原问题是“西藏是否独立，还是中国的一部分？(Is Tibet part of China, or independent?)”，回答者名叫Mike Justin。
Tibet is currently part of China as a autonomous region, not just in name. Now, I know people are going to be screaming “Free Tibet” very soon so I’m gonna say this.
I support Tibetan independence as much as an American supports that Hawaii should be given back to the Polynesians or all of the US mainland should be given back to the Native Americans. Many people often complain about China incorporating Tibet but look at it, all the land that belongs to the United States is land taken from the original inhabitants, whom lived on it for many centuries before the white Americans took it by force. In fact, virtually all countries were built from conquest and no country on earth just magically started with there present day borders. If you say Tibet should be freed just because it was conquered, then you might as well say the same for the land other countries acquired through invasion. You might as well say only the Native Americans should govern America and everyone else should leave. You might as well say Hawaii should be free from American rule and become its own Polynesian country. There are Americans that question Tibet being part of China because Tibet wasn’t historically China but by that logic, they would also question the existence of America as a country. America historically wasn’t America, it was historically the homeland of the indigenous people.
Here’s a history lesson if no one knows the dark secret on how America acquired its present day borders.
Hawaii was inhabited by its indigenous Polynesians but one day, the white Americans showed up. The whites staged a coup to take Hawaii for themselves and overthrew the governing Polynesian monarchy. The US even sent in troops to help the Americans so it was an American invasion. The Polynesians surrendered control over their home island. Hawaii joined the US but the indigenous people had no say in it, it was the rich American landowners. In Hawaii today, there’s a sovereignty movement run by native Hawaiians and this movement has heavy resentments over the overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii, the US occupation, and US annexation with the consent of the Polynesians. To this day, while living under American control, the native Hawaiian communities in Hawaii are plagued by several problems including but not limited to homelessness, poverty, economic marginalization, an lack of native governance, and political self-determination. Now days, native Hawaiians are a extremely small minority group and thus they don’t have their voices heard that much in our society. That’s why you don’t hear about the situation of Hawaii as much as Tibet. If you think the Dalai Lama should reign over Tibet, do you think the descendants of the Hawaiian monarchy should reign over Hawaii again?
The European Americans, while conquering land from the Native Americans, slaughtered most of the native people and in the process their culture and language. The few remaining ones were forced to give up their way of life and adopt the white man’s culture by the Dawes Act. Today, the Native population adopted casinos, which have contributed to an even further loss of their original culture. In fact, since we’re here, let’s make some comparisons. America almost wiped out the Native population while China has far from wiped out the Tibetan population. China didn’t expel the entire Tibetan population from Tibet like America constantly did with kicking Indians off their land. Today, there’s barely any trace of the natives left in America while Tibet is still Tibetan, yet people call the situation of Tibet as “destruction”, even though China has never attempted anything even close to what the white Americans did.
Many people often describe life in China as pure communism, oppression, authoritarian, and poverty, but let me say this. It’s very lazy and misleading to call today’s China just communist. Since the end of the Mao era, the country has experienced numerous reforms for the better. It has allowed western ideologies and influences into the country, like capitalism and western businesses as well as opening to the western world. China as a whole has significantly reduced its poverty rate in the past three decades and its economy is growing fast to the point that today, China has the world’s second largest economy by nominal GDP and largest by purchasing power parity. Don’t compare China to North Korea or the Stalinist Soviet Union because it’s a very different country.
Many deluded fools say that Tibetans are facing oppression from the ruling Han Chinese and that China is trying to wipe out anything that’s Tibetan. Sounds a lot like western media. Some even go as far as saying that Tibetan monks are being tortured and Tibetan monasteries are being burned and looted. The fact of the matter is, minorities in China, Tibetans included, are prioritized with affirmative action, like a lower score requirement on the college entrance exam and not being taxed. When China was trying to control overpopulation, minorities were encouraged to have as many children as they want. Those special benefits are not even available to the Han Chinese and exist for better equality for minorities, promotion of territorial autonomy, and better equality for minority languages and cultures. Tibetans have citizenship to the same extent as a Han Chinese but they might have it better because of affirmative action.
Tibet still speaks Tibetan. In fact, the Tibetan language even has official status in Tibet and China allows for that. In the Tibetan streets, signs are bilingual, written in both Chinese and Tibetan. The Tibetan language is taught in schools built by China in Tibet as a mandatory curriculum.
China actually have kept and preserved the major symbols of Tibetan culture and history, most notably the Portala Palace, the Jokhang Temple, and Sera Monastery. In Tibet, there still exists many Tibetan style architecture.
