this.
The Cartman we should feel bad for is Rabbi Cartman. He was willing to give everything up for the Good Future, even if his own life was ruined in the process.
We should not feel bad for Main Timeline Cartman though. He continued to be a selfish ass and fucked up his own life.
That's the whole point. They're one and the same. They're both still Cartman. The whole idea, for me was, that even a fucked up guy like Cartman could have turned good in other circumstances.
Mhm true! You’re right about that. The difference though, is that one was willing to change his path and gain a good life while the other stayed on the same sadistic path until it bit him in the ass. We can feel bad for the former but its hard to feel bad for the latter
It's also worth pointing out that the timeline where Cartman is willing and able to turn things around and live a happy life, is the one where literally everyone else is in various stages of miserable.
Cartman is literally only a good person in the bad timeline.
Yeah, the shittiest person in the show is the one who thrives in a world of misery, kind of a red flag for the timeline.
Yeah, this exactly.
Nope, he deserved it.
It's justice for all the evil things he's done
I mean you have to cut him some slack, his own daughter told him she want to exist if it meant he could be happy, and literally came from being happily married with 3 kids to being homeless.
i used to feel bad for him in the end of 2021, but after city people, streaming wars and dickinbaus’ hotdogs, yeah he’s going downhill soon
Looking back on it. Scott Tennorman must die is South Park's answer to jumping the shark. After that episode it became very hard to ignore that Cartman deep down is a vindictive narcissistic sociopath.
If there is one episode that Matt and Trey has any sort of regret over I wouldn't be surprised if it is that one.
Yes. He’s a horrible person and deserves anything that comes to him.
look, i think it's normal for ppl to feel pity, because even though Cartman is a piece of shit, we end up getting some sympathy for him after watching more than 20 seasons with him being one of the main ones, however i do think it was deserved lol
like, I'm not gonna lie, I thought it was really cute to see him with his wife and kids, bc I could see that he genuinely loved his family, but that means that Rabbi Cartman had really changed, yet Eric from the new timeline just continued to be the same shitty person he always was. he would only end up like that if he didn't change as a person, so it's totally his fault too
Just caught up on these eps, and was thinking about it too. Honestly, I feel ya some. The circumstances of the Post-Covid episodes do make that final fate feel unfair in the moment, even as a joke, but I think it actually kind of hits the heart this time purely because this appeared to be one of the extremely few possible futures where Eric actually does have anything resembling a real redemption. It seems that meeting Yentle and becoming a rabbi and family man really did turn him around to some degree, and it was coming back to South Park and having to rip open old wounds with his former friends that made him lapse back into being an asshole. And even then his main motivation in betraying the others was the very real possibility that his loving family would be wiped out.
Now, he could still be a manipulative piece of shit as an adult, and his wife and family just don't see it, but if we take Yentle at her word, and his actions with people who aren't Kyle (or when he's being a traitor) he seemed to have actually become halfway decent, and in the end, he sacrifices his happy future to save a man he genuinely hates. And that, the "good Eric", is the one who gets screwed out of existing, and that's what feels like a mean twist.
Now, in the greater context of the show, yeah, given what an actual monster Eric is, pure karma dictates he should rightfully get fucked in the end, so probably for most, seeing this outcome (which has happened to him before, time travel putting him in a worse place after he screws himself with his bad actions) ultimately feels like what he deserves, especially when you consider that in the other future, Eric's happiness occurred in contrast to Kyle and Stan's shitty lives, so seeing it get flipped and the "good boys" get the happy ending, I think more people are probably grooving on that.
It would have been nice to have it all work out in the end. Kyle and Stan get better lives, Kenny lives, Eric still becomes a better person. But alas. Can't have things turn out too well, I guess.
Yup, I feel that Rabbi Carmen becoming manipulative again with time travailing and all that is just a foreshadowing of him getting back to old Cartman. Because he's very life was threatened, yet even so, in the end good prevails, because he sacrifices all this. The whole point being the duality of human nature.
Cartman is anti-semitic, yet does that really define him? No, in the right circumstances, he'd be a rabbi and even loving it! Heck! He was more Jewish as a convert than Kyle as a native.
As much hate as I'm going to get, in the end, Cartman is only superficially a bad person, and most of his defects are just satire for common human mistakes.
But he's not a villain, or anti-hero. He's just.... Cartman
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Lol. Have you seen the episode where he feeds Scott tenorman his own parents?
On one hand I felt he deserved while on the other hand I really feel bad for him. But clearly, Randy is the problem as he started the pandemic. I just felt Randy being dead is a better future. And to this end Randy deserves to be killed off.
My theory is that at the end, Kyle's wife is Cartman's wife in the other universe
Probably, the children hint at this.
Don’t feel bad for him. If you turned out that way he’d just jump over you on a skateboard
Feel sorry for Cartman? In the words of Kenny “ I’m siick of this Bull****. Screw you guys I’m going home 🤣🤣🤣 ( reappropriated)
You're not the only one, Cartman's mom dropped the ball hard. She wasn't prepared to be a parent, And because she wasn't ready, she raised a sociopath through negligence.The dog whisperer episode proved that. Too many people think it's easy to raise children. But if we're honest, most of the children in south park would end up being fucked up adults, Not just cartman.
I don't even consider those specials cannon, aside from cartman being jewish and pissing off Kyle it was unfunny and stupid.
It’s definitley sad and hard to watch but like Cartman deserves it
Absolutely! He left the group, was able to turn his life around, and became a good person with a family he loved. Then he sacrificed it all for the greater good and lost big time.
Totally! Even if during him being rabbi, he was still manipulative, the thing is, that’s who Eric Cartman is, but he none the less genuinely made a sacrifice. I think some people love to hate Cartman, which is totally not the point of the character