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DJ’s who chose to obscure your identity, how/why did you do it, how did it go for you, and would you recommend it?

Been making music for a while but want to finally release and perform live. Being around the scene, I’ve noticed an uncomfortable number of ‘dj’s’ that give 0 fucks about the craft and only care about the lifestyle and making sure their socials make them look as cool as possible.

I know it’s a tale as old as time and will always be a part of the industry/culture, but, for those of us that just love music and the craft and don’t need substances to find joy in sharing music you love with others, how did you differentiate yourself?

To me, hiding my identity makes it more believable that I’m in it for the music and I don’t need to worry about always maintaining appearances/looking cool for instagram. Also I feel like so much of the discourse around music revolves around identity politics these days which to me (queer POC) still feels backwards. Music is one of the most powerful tools of unity we have as a species - it’s a truly universal language! Yet it feels like we often use it as a means of exclusion and ego/status.

It’s one of the things I’ve always admired most about daft punk (I know their faces are out there but to most people who were unfamiliar with their faces but loved their music, daft punk could have been anyone) and other similar artists, although in recent times, it’s turned into a bit of a gimmick. What are y’all’s thoughts on this?

But also wearing a mask every time sounds like it would quickly become annoying as F U C K so maybe that trumps all the sentimental bs above lol

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Being low profile and letting the music do the talking is totally chill, however I’m so over the whole mask thing. It’s definitely became a gimmick, if I pick a random tearout / riddim DJ from my local scene there’s like a 50/50 chance they wear a mask on stage and it’s soooooooo corny.

u/MrStealYoBichonFrise avatar

Masks to me look like a marketing strategy at this point. I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing, but it doesn't project that you're in it for the music to me.

u/he553 avatar

So true. We’ve been joking around that at this point every newcomer in a mask that blows up is 100% an industry plant lol

Yea. I feel like these stylistic masks are definitely like that. But what if it was just like a black balaclava or something like that

u/ryan2thev avatar

like Malaa?

like Malaa?

LIKE ME FOOLemote:free_emotes_pack:wink

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u/MrStealYoBichonFrise avatar

That would be more muted, but it still doesn't seem like its about the music due to the trend. I'd get a feeling that it's more about the music if the person came in wearing the most basic clothes and just concentrated on the decks. I can respect that some people are just very shy or they don't have a positive self image, so wearing a mask or something like that can help, but it'll still give off the trendy vibe to most people.

fair enough. I'm a t-shirt and jeans dude myself but no one really wants to give aspiring DJ's a shot these days unless they 'look' the part because it's all about how people perceive you and how many people you can get into a club. Yea you might be amazing technically, but the culture is just too focused on aesthetics these days. I'm not the most attractive person ever but I do take care of myself and try and dress nicely but it feels like you have to do the most if you're trying to create a brand for yourself. I hate it.

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u/EverybodyShitsNFT avatar

But then you’d be ripping off DJ Stingray 313 & those are big shoes to fill.

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I usually agree, however I think Satin Jackets' mask directly projects that he's in it for the music.

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I mean, Im 45 and look like I like to bake cakes in the kitchen with an apron on, am on the PTA, and that I like to craft things. To be fair, all of those things are true, but I also grew up in Brooklyn NY in the 90s and love to spin hiphop and I also produce beats so sometimes. When I play live, people are more shocked that Im playing what I play at first and they often try to take pics or video me. I dont love it, but I know its part of the deal. I dont OBSCURE my identity, but I do like to be out of the way where I am not the main focus. Also I do have alternate producer names from my DJ name so that people dont know Im a woman at first- but that is just personal preference. Those that DO know me know those names, but I try not to have QUEEN or MISS or LADY or any of that in my name when I do beat battles.

Your DJ name should totally be 'Queen Miss Lady'

Omgggg 😩😩

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I love this lmao - keep it up!!

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u/shingaladaz avatar

Went by my real name and was confused with another DJ. Got called a tosser when a fan of theirs turned up expecting the other guy. Funny thing is that the famous guy doesn’t play with his actual name. It would be like Maceo Plex playing as Eric Estornel or Claude VonStroke playing as Barclay Crenshaw.

Barclay Crenshaw bruh I’m cryin HAHAHA 😂

That’s his real name though! 😂 I actually dig that work more than i do the Claude Von Stroke stuff

Oh shit I never knew that! That’s wild lmao

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he does perform under barclay crenshaw tho?

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I knew someone would pick up on that. I actually put “…well, that’s not a good example given recent developments”, but deleted it. I just had to use Barclay Crenshaw as an example purely for the name 😂

Yeah, he now makes music as BC.

