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The previous Open Thread is now well over 1,000 comments, so I’m opening a new one.

I’ll take this opportunity to note that RT just today published a short piece highlighting the remarkable recent statements of Jeffrey Sachs of Columbia University.

Prof. Sachs had spent two years chairing the Lancet commission that originally concluded that the Covid virus was probably natural, a verdict soon universally adopted by the Western media. But in the last few months, Sachs publicly changed his position, now arguing that the virus probably came from a laboratory and calling for an independent inquiry into its possible American origins. This stunning reversal has been totally ignored by our entire MSM.

Moreover, speaking at a Spanish thinktank conference a couple of weeks ago he explicitly said he was “pretty convinced” that the virus “came out of US lab biotechnology.” Once again, this explosive statement was totally ignored by our media but has now appeared in RT. His crucial remarks can be seen at this point in the Youtube video:

As many are probably aware, for more than two years I’ve been almost alone in arguing that the Covid outbreak was very likely an American biowarfare attack against China (and Iran), so it’s now very nice to have an academic figure as prominent as Sachs move towards my conclusions on several crucial points.

The Rumble video interviews in which I discussed my analysis have now accumulated well over a half-million views so here’s the link to the most popular of them:


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  1. Wokechoke says:

    Everything is connected. It always felt like a biological attack.

  2. Beckow says:

    The details of the C19 research and release, potential targets and mistakes are impossible to know. Maybe in a few years, if that.

    What we see is how different countries reacted:

    – China quickly and fully shut down in what looked like they thought they were under a bio attack.
    – Russia behaved as if they were warned to be wary of C19, prepared their defenses, but looked disengaged as if they were neither the source nor the target.
    – Europeans seemed to follow remote orders: they were slow to react, inconsistent, confused, but eventually implemented a uniform response.
    – US looked in charge, in the driver seat, self-confident instead of worried – even the protective measures were implemented with flexibility that suggested that the ones in the know were never too worried.
    – Interestingly, the deep refuge countries for the West – Canada, Australia, New Zealand – were the most protected, most isolated, almost closed off. As if the fall-back territories had to be kept totally isolated, just in case.
    – The rest of the world was left to fend for itself. In some places that meant there was literally no C19 and no rational explanation exists why that was the case, e.g. Africa.

    There can be other reasons for the above: culture, economy. If there is another C19 (C22-23) wave we may learn more. What is almost certain is that the official story is not the complete truth. Whether it is the opposite of the truth, or something in between, who knows…vaccines that don’t work, shutdowns…

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @Gerard1234
  3. songbird says:

    Do voice actors have higher verbal IQ even though they are always reading scripts?

    That is my impression. Maybe, higher than regular actors, as they are less chosen for their looks. Possibly verbal tilt.

    • Replies: @tamako
  4. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Aether"] says:

    Most people seem to implicitly think it leaked from the Wuhan lab, which of course is the account that makes most sense after it being from nature. This is the reason the media doesn’t report it anymore. It isn’t news.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  5. @Thulean Friend, from the previous thread…

    The endgoal ought to be men competing who read the most books rather than who built the best muscles at the gym

    These can be seen as nearly analogous in their potential wankery.

    I personally find gym body building to be a stupid waste of time, not because I don’t don’t care about a fit body but because I consider the fitness of my body to be a tool to used for a practical purpose, not just some showpiece. I’m quite fit and I find the deft coordination of body and work to be like a form of dance. I’ve met many weightlifters I can work circles around, since their bodies are just for show.

    Likewise, using quantity of books read as an aspirational metric of worth is meaningless. I’m more impressed by the application of knowledge than just it’s bulk acquisition. I know many who read a great quantity of books but never do anything with that knowledge. Too much living in theory is a form of mental masturbation.

    That being said I have more respect for the book reader than the weight-lifter. At least I have something to talk about with the former, and there is value in knowledge for it’s own sake, it just must be moderated.

    In my mind the culturally ideal concept doesn’t have to be exclusionary, but can encompass a balance of all the best traits. One should be well read and intellectually mature, with the ability and will to put that knowledge to practice, while also being physically competent and fit. The mind and body are both tools to be kept sharp and in top condition, and it’s a shame to ignore either one. If I could unilaterally dictate cultural norms the ideal man would equally embody the aspects of warrior, priest, and scholar. But sadly I think I missed the deadline for getting on the ballot for Omnidimensional Overlord of the Infinite Multiverses, so I’m afraid I’ll have little chance of implementing.

    • LOL: sher singh
  6. @Barbarossa

    That being said I have more respect for the book reader than the weight-lifter. At least I have something to talk about with the former, and there is value in knowledge for it’s own sake, it just must be moderated.

  7. songbird says:

    Apparently, there are several German rocket companies now. HyImpulse, Isar Aerospace, and RFA. They all seem to be developing small, three-stage rockets. Probably too many of them for them all to be a success.

    But it would be a pretty big break with recent political history, if Germany did start launching its own rockets again.

    • Replies: @Right_On
  8. tamako says:
    @songbird

    That’s unsurprising, especially when you account for how most of them host or participate in live events, and have their own regular radio shows or web programs. Even if most of those exist simply to promote some [anime/game/multimedia franchise] and stick to some sort of script, they still need to have the ability to react to anything on the fly.

    I am, of course, ignoring the voice actors who end up acting out their characters in stage plays or in MC segments in live concerts.

    • Replies: @songbird
  9. A123 says: • Website

    Even Mr. Unz has conceded that the virus was not released by the Trump administration. If it came from the U.S. it was a #NeverTrump rogue operation.

    Why does a #NeverTrump conspiracy *have* to be centered in the U.S?

    There were governments that hated Trump, such a Iran. Others, like China, had leverage on Hunter Biden and thus stood to gain by elevating his father. While they would not openly provide a #NeverTrump virus, quiet assistance is not out of the question.

    A covert operation obtaining the virus from an Asian source would be much less complex and risky. Stealing the material from a U.S. lab and transporting it thousands of miles is unnecessarily convoluted.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @tyrone
  10. Ron Unz says:
    @Beckow

    What we see is how different countries reacted:…

    – US looked in charge, in the driver seat, self-confident instead of worried – even the protective measures were implemented with flexibility that suggested that the ones in the know were never too worried.

    I think you’re a Central European, and therefore might have a very misleading impression of events in America. The reaction of the American government to the Covid outbreak was utterly disastrous and incompetent, relative to the resources it deployed among the worst anywhere in the world. For example, here’s a late 2019 chart showing the expected effectiveness of different countries to a possible disease epidemic:

    Trump and his top people initially ignored the virus or argued that it wasn’t dangerous or would go away by itself. They demonstrated absolutely no sense of the seriousness of the situation, and our CDC botched the production of a testing kit so the government couldn’t even determine whether the virus was spreading. As a result, America suffered well over a million deaths—probably more like 1.3M—plus two years of disorganized, intermittent lockdowns that totally disrupted ordinary lives and the economy. That’s as bad a combination of deaths and disruption as was found anywhere in the world.

    All of that very strongly demonstrates that Trump and his government had certainly not been behind the Covid outbreak or aware of its danger. As I’ve emphasized in my articles and interviews, the attack was very likely carried out by a small group of rogue elements in the Trump administration. If you’re interested, here’s my latest podcast interview from a couple of weeks ago:



    I think most of your other international evaluations are similarly mistaken. For example, most African countries have extremely poor public health statistics and the one exception—South Africa—has recorded a huge number of Covid deaths, at least relative to the youth and weight of its population. Similarly, the dishonest and incompetent Indian government has apparently under-reported Covid deaths by a factor of 10x.

    Unfortunately, a large fraction of everything you find about Covid on the Internet is just total nonsense.

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Beckow
  11. Ron Unz says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Most people seem to implicitly think it leaked from the Wuhan lab, which of course is the account that makes most sense after it being from nature. This is the reason the media doesn’t report it anymore. It isn’t news.

    That’s certainly the impression people might form if they get their knowledge of the world from “chatter” on the Western Internet. But there’s actually ZERO evidence it came from the Wuhan lab and considerable evidence that it didn’t. For example, the best eyewitness was an experienced Australian virologist named Danielle Anderson who was working at the Wuhan lab during that period and is extremely doubtful that it was either created there or leaked from the facility.

    Last December, the WSJ ran a page of reviews on several new books all endorsing the Wuhan lab-leak theory, and I discussed them at length in an article you might want to examine:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-confronting-covid-crimestop/

  12. @Ron Unz

    Where it came from is not even an issue in comparison to how all of the idiots reacted.

  13. @Beckow

    More worrying is that the same anti-democratic, mind-control or psyop techniques that were used to coerce ( or much harsher than that) people into getting vaccinated , or following strict procedures, or to weigh up the risk of going to hospital for a broken leg with the risk of getting infected from going there (LOL)…….were repackaged directly into this anti-Russia, fake pro “Ukraine” hysteria and fascism that we are seeing from western audiences.

    I think of business lobbying, even corruption in a much better light now, compared to this total dictation to business/industries by the government…….and the fake-woke CEO’s who seem ready to take up the ass to accept this garbage.

    The same process has happened in reverse also. The worst example of mass death or murder to hit “Ukrainians ” since WW2 has been the refusal to allow Sputnik-V in the country – with the result that there was an abysmally low vaccination-rate, the worst in all of Europe even though millions of Ukrainians rely on remittances from countries that required vaccination. Ukrainian population is russian mentality……and were highly proud and trusting to Soviet practice and very successful vaccination history. Without doubt a few 100000 lives could have been saved by allowing Sputnik V vaccine as this is the one Ukrainians would have been most receptive to taking – but of course the Nazi authorities and their EU masters did not allow it for fear of creating Russian “victory”. Banning that, of course made most “Ukrainians” extremely suspicious of the western vaccines. All this in a country where most of the testing-kit was Russian!

    Not that I am in favour of mandatory vaccination – just that greater importance of taking it there must be in a country with an abysmal hospital system as 404, and which treats their elderly with such disrespect whenever trying to further their gayropa agenda.

    • Replies: @Beckow
  14. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Aether"] says:
    @Ron Unz

    One employee, from a lab with hundreds of staff, said that her friends and colleagues could never possibly have made a mistake ever.

    Hahaha

    • Troll: LondonBob
  15. songbird says:
    @tamako

    Don’t really know about their backgrounds, but I suspect that a lot were mimics in childhood, and I imagine that has some correlation with verbal IQ.

  16. @Barbarossa

    I don’t think we disagree, actually. My disagreement with songbird was that he was too rash in discounting bookreading. Which is ironic, given that I approvingly quoted Schopenhauer a few months ago.

    The art of not reading is a very important one. It consists in not taking an interest in whatever may be engaging the attention of the general public at any particular time. When some political or ecclesiastical pamphlet, or novel, or poem is making a great commotion, you should remember that he who writes for fools always finds a large public. A precondition for reading good books is not reading bad ones: for life is short.

    Being overly bookish to the point of neglecting the outside world and being a passive consumer is not helpful – perhaps even harmful.

    My case is simply that our cultural zeitgeist has swung too far towards the jock (not even the warrior) at the expense of the scholar. In restoring balance the pendulum has to swing back.

    After all, being “hyperpresent” and in constant need of stimuli from the world writ large makes you barely more than a mere amoeba. ‘Roided up gymrats don’t make history. They don’t even get to write it.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
  17. Get ready for a harsh winter.

