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FIRST Official /r/smashbros Ultimate Tier List: Results!

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FIRST Official /r/smashbros Ultimate Tier List: Results!

This tier list is a number of things. As stated in the title of this post, this tier list is r/smashbros' first voted Smash Ultimate tier list. That also makes this Smash Ultimate tier list the earliest ever community voted tier list for the game, as all of the voting occurred within a week of the game being released (although some people may or may not have been playing it for longer than that...). Since voting took place so soon after release and r/smashbros has been growing at an exponential rate, this tier list has also by far seen the most votes on any tier list in r/smashbros history, receiving exactly 14,320 votes!

Though it is pretty large, we should keep in mind that this tier list will likely not be very accurate. The meta is still very young and the level of experience that each voter has with Smash is varied, so it is near impossible to construct an accurate tier list at this time. This tier list thread is simply meant to be a way to spark discussion about the game, bringing the community together in the process.


Without Further Ado...

Notes:

  • On the voting form, voters had the option of placing each character in top, high, mid, low, or bottom tier. Each of these tiers was assigned a point value; for example, voting a character into top tier gave them 5 points, while voting a character into bottom tier gave them a single point. The final score of each character was determined by dividing their total amount of points by the amount of votes they received (most voters did not for every character!).

  • With the exception of most echo fighters, characters were ranked from highest to lowest score. The majority of voters believed that Daisy, Dark Pit, Dark Samus, Ken, and Lucina should be ranked with their echo counterparts; as a result, the final score of both these echo fighters and their counterparts was the average of both character's scores. The character with the higher individual score was given the higher spot on the tier list.

  • The final tier that each character fell into was determined by two factors. The general tier of each character (top, high, mid, low) was determined by how close each character's final score was to each tier value; for example, King Dedede ended with a final score of 2.349 points, which is closest to low tier's value of 2 points. The specific tier of each character (+, -, and neutral tiers) was determined by the size of the point gaps between each character; for example, the point gap between King Dedede and Mii Swordfighter was large enough to create a tier gap between the two characters, while the point gap between Mii Gunner and King Dedede was not as notable.

  • Gag votes were not considered on the tier list. A gag vote is defined as any vote that mostly contains two or less tiers (typically Top and Bottom Tier). These votes are designed to intentionally boost or harm the placing of one character or a select few characters. Please do not submit these votes; it took a few extra hours to prepare the tier list because of the 100+ gag votes that had to be manually removed from the data and calculations.

  • Pikachu is an exception to the guidelines written above. Though Pikachu ended up in top tier, its final score (4.499 points) is closer to the point value of high tier (4 points) than top tier (5 points). Pikachu was put into top tier because its final score is barely lower than what would be required to reach top tier and the gap between Pikachu and Inkling is far and away the greatest point gap on the list (over twice as large as the second greatest point gap, which is between Pac-Man and Bowser Jr).


After ranking each character, voters were given the option to answer a few questions regarding stages! Over 2,000 voters answered these questions. Unfortunately, due to the poor setup of both questions and the varying level of competitive experience held by each voter, it was impossible to gather any solid data from the first two questions, which asked voters which stages they would like to see as starters and/or counterpicks in a competitive setting. If you'd be interested in seeing conclusive results from a poll solely focused on stages, I'd suggest taking a look at /u/FlameCannon's Voted Stage Lists Thread.

Though no conclusive results were able to be gleaned from the first two questions, the last question, which asked each voter for their favorite stage, had usable data.

r/smashbros' Top 10 Favorite Stages:
  1. Fountain of Dreams

  2. Final Destination

  3. Battlefield

  4. Pokémon Stadium

  5. Smashville

  6. WarioWare, Inc.

  7. Temple

  8. Dracula's Castle

  9. Dreamland 64

  10. Yoshi's Story



That's a wrap! Thank you all for being patient; between school, the holidays, the large amount of votes, and changing around the tier list methodology to fit a new game, this list took much longer than what I expected (and promised a few people). In the future, these tier lists will come out much sooner after voting is concluded.

On the topic of the future; look out for new tier list threads every month! Just like with Smash 4 for the first 3 years of it's life, Smash Ultimate will have a monthly tier list series, with a new tier list voting thread being posted each month. Tournament results from each month will be listed in each of these tier list threads. Hopefully 2019 is an exciting year for competitive Smash!

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Wario (Ultimate)
669 points · 1 year ago · edited 1 year ago

Interesting to look at, but predictably a really really awful tier list. Though some of it is because of the long gap between voting and release of this list. Everyone in the community has had massive opinion changes on characters in the first few days of release compared to today.

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Luigi is still top 10, right?
600 points · 1 year ago

I feel like the meta has evolved so much since this was voted on. Mii swordfighter has some crazy new kill confirms off of tornado but he’s ranked bottom 5, for example. (I know a kill confirm doesn’t make or break a character but it still shows that if people knew about this a few weeks ago he would have been placed much higher)

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Wario (Ultimate)
282 points · 1 year ago

alotta Smash 4 carryover

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You're amazing, Charizard!
131 points · 1 year ago

Also Palutena

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ᴘᴇᴡ~
34 points · 1 year ago

I heard he was good and greatly improved, even back when the voting was open

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Sans (Ultimate)
42 points · 1 year ago

I knew about it 2 days into the game when I got shrekd online by one and I was scramming to warn everybody as fast as I could. Definitely still underrated

level 2
11 points · 1 year ago

Made my first Sword fighter and I'm not a pro or anything but I really enjoyed playing him. Definately tiered very low on this list.

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KAMPFSTIEFEL!!!!
287 points · 1 year ago

Oh god this is terrible

level 2
84 points · 1 year ago

Truly terrible. Excited to see how it changes. Also excited to see Pikachu safely land at the bottom of top tier over time, because he’s definitely not the best character in the game.

level 2
13 points · 1 year ago

Yeah, we are back to terrible reddit tier lists. I remember the last few smash 4 ones being pretty close to perfect.

level 1
356 points · 1 year ago

I thought this tier list was brand new until I saw how low Mii Swordfighter is

level 2
127 points · 1 year ago

Source

I watched zero on Twitch

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Dark Pit (Ultimate)
28 points · 1 year ago

The strait disrespect given to the true King DeDeDe.. Is this how it feels to be T R I G G E R E D!!!! This list is a joke.

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Roy (our boy)
176 points · 1 year ago

!RemindMe 1 year

level 2
11 points · 1 year ago

No need. This list sucks rn

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