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u/Slow-Painting-8112 avatar

Every time Deadmau5 makes one of his inflammatory statements in the media, I think, this is coming from a guy who's famous for wearing a mouse helmet.

u/El_Loco_911 avatar

Mouse rhymes with house, I just blew your mind

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u/GeneticSynthesis avatar

You trying so hard to not seem like you care about clout is in itself another form of clout chasing. Just dj dude

Bruh you’re right but it’s a conversation I have to have bc it’s an intrinsic part to booking gigs these days - if I could ignore it, I would.

u/Own_Illustrator9989 avatar

It’s not though, and looking at peoples socials and instantly thinking they’re clout chasers and in it for the “lifestyle” more then the music makes you sound worse.

Play the game, be friendly and approachable, give time to everyone and don’t judge on image, like you’re basically asking to be done right now.

Respectfully, I agree with you in theory and it’s entirely possible that your experience is different than mine but I have been working on this for over 8 years and know many of the people I’m claiming judgment on exceptionally well at a personal level.

Believe it or not, the combination of drugs, emotional immaturity, social media, and general lack of financial stability for full time local dj’s can turn even some of the nicest people into raging narcissists that perpetuate toxicity in these communities - and I get it.

Just to be absolutely clear, there are so many wonderful music communities that abstain from this toxicity for sure and I’ve been choosing to put my energy towards them but I’m not going to sit here and act like the culture I’m describing is some passive and indirect observations I’ve just made off of some instagram posts. It’s like that in real life too for sure. I’d love to better understand your perspective if you disagree.

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Do whatever the fuck you want. Everybody's got a damn opinion

Hiding your identity like it is something worth hiding. Screams gimmick to me. Being a genuine person with a real passion for music is what i want to see as a dancer and as a peer. I want genuine people and genuine music and real connections.

Attention for poc or queer artists does not take away opportunities for other artists, it just adds to the community.

Yea - honestly fair take. Maybe I won’t do it then. This makes sense to me and I didn’t think of it like this before

In light of the Grimes fiasco.. and my personal feelings and great hopes.. I think we could be looking at a real backlash on this phoney celibridJ and, cynical, lazy bookings in favor of real-deal just normal ass people who also happen to be ripping DJs or great aartists who have actually put in the blood sweat and tears to do the thing at the level that deserves to be celebrated and treated as the art form that it is, not a stupid joke / corpo-cash grab that it currently is.. Maybe wishful thinking but yeah, 2024 - mask seems super hack-ey to me.

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u/Wumpus-Hunter avatar

I don’t obscure my identity per se, but I do use a DJ name that is not my legal name. Not because I want to be cool, but because there’s a folk musician from the hippy era that I share a name with. I wanted people to be able to find me, not that person.

u/Loveblisstan avatar

But Joni Mitchell would have been a sick DJ name…

u/Wumpus-Hunter avatar

Or some sort of swap of letters like the kids are doing now. Like: Deely Stan or Tames Jaylor

u/Loveblisstan avatar

Moni Jitchell it is then…

Jommy Lee Tones

u/Tvoja_Manka avatar

thought that died 10 years ago

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You’re already a nobody though.

Comment Imageidk my mom says otherwise

But you're right - that being said, I do love music and used to work in the festival production space - so I've seen probably 1000+ live sets across a ton of genres. So I at least have the experience, but maybe not the clout,

u/DJDoubleBuns avatar

We are all Kenough!

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I wear a mask as a way to escape whatever is happening in my life and to make the brand less about a singular person and more about the world that I’ve built and music/atmosphere surrounding it.

u/zoning_out_ avatar

I like DJs wearing costumes/masks as long as their craft is good, but I always wonder how bad it is in terms of vision, temperature and also... isn't a bit claustrophobic and uncomfortable to DJ with a mask on?

It depends on the type of mask/helmet and how it was made honestly.

u/zoning_out_ avatar

Can you show me some examples?

Uncomfortable/bad vision: GEN.KLOUD, DEATHPACT, S!CKICK, Discovery era Daft Punk

Comfortable/good vision: Deadmau5 (not factoring in weight), marshmello, KLOUD (Techno era), myself (half mask iteration(s))

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u/ryanjovian avatar

Makes it easier for my DJ day job to digest I’m working elsewhere.

Look up Underground Resistance if you aren't already familiar. They used simple bandana masks to obscure their faces in the early days for this very reason; it was all about the music and the message. People knew who they were and it's not like you can't see who is who behind a bandana but it gets the message across what your listeners are supposed to focus on without being overly gimmicky, hot, uncomfortable, etc. (Tbf tho I think in the end they dropped it and Mad Mike might have said in an interview that it became gimmicky so there's that.)

I appreciate the recommendation - I’ll check them out!

Prepare for a deep dive ... true legends of Detroit techno!