    A sadistic part of me want the fossil fuel-addicted countries to suffer, for it is divine justice when they didn’t phase out dirty energy when they all had the chance to do so for decades.

    We did so in the 1980s already, long before it was cool to be an environmentalist. Yes, hydro is not available to everyone but France managed to do it anyway so don’t give me that excuse.

    Unfortunately, now we and the French don’t get to reap the rewards because of the integrated EU grid, unfairly punishing us for the unwise decisions of others.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @LondonBob
  18. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Barbarossa

    I personally find gym body building to be a stupid waste of time, not because I don’t don’t care about a fit body but because I consider the fitness of my body to be a tool to used for a practical purpose, not just some showpiece. I’m quite fit and I find the deft coordination of body and work to be like a form of dance. I’ve met many weightlifters I can work circles around, since their bodies are just for show.

    Likewise, using quantity of books read as an aspirational metric of worth is meaningless. I’m more impressed by the application of knowledge than just it’s bulk acquisition. I know many who read a great quantity of books but never do anything with that knowledge. Too much living in theory is a form of mental masturbation.

    That being said I have more respect for the book reader than the weight-lifter. At least I have something to talk about with the former, and there is value in knowledge for it’s own sake, it just must be moderated.

    You provide two extremes.

    It’s better to be well read, with a practical understanding of the acquired knowledge, while being fit in an all around way that improves flexibility, speed, strength and stamina.

    • Agree: Barbarossa, Miro23
  19. Mikhail says: • Website

    More on an earlier poll mentioned at the prior thread:

    • Replies: @AP
  20. For AP, from the older thread.

    [MORE]

    The government itself was illegal, the president himself a lawbreaker who gained control of parliament through an illegal coup.

    That’s right.

    Therefore it doesn’t make sense to point out that the agreement was illegal, as the government itself was illegal in the first place.

    Wasted weapons and lives, Finland and Sweden formally in NATO, mixed performance on the battlefield. Your hope is that Ukraine loses more in the end.

    The weapons have a life span, if not used then one could consider them wasted. The performance on the battlefield required training and practice, the real war experience is critical.

    The Russians are gaining that experience now.

    The political and economic reforms are the most positive changes since the end of the USSR. The outcome of this war is not about returning a piece of territories but restoration of independence.

    And Russians didn’t do it [the liberation of those territories] without them.

    No but could have done.

    Good that you acknowledge that this [permission to settle on these territories] was an exchange for services, not a gift.

    Those territories were a part of the Empire called New Russia. Not Ukraine.

    The number of Russians in Ukraine was even smaller. Most of them arrived with industrialization.

    The number is not what matters.

    The Russians built the cities, the Russians brought the guns, and the Russians were administering those territories.

    The Ukrainians were peasants, working in the fields.

    Ukrainians gave you your literature, as Dostoyevsky (himself from Ukraine and Belarus) correctly stated.

    You have reached a new level of retardation. Congratulations.

    Dostoyevsky was born in Moscow, spoke Russian and lived in Russia. You can consider someone a Ukrainian either if one was an ethnic Ukrainian, or if one was a citizen of Ukraine. He was neither of these.

    A great Russian surgeon Pirogov bought an estate in what is now Ukraine and lived there, but he wasn’t a Ukrainian because there was no Ukraine back then and he wasn’t born there. He was a Russian scientist.

    Mikhail Bulgakov was born in Kiev when it was a governorate of the Russian Empire. He was not a Ukrainian. You can call Nikolai Gogol a Ukrainian – that’s fare, he was an ethnic Ukrainian.

    But even Gogol was not a Ukrainian writer, but a Russian writer. He never did a piece of writing in Ukrainian. Not even a personal letter. Nothing.

    The typical Soviet sees others as being like he is [humanoid earth worms].

    That referred to peasant people. That has nothing to do with me.

    So you concede that Khmelnytsky was internationally recognized as a sovereign ruler of Ukraine. You claim that he was not one despite that recognition.

    No.

    There is no king without a kingdom. No matter how he called himself and how someone else might have called him, he was not a sovereign ruler.

    The same as the Donbas republics are not independent, even though Russia and some other states have recognized them.

    The Germans had it when they gifted it.

    And then it was cancelled and annulled, so it doesn’t matter. The Germans had it, and then the Russians had it.

    Lenin accepted defeat and was forced by the victorious Germans to recognize Ukraine within more or less the current borders, minus Crimea.

    And it doesn’t matter because it was overwritten later, soon enough. You can’t stop the time, and seem to have a habit to ignore that a failure is a failure.

    That agreement lasted six months.

    Yes, within Europe, as people who view Poles as their brothers and Muscovites as enemies whom they have to kill on the battlefield.

    These people slaughtered at least one hundred thousand of their “brothers” and neighbors. The Poles despise them, and hate them, and haven’t forgotten that. Perhaps the Poles will get their territories back, and then drive out the Ukrainians out of there.

    Poorly educated provincial Soviet Sharikov has even more ideas, how cute. Bark some more.

    You begin to insult people, when losing an argument.

    Our Soviet education was superior to that of the US, we were taught the fundamental sciences a lot better. You, an American doctor, can’t count, can’t reason, and don’t know much about history.

    A provincial Soviet Sharikov is more intelligent, more knowledgeable, and brought up better than an American doctor.

    How ironic.

    Your so called elite upbringing produced an arrogant narcissist, an ignorant and half-retarded fool, full of self-importance. A pathetic being, boasting of his imaginable nobleness.

    You are a product of that corrupt cabal of bootlicker bitches, who got rich from stealing from the Soviet people, purchasing a million dollar apartment with the rent, coming from another million dollar apartment, stolen from the state.

    A piece of shit is what we call such people.

    So-called Ukrainianization involved Ukrainian peasants moving into cities and being taught to read and write in their own natural language instead of the foreign Russian language of the settlers living in those cities prior to their arrival.

    The Russian settlers founded and built those cities. The Ukrainian peasants were an illiterate foreign horde, taking over the cities the Russian people had built.

    They were foreigners, from far-off Muscovy. Their status was unnatural in Ukraine. The natural elites were local gentry and magnates.

    There was no Ukraine, idiot. That was a part of Russia, and the magnates were the Poles, who lost the war and were driven out of the Russian land.

    • Replies: @AP
  21. German_reader says:
    @Thulean Friend

    but France managed to do it anyway

    To a large extent because of nuclear power, and I’m pretty sure I remember negative comments of yours about nuclear power.
    Germany’s government is still intent on closing down the three remaining nuclear power stations at the end of the year (three others could apparently be re-activated without too much trouble, but that also isn’t being considered). Instead they’re increasing reliance on dirty coal power, but I doubt that will be sufficient either to avert disaster in winter. The Greens have a lot to answer for.

  22. @Thulean Friend

    Yeah, I think we are all on the same page. I suspect that even your disagreement with songbird is more about semantics than substance.

  23. @German_reader

    I guess this is what comes of an insistence on ideological purity rather than realpolitick. Burning more coal and gas rather than reactivating a couple nuclear plants is self defeating to their cause, but they probably feel that losing ground on the nuclear front is impossible.

    I suspect that the Greens will join Thulean Friend in applauding whatever discomfort comes down the pike, as they probably feel it will vindicate them for not being heeded sooner.

    It does look like it’s going to get a bit grim this winter for many here in the US, but I’m sure even more so in Europe. I’m glad I burn wood…

    • Replies: @Beckow
    , @LondonBob
  24. Beckow says:
    @Ron Unz

    I was not referring to competence. Certainly the US execution of almost anything these days lags and is worse than in most European countries. American society was made to work in simple multiple-options situations, with the complexity introduced in the last 20-30 years US systems struggle to implement almost anything.

    You are right about the botched C19 medical approach in the US: the mistakes, wrong information, etc…But the perception from the outside was that they were more self-confident, more in charge, more flexible. Europe literally halted in March 2020, with no real ideas or plans, in a state of suspended waiting. They were bureaucratic and unyielding.

    I flew to Washington in June 2020 from Frankfurt, it was like a night and day. The Frankfurt airport was an armed camp with dozens of heavily armed soldiers walking around, hundreds of people stuck in the transit zone – Third World people who were not allowed to enter Germany, but couldn’t fly home – controls everywhere like in a modern version of Nazi Germany. Nothing was open and nothing worked. All questions were dismissed with “but Covid!!!!” We were one of the three or four flights that day and they still managed to leave 90 minutes late. On the other hand, Washington was wide open: table with nurses to check temperature, get a hand-out, and that was it. Large parts of US stayed open and functioning.

    dishonest and incompetent Indian government has apparently under-reported Covid deaths by a factor of 10x.

    Probably. But all numbers published about C19 are squishy: some countries under-reported, others over-reported and counted anything as C19 that could even remotely be applied. There were heavy incentives both ways: on the one hand, reputation, on the other hand C19 bonuses paid freely to anyone. How do we account for people who were dying already and caught C19? Or the ones whose demise was accelerated by C19?

    Africa missed most of C19. You are right about S Africa, also Maghreb and Egypt. But the middle of the continent had no large C19 outbreaks in spite of the fact that the hygienic situation is worse and they had almost no vaccines. Maybe more youthful population and lots of sunshine and Vitamin D. Maybe they are thinner.

    I am agnostic on the origin, but agree that the official story is incomplete or worse. I am more bothered by the self-inflicted damage to the Western economies that the botched response has caused. It could be irreversible.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  25. tyrone says:
    @A123

    If it came from the U.S. it was a #NeverTrump rogue operation.

    ……..I’m thinking U.S. deep state /elite CCP operation to rat-fuck the Trump administration ,plus super charge the “great reset”,what about the Fauci money going to the Wuhan lab.

    • Replies: @A123
  26. Beckow says:
    @Barbarossa

    ….this winter for many here in the US, but I’m sure even more so in Europe.

    Some of us like the cold, so this could be good. People have been over-heating their living spaces. The problem with coal is that in the short-run only the dirties surface coal mining can be quickly restarted. But the bizarrely misnamed Greens don’t care about that – theirs is a bigger cause: change the people, abolish human nature, and fight wars. Because they hate how we live now, they can’t take it, any change is good, a catastrophe even better. Green is the favorite philosophy for end-of-liners.

    Supply side: in Central Europe almost all imported gas physically comes from Russia via pipelines. The so-called alternatives (LNG, Norway, Qatar…) are done via swaps: some of the Russian gas going to Italy-Germany is exchanged for non-Russian gas delivered there. Even Poland still does that, it is an accounting fiction that adds costs and saves faces. Pipelines can’t be easily “reversed”, they flow east-west and reversing them is wasteful and takes time.

    The new LNG supply is of unknown origin: there are definitely intermediaries who buy the Russian LNG gas and resell it as something else. The total gas supply in the market is insufficient and shifting it through more intermediaries makes it more expensive – Brussels is too stupid to understand this, or they play games for public consumption.

    The real problem is the 30-40% of gas consumed by industry: with 3-4 times higher prices and unreliable deliveries many will have to shut down. That will roll through the economies and Europe will partially deindustrialize. But I am not worried about freezing in the winter – I am kind of looking forward to it. Everybody should, it is healthier.

    • Replies: @PetrOldSack
  27. • Replies: @Beckow
  28. A123 says: • Website
    @tyrone

    If it came from the U.S. it was a #NeverTrump rogue operation.

