Eventhubs' tier list system sounds like a great idea at first. Where anyone can vote based on matchups at any time. The only problem is, there is a ton of bias.
I remember for weeks Wario and Kirby were the two at the bottom of the list. Let that sink in for a moment. This is because if someone doesn't like that character, they can create multiple accounts to vote against them. People could also vote based on one match where a player played that character poorly.
For a while, and this was in January I think, Megaman was #4 on the list. Wanna know why? Some big TO (can't remember who for the life of me) told everyone on his stream and his twitter to upvote the "super fighting robot" on Eventhubs' tier list. This led to confusion among many.
This tier list is also not official, as there are no real tier lists for Smash 4 yet.
We all have seen these types of threads on this sub and Smashboards asking "why is this character considered low tier?" And they would say that they were referring to the EH tier list.
Please, never use this list, just let it die out.
tl;dr, Eventhubs' smash 4 tier list is horrible because of bias and false info. Never use it.
Being the first result on Google search doesn't help either.
Gives new people to the community the wrong impression.
This kinda makes me want to do some sort of gigantic thing where we all vote charizard up to #1. It would be incredibly hilarious.
edit: Charizard has surpassed Fox! Things are looking up for our red dragon."
Edit 2: He has surpassed diddy kong! Charizard for top tier!
Edit 3: They... They undid all our hard work... those monsters.
Nah we need to do this for mii sword fighter. That way all the scrubs will riot about how miis are banned from FG and nintendo will add them.
mii swords fighter isn't on the eventhubs tier list :/
So these dumbasses missing a whole 3 characters and its the most popular tier list? Thats when you know you're dealing with dumbasses. Ok folks vote for charizard
Yeah, it's a terrible list, thats for sure. It's really sad when someone is arguing for or against a character and brings up eventhubs.
let's all vote for pacman
Banned so hard that they are banned from the tier list
> Charizard becomes #1 on eventhubs
> everyone starts playing Charizard
> Charizard meta evolves
> Charizard actually becomes #1
Rock Smash takes a huge shit on Mii Brawler's Onslaught.
Rock Smash takes a shit on damn near everything. #rocksmash4ever
I just played a 4 stock against a lvl 9 RosaLuma. I two stocked her with 144%. Isn't Charizard supposed to be bad? He fucking rocks! Easily my back up with Puff. My main remains the King, though, but Charizard is one tough son of a bitch.
That's why I tell people to ignore the tier lists for the most part. You can win as pretty much anyone I'm convinced, as long as you're good enough.
Shhhhh no one needs to know that.
See, now this is for a good cause. How's that poor lizard going to see the top of the tier list otherwise?
well I guess Nintendo could use that nifty patch system and try to make him better, but I'm doubtful
inb4 sakurai sees charizard on top of that tierlist and nerfs him
You mean like last patch where they randomly nerfed Flare Blitz? (I am thankful for the buffs tho sakurai, keep it up please)
I did my part
I was going too, but then they required an account, and... no.
I'm genuinely thinking of writing a bot for this exact purpose.
Making accounts to get Charizard to the top.
I'd feel so scummy though, but then again, it's EventHubs.
If you know how to do it, go for it.
Except don't do Charizard. oh no. Do Ganondorf. Please. For me.
You're right, Ganondorf deserves the spot way more.
What have you done, Charizard just went up 10 places on the tier list, this is beautiful.
Keep at it
CharizardTopTier
Holy crap, really??? Wow, that's incredible.
Charizard! Charizard! Charizard!
but charizard isn't that bad tho
Who is worse than him? I know he's not terrible or unusable, but it seems like his specials and jab are his only real good moves.
uptilt dude. pretty much instant, potentially kills, and his wings dont even have hurtboxes
But the hitboxes are pretty terrible. They're anti-air only, so as long as you approach Charizard on the ground his only option is jab.
this
in a favorable position maybe charizard is only kinda shitty but getting into a favorable position is actually impossible when your character has no options in neutral. against a player who doesnt make mistakes, which is most top players, charizard is literally walk into your own death a lot
Nair is p good for peeps on the ground not named yoshi.