Yooo I just watched that trailer that Roland put out for the documentary on them. It looks so sick. Im excited to see what they’ve got cooking now

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When I started DJing in clubs at 21 there was one I worked that was very boujee in ways. Like less of a “come let loose and dance” place more of a “I’M OUTSIDE EVERYBODY NOTICE IM OUTSIDE 😝” place. I would give my all in the mix, each time doing three hour sets with journeys in sound and every time I was there people I don’t know would try to crowd the booth and shit to seem more poppin or whatever. I got annoyed by taking my craft seriously only to be noticed for my appearance, specifically I began feeling uncomfortable with drunk gals coming to the booth only to compliment how I look and to stand next to the dj with requests. So when I started hosting my own events I would mask to remind all parties involved this shit is about the music fr, not just for play and looking cool but about separation of all life outside of the pumping beats and four walls that build our house at the current time.

u/DJDoubleBuns avatar

Do both. Be awesome, be loud. If you want your face out there, do that. Here's a thought .. green screen your head literally out. I'd follow a headless DJ 😆 Just do whatever the fuck you want. All the grief that say John Summit gets for "staging" his media shit... That's the industry and he's making bank. His productions are good, let him fuck around with awkward extras on bleachers if he wants lol. Fuck it. Just don't cause harm and you're likely good

u/Bohica55 avatar

I’m 45. DJ for 15 years. I’m basically retired last year so I just focus on music and art now. Not caring about the money and just being passionate about your craft is proving to go a long way for me. I really stepped up my game last year and have been booked so much this year because of it. I use my last name as my DJ/Producer name so no anonymity for me. I’m not famous by any means but if things keep going this way, I’ll probably start booking around the country. I don’t mind my name out there, but I’m not trying to be an attention whore. I just wanna play music for people.

u/violet-doggo-2019 avatar

I think the way you differentiate yourself is the actual content you publish on your social media, marketing, and website. Minimal photos of you djing, spinning, in the booth, or you dancing. Focus more on photos/videos that demonstrate the vibe you create, the people you draw, and the dancing they do. You make your DJ brand the things around you, not “you” yourself. That’s how you avoid being viewed a clout chaser. Yes, you still become a brand in the process, but that’s fine.

I like this perspective a lot

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I’ve concealed my identity and keep a low profile for a number of reasons.. mainly because I come from a time when playing in a corner closet was the norm and the dance floor was a place for the people to party, not just stare at the Dj.. I also prefer to not be recognized and noticed in public, when I was at the height of my career folks would come up to me on the streets in nyc all the time, and that always freaked me out.. I prefer to control who knows me and why.. I’ve also done so to get around contractural arrangements..

Personal opinion from someone very new to DJing, so take it with a big grain of salt.

Wearing a mask is not sending the message you are hoping to send, it's a gimmick and it still centers the DJ as a focal point of an event. In no way does it change that energy, if anything it makes it more obvious and glaring.

What I prefer, where possible, is to go the old school route of having myself set up somewhere away from the center of attention. I've even sometimes played from the bar, with my back to the venue for most of the evening. Encourage people to connect with the music and each other, not the DJ, that's the magic.

Fair enough bro

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u/djpressed avatar

No one gives a shit

I really appreciate the feedback. Your absolute and unquestionable mastery of the Afrohouse genre (especially as a uniquely pasty white manchild from Austin, Texas) is both exceptionally inoffensive, culturally sensitive and informed, and reaches a tier of appropriate irony that inspires us all. I’m so glad you’ve managed to create such great banter off of one horrible ass song and look forward to see how you can out-do your undeniably ironic, hilarious, and trash production in the future.

Cheers,

  • a new fan that had some time today

holy shit. I had to go look to see why you were taking the piss out of this guy and I just had to hit add to cart at the end of the 3 minutes. Hilarious ridiculous and kinda bomb.

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🙏

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I take it back, you give a shit

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If I ever decide to wear glasses or a mask, it’s because I don’t want to get caught staring at the decks like Comment Image. Glasses looks much coolerComment Image

u/ncreo avatar

Personally, I think masks these days are a bit cheesy and if anything lean more into the whole social media / gimmick / lifestyle side.

Unless you are independently famous outside of music, 99% of people don't really care what you look like, nor will they remember.

You don't have to "look cool" for instagram. Most underground music (house, techno, etc.) DJs I know wear pretty basic clothes - black top and jeans or something like that... and sure posting on socials is pretty important these days but most focus on pictures from their shows... often showing the crowd, or video clips showing the music - not like vanity shots of themselves.

why do you so badly need a gimmick for people to believe that you’re in it for the music? you do that through djing. if you want to wear a mask you should, but your reasoning seems flawed

I don’t feel like I need a mask - I’m just saying that all things equal, if someone doesn’t ’look’ the part, it can be counted against them.

Take one of my favorite producers and personal heroes Atsuo.

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Look how charming and joyful Atsuo looks 😊. He is radiating positivity and happiness in this photo. I am smitten by his bright aura. That being said, I would not have immediately pegged him as a professional dj/producer….