    ……..I’m thinking U.S. deep state /elite CCP operation to rat-fuck the Trump administration ,plus super charge the “great reset”,what about the Fauci money going to the Wuhan lab.

    Exactly.

    SJW Globalist MegaCorporations love China. Outsourcing American jobs keeps wages low and employees under control. The CCP and the SJW/DNC shared a common goal. They both wanted Not-The-President Biden in the White House.

    If there is a conspiracy, the Deep State released the #NeverTrumpVirus to target MAGA and U.S. Citizens.

    PEACE 😇

     

  29. Beckow says:
    @Peripatetic Commenter

    These Donbas Russians don’t exist for many people who comment here. No matter how many testimonies, they only see their own side. Russians are all invaders and orcs – Mr. Hacks, LatW, is that girl an orc?

    Some like Zelko suggest that Russians who insist in keeping their identity should move to Russia – and retards in Hollywood clap – or maybe they are not retarded, and this is what they always wanted. Some fanatics dream about Intermarium, I assume no Russian orc would be allowed to live in the Intermarium: out with them, they are Asiatic “Khanate” savages – Lviv and Krakow thugs don’t want them around.

    This is a clear violation of the very basic human rights by EU’s own standards. But EU did nothing and said nothing. We have a war to fix it. It could make things worse, but why was Kiev allowed by EU for 8 years to do this? And why are so many here still defending it? Right, “orcs” – “kill them all”…and they are surprised they are losing the war.

    • Agree: AnonfromTN
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    , @LatW
  30. A123 says: • Website

    The full race replay is now available for

    Sahlen’s Six Hours of The Glen / IMSA WeatherTech SportsCar Championship

    This is the last season for the fast DPi Prototypes. Next year the top class [GTP] will be closely related to the slower Le Mans Hypercar [LMH] specification.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @German_reader
  31. German_reader says:
    @A123

    Have never gotten the appeal of something like that, what’s so exciting about watching cars drive in circles for hours?
    And will soon be banned by Greta anyway.

    • Replies: @A123
  32. Beckow says:
    @Gerard1234

    Without doubt a few 100000 lives could have been saved by allowing Sputnik V vaccine

    Ukraine has reported 108k deaths from C19 and 5 million cases. I doubt all would had been saved with any form of vaccination. That was 2% of people who were reported as having Covid and around 0.25% of population.

    I agree that there was a nice seamless transition in the media from C19 hysteria to Russia-hating hysteria. If there is a next phase, the topic could be so over-heated and propaganda so thick that the media would cease to exist as a category. Not too many would miss them.

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
  33. Ron Unz says:
    @Beckow

    But the perception from the outside was that they were more self-confident, more in charge, more flexible. Europe literally halted in March 2020, with no real ideas or plans, in a state of suspended waiting. They were bureaucratic and unyielding.

    Sure, Europe also did a very poor job of handling the epidemic, resulting in both high death rates and a great deal of social/economic disruption. But I think America’s “self-confident” behavior was mostly due to incompetence and ignorance, with a substantial fraction of the pro-Trump elements either believing that the disease didn’t exist or it was almost harmless. Obviously, if you follow Trump in saying “it’s just the flu!” you don’t behave in a panicked manner.

    Consider that the US age-curve is much more youthful than that of the big EU countries, but America still had a much higher Covid death rate. So I think all that “confidence” you saw was the confidence of stupidity and incompetence. Trump had looked very “confident” early on when he said nobody should worry about the virus because it would just go away by itself.

    But all numbers published about C19 are squishy: some countries under-reported

    Sure, all the countries cheat with their official statistics. For example, America has officially only had 1M Covid deaths, but anyone who checks the CDC website can see that we’ve had more like 1.3M “excess deaths”, only a sliver of which would have been homicide, suicide, or drug overdoses. But India’s Covid deaths are in a category of their own, probably off by a factor of 10x.

    Africa missed most of C19. You are right about S Africa, also Maghreb and Egypt. But the middle of the continent had no large C19 outbreaks in spite of the fact that the hygienic situation is worse and they had almost no vaccines. Maybe more youthful population and lots of sunshine and Vitamin D. Maybe they are thinner.

    Sure, based upon their youthful and slender population, I think you’d expect only a fraction of the per capita deaths elsewhere. But even so, I don’t think most of the countries have any sort of reliable reporting, so hundreds of thousands probably died across the continent without anyone knowing. South Africa does have a reporting system, and they recorded 100K deaths. I can’t see why the Bantus living there would be more vulnerable than the ones anywhere else.

  34. @Beckow

    In the previous thread I posted a joke saying that it’s not the question if Russians take Lisichansk, it’s the question of when. To the delight of Lisichansk residents it happened sooner than expected.

    But there is nothing special about Lisichansk: virtually all Donbass residents saw Ukies as occupiers (and that’s exactly how they behaved). Naturally, they are happy that their cities were liberated, Ukie occupiers are kicked out. Older people relived what they felt when Nazi occupiers were kicked out of Donbass in WWII.

    As to EU and Western Europe in general: no surprises there. Their defining characteristic is hypocrisy. They pretended not to notice massive Ukie war crimes in Donbass, they even now pretend that they don’t know that desperate losing Ukies brutally shell residential areas of Donetsk, killing and maiming civilians. They keep pretending that they don’t see a clear violation of EU rules when Russian language is suppressed in the Baltic statelets. They would pretend that there is no sun, if the empire orders. Liars is their middle name.

  35. Ron Unz says:

    I just discovered something remarkable…

    I’ve been very pleased with how my video interviews have been doing on Rumble, with one of them just above 200K views and another just below. Obviously, that’s nothing remotely like the 25M views on Youtube for John Mearsheimer’s Ukraine lecture, but still extremely nice from my perspective. However, I got curious about how those numbers compare with other videos.

    The podcasters who interviewed me are pretty small and most of their other videos generally got just a few hundred or a couple of thousand views, partly because Rumble has a much smaller audience.

    Until earlier this year, I’d never paid much attention to video platforms, though I’d known that Youtube had started banning and shadow-banning people and topics around 2017. There was a big NYT article saying that Rumble had become the preferred choice for creators banned by Youtube, especially conservatives. Apparently, Youtube’s traffic is roughly 100x that of Rumble, so it provides a vastly greater potential audience:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/28/business/media/rumble-social-media-conservatives-videos.html

    After Alex Jones was banned by Youtube, he moved to Rumble and has 100K subscribers, but if you search for “Alex Jones” and rank his videos by views, only 2 of the many hundreds of videos are above 200K views. For “Tucker Carlson” about a dozen are above 300K, but the overwhelming majority are far below 100K views.

    After RT was banned by Youtube, it moved to Rumble, but except for its continuing Livestream video, only four of its thousands of videos are above 100K views and the vast majority are below 10K.

    https://rumble.com/c/RTNews?sort=views

    So overall, I’m really pretty pleased with how my own Covid video interviews are stacking up…

    • Agree: sher singh
    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  36. Russian operation in Ukraine (not covid).

    For those who understand Russian, this is a good source of news, updates every several minutes:
    https://t.me/s/boris_rozhin

    Those who don’t can still appreciate pictures and videos, including those of Ukie soldiers (the lucky ones, those who were taken prisoner, instead of being killed) with swastikas tattooed on their bodies and Nazi insignia on their uniforms.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
  37. A123 says: • Website
    @German_reader

    Have never gotten the appeal of something like that, what’s so exciting about watching cars drive in circles for hours?

    Watkins Glen is much more complicated than a circle.

     

     

    I wish that I had the skill & funding to join the race.

    And will soon be banned by Greta anyway.

    Europe is waking up to the fact that Global Cooling / Warming / Change mythology is self destructive. (1)

    “Poland and Czechia will build a coalition of countries opposing the ban on new CO2-emitting vehicles by 2035, which was proposed by the European Commission,” said Polish government spokesman Piotr Müller.

    Müller was asked about the EU’s plan to ban the production of vehicles using internal combustion engines by 2035 in an interview with TVP Info, part of Polish public television.

    Müller said that the Polish government’s stance on this ban was negative and “Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki along with Minister of Climate Anna Moskwa held talks regarding the building of a coalition of countries that will oppose the ban, with the Czech government among others.”

    The spokesman further said that the Polish government had already reached an agreement with Prague to stand united against the proposed ban.

    With luck, Greta will soon be banned.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://rmx.news/poland/poland-building-coalition-to-fight-eus-ban-on-gas-and-diesel-cars/

  38. Ron Unz says:

    The power of Twitter. The Tweet was sent out earlier this morning but has already been Retweeted more than 2,000 times, while the video clip has been viewed more than 110K times:

  39. Right_On says:
    @songbird

    They’re already making state-of-the-art stealth U-boats with air-independent propulsion. Imagine what Dönitz could have achieved with them!

    • Replies: @songbird
  40. @Ron Unz

    Can I ask what’s your take on the recent Shanghai lockdown and Zero-Covid drive? It was far more harsh than the initial Wuhan one and took place in the city with the highest expat population,

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  41. A123 says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    Mr. Unz,

    What Dr. Sachs stated is:

    I’m pretty convinced it came out of US lab biotechnology not out of nature

    Follow up questions are immediately necessary:

    –I(a)– How does Dr. Sachs differentiate between:
        • French lab biotechnology
        • US lab biotechnology

    –I(b)– Could the Covid biotech be French, not American?

    –II– Given French & American collaboration with the Wuhan Institute of Virology, how does Dr. Sachs know that US (or France) origin biotechnology was not transferred to China?
    ___

    French medical research institutions were extensive collaborators with the launch of the Wuhan Institute of Virology. (1)

    France Warned US in 2015 About China’s Wuhan Lab, Investigator Says

    In 2015, French intelligence officials warned the U.S. State Department and their own foreign ministry that China was cutting back on agreed collaboration at the lab, former State Department official David Asher, now a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute think tank, told The Daily Caller News Foundation.

    By 2017, the French “were kicked out” of the lab and cooperation ceased, leading French officials to warn the State Department that they had grave concerns as to Chinese motivations, according to Asher.

    In January 2018, a State Department cable warned of a lack of highly trained technicians to operate the lab in a cable first reported by The Washington Post.

    The U.S. officials who had visited the lab and made the warning via the cable were not permitted to return, because they were asking “too many questions,” according to Asher.

    Finding French and American lab biotechnology at the Wuhan Institute of Virology would be unsurprising. In fact, it seems inevitable.
    ___

    In principal, I am not opposed to an objective investigation of France, China, the U.S., and any additional parties that are identified along the way. However, after the epic WHO failure, trying to compose such an investigative body is incredibly difficult at best, impossible at worst.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://dailysignal.com/2021/07/28/france-warned-us-in-2015-about-chinas-wuhan-lab-investigator-says/

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  42. songbird says:
    @Right_On

    I wouldn’t like to be in a food negative country, if ever these underwater drones start being employed.

  43. Ron Unz says:
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Can I ask what’s your take on the recent Shanghai lockdown and Zero-Covid drive? It was far more harsh than the initial Wuhan one and took place in the city with the highest expat population,

    I’m afraid I don’t have any special insight. Since China had successfully prevented Covid infections and (for unknown reasons) hadn’t vaccinated more than about half its elderly, it was obviously very vulnerable to the sort of disastrously lethal outbreak Hong Kong had experienced with the new, ultra-contagious variant. So the PRC’s massive response seems plausible. Maybe there was something else going on or maybe there wasn’t.

