hi i'm back hiii i'm urpog i'm a grandmaster urgot for like 3 years now and urgot's been gaining popularity again because he's overpowered at the moment, several professional players have started playing or talking about urgot in general but have a very flawed perspective on what urgot actually is

369 played Urgot and didn't even bother toggling which is one of Urgot's core mechanics which show's he's picking Urgot due to his temporary strengths

Bwipo has always been an Urgot enjoyer and actually inhibits what it takes to be good at Urgot because he frequently talks to Urgot players to help foundation his opinion, Bwipo is easily the best Urgot, followed up by Kiin who is also an Urgot player at his core. I'm pointing out this to open your eye to the fact Urgot is an actual contender champion at the moment and why he's getting some priority around him; he's a bit broken atm and I'll extrapolate on that at the bottom of the post.

LS himself said Urgot hard counters rumble when the opposite is true:

A caster called "Emily Rand" was casting a game and said Urgot is great against Rumble as Urgot is a lane bully; this isn't true.

Urgot isn't a lane bully nor does Urgot counter rumble, infact Rumble is one of Urgot's hardest counters. Urgot is a mid game god who also happens to have a strong level 1 and 2 which makes people mistake him for being a lane bully; Urgot CAN lane bully but you won't see people in professional play locking something like Garen or Singed into Urgot where Urgot can continue to press advantages, even when gold accelerated Urgot struggles because at his core he's a scaling champion who spikes in mid game and then is great late game.

So, the reason people in professional play think Urgot is a certain way is because they're going off a 3 year old narrative which was the last time Urgot was prevalent and don't get me wrong, I don't blame them. Urgot literally hasn't surfaced so how would they know how he's changed? Urgot's identity is currently based around Fleet Footwork and it's the sole reason he's viable right now;

Urgot is currently overpowered due to how he interacts with fleet footwork as he has a unique animation with it where his w works towards energising, urgot's main issue is he has no sustain or mobility, fleet gives sustain and mobility so they nerfed his armor to hurt his reliability which was a good way of answering it, here's what it looks like vs what it should look like; (i'd attach it here but they don't allow more than 1 attachment on reddit for some reason, gg.)

Urgot's core used to be PTA - TP or PTA - Ignite but why would you ever run PTA - Ignite when it has more risks and scales worse? Defensive play in League of legends is absolutely the way to play correctly at the moment (especially to my displeasurement) so Urgot's identity has shifted. He isn't a lane bully, he's a broken scaling champion with relatively no weaknesses outside of ranged ADC's and control mages. Urgot fairs very well into the current proplay environment of toplane because a lot of toplaners are defaulting to picking melee champions which is what Urgot generically thrives against.

Urgot's old identity was a lane bully as he used to max Q and run arcane comet and would demolish you in lane, they slapped heavy mana nerfs onto his Q so now you only ever max W, even if you want Q for additional poke you put 3 points into it then pivot into maxing W, especially because of how good toggling is for Urgot as a whole. This is why the caster and professional play analysis don't understand how Urgot has changed, they look at old data and his old identity purely because he's made a recent resurgence

Here's a tierlist of what Urgot is good and bad against

Again, I'd post it here but they don't let me add more than one attachment, sorry about that

Side note; I don't blame Emily or LS for being incorrect, in fact I like that they are incorrect because they're paying attention to my abomination of a champion who has been dusted for several years, the fact he's getting any attention is great and I'm happy it's happening, please don't throw any insults their way, I'm a LS shill anyway

MSI 2024

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- PSG Talon qualify to the Bracket Stage!

- FlyQuest have been eliminated from the tournament.

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MATCH 1: FLY vs. PSG

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Fnatic 2-0 GAM Esports

Fnatic move on to the Bracket Stage!

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MATCH 1: FNC vs. GAM

MATCH 2: FNC vs. GAM

This thread was created by the Post-Match Team.