…Which would be VERY incorrect of me because, as it turns out, Atsuo is an absolute M A N I A C on the Korg and regularly travels the world to play shows. This should be enough proof positive that just playing good music is enough right?

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Hear me out - let’s take another example. Our favorite fuccboi, aka the guy we all love to hate (but also hate how much we love), aka THE Thicc Tech House Mountaineer….

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John Summit. Sure his surface level vibe is discernibly douchier than Atsuo’s but he’s such a cheeky rascal and oh so charming and the ladies (and twinks) love him (massive promoter green flag✅)so why tf would you hate on him? His music is clearly popular enough with enough people so it’s not like he’s not above the actual threshold to be legitimately considered for a gig (yes I understand having popular music != being a technically proficient dj). But I think it’s fair to say that Big Daddy Cummit (the ‘C’ is pronounced like an ‘S’ phonetically bc this is a Christian subreddit) is in contention for being one of the industry’s leading champions of ‘lifestyle first’. And that can be lucrative for dj’s as well!

Ok now imagine the following scenario -

Both of these guys have their following completely erased overnight - no one has heard of them and they are functionally starting their dj career from scratch trying to book their first gig.

You are a club/bar promoter/owner and your venue place both their genres of music regularly. They both have petitioned you to play on the same night and you can only pick one of them. Who are you picking and why? No one should give a shit what you look like because it’s always about the music. It shouldn’t matter whether you can even see the dj or not but my assertion is that unfortunately, that’s just not true in this day and age especially with how critical social media has become in getting off the ground. It feels like you need to be 20% dj and 80% influencer to get any traction these days and it’s no one’s fault in particular, it’s just part of life now that we’re all consuming media based on our algorithms.

I’m open to being wrong and any fresh perspectives on this may help me refine and reevaluate my on point of view, but this feels like an example that describes my observations about similar situations I see in real life quite frequently.

your reasoning doesn’t make sense.

you’re talking about algorithms and getting booked - atsuo is great. that’s why he amassed a pretty big following quickly and is suddenly getting booked consistently and will continue to grow. not wearing a mask or hiding anything. clearly in it for the music.

also people hate on john summit for what he represents but it’s a little unfair. guy has worked hard for years, plays tons of sets and has put out some great tracks. and he is successful because of this and because of other reasons outside of his control.

nobody is pretending that looks don’t matter or that height or personality or anything else we can’t control don’t have a huge impact on outcomes. that’s just life.

you’re projecting your judgements about atsuo and john summit onto some imaginary situation that isn’t real. they’re both successful doing their thing and that’s great.

you should wear a mask if there is an underlying reason for it and you think it will add to your sets. you shouldn’t do it because you’re scared of what people might think.

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u/ruxrux avatar

I used to loove the concept like 15 years ago. In theory, anonymous DJ's are cool to me. In reality, it usually comes off as gimmicky and cheap unless you're already a big name. A DJ wearing a mask at a local venue for a crowd of 50 people is just kinda weird to me. But if they're good, I don't care either way!

Unless youre already a well known producer 9in a different genre) I think its pretty silly, the whole mask thing. Idendity is a different ballgame, IMO though, and the concept of secret 'pseudonym's is one of the most wonderful things about underground dance music (dont know what youre into but thats my game) . I had been producing for a million years - since 2001 my first house vinyl release - and had kind of burned out for years.. I got back into things a few years ago, but Ive always loved a lot of different genres and wanted to try my hand at electro, so started doing just that under a totally different name. Its been really rewarding and fun to just have absoluetly zero expectations placed (not like im some huge name or anything but maybe a few people would see a release under my old name and expect it to sound like groovy deep tech house) so I just love the anonyminity and freedom to have this secret project that I can feel comfy doing whatver the fuck I please that suits the vibe and narrative of the pseudonym. Its helped me really grow as an artist and break free of some negative patterns and remind me that its al about just making good music that makes me (and hopefully a few others) happy.

As an audience i think it that costume/mask adds to the experience instead of just a dude in a t-shirt. Makes it more interesting visually. In the end unless you have very distinct look, it's just a guy with a beard in sunglasses.

I have had similar considerations in the past. While I don't yet perform, to me it seems interesting that people tend to correlate not hiding your identity with "maintaining appearances", which I don't think is necessarily the case. I think that it is perfectly reasonably for somebody to not hide their identity while still caring only about the music. You can show your face on stage and still not play pretend every time a camera or question shows up. You can have a name and still embrace the community as equals.

Of course there are other factors to consider. Is djing your primary income stream or will you be fine without worrying about conforming to expectations to secure your income? At the end of the day, I feel like wearing a mask/hiding your identity is in some ways less authentic, and I do not think that just because you present yourself completely that you must immediately become a sell out.

Don’t be a mask dj

Cheers Geoff

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