    For me, the huge puzzle is why China hadn’t gotten its elderly 99% vaxxed. If that had been done, the outbreak wouldn’t be nearly as serious. I tend to doubt that elderly Chinese have been listening to Alex Jones and become fanatic anti-vaxxers…

  44. Legba says:

    It’s like Hillary said – At this point, what does it matter?

  45. Ron Unz says:
    @A123

    What Dr. Sachs stated is:

    Sachs is a very high-ranking, ultra-Establishment American academic, and his (sensible) Ukraine views have surely gotten him enough trouble. I’m certainly not saying he explicitly blamed the American government for the Covid outbreak, but he did come awfully close to doing so. As I’ve pointed out, he strongly suggested that Covid came from an American lab and never once mentioned anything about the Wuhan lab, since that’s just propaganda-nonsense.

    In his May journal article, Sachs had called for an independent inquiry into the American origins of the virus. Those seem like pretty strong hints coming from a top mainstream academic.

    France Warned US in 2015 About China’s Wuhan Lab, Investigator Says

    You’re quoting the unsubstantiated claims of David Asher, a notorious Neocon and the right-hand man of Mike Pompeo. Since Pompeo is the most likely suspect behind the Covid outbreak, there’s a pretty good possibility that Asher was one of the conspirators who caused the deaths of over a million Americans. Do you really regard his public statements as the best evidence on the source of Covid?

    • Replies: @A123
    , @Triteleia Laxa
  46. Sean says:

    [H]e explicitly said he was “pretty convinced” that the virus “came out of US lab biotechnology.”

    Wuhan researchers were using US lab biotechnology, it was taught to them by Professor Ralph Baric at North Carolina University, and they then continued the work in back in Wuhan.

    Since Pompeo is the most likely suspect behind the Covid outbreak, there’s a pretty good possibility that Asher was one of the conspirators who caused the deaths of over a million Americans.

    If it was a deliberate bioweapon on China I would say Baric is the most likely person to be involved, because of his specialized expertise. There could be no doubt about the purpose of creating such a novel pathogen. However, he would certainly understand that it could not be contained in China, and he was one of a handful of researchers whose work would come under scrutiny as the origin when it caused a global pandemic.

    Lets say hypothetically that someone with the relevant level of expertise was told to design and create a novel coronavirus pathogen, why would he not remark that it would cause a worldwide pandemic if released? Why would someone like Pompeo at the top of the conspiracy assume that the pathogen was only going to be transmitted between Chinese human beings when he did not specify that property for the pathogen when commissioning the creation of it?

  47. songbird says:

    Don’t know if CCP propaganda against the Japs has been given a bad name, but I rather enjoyed this clip:

    [MORE]

    Better than American television certainly.

  48. A123 says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    Mr. Unz,

    I am quite happy that the NeoConDemocrats are returning to their traditional home in the DNC War Party. If they can be rousted, that will help end unnecessary foreign misadventures such as supporting Zelensky.

    Fortunately, there is extensive evidence from other sources documenting the depth of bilateral China-France collaboration on this project. The French government openly publicized it. Therefore, my questions do not rely on the State Dept weasel that you do not like.

        –I– What was the extent of France/China biotechnology transfer?
        –II– How does Dr. Sachs know that the Covid biotechnology was U.S. not France/China?

    France provided the lab’s design, biosafety training, and much of its technology.

    http://english.whiov.cas.cn/ne/201801/t20180117_189133.html

    https://foia.state.gov/Search/Results.aspx?searchText=(wuhan%20institute%20of%20virology)%20AND%20(%22wuhan%20institute%20of%20virology%22)

    While top French politicians supported the collaboration, French security and defense experts did not, the French newspaper Le Figaro reported.

    National security officials did not want to share sensitive technology with an oppressive country that was not an ally and they feared the lab could one day be transformed into a “biological arsenal,” according to Le Figaro.

    https://www.mediapart.fr/en/journal/france/310520/strange-saga-how-france-helped-build-wuhans-top-security-virus-lab

    https://www.larecherche.fr/covid-19-coronavirus-politique-scientifique/la-pand%C3%A9mie-du-coronavirus-r%C3%A9v%C3%A8le-les-failles-de-la

    https://www.lefigaro.fr/sciences/covid-19-le-laboratoire-p4-de-wuhan-revient-au-coeur-de-la-polemique-20210503

    The project took more than a decade to complete, and in February 2017, high-level French and Chinese officials held a ceremony to mark the lab’s accreditation.

    Then-French Prime Minister Bernard Cazeneuve said at the time that it was a celebration of Franco-Chinese scientific cooperation.

    To support the China-French project, France would make its technical expertise available to China to support the continuous improvement of the laboratory’s quality and safety, Cazeneuve added.

    https://fr.calameo.com/read/005154450f13109773bd9

    https://www.gouvernement.fr/sites/default/files/document/document/2017/02/23.02.2017_discours_de_m._bernard_cazeneuve_premier_ministre_-_ceremonie_daccreditation_du_laboratoire_de_haute_securite_biologique_p4.pdf

    https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/25/5/18-0220_article

    That would fund about 50 French scientists to help train the Chinese lab workers, the director of Inserm, a French public research organization that helped set up the Wuhan lab, told the French magazine Science & Sante in May 2017.

    However, little by little, the laboratory completely escaped the control of the French scientists who were, according to an agreement between Paris and Beijing, to supervise the work of the Chinese researchers in Wuhan, according to Le Figaro. The 50 French researchers who were to work in the lab for five years never left, the newspaper reported.

    https://fr.calameo.com/read/005154450f13109773bd9

    https://www.lefigaro.fr/sciences/covid-19-le-laboratoire-p4-de-wuhan-revient-au-coeur-de-la-polemique-20210503
    ____

    Again, In principal, I am not opposed to an objective investigation of France, China, rogue U.S. traitors, and any additional parties that are identified along the way.

    After the mid-terms, House and Senate committees will have an open mind towards investigating Establishment sedition and/or treason. I suspect the first push will be digging at BigPharma. Globalist MegaCorporations used the experimental vaccine program to line their pockets, while simultaneously ducking liability for serious adverse consequences.

    Perhaps they were able to move so quickly because of inside technical details about the virus that was later released?

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @216
  49. 216 says: • Website
    @A123

    Any blaming of “the US” as the source of SARS-2 means in some way that ordinary conservatives like me will be held personally responsible.

    I cannot countenance anyone repeating what is clearly PRC propaganda, no different than the presumably faked videos of Wuhan hospitals collapsing in 2020.

    We have already been told that we cannot question the borders of China in the US (!), while Chinese state media screams that the US border control is racist, and the Chinese foreign ministry demands the Falklands be handed over to Argentine tyranny.

    Trump can’t use social media because of claims that he somehow sent a coded message to his followers telling them to attack random Asians on the streets.

    NO. China is responsible, Fauci is responsible. Conservatives like me are not responsible. Anyone that argues otherwise should be ideally prosecuted under an Anti-Subversion Act and deported.

  50. AP says:

    Jeffrey Sachs is apparently a long-time and strong advocate for China. Thus, it would make sense for him to support an origin story for Covid that would contradict the Chinese lab-leak hypothesis.

    https://www.ncregister.com/blog/jeffrey-sachs-and-the-vatican-silent-on-china-s-rights-abuses?gclid=CjwKCAjw2f-VBhAsEiwAO4lNeE_1w4gowgd5LT5sNBNbVohi5PAa8rMnrrq_VeKZbeyuXfl0ebHqlxoCXR8QAvD_BwE

    He has worked with George Soros and Bill and Melinda Gates, the strongly pro-abortion and pro-contraception billionaire philanthropists, and has been a supporter of the former presidential candidate and socialist Bernie Sanders. At the same time he has been a bitter and vociferous opponent of former President Donald Trump, and throughout last year’s presidential campaign he appeared on Chinese state media to blast U.S. foreign policy as a “crusade against China.”

    [MORE]

    professor Jeffrey Sachs, a regular speaker at the Vatican on sustainable development and climate change, who has long been an apologist and zealous defender of the Chinese Communist Party while remaining silent about its human rights abuses.

    A population control advocate whom for well over a decade the Vatican has regularly relied upon as an expert on the environment and other global issues, Sachs has frequently urged cooperation with the communist regime, seeing advantages of engagement and dialogue over hawkish, confrontational diplomacy which he has often derided.

    The Columbia University economics professor, who advises both the U.N. and the Holy See on the environment, warned last August against escalating tensions with the People’s Republic and in 2019 took himself off Twitter after comments he made defending the Chinese tech giant Huawei caused a media storm (Sachs continues to be a supporter of the company, which critics say is a tool for Chinese espionage).

    Meanwhile, he has dismissed the human rights atrocities against the Uyghurs as “propaganda” against the Chinese government but backtracked in 2018, tweeting he was “trying to understand” the situation.

    In more recent articles, Sachs has continued to promote a diplomatic approach to the Communist regime similar to the Holy See — one that is silent about Beijing’s human rights violations while arguing for cooperation. According to Yuichiro Kakutani, writing in The Washington Free Beacon last November, Sachs has maintained “a long relationship with the Chinese government and business elite, which can be traced back to at least the early 2000s.”

    ::::::::::::::

    He is also not a biologist but an economist, and much of his background is involved in economic development (he was apparently heavily involved in shock therapy policies for eastern European countries transitioning from the Communist system):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Sachs

  51. @German_reader

    I’m pretty sure I remember negative comments of yours about nuclear power.

    I’ve been consistent in saying I have nothing ideological against nuclear energy, but that its advocates have to address the yawning cost overruns. That’s shouldn’t be interpreted as an endorsement of fossil fuels, so that excuse doesn’t wash for Germany’s tardiness in moving away from dirty fuels. Should have happened a long time ago.

    The Greens have a lot to answer for.

    I think it’s more a case of Germans and Austrians having a weird political culture where nuclear energy can’t be discussed rationally. Greens in other countries are often more pragmatic, e.g. France and Eastern Europe. In our national culture, the green party is marginal since the mainstream parties are very strong in their environmental bona fides, and so they don’t set or dictate as much of the debate.

    Besides, we phased out most of our dirty fuels already back in the 1980s. Germany’s addiction to dirty fuels is now coming back to bite it, and unfortunately those of us who were responsible have to foot the bill for your failed policies.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  52. AP says:
    @216

    Jeffrey Sachs is a long-time shill for China. He would support any theory that would take the heat off China for Covid. This does not necessarily mean he is wrong about Covid, of course, but keep it mind when he makes claims:

    https://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/opinion/2080439/jeffrey-sachs-a-xi-propagandist-

    Jeffrey Sachs: a Xi propagandist?

    • Replies: @Sean
  53. German_reader says:
    @Thulean Friend

    I think it’s more a case of Germans and Austrians having a weird political culture where nuclear energy can’t be discussed rationally.

    Because Greens and their sympathizers in the media (especially in public broadcasting) demonized nuclear power for 30 years. Even stupid crime dramas on television featured plots about the nuclear industry murdering people to cover up incidents. And stuff like this
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Wolke
    which was no doubt read in many school classes and also made into a movie.
    Germany’s political culture is deeply warped and there is indeed no rational debate – not just about nuclear power, but about pretty much anything – but this isn’t something that just happened, it’s the result of a part of the (West) German bourgeoisie adopting absolutely retarded beliefs and forcing them on society through their control of discourse-shaping positions.