I know we all saw Massu's interview, but this is Bwipo's post match interview.

He discusses confidence issues after the T1 series, and overplaying without embracing small wins.

My car broke down yesterday, so I was a bit less bored, but I'm free again today. I'm going to try to translate those top comment from Hupu for MSI, I might skip some of them as they are Chinese internet memes that I've no idea how to translate, and those comment related to Honor of Kings, a popular league like mobile game made by Tencent.

The rating is user poll generated, you can give a rating between 2 and 10, and average is used. A total of 7.6k people participated in this series' rating.

Hupu rating is an in APP feature so it doesn't really have a link, but here is the post match thread for the match, and on the top there is an link you can click on that get you to that page.

MATCH 1: FLY vs. PSG

Fly Quest

PSG Talon

MATCH 2: FLY vs. PSG

Fly Quest

PSG Talon

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Gen.G vs FNC

TL vs TES

G2 vs T1

BLG vs PSG

Bracket

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I'm going to try to translate those top comment from Hupu for MSI, I might skip some of them as they are Chinese internet memes that I've no idea how to translate, and those comment related to Honor of Kings, a popular league like mobile game made by Tencent.

The rating is user poll generated, you can give a rating between 2 and 10, and average is used. A total of 12k people participated in this series' rating.

Hupu rating is an in APP feature so it doesn't really have a link, but here is the post match thread for the match, and on the top there is an link you can click on that get you to that page.

MATCH 1: FNC vs. GAM

Fnatic

GAM Esports

MATCH 2: FNC vs. GAM

Fnatic

GAM Esports

Is this a thing? Are they dancing in the middle of the lane?
I thought that all towers are losing health every second after a specific time

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A massive and mostly great patch with tons of changes but also a lot of really good changes.

Item changes are mostly fine and changed items are ok. Not great, not bad, just a bit more stiff in terms of slot options (locked to 1st/2nd or 3+)

• Buffs:

• Amumu: Does awesome in lower elos and is still ok in higher ones except for master+.

• Vex: Like Amumu she is also great in lower elos but she differs in that she isn’t as bad in higher elos. She also falls off but only a tiny bit. Here we might see nerfs in a few months, once people found out.

• Kennen: His buffs didn’t look that big, but these were massive. He performs fine in lower and really well in higher elos. I would say a pro play threat next split for sure.

• Sejuani: She does well in soloQ now. Likely OP in pro play but has to be seen how the scaling buffs actually impact her in lower gold income enviroments.

• Seraphine: She is better in support and bot, but in support mostly because people skill her wrong. Still nobody wants to play her bot. PR went from 0.3% to 0.5% only and the WR is around 53.5% which is fine for sure even for such a low PR. Nerfs:

• Nilah: For being so niche and low elo skewed she is likely a bit overnerfed but the direction towards more DPS is still nice.

• Master Yi: Overnerfed and Riot can likely revert 50% of the nerf to hit something slightly below 50% WR.

• Olaf: He is nearly unchanged in the jungle but weaker top. His R feels lackluster later on.

• ASol: I would say a tick overnerfed. The E nerf was likely not needed after the hitbox nerf.

• K’Sante: I would say dead now also in pro play.

• Size changes:

• Hitbox size: These changes were definitely felt by most champs but not all. Laners mostly feel it while junglers not so much. Briar only feels the nerf because her items were also nerfed. +-10 hitbox size is ~0.8-1% WR delta it seems.

• Clickbox size: This one is actually very interesting, too. If your champ got a ~+40-45 increased click size you are likely ~1% WR down in lower elos and ~0.7-0.0% down in higher ones. Examples for this are Garen, Jayce, Diana, Yone and then we have the outliner Yasuo. Garen for example lost ~1% WR overall but in higher elos 0%. His overall WR is now 50.8% and in Dia+ 50% which means he is only slightly low elo skewed. Same has nearly no elo skew anymore.