Ethnic Tibetans can hold political power in China and there are several who do. The top positions in the Tibetan government, like the governor, are reserved only for ethnic Tibetans. For example, both the Chairman of the regional People's Congress and the Chairman of the Tibet Autonomous Region must be ethnic Tibetan by law. All governors of the Tibetan region have been ethnic Tibetans.
China has a policy called China Western Development which aims to economically improve its underdeveloped western regions, Tibet included. China have invested millions in Tibet for development, infrastructure, and better living standards. It’s only under China that the Tibetans’ homeland actually saw modernization. Tibet’s economy have also significantly grown. Qiangba Puncog who is ethnically Tibetan and former governor of Tibet admitted this himself. In the end, China actually gives plenty of opportunities and consideration towards the Tibetans people and their way of life.
Speaking of that, I know there are those out there who believe that the money China is putting in is to move Han Chinese into Tibet as a Chinese takeover, but that’s just racist non-sense. Back in the 1800s, when large groups of Catholic European Immigrants begun arriving in America, Nativists believed that the Pope was trying to take over and corrupt America by moving in large numbers of Catholics. If you know that was racist non-sense, then you should know that the Chinese takeover myth is also racist non-sense.
I know there’s a “Free Tibet” organization that’s in England, but those foolish British supporters of the organization probably forgot that their own country conquered and seduced half the globe at the height of the British Empire. In fact, if they really care about autonomy, then they would also protest in favor of Scottish Independence and giving Northern Ireland back to Ireland. Today, there is still the Irish Republican Army, which uses terrorism to demand the UK get out of Ireland. By the way, under British control, there was the Bengal Famine in India, Gulags for native Kenyans in Kenya, and the rounding up and torturing of Yemen nationalists in Yemen. Britain started the conflict between Hindus and Muslims in India, a significant problem still present today. Yet, the British seem to worry more about the business of other countries than the problems it left behind from its imperialist legacy.
Also, Tibet has actually been part of China centuries before the founding of the modern China and I’m talking about the Qing Dynasty. China already took Tibet several centuries ago from today and it remained part of China as late as 1912 when the Qing collapsed. It’s not that Tibet was always its own country until China came in 1950, which is when China re-incorporated Tibet. There are evidence that Tibet was part of China during the Ming Dynasty though this is heavily debated. But even then Tibet was already part of China. In comparison, Hawaii was taken roughly a century ago by America. Europe colonizing the globe during imperialism as late as the end of WW1. Today, the US, Britain, and France own several overseas territories as a legacy of imperialism. Britain conquered Scotland and Ireland several centuries back and today, Scotland and a piece of Ireland still belongs to Britain. Spain forcefully invaded the Basque Country also several centuries back and the Basque Country has yet to become a separate nation. Today’s Russia is the result of the Russian conquest of Siberia.
“Free Tibet” supporters call China and anyone who disagrees with them as liars. They claim that Chinese propaganda is used to justify keeping Tibet and China is hiring goons to write stuff in favor of them. However, calling one side a liar doesn’t mean the other side doesn’t lie. Do you think propaganda is unique to one country and that everything the west said is 100% honest? “Free Tibet” is often covered by western media. Western media is often what the rich desire the foolish public to believe. There are western politicians who say stuff in favor of “Free Tibet ” but since when are politicians 100% honest and never deceive people? It’s about persuading the public to support them and it’s pretty common for them to over-exaggerate and make up stuff to make their rivals look bad. That’s politics and media in a nutshell. Westerners say the Chinese are being brainwashed by the Chinese government when they themselves are being deceived every day by the media and politicians.
The negativity said about China over Tibet is really likely because of western bias against China and that the west is competing with China in today’s world over influence. What the west really wants is to weaken China and decrease its influence. This is noticeable when you see that most supporters of “Free Tibet” are westerners. The west says its okay for them to do something but antagonizes any country they hate for doing the exact same thing.
Tibetans who support the movement are often those who never been to China or are part of the very old generation. Whether most Tibetans in China want independence is up in the air.
Fingers are being pointed at China over Tibet but those who point those fingers forgot that their own country has done the very same thing they’re trying to blame China for, many of which weren't really that long ago. Yet, it’s like people only blame China. People justify conquests done by the west by saying the conquered people are treated “better” than the Tibetans, but the fact is, there were many atrocities that occurred to the colonized people in the western colonies.
Those who support Tibetan independence will say anything to make China look bad, either by making stuff up or way over-exaggerating, all of which couldn’t be farther from reality. Countries need to solve their own wrongs before sticking their noses in the affairs of other countries or it’s just “the pot calling the kettle black”. People make a huge deal about Tibet being conquered but since all countries acquired the land they own today as a result of conquest and that’s just a part of history but only China gets blamed, then the real issue isn’t of sovereignty but rather bias against China.