    Besides, we phased out most of our dirty fuels already back in the 1980s.

    If I understand correctly, much of Sweden’s energy supply comes from hydro and from nuclear power. The former probably isn’t possible in Germany like it is in Scandinavia, and the latter has been given up for the ideological reasons I mentioned above.
    And sure, it’s ridiculous that they’re now going to fire up the polluting coal plants again. But the issue is that at least with current technology you can’t run Germany on renewables alone. So one has to make a choice, either nuclear or fossil fuels. People who categorically reject both are essentially agitating for major de-industrialization.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
  54. AP says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    “Wasted weapons and lives, Finland and Sweden formally in NATO, mixed performance on the battlefield. Your hope is that Ukraine loses more in the end.”

    The weapons have a life span, if not used then one could consider them wasted. The performance on the battlefield required training and practice, the real war experience is critical.

    The Russians are gaining that experience now.

    It seems that their Syrian experience didn’t help much.

    “And Russians didn’t do it [the liberation of those territories] without them.”

    No but could have done.

    Maybe, maybe not – but they did not. The territories of southern Ukraine were liberated with the help of Ukrainian forces, who knew the area quite well and who were experienced at fighting Turks and Tatars. The hypothetical is irrelevant.

    “The number of Russians in Ukraine was even smaller. Most of them arrived with industrialization.”

    The number is not what matters.

    The Russians built the cities, the Russians brought the guns, and the Russians were administering those territories.

    There were a small number of Russians living in small cities (Odessa only had 9,000 people in 1803, growing to 194,000 in the 1870s). Administration by them was rudimentary and unnecessary in the region. The farms weren’t run by the urban administrators and the farms were more important than the cities in the overwhelmingly rural regions.

    The Ukrainians were peasants, working in the fields.

    Correct, and they were also Ukrainian Cossacks who were given land grants and noble title in exchange for settlement. I already gave you an example of such a family – the Ukrainian nationalist Dmytro Dontsov, whose Ukrainian Cossack ancestors came to these lands in the early 1800s and whose father had been mayor of Melitopol.

    Also, part of New Russia included the Zaporozhian lands, who already have over 100,000 free Ukrainian peasant/farmer settlers in the mid 18th century, before Russia took those lands over.

    “Ukrainians gave you your literature, as Dostoyevsky (himself from Ukraine and Belarus) correctly stated.”

    You have reached a new level of retardation. Congratulations.

    Dostoyevsky was born in Moscow, spoke Russian and lived in Russia. You can consider someone a Ukrainian either if one was an ethnic Ukrainian, or if one was a citizen of Ukraine. He was neither of these.

    Dostoyevsky’s father Mikhail was born and grew up in the Right Bank of central Ukraine. He was a typical minor Ukrainian nobleman, his father (the writer Dostoyevsky’s grandfather) had been a Greek Catholic priest with a small estate. Mikhail Dostoyevsky studied medicine and moved to Moscow. He married a Russian woman. Thus, Fyodor Dostoyevsky was half-Ukrainian.

    “You can call Nikolai Gogol a Ukrainian – that’s fare, he was an ethnic Ukrainian.”

    But even Gogol was not a Ukrainian writer, but a Russian writer. He never did a piece of writing in Ukrainian. Not even a personal letter. Nothing.

    Nikolai Gogol’s father wrote literature and staged plays in the Ukrainian language. I’m not sure if anything written by Nikolai Gogol in Ukrainian survives but you are a fool if you think that he had never written anything in the Ukrainian language in his life:

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8C-%D0%AF%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9,_%D0%92%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%90%D1%84%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%8C%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87

    The relatively primitive Muscovites got their culture from those Rus people who had origins in the civilized Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth, the beacon of light in those dark places. Their literature came from Gogol and their classical musical tradition came from people like Berezovsky and Bortniansky.

    The typical Soviet sees others as being like he is [humanoid earth worms].

    That referred to peasant people. That has nothing to do with me.

    Yes, you see peasants as something that you and not they are are – a humanoid earth worm.

    “So you concede that Khmelnytsky was internationally recognized as a sovereign ruler of Ukraine. You claim that he was not one despite that recognition.”

    No.

    There is no king without a kingdom. No matter how he called himself and how someone else might have called him, he was not a sovereign ruler.

    The same as the Donbas republics are not independent, even though Russia and some other states have recognized them.

    Well first you claim that only he himself referred to himself as that. Then when it was shown to you that the Orthodox Patriarch’s men and the Sultan also referred to him as such, you now claim something else. This claim is wrong like the others. Khmelnytsky was sovereign in his territory, independently controlling his own army, making and administering his own laws, making treaties with other countries.

    The Donbas republics, on the other hand, are not. They do only what the Russia tells them to do.

    “Yes, within Europe, as people who view Poles as their brothers and Muscovites as enemies whom they have to kill on the battlefield.”

    These people slaughtered at least one hundred thousand of their “brothers” and neighbors.

    Indeed, civil wars between brothers can be very brutal. Fortunately those times have passed. This Russian invasion of Ukraine has really done much to put that tragedy in the past and to reconcile the two brotherly peoples.

    The Poles despise them, and hate them

    Wishful thinking by a Soviet degenerate worm.

    I was just in Poland in April, Poles in general like Ukrainians. Many of them are even taking Ukrainians into their own homes, people who own apartments are providing them shelter for free, etc.

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    Our Soviet education was superior to that of the US,

    You personally prove that it wasn’t. Ignorant of basic historical facts (see above), innumerate (how long did it take you to discover that my estimate of PISA-derived Russia IQ was correct all along), poor at logic (using the Moscow outlier without correction).

    You had a poor, second-rate power that fell further and further behind until it just fell apart in запой and crime (the only thing Sovok Sharikovs are really good at). Its legacy was a murder rate worse than in Central America.

    A provincial Soviet Sharikov is more intelligent, more knowledgeable, and brought up better than an American doctor.

    How cute that a Sharikov “thinks” such things.

    Your so called elite upbringing produced an arrogant narcissist

    Sharikov is too dumb or too blind to imagine or see anything beyond his own nose.

    As a Soviet creation, you are certainly nothing but a drunk man’s vomitus compared to me, a peasant, or any other human. Funnily enough, the same can be said for your grotesque experiment of a state, and its immediate descendants. I tell you the truth about yourself. But just because I correctly place you where you belong in relation almost every other person commenting here, including me, does not make me proud or arrogant. As I have already told you, there are certainly better and smarter people here than me. You aren’t one of them though, Sharikov.

    coming from another million dollar apartment, stolen from the state.

    I am glad that you claim that every Soviet person is a thief, because every Soviet person was granted title to the apartment he had happened to be living in when Sovietism ended. In this case it is a false and stupid claim, but your implication about universal moral corruption of Soviet people such as yourself has a whiff of truth to it, at least. Probably that is the closest to the truth that you have gotten to in your life, humanoid worm.

    A piece of shit is what we call such people.

    You call Soviet people who got apartments from the state shit? That’s most of them. You are starting to recognize yourself at last.

    “So-called Ukrainianization involved Ukrainian peasants moving into cities and being taught to read and write in their own natural language instead of the foreign Russian language of the settlers living in those cities prior to their arrival.”

    The Russian settlers founded and built those cities.

    They were small provincial cities or towns before the Ukrainians came.

    “They were foreigners, from far-off Muscovy. Their status was unnatural in Ukraine. The natural elites were local gentry and magnates.”

    There was no Ukraine, idiot. That was a part of Russia, and the magnates were the Poles,

    There you go again with your ignorance, this was Rus but not Muscovy-Russia, the most powerful magnates in these Rus lands were not Poles but Rus people, such as Jeremi Wiśniowiecki, whose son ascended the Polish throne (the last Rurikid to rule a country). These Rus people had a long history of together with their Polish brothers fighting against Muscovites.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    , @Here Be Dragon
  55. AP says:
    @Mikhail

    According to that poll, 82% of Ukrainians assess a great deal of responsibility for the war to Russia, 47% to the Ukrainian government, 26% to the USA, 24% to NATO, and 14% to Ukrainian ultra-nationalists.

    The tweet’s author also adds (you have go to the link on the tweet): “It’s plausible that many understand the US/NATO responsibility as sending weapons “too little too late” and Ukraine’s for not preparing enough.”

    The same poll also shows that 68% of Ukrainians strongly favor and a further 21% somewhat favor keeping Ukrainian as the only state language.

    It also shows that the majority of the Ukrainian people do not want to negotiate away any Ukrainian territory. This means that the war will not end soon.

  56. LatW says:
    @Beckow

    Russians are all invaders and orcs – Mr. Hacks, LatW, is that girl an orc?

    Do not manipulate again. The invading army are “orcs”, not Donbas residents.

    • Replies: @Beckow
  57. LondonBob says:
    @Thulean Friend

    FT saying we, Britain, will cut off our gas pipelines for continental Europe this winter. We still produce a reasonable amount and we also have a lot of LNG terminals.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  58. LondonBob says:
    @Barbarossa

    I have read the nuclear plants would only supply four percent of needs. The simple solution would be to stop following US dictats and implement the generous peace agreement the Russians have on the table for the Ukrainians, if humanitarian concerns weren’t enough, maybe self interest will be?

    • Replies: @German_reader
  59. LondonBob says:
    @Ron Unz

    The media and government seem deeply uninterested in the origin of covid 19 now, the dog that didn’t bark.

    I expect the catastrophic consequences of the mRNA vaccines will be the bigger issue now. I agree with Jacob Dreizin (https://rumble.com/v1auo3e-2022-07-02-the-corona-brace-for-impact.html?mref=15jk98&mc=aftu3) and have seen myself the disastrous side effects. The infertility issue is starting to raise its head too now.

  60. German_reader says:
    @LondonBob

    the generous peace agreement the Russians have on the table for the Ukrainians

    How would you know about that, and what does “generous” mean? Will Russia agree to evacuate Kherson and other Black sea territories, and agree to referenda in the Donbass?
    Any agreement which includes Russia just annexing huge territories it has captured since February will never be the basis of a diplomatic solution.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    , @LondonBob
  61. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Aether"] says:
    @Ron Unz

    No, Sachs is extremely clear that it came from a Chinese lab. He only adds the point out the contribution of US tech to that lab to pre-emptively avoid accusations of racism.

    You’re either willfully misrepresenting him, or really have no way of comprehending even straightforward statements by centre-left establishment types anymore.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  62. @German_reader

    That’s interesting, thanks. Your comment goes a bit further in understanding the anti-nuclear mania in Germany which makes it such an outlier in Europe. Even today, your government is dragging its feet.

    You’re correct in noting that the backbone in the Swedish energy system in hydro and not nuclear. In my humble view, obsessing over nuclear is a bit of a red herring. The goal should be low-carbon & low-pollution energy. The exact way this will be achieved will vary between countries.

    Sweden has chosen a path that is primarily going to be based on renewables with nuclear only playing second fiddle. Its share in our energy grid has steadily declined and will continue to decline.

    However, successive governments – both left and right – have continued to resist a rapid phaseout. Indeed, just a few days ago, our current left-wing government announced a new SMR-type “minireactor” proposal to be built near Ringhals. If all goes according to plan, these reactors would go live in the early 2030s. So we’re not only maintaining but indeed expanding our nuclear capacity.