His down-tilt is quick has decent range, but you have to remember that a "quick" move from Charizard might just be good enough to be average. Rock Smash could be an option too, since it can beat any attack, but it loses to a grab easily.
Ganondorf. I know people have a hard on for ganon, but he is the worst character in smash 4. Customs off anyways
But he is not
evidence.zip?
I think Wii Fit Trainer is worse at least. I can also take a crap on most Marths and Lucinas along with Shiek by my experience. The only thing Charizard has to mainly look out for is projectiles.
Up Smash is nearly instant, down smash covers a stupid amount of ground, he has insanely good vertical AND horizontal recovery for such a heavy character. He improves dramatically with customs, and if played to punish, can easily deal 30-40 damage a la Gandondorf as a result. Also approach? Neutral air > Jab 1 > Jab 2 > Rock Smash/Fly is a decent combo with very little risk due to the super armor those moves have, and usually nets 31-40% damage. Charizard is also in possession of one of the most stupidly powerful and easy to use meteor smashes in the game in the form of his down air. You can kill anybody with a less than stellar recovery at remarkably low percents.
I have a hard time believing this guy is lowest on the tier list to be honest, I hear this a lot, play him a lot, and even though I'm far from a top competitive player, it's clear to me there are definitely worse characters out there. WFT and Zelda for me feel just terrible, with Lucina just feeling like a Marth with zero upside. I don't know, I'm not exactly here to convince anybody, but I just read how bad everyone thinks the Zard is on every thread somehow, and I want to make sure people are playing him instead of just parroting what others say.
Well Smash4 is very balanced so Charizard isn't bad, the other characters are just better than him.
Hell yeah, someone gets it. Charizard is the fucking bomb. Except he's more of a grenade.
A really heavy grenade that's really hard to throw very far that seems to take forever to explode.
A rock?
Which can instantly combust?
every single time when someone says something about a characters placement on a tier list someone has to object to it for some reason. i know charizard is not that bad. He usually makes it to the bottom of tier lists though. But it would still be pretty funny to vote him to number one.
They undid it, yet my votes for Charizard are still there... those monsters indeed.
Uh... I don't think anyone trusts eventscrubs around here.
Wasn't there just a thread today talking about why duck hunt was so low? He was going off the eventhubs list.
That is literally why I made this thread.
Hello why is shiek considerd bad??? she has a really good side b
You know, there may have been. It's gotten to the point where I tune out seeing anything character-specific with SSB4 flair, because 99% of the time it's "Anyone know any good Shulk tech???"
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press b to speak use the chinese taunt speech bubbles
Wait, is this a real thing? Or did you just make it up?
Monado cancelling is your friend.
"Hi, how do I counter spammers? Thanks in advance."
You'd be surprised by the number of people who cite it, but yeah most people are smart enough to know it sucks. At least in the FGC
AKUMA IS A WEAK CHARACTER!?!?
T. Hawk sleeper top tier
this was from a quote taken out of context of daigo umehara.
back in the days (2010 or so) it was a good site.... back in the days
it used to be a good site around 2010. then they went downhill when they started to talk about thing not related to sf. then they simply started lurking shoryuken.com articles and forums. then they started to try to milk customers and so on (with something i belive was a subscription fee and a ton of intrusive ads). and the quality fell over and over. as of now i don't trust anything that is written on there.
The problem is that too many people do. Personally, I don't take any tier list too seriously. A character could be bottom tier forever, then one guy does well as the character in a tournament and suddenly these tier lists start putting the character in the upper tiers. I just play a bit of everyone every once in a while to see if any character feels right for me. There are very few characters in this game I would say are completely not worth anyone's time.
This kid came up to me at school before the Mewtwo patch and said "Why are you feeding everyone false information? Diddy isn't top tier!". He then pulled up Eventhub on his phone...
What happened after ?
Actually that morning I was reading that Eventhubs was garbage but I didn't want to get my facts wrong so I walked away.