Buffs

0.4% BR

47.3% WR -> 50.9% WR | +3.6%

2.2% PR -> 3.7% PR | +64%

Games: 72,769

She does well in soloQ now. Likely OP in pro play but has to be seen how the scaling buffs actually impact her in lower gold income enviroments. For soloQ HP items do really well, so test out Heartsteel and other higher HP items on her. Next patch also Warmogs. Pls don't build Kaenic Rookern too early. It is a pretty weak 2nd slot item and most other MR items are better actually.

0.9% BR

48.7% WR -> 51.1% WR | +2.4%

1.1% PR -> 2.1% PR | +94%

Games: 42,002

One of the largest buffs this patch and a risky thing for pro play and high elo, but also something new for soloQ.

1.2% BR

49.9% WR -> 52.0% WR | +2.1%

2.8% PR -> 4.4% PR | +53%

Games: 85,593

Does awesome in lower elos and is still ok in higher ones except for master+. Liandrys is his best item. If you don't rush it, take it 2nd. As long as Liandrys is OP many of the AP tank junglers actually like it. Mao is not one of them as he has trash AP ratios these days. Conqueror is the right rune for him in most games. Aftershock is also ok.

5.9% BR

49.5% WR -> 50.9% WR | +1.4%

3.4% PR -> 5.0% PR | +46%

Games: 98,657

One of the larger lane buffs but with no impact after the laning phase as you get the E maxed 1st and the Q maxed 2nd and once you have the E maxed and Lost Chapter you don't really have mana problems. The buffs are actually better for top lane than mid, but they are enough to make mid ok.

0.8% BR

48.0% WR -> 49.7% WR | +1.7%

1.6% PR -> 1.8% PR | +10%

Games: 35,237

3.2% BR

51.0% WR -> 52.5% WR | +1.5%

3.0% PR -> 3.6% PR | +18%

Games: 70,512

22.5% BR

50.0% WR -> 51.4% WR | +1.3%

8.9% PR -> 9.3% PR | +4%

Games: 182,777

0.8% BR

49.8% WR -> 50.4% WR | +0.6%

3.3% PR -> 4.0% PR | +23%

Games: 79,585

She is better in support and bot, but in support mostly because people skill her wrong. Still nobody wants to play her bot, only support. PR went from 0.3% to 0.5% only and the WR is around 53.5% which is fine for sure even for such a low PR.

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Nerfs

5.1% BR

53.3% WR -> 50.0% WR | -3.4%

2.9% PR -> 2.1% PR | -28%

Games: 41,235

For being so niche and low elo skewed she is likely a bit overnerfed but the direction towards more DPS is still nice.

15.6% BR

50.9% WR -> 48.3% WR | -2.6%

8.3% PR -> 6.5% PR | -21%

Games: 128,683

Overnerfed and Riot can likely revert 50% of the nerf to hit something slightly below 50% WR. If -10 on the W is -3% WR nearly then +5 should be +1.5% WR back, which is around 49.5% then.

43.8% BR

jgl

53.0% WR -> 50.7% WR | -2.3%

6.4% PR -> 4.4% PR | -31%

Games: 86,983

A balanced jungler it seems. His WR incease per day is close to 0 now and his WR in lower elos is ok and he is strong in higher elos still. Jungle you want Heartsteel 1st.

top

50.6% WR -> 48.5% WR | -2.1%

5.4% PR -> 3.5% PR | -36%

Games: 68,394

He is a bit low in top but still playable with Grasp and Q or W max. Top you want more waveclear items 1st.sup

50.7% WR -> 49.8% WR | -1.0%

0.9% PR -> 0.6% PR | -33%

Games: 12,469

1.3% BR

52.1% WR -> 49.5% WR | -2.6%

1.5% PR -> 1.3% PR | -13%

Games: 26,114

2.2% BR

51.3% WR -> 49.5% WR | -1.9%

2.2% PR -> 1.8% PR | -21%

Games: 34,473

I would say Olaf top is meh for lower elo players except the most hardcore ones. But in higher elos he is still ok. So I would say mostly fine but not easy to play. Because I don't have him here, Olaf jungle is still bad, even worse than last patch. The problem is less the clear speed right now.