    At the same time, we’re planning the biggest offshore wind farm in the world. Expansion plans for renewable energy are so aggressive that its share will steadily share and eclipse nuclear energy in years to come.

    One final point. I think it’s a mistake to overly focus on your green party. The buck stops with the Chancellor, does it not? Ultimately it is he who is responsible for the government’s policy. The failure of Germany to have a rational energy policy goes back long before the Greens came onto the scene.

    Sweden’s energy policy was largely decided in the 1950s-1980s. France began planning their nuclear-first path under de Gaulle. West Germany had plenty of opportunities under a series of Chancellors of various political stripes to choose a similar path but instead chose a fossil fuel-dependent direction. That failure is now a problem everyone of us has a stake to solve, given the deep integration of the EU energy grid. And we will.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  63. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Aether"] says:
    @Ron Unz

    There is something pleasing in getting a bunch of people to take some completely stupid theory seriously, but QAnon got there first.

  64. china-russia-all-the-way says:
    @216

    I cannot countenance anyone repeating what is clearly PRC propaganda, no different than the presumably faked videos of Wuhan hospitals collapsing in 2020.

    In early 2020, the people most eager to share videos of mayhem in Wuhan were US right wingers eager to see collapse and misery in China. The Wuhan fainting video phenomenon was the work of American right wing nationalists. It backfired because it terrified so many people in the US that the population was amenable to a lockdown, setting a bad pattern for 18 months.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
  65. German_reader says:
    @Thulean Friend

    One final point. I think it’s a mistake to overly focus on your green party.

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    I hate them. From my pov their influence has been totally destructive, there’s not a single redeeming feature about them. Obviously today’s SPD and CDU/CSU are also terrible from my perspective (it’s “far right” after all as you’ve previously noted), but at least one can argue that Christian Democracy and Social Democracy once were movements with a lot of positive achievements which integrated and represented large swathes of the population. I can’t see anything positive about the Greens at all, they’re essentially a hyper-moralistic, anti-national sect whose ideas are nonsensical. But they’ve got a totally outsized influence, because so many of their sympathizers are in the media (not least in public broadcasting), studies have shown massive overrepresentation. So no, even if SPD wanted to move against them on the energy issue (and SPD is pretty terrible too), it wouldn’t be easy. This is also a class issue to some extent. Greens are the rich man’s party, but not of rich people who actually create something, but of a spoiled, parasitical bourgeoisie in state employment. iirc a plurality or even a majority of civil servants, especially those in higher positions, voted for them in the last election. And now you’ve got a cunt like Habeck (essentially a writer of fiction for teenagers) who’s telling people they should save energy by showering for a shorter time or reducing heating, and others who say rising prices for food items are good, food shouldn’t be cheap anyway etc. There should be some serious potential for a massive social explosion here, but of course Germans aren’t like the French and will just take everything.

    The failure of Germany to have a rational energy policy goes back long before the Greens came onto the scene.

    The decision to phase out nuclear power was taken by the Red-Green coalition of 1998-2005, it was one of the Greens’ major successes and wouldn’t have happened without their influence.
    And you can’t run Germany on wind and solar power alone, key issues like energy storage haven’t been solved and may not be solvable. So if you don’t want nuclear power for base load, that leaves dirty fossil fuels.
    Anyway, sorry for the rant, the Greens are a subject that triggers me.

    • Thanks: Thulean Friend
  66. sher singh says:
    @German_reader

    You’re not far right.

  67. Ron Unz says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    No, Sachs is extremely clear that it came from a Chinese lab. He only adds the point out the contribution of US tech to that lab to pre-emptively avoid accusations of racism.

    You’re either willfully misrepresenting him, or really have no way of comprehending even straightforward statements by centre-left establishment types anymore.

    You’re just some dishonest Neocon troll.

    I carefully read the May academic paper by Sachs, and don’t recall those claims. I’ve also watched his entire talk at the Spanish thinktank, and it’s the same story—absolutely no mention of the Wuhan lab. Instead, his mention of the Covid outbreak comes in close conjunction with his discussion of the extremely dangerous and aggressive actions of America against China and Russia, perhaps further implying why the virus suddenly appeared.

    As I’ve pointed out in my articles, there’s simply no evidence that the Wuhan lab had anything to do with the Covid outbreak, and it’s heartening that the chairman of the Lancet commission on Covid is now beginning to point his finger in the correct direction.

    For anyone interested in more information in a convenient published form, here’s my collection of articles on the subject:

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  68. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Aether"] says:
    @Ron Unz

    Maybe you’re dishonest, or maybe you’re just ignorant:

    Sachs and Harrison write. “We do know that the insertion of such FCS sequences into SARS-like viruses was a specific goal of work proposed by the EHA-WIV-UNC partnership within a 2018 grant proposal (“DEFUSE”) that was submitted to the US Defense Advanced Research Projects (DARPA).”

    “WIV” stands for Wuhan Institute of Virology.

    EHA is the US-based EcoHealth Alliance run by Peter Daszak.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    , @Ron Unz
  69. Wokechoke says:
    @AP

    This is why Western Europeans need to cut off the supply of arms to Kiev. Big headed Poles and Ukies threatening to drag everyone civilized into an unwinnable confrontation. You are mad.

    • Replies: @AP
  70. Wokechoke says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Peter is a Ukrainian ethnic with a British and US passport. Cuddly looking, a gently spoken guy with a Cheshire burr, doing vital work on potentially weaponizable viruses.

    Shouldn’t he be Poytyr or some silly bumpkin spelled version of the name?

  71. Wokechoke says:
    @china-russia-all-the-way

    This would be the only time in history that anyone listened to Anglin though.

    There could be a forensic study of the dissemination of these falling down videos.

    I’m curious to know what you mean as you describe as American Right Wing Nationalists. How did those so-described nationalists manipulate Italy, Spain and Iran into falling apart in Jan and Feb 2020?

    Is Anglin popular in Milan and Tehran?

  72. German_reader says:

    “Ambassador” Melnyk has been criticized by Poland:


    He had appeared in a German tv show where some left-wing journo asked him about his admiration for Stepan Bandera. Melnyk didn’t cave and defended Bandera. Impressive in a certain way, at least he’s standing by his convictions. But also patently idiotic.

    • Agree: AP
    • Replies: @Wielgus
    , @Greasy William
  73. AP says:
    @Wokechoke

    1. Russia is the aggressor and any anti-Russian alliance would be defensive in nature. Any confrontation is Russia’s choice.

    2. Russia can barely handle Ukraine on it own, ands its victory is far from 100% assured. Given that fact, it would lose to a Poland-Ukraine, as it has historically lost to Poland-Ukraine numerous times in the past. There is nothing “unwinnable” here.

    There is a reason why Russia is so desperate to keep Ukraine out of the West.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    , @Sean
  74. Wielgus says:
    @AnonfromTN

    Martyanov, some Russian rival of Rozhin, hates him for some reason, calling him a defeatist. Not that I notice it although Rozhin doesn’t worship at Putin’s feet.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  75. Wielgus says:
    @German_reader

    Polish support for Ukraine is a mile wide but also an inch deep. There has also been a Polish demo, admittedly not huge, with the theme “this is Poland, not Ukro land”.

    • Replies: @AP
  76. Sean says:
    @AP

    Science has replaced religion as the plausible lying is concerned, It is really the international scientific community–worried about a backlash ban against all research–that is trying to cover up what was in all probability some kind of a lab leak in Wuhan that implicates the US for funding the work that should not have been done. A Wuhan lab leak of a natural virus is the most likely explanation. Accidental release of an Gain Of Function or other virologic techniques engineered virus is a secodary contender. You have to look at the propinquity of the labs working with bats and theri viruses in Wuhan, not just the big French built one but the CDC one that was a few football field away from the seafood market and had moved their a very short time before the outbreak. Here is a level headed expert opinion that palls all the evidence together.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/25/opinion/coronavirus-lab.html

    By my way of thinking a bioweapon attack is extremely unlikely because it it not obviously true that China can overtake the United States, or that an act of was such as a bioweapon attack would required, certainly not that it be done with a virus that predictably caused a global pandemic. Hypothetically, say someone, necessarily with with the relevant level of expertise, was told to design and create a novel coronavirus pathogen, why would he not remark that it would cause a worldwide pandemic if released? Why would someone like Pompeo at the top of the conspiracy assume that the pathogen was only going to be transmitted between Chinese human beings when he did not specify that property for the pathogen when commissioning the creation of it?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  77. Beckow says:
    @LatW

    The girl is a Russian Donbas resident, but she welcomes the ‘orcs’, doesn’t that make her also an orc, maybe an orc-lite?

    What exactly do you think should happen to her when the Kiev army marches east this summer and liberates Donbas?

    That’s the crux of the war: what to do with the orchites you pretend don’t exist. So you better have an answer. The Latvian way – deprive them of citizenship, schools, language – won’t cut it. Russians are now paying attention, EU still isn’t but soon will.

    • Replies: @AP
  78. AP says:
    @Wielgus

    Letting Ukrainian refugee families into one’s own is indicative of deep support. I know a Polish guy who drove a refugee family whom he didn’t know three hours to another city where housing had been arranged, there are thousands of such circumstances.

    Poles now see in Ukrainians themselves, when they were attacked by Germans or Russians. They see that the Ukrainian refugees are much like themselves (they se their own women and children in the Ukrainians among them) and they admire the bravery of Ukrainian troops putting up such fierce resistance to the hated Russian invaders. Ukrainians see Poles as a brotherly nation who takes them into their own homes and who keep their women and children safe and fed as they fight the eastern Horde.

    Realignment may be imprecise a word, because these trends existed before the war, but the war has accelerated them in orders of magnitude. The link between Ukrainians and Russians is broken, between Ukrainians and Poles is strong.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
  79. AP says:
    @Beckow

    The girl is a Russian Donbas resident, but she welcomes the ‘orcs’, doesn’t that make her also an orc, maybe an orc-lite?

    As I explained to you earlier around 10% of the population in Kiev-controlled Donbas supported the Russian invasion. These ones stayed behind for the “liberation” while the other other 90% fled westward. Severedonetsk went from a population of 100,000 to 7,000-10,000.

    What exactly do you think should happen to her when the Kiev army marches east later this summer and liberates Donbas?

    Well, when the Russian army moved west 90% of the population fled to Kiev-controlled territory. If Kiev takes the territory back the 90% can return to their homes if they want.

    Is it better for 90% of the population to be forced to flee, or 10%?

    Not that she has to flee. She can remain, and accept the laws that the majority of her countrymen want, including language laws.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    , @Beckow
  80. Mikhail says: • Website
    @AP

    1. Russia is the aggressor and any anti-Russian alliance would be defensive in nature. Any confrontation is Russia’s choice.

    2. Russia can barely handle Ukraine on it own, ands its victory is far from 100% assured. Given that fact, it would lose to a Poland-Ukraine, as it has historically lost to Poland-Ukraine numerous times in the past. There is nothing “unwinnable” here.

    There is a reason why Russia is so desperate to keep Ukraine out of the West.

    1. Kiev regime and NATO are aggressors for going against the signed UN approved Minsk Protocol, while building up regime forces near the Donbass rebels and having supported Ukrainian membership in the anti-Russian NATO alliance.