At least they use pretty pictures.
One time at lunch we were doing a four player free-for-all on 3DS and the kid next to me said "Top 5 on the tier list only." I said, "what tier list?" It turns out it was the eventhubs tier list, and since he was the host he could pretty much kick me out if I did't comply.
Actually, I screencap the list on the first of every month for records. I'm not sure why I do it any more.
Why would someone say top tiers only? That's not even something that a casual would say. It would make sense to allow lower characters too because they wouldn't give an unfair advantage. I'm not doubting you that he said that, but that's dumb
Also so when he loses he can make up a john "Well of course you won, you're using that dude".
He's only practised against those five characters.
And he probably hates losing to "gimmicks"
He also said bottom five characters only in a later match. I'm not sure why he did it, I didn't like it.
Sees Diddy Kong 15th, Luigi 21st and Duck Hunt 39th
lolwut
It's like LoL. Strength is measured by the ability of a just above scrub level player to use the character to stomp a scrub. Luigi is completely worthless in scrub v scrub. The scrub meta is all about meaty attacks with high knockback and projectile spam because scrubs don't block, grab, or punish end lag.
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"Well umm Little Mac sucks cause back throw = ded lel and olimar sucks cuz they took all his pikmin!!!!! and wario just sux" I don't really know how good Mac is, but Olimar and Wario are definitly high tier material. Ppl on eventhubs are weird.
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you'd think people would realize he isn't top 10 anymore right? right now he's 10th.
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More like "LOL I LOVE MEWTWO HE CAN'T BE BAD HE'S GOD TIER!!!!"
more like : what I like is what is good.
Well that's actually good... It just may not be top tier
Wow, bias in a vote based tier list ? No way !!!
No tier lists are official. The ones that are respected are just as unofficial as the random ones that no one cares about. In fact, the ones that people care about are built out of voting systems too, they just limit voting to a handful of apparently knowledgeable people.
Is it the same as calling Smogon tiers official?
The MBR stuff was pretty official just because of the raw amount of top players that were involved with that.
There's no such thing as official. Some are respected and considered to be accurate, but they're all just as unofficial as the others. You can't call something "official" just because a lot of people like it.
Unless Nintendo puts it out, it's not official.
Lol, Nintendo put out a tier list on the brawl strategy guide. I believe Marth was number one, Dorf was two, and Meta knight was mid-low.
That was Prima, so not official
also yeah it was hilarious
it would kinda be "official" but even then most people would probably disagree with it lol.
Oh, I'm not saying it would be accurate. It would definitely be off. But if Nintendo says it, it is official, no matter the accuracy.
i think someone said that during one day lucina was number 1 there. man i wish
It's melee Marth guys!! He's back!!!
if only.....
Lucina is higher than Marth on eventhubs. Let that sink in.
I voted for every single Charizard's matchup be Zard=10 Opponent=0, and holy crap, he's at 23rd place now. KEEP GOING.
Preaching to the choir here.
Personally, I feel like a weighted matchup chart would be the best method for deciding a tier list. However, Eventhub's matchups are too often inaccurate to actually make a meaningful ranking. It'll probably get better if an official, wiki-worthy tier list is made (Melee and Brawl's lists follow the established lists somewhat well), but it won't be blazing the trail itself.
mewtwo is rank 11 and donkey kong is 46. yup.. its 100% legit boys.
If you want a laugh, look how low Luigi is on that tier list
Title should end after "eventhubs". Site is pure garbage.
Recently I have stopped really caring about tier lists, especially eventhubs (Wario bottom teir seriously???) I honestly don't care anymore. Zelda is top teir now. The sky's the limit when you don't give a shit.
I just took a look over at the site, wtf is Robin doing at 17?
Who is Eventhubs?
eventhubs is a pretty cool guy eh makes tier list and not afraid of anything
He's related to TAS
"...What the hell did you just say?! That didn't make any sense."
A website
Lol @ Little Mac considered the worst character in the game by EventHubs. He may be easily gimpable, but his frame-data is insane!