8.2% BR

51.6% WR -> 49.8% WR | -1.8%

7.6% PR -> 5.8% PR | -24%

Games: 113,746

I would say a tick overnerfed. The E nerf was likely not needed after the hitbox nerf. But right now I would just give him a super tiny buff of +0.5 HP reg for -0.05 HP reg per lvl nerf. Is slightly better for most of the game and when HP reg matters.

11.0% BR

bot

52.5% WR -> 50.8% WR | -1.7%

8.7% PR -> 6.4% PR | -27%

Games: 125,668

People slowly cought up to him being OP after a long time. He went up from ~4% to ~8% PR over the year and so Riot had to nerf him a bit. He is still fine and is still slightly high elo skewed. But I think the nerf could have been a tick smaller.

sup

44.7% WR -> 42.5% WR | -2.2%

0.7% PR -> 0.6% PR | -12%

Games: 11,876

2.0% BR

46.3% WR -> 44.4% WR | -1.8%

3.4% PR -> 3.5% PR | +4%

Games: 69,051

14.4% BR

51.8% WR -> 50.4% WR | -1.4%

5.0% PR -> 4.0% PR | -20%

Games: 78,781

12.2% BR

51.4% WR -> 50.2% WR | -1.3%

12.8% PR -> 11.1% PR | -13%

Games: 218,448

Ahri is nearly back to where she was before the Q buff. Right now you can take Malignance or Ludens, they look nearly equally good on her. Q>W>E or Q>E>W doesn't matter much either.

5.7% BR

51.2% WR -> 50.3% WR | -0.8%

3.9% PR -> 3.4% PR | -13%

Games: 66,967

Slight nerf, not too relevant. He still does fine. You can go ROA + Maligance + Seraphs easily and get a late tear (as it is only for your 3rd item).

3.9% BR

52.5% WR -> 51.9% WR | -0.6%

7.0% PR -> 5.8% PR | -17%

Games: 114,863

She looks weaker but she is still strong as long as you max E over W. Her WR is untouched if you max the E instead. It just changes her skill order from W max to E max and she is as OP as before, if not stronger.

6.8% BR

51.2% WR -> 50.7% WR | -0.5%

3.8% PR -> 3.3% PR | -15%

Games: 64,332

I know that champ gets nerfed and nerfed and nerfed, but she still does fine and is mostly balanced now with a slight edge towards being good. With the removal of LT her WR should go up a tiny bit (~0.3%) in lower elos because 10% pick it on her.

3.5% BR

51.0% WR -> 50.4% WR | -0.5%

3.7% PR -> 3.3% PR | -11%

Games: 64,547

Taliyah nerfs were on point. She is still fine in all elos and in jungle and mid and she is slightly less high elo skewed, at least in the jungle.

1.3% BR

52.1% WR -> 51.5% WR | -0.6%

3.4% PR -> 3.2% PR | -6%

Games: 63,337

Nothing to say about it. He is close to being a niche pick and his WR is good. He can stay there.

4.7% BR

48.3% WR -> 48.6% WR | +0.3%

1.6% PR -> 0.8% PR | -52%

Games: 15,691

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Buffs indirect

Nerfs indirect

New

Neutral

2.7% BR

51.1% WR -> 51.7% WR | +0.6%

5.7% PR -> 5.8% PR | +2%

Games: 114,894

4.5% BR

51.7% WR -> 52.2% WR | +0.5%

2.2% PR -> 2.3% PR | +4%

Games: 44,800

Great change direction for him. His R doesn't feel as useless anymore. Overall I would say he is OP now in soloQ, especially in higher elos where he reaches 53+% WR numbers.