    2. Kiev regime isn’t able to retake territory it lost and risks loses more territory in a conflict that sees itself losing more military personnel to an opponent with greater numbers and resources. The Petliura-Pilsudski project failed to establish an anti-Russian and pro-Polish Ukrainian puppet state. There’s not much of a history of a successful Russian-Ukrainian alliance against Russia.

    Anti-Russian forces have historically attempted to use Ukraine as a base with limited success. At the same time, Russia and pro-Russian elements within Ukraine’s Communist drawn boundary have ample reason for concern over such attempts.

    Kind of related:

    https://www.rt.com/russia/558197-ukraine-decided-eradicate-rus-culture/

  81. Mikhail says: • Website
    @AP

    Poles now see in Ukrainians themselves, when they were attacked by Germans or Russians. They see that the Ukrainian refugees are much like themselves (they se their own women and children in the Ukrainians among them) and they admire the bravery of Ukrainian troops putting up such fierce resistance to the hated Russian invaders. Ukrainians see Poles as a brotherly nation who takes them into their own homes and who keep their women and children safe and fed as they fight the eastern Horde.

    Realignment may be imprecise a word, because these trends existed before the war, but the war has accelerated them in orders of magnitude. The link between Ukrainians and Russians is broken, between Ukrainians and Poles is strong.

    With hating Russia as a theme, many Poles have an uber nationalist mindset that overlooks the fault lines of their nation’s past and present. That the Kiev regime utilizes a Banderite ambassador in Andrey Melnik is quite revealing on the limits of Polish-Ukrainian cooperation.

    The Russian cultural and linguistic influences within Ukraine’s Communist drawn boundaries remains more profound than Poland’s.

  82. Wokechoke says:
    @AP

    Lysyschansk was founded as a coal mining town around 1790. Good argument that it was/is a Russian colony.

  83. Mikhail says: • Website
    @German_reader

    How would you know about that, and what does “generous” mean? Will Russia agree to evacuate Kherson and other Black sea territories, and agree to referenda in the Donbass?
    Any agreement which includes Russia just annexing huge territories it has captured since February will never be the basis of a diplomatic solution.

    In accordance to what a Kiev regime official said and judging by the regime’s behavior and follow-up from some influential Western circles, the conflict’s end and Ukraine’s boundaries will be influenced on the battle field results.

    The Minsk Protocol and a militarily neutral Ukraine was the other option which the West and Kiev regime didn’t pursue in the years prior to Russia’s Donbass independence recognition.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    , @Sean
    , @German_reader
  84. songbird says:

    I’ve just been trying to read about historical executions in the UK to try to get a feel for what method would have been applied in a certain case in Ireland in the 1500s (still no firm idea), but I came across a really gruesome one, that I thought was interesting (not for the weak of stomach):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guernsey_Martyrs

    • Replies: @songbird
    , @German_reader
    , @S
  85. Beckow says:
    @AP

    Your numbers are made up and lack context. More people from Donbas went to Russia when they still could, and the “10%” nonsense is right there with your infamous “only 2% of Ukrainians are now pro-Russian” – a number so silly that even the Western polls show that it is false. You said that since Donbas couldn’t be polled, they simply left them out – kind of like polling US in 1862 and omitting the South.

    I see that you want the girl and her family gone, effectively expelled. Or alternatively, she can abandon her native language and keep her mouth shut. Nothing like that is being done to Ukrainians in Crimea or Donbas – they allow all identities.

    Given those choices, we shouldn’t be surprised that Donbas population in general fights like hell to keep the Kiev nationalist fanatics out. That could put your summer plans at risk. What happened to your previous willingness to let them go and secede? You argued that Ukraine would be better off without them.

    • Replies: @AP
  86. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Aether"] says:

    Weird potential fact. It is quite possible that Nigeria and Uganda, combined, will have as many live births as China for 2020-2025.

  87. @songbird

    Same as been said here about the WWII European Theatre– the mainstream narrative of the East Asian Theatre is mostly bogus.

    European Civil War and Second Thirty Years’ War has been used to designate 1914-1945. East Asian Civil War can be used to designate the period from 1927-1949, divided to three periods:

    1927-1937 First stage of KMT-CCP Civil War
    1937-1945 With Soviet facilitation, KMT and CCP forms a temporary alliance against Japan
    1945-1949 Continuation of KMT-CCP Civil War, in itself a proxy war of US-Soviet Cold War

    The KMT engaged in 20+ main battles against Japan whereas CCP barely did in one– Hundred Regiments Offensive (1940). The PRC film omits the back story of the two sides’ commanders:

    Peng Dehuai led CCP Red Army to a very limited victory. During the Cultural Revolution he was purged and died horribly, purportedly in part because Mao resented him for exposing too much of CCP’s strength in 1940 against Japan, which should have been reserved later for against KMT.

    Tada Hayao was the main China Dove in the IJA and the key figure in the mediation sponsored by German ambassador Oskar Trautmann. The mediation failed in large due to China Hawks led by PM Konoe Fumimaro, an idiotic yet belligerent figure comparable to Joachim von Ribbentrop.

    [MORE]

    • Thanks: songbird
    • Replies: @songbird
  88. @Wielgus

    As far as I can tell (which is not very far, as I did not live in Russia since 1991 and visited it only three times since then, the last in 2020), in Russia there are two kinds of supporters of denazification of Ukraine. One group is gang-ho, while the other is more realistic and objective. Rozhin (nom-du-guerre “colonel cassad”, although he is no more colonel than “colonel Sanders”) is in the second group, so the first one attacks people like him.

    Personally, I trust the second group more. I think that the campaign is going to be long and hard. However, recent Ukie shelling of Belgorod in Russia (where, among other civilians, a family of refugees from Kharkov was killed) shows that Russia cannot afford to leave any “Ukraine” without strict control, including military. Thus, whether Putin and his coterie wants it or not, the only end of the operation that Russian public will accept is unconditional surrender of current Kiev puppets.

    BTW, on July 3rd Lugansk People’s Republic officially proclaimed its full liberation from the occupiers (although a few pockets controlled by Ukies still exist in Lisichansk).

    • Replies: @Wielgus
  89. Sean says:
    @AP

    Russia is the aggressor and any anti-Russian alliance would be defensive in nature. Any confrontation is Russia’s choice.

    Yes, we would have no control over their decision at all. Nor would would we control the means they would employ to face down any challenge to their moves.

    Russia can barely handle Ukraine on it own, ands its victory is far from 100% assured

    Russia occupying what it currently does will be a victory. Russia being driven back to its start point of the invasion would be a defeat . But it is not clear the current Russian people would or their leadership could accept that.

    There is a reason why Russia is so desperate to keep Ukraine out of the West.

    They are not alone. What does beggar Ukraine bring to the table for Western Europe. Portugal would become a net contributor to the EU, so would the Czech republic. Ukraine and Poland will be a power block outvoting Germany.

    • Replies: @AP
  90. Ron Unz says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    You had claimed that “Sachs is extremely clear that it came from a Chinese lab.”

    When I challenged your ridiculous statement, all you can find is:

    Sachs and Harrison write. “We do know that the insertion of such FCS sequences into SARS-like viruses was a specific goal of work proposed by the EHA-WIV-UNC partnership within a 2018 grant proposal (“DEFUSE”) that was submitted to the US Defense Advanced Research Projects (DARPA).”

    So they merely mentioned that there had been a (rejected) proposal to our own DARPA agency that the Wuhan lab and our own research facilities receive a grant to conduct such genetic research. That’s totally different than what you were claiming.

    Everyone knows that the Wuhan lab was conducting viral research. So were numerous other labs both in the US and around the world. There’s ZERO evidence that Covid had anything to do with the Wuhan lab.

    I repeat, you’re just a dishonest Neocon troll relying upon FoxNews talking points.

    • Agree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Beckow
    , @Triteleia Laxa
    , @Sean
  91. Beckow says:
    @Mikhail

    Kiev and the West got into a real quandary by not negotiating a reasonable compromise before 2/24/22. Now they repeat like aging parakeets that “force cannot be a basis for…

    German-reader: Russia just annexing huge territories it has captured since February will never be the basis of a diplomatic solution.

    The negotiations were rejected and that only leaves force, it was obvious that the Russian side wasn’t going to just sit there and take it forever. By definition whatever comes out of the war will be the settlement. We can call it whatever we want, dictionaries and history are full of variety.

    When the war stops and life returns to normal the reality on the ground will be the settlement. Some fat lady in London or Scholz will repeat that they don’t accept it, but so what. It is the same as if Truss-Scholz were vegetarian and said that they don’t accept eating meat.

    The war will settle it, everybody knows it. Kiev better ups its game, the war is for all marbles. That’s what they wanted, they shouldn’t despair, if that summer offensive goes well, maybe even Kuban and Kremlin will be in play. AK said he would concede and go hedonist. So there is a chance for Kiev, they just need to grab it.

  92. Sean says:
    @Mikhail

    Germany and France actively pursued it and the US acquiesced. Zelensky was elected to enact Minsk and had taken step to do so in 2019 but Azov and Poroshenko protested Zelensky was selling Ukraine out. Thereafter he eschewed compromise, got a restatement of the Nato position that Ukraine would be joining, used drones and Javalins in Donbass and seems to have imagined that Putin would be scared to do anything. Zelensky did not believe there was going to be an invasion until about a week before despite all the warning from Biden that there certainly was.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
  93. Beckow says:
    @Ron Unz

    Aether is an infamous neo-con so far out on the limb that his head is spinning. But in a way he provides the enthusiastic stupid-conformism viewpoint that is also needed – it is unfortunate that when caught in dishonesty he-she-it doubles down or flees…

    Aether was previously ‘Laxa’. Since Laxa declared the war “won by Kiev” and that was too embarrassing, we get Aether now. Neo-cons are born-again every day, maybe that’s what the ‘Neo’ refers to…

    • Replies: @Wielgus
  94. Wokechoke says:

    three more river crossings of the Donets above Seversk.

  95. songbird says:
    @songbird

    Used to be a crime punishable by death to spend one month in the company of Gypsies, which I find really surprising. One would think that if Gypsies were perceived as such a threat by those in power, they would have exiled them.

  96. A123 says: • Website
    @216

    Any blaming of “the US” as the source of SARS-2 means in some way that ordinary conservatives like me will be held personally responsible.

    I cannot countenance anyone repeating what is clearly PRC propaganda

    The purpose of a “well constructed” wide ranging investigation is finding the truth. Unfortunately, I see little to no chance for “constructing” a credible body. Everything the UN/NWO touches becomes a disaster.
    ___

    The most plausible explanation is:
        • WIV’s experimentation created COVID-19.
        • And, the release was unintentional.

    Timing supports this theory. The virus appeared during the pre-holiday period where the lowest rung of employees were financially pressed by advance booking train passage. Stealing & selling apparently healthy lab animals slated for destruction is the type of misjudgment that non-scientists could easily make.
    ____

    The idea of an unauthorized attack on China has huge logic problems. Why would Establishment Globalists attack their CCP ally? The Deep State views China as a friend. Both American Leftoids and CCP Elites were highly motivated to place Not-The-President Biden in the White House.

    If there is a conspiracy, the target was America. A #NeverTrump rogue operation aimed directly at democracy. Any investigation should exonerate U.S. citizens victimized by multinational MegaCorporations.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
  97. Wokechoke says:
    @A123

    Rogue elements could have been. The CIA was doing color revolution in Hong Kong that year.

  98. songbird says:
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    The CCP narrative has a comedic element that I appreciate as a foreigner.