4.7% BR

47.3% WR -> 47.6% WR | +0.4%

5.8% PR -> 6.3% PR | +8%

Games: 123,435

She is a bit of a tricky one. One problem is that people too often go Malignance as a support, which makes no sense as you do not need the mana and the R CD reduction isn't that great. The RQ is ok with it, but you want to use the RE mostly at that stage of the game. Just take Shurelias, Moonstone or Ardent 2nd. For being the most expensive item for her with 2.7k the WR is way too low. And 3rd you go for more support or Imperial or Horizon. Just stop that terrible build that 64% of Karma support players are doing right now.

6.6% BR

50.3% WR -> 50.7% WR | +0.4%

10.7% PR -> 10.6% PR | -1%

Games: 209,050

2.1% BR

jgl

51.3% WR -> 51.5% WR | +0.2%

4.0% PR -> 3.8% PR | -5%

Games: 74,870

top

51.4% WR -> 51.5% WR | +0.0%

1.5% PR -> 1.4% PR | -8%

Games: 27,256

19.6% BR

51.7% WR -> 51.6% WR | -0.0%

25.7% PR -> 24.8% PR | -3%

Games: 488,630

This was also pretty much a placebo nerf. Nobody uses that ult on CD, especially early on. If it was 100/80/60 sec it would actually nerf her.

4.3% BR

49.0% WR -> 48.9% WR | -0.1%

5.0% PR -> 4.7% PR | -7%

Games: 92,567

3.5% BR

50.4% WR -> 50.4% WR | -0.0%

3.1% PR -> 2.7% PR | -12%

Games: 53,742

Taliyah nerfs were on point. She is still fine in all elos and in jungle and mid and she is slightly less high elo skewed, at least in the jungle.

7.2% BR

50.2% WR -> 50.2% WR | -0.0%

3.7% PR -> 3.1% PR | -18%

Games: 60,318

Mostly nothing. Your W slow nearly never comes into play and if it does, it only lasts for 0.75 sec. The R AP ratio is not what kills most targets, but the base dmg alone. If they are at 30% HP your 900 dmg execute will kill the 750 HP enemy. If your enemy has 212 MR (-45% W, -40% VS, -20 MPen => 50 MR) and 4k max HP you need now 425 AP to kill them with the R at exactly 30% HP. Who has that much MR? Nearly nobody. And that much HP only tanks and some bruisers. And you should have way above 450 AP at that time. Around 0.5 AP ratio (1.2 enchanced) it becomes a real nerf. But overall Eve is fine now and she still rides the OP Lich Bane train and her base kit is actually lacking. But the nerf is still funny as it looks impactful but has actually 0 impact. That is a true placebo nerf.

32.1% BR

51.1% WR -> 50.7% WR | -0.4%

7.6% PR -> 7.2% PR | -5%

Games: 142,702

Nothing really changed for him. The shield duration doesn't matter as it pretty much never lasted the full 4 sec when he got that low. The 10% lower MS buff is mostly just 8% after getting T1 boots or even just 5% later on. It is not a 0 nerf but i is also not worth mentioning.

16.0% BR

50.4% WR -> 50.0% WR | -0.5%

7.3% PR -> 6.9% PR | -5%

Games: 135,227

The funny thing is that Riot wanted to nerf higher elo Pyke players more, which is why they used the W nerfs. They use W more often than lower elo Pykes. What Riot didn't think about is how often lower elo players spam their other spells and go oom faster because of that, while higher elo players nearly never go oom and rarely have to use the W on CD anyways. So in the end the CD nerf is a placebo nerf right now (you max QEW) and the mana nerf hits lower elo players. Sry Riot, but that was not it.

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If we're going keep the randomization (I know riot wants to), something needs to be done to limit the pool of items. I shouldn't be getting support and AP items on champs like Darius.

It's so frustrating having to deal with horrible items or having to forgo a prismatic item all together because of bad RNG

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