    Watched the film The Eight Hundred a few weeks back, and there was this one scene that was really over-the-top:

    Japanese soldiers were marching towards the warehouse wall in a testudo formation, in order to plant a satchel to destroy the wall, and this one Chinese leaped out of the window with a vest of grenades to blow himself up on top of the testudo, and others seeing his example, lined up, one after another to leap out the window with explosives onto the testudo.

    But as if often the case, I learnt something from watching the movie, and was surprised to read this:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_attack#Chinese_suicide_squads

    Which I think shows more parallelism with the Japanese than most Westerners would suppose.

  99. Sean says:
    @Ron Unz

    Everyone knows that the Wuhan lab was conducting viral research. So were numerous other labs both in the US and around the world

    Other countries did not have the bat cave. Or lack of precautions which Bat lady and other Wuhan researchers are known to have operated. The chaining of the named of viruses and withdrawal of databases in China and in the US at China’s request suggest skullduggery.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/25/opinion/coronavirus-lab.html

    Last July, Dr. Shi said “a possibility did not exist” that anyone associated with the institute may have gotten infected “while collecting, sampling or handling bats.” She added that it had recently tested all institute staff members and students for antibodies showing past infection by SARS-CoV-2 or SARS-related viruses and had found “zero infection” and insisted that she could rule out this possibility for all labs in Wuhan.

    It’s hard to see how a careful scientist could dismiss even the slightest possibility for all labs, including those not her own. “Zero infection” would mean not a single case among the hundreds of people at the institute, even though a study found that 4.4 percent of the Wuhan population had been infected.

    Lies.

    There’s ZERO evidence that Covid had anything to do with the Wuhan lab.

    Propinquity is hardly evidence against the Covid pandemic coming from a Wuhan lab.

  100. @Ron Unz

    It is interesting that he declares it an “accidental event.”

    The dog that didn’t bark?

  101. Wielgus says:
    @AnonfromTN

    Belgorod seems to be an attempt to divert attention from the growing Ukrainian collapse in Donbass but I think Rozhin is correct and it is going to need greater commitment by the Russians, whether Putin likes it or not. Half-heartedness is no way to run a war, a military operation or anything else.

  102. AP says:
    @Beckow

    Your numbers are made up and lack context. More people from Donbas went to Russia when they still could,

    Not from the part of Donbas that was part of Ukraine until February 2022.

    and the “10%” nonsense is right there with your infamous “only 2% of Ukrainians are now pro-Russian”

    It is a good reflection of your own servility that you find it shocking that only 2% of a country has positive feelings towards the country that bombs and kills them.

    I see that you want the girl and her family gone

    I have no opinion of whether she should stay or go. If she chooses to stay she should abide by the laws of the majority of the population; if she doesn’t like them she should be free to leave.

    Do you think it’s better if 90% of a place’s population leaves or if 10% leaves? Let’s see if you refuse to answer that question. I suspect you will.

    Or alternatively, she can abandon her native language and keep her mouth shut.

    Don’t lie as usual. There is plenty of Russian being spoken in Ukraine, including by soldiers who are fighting against the invading orcs. But most of Ukraine’s people support having Ukrainian as the only state language and the language of the schools. Even most Russian-speakers in Ukraine support this.

    Given those choices, we shouldn’t be surprised that Donbas population in general fights like hell

    Are they?

    What happened to your previous willingness to let them go and secede?

    I was happy with the February 24 border. This placed the majority ethnic Russian parts out of Ukraine. Ukraine was better off without them. After February 24th the Russians started grabbing territory where the majority of the population did not want to be part of Russia. This is bad. But you disagree, because you are a bad person.

    If in the extremely unlikely (but slightly possible) chance that Ukraine recovers all of the Donbas or even Crimea (even less likely), I would not be opposed to the Russians there experiencing what the Sudeten Germans did after World War II. I would have opposed that fate before this war, but brutal invasions have consequences.

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  103. Wielgus says:
    @Beckow

    Yes, I wondered where Laxative went.

  104. AP says:
    @Sean

    Russia can barely handle Ukraine on it own, ands its victory is far from 100% assured

    Russia occupying what it currently does will be a victory.

    Depends on other variables. Does the rest of Ukraine then join the EU, get rebuilt with funds forced from Russia, develop a bristling military to prevent future invasions, while Russia languishes and is forced into the role of China’s client state? I don’t think gaining a land corridor to Crimea where there had already been a bridge, and rest of Luhansk (Russia is not short of land or coal) would be worth this for Russia.

    Russia being driven back to its start point of the invasion would be a defeat . But it is not clear the current Russian people would or their leadership could accept that.

    Most Russians support this war because it costs them little so far. Some stores have closed, they have to visit Dubai or Turkey rather than France, Italy or Greece. Would Russians be willing to send their own kids to die through forced conscription so that Russia doesn’t lose some bombed out coal town in Donbas that Ukrainians try to take back? That’s a different story.

    There is an informal social contract in Russia: the state does what it wants (including wage war), the people acquiesce and don’t get in the government’s way, and in exchange they are allowed to do okay and aren’t bothered as they live their lives. So far the war falls within the bounds of that contract. Full mobilization and risk for everybody is a different contract.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    , @Sean
  105. songbird says:

    Germans should battle it out with the Greens in the near-vicinity of their nuclear power plants, like the climax in the post-apocalyptic novel Lucifer’s Hammer, in which sensible people mount a last ditch defense, trying to protect the last surviving nuclear power plant against a cannibalistic group of multicult atomophobes, trying to destroy it.

    • Replies: @S
  106. Wokechoke says:
    @AP

    There’s a theory about 1917. In 1917 the French army mutinied. It’s theorized that the French soldier instinctively calculated that his probability of Death at the hands of the Germans was 1 sometime in the summer of 1917 and the troops refused to conduct offensive operations until they were fed, clothed and paid properly in addition to getting enough artillery and mortars/light machine guns at the squad level. France was effectively out of the war from that point onward.

    The French troops had a steady diet of defeats at the hands of the Germans. It’s possible there will be a mutiny in the Ukraine armed forces now that Russia has inflicted 25% land capture (see map) and 100% KIA/WIA of the prewar Ukraine military. These Ukie generals are probably learning a whole new “respect” for their Russian counterparts.

    you heard it here folks.

  107. For AP, from the previous thread.

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    The higher the percentage of people in university, the lower the average IQ of university students. Having a large number of people in universities simply means that standards are lowered to allow more people in. Russia has an inflated number of people with tertiary education in part because this is a way of avoiding military service, right?

    No.

    Of course not.

    Russia has a large number of people with higher education due to the tradition coming from the Soviet times, where not having higher education was a sign of mental deficiencies. Considering that higher education was free and students were paid for the studies, most people were enrolling to the universities.

    The average IQ of university students is 115, because the difficulties of material require higher intelligence which people develop through the course of their studies. Most students begin with the IQ of 100 and finish with the IQ of 115. Your idea of intelligence being inherited is wrong.

    There have been three studies that proved that.

    Research on the role of the environment in children’s intellectual development has shown that a stimulating environment can dramatically increase IQ, whereas a deprived environment can lead to a decrease in IQ. A particularly interesting project on early intellectual stimulation involved 25 children in an orphanage.

    Other examples of IQ increase through early enrichment projects can be found in Israel, where children with European-Jewish heritage have an average IQ of 105, while those with a Middle-Eastern Jewish heritage have an average IQ of only 85. Yet, when raised on a kibbutz, children from both groups have an average IQ of 115.

    In another home-based early enrichment program, conducted in Nassau County, New York, an instructor spent time showing parents who participated in the program how best to teach their children at home. The children in the program had initial IQs in the low 90s, but by the time they went to school they averaged IQs of 107 or 108.

    IQ Test Scores: The Basics of IQ Score Interpretation
    https://www.edubloxtutor.com/iq-test-scores/

    A person’s intellect can be trained.

    A clever electrician or builder with an IQ of 110, who never attended a university, will still be smarter than office plankton with a degree in Business Administration with an IQ of 105.

    You will never finish the Business Administration courses with an IQ of 105. There is a lot of difficult material to learn, such as higher mathematics and economics. You need at least 115-120 to get through it.

    I heard differently, from the child of a wealthy farmer. The kids would still have to watch the livestock in the summer, the father would also engage in farmwork although he would hire helpers too.

    Perhaps on a small farm. A medium size farm would require at least ten hired workers. A child watching the livestock doesn’t make a difference.

    My great-great grandfather didn’t work in the field. He didn’t even walk. He had horses and rode them. There is a lot of work to do for a farmer – as a supervisor, management, trade, accounting, etc.

    The entire purpose of having a farm is to avoid that hard labor in the fields.

    When communism ended everybody was given title to the place where they happened to live. Nothing was stolen or taken. People living in Khrushchovky became owners of Khrushchovky – people who lived in million dollar flats became their owners. This was probably the least corrupt thing happening at that time, it actually was not corrupt at all.

    Of course it was corrupt.

    During the Socialism these elite apartments were not gifted but given as an encouragement, to be used for a period of time, not to be owned. Unlike the corrupt post-Soviet state, that people like that relative of yours created, the Soviet Union had very little corruption on a minor level.

    Your extended family are those who are responsible for the theft and robbery of the nation in the following years – first privatizing an elite state property for free, such as a million dollar flat near the Kremlin, then purchasing another million dollar flat with the rent money – doing absolutely nothing.

    That’s the very definition of corruption.

    They initiated an artificial economic crisis, brought the prices down, and then bought for a one tenth of the cost what they could not steal first.

    And then they rent it, or sell it, and immigrate to the US or the UK, and from there they write and speak, bashing and slandering the Russian people, calling them thieves.

    We know your lying breed well.

    You built your lives at the expense of the Soviet people, whom you are now despising.

    As for technological progress, everything would have happened sooner and without millions of dead, if time had not been wasted creating Sharikovs and otherwise constructing a new society through brutal Sovok methods.

    Technological progress doesn’t happen, it’s a result of hard work, and to consider that it would have happened sooner, without constructing a new society through brutal methods, is to not understand how it works whatsoever.

    Before the revolution Russia had 75 percent of rural population, for the most part illiterate. So in order to modernize the country a large part of that population had to be moved to the cities, while the remaining part had to adopt new methods of production.

    That necessity, coupled with the limited time frame, and growing menace of the war led to implementation of those brutal policies.

    Had it not been done then, the war would have been lost.

    • Replies: @AP
  108. @German_reader

    Anyway, sorry for the rant

    No need to apologise, I quite enjoyed reading it. Even when angry, you manage to be illuminating at the same time, a rare trait.

    And you can’t run Germany on wind and solar power alone, key issues like energy storage haven’t been solved and may not be solvable. So if you don’t want nuclear power for base load, that leaves dirty fossil fuels.

    I’m more optimistic about storage being solved, but this is admittedly up for debate. I have respect for skeptics who have a nuclear-first view. As noted previously, my only concerns re: nuclear are cost disease-related and not ideological. The ultimate goal should be low emission energy that has high energy security. Nuclear meets both criteria.

    The decision to phase out nuclear power was taken by the Red-Green coalition of 1998-2005, it was one of the Greens’ major successes and wouldn’t have happened without their influence.

    Fair point. I think my point still stands though. Germany could have gone the French way if renewable energy isn’t viable as you think it is in a German context – but it didn’t. So even in the absence of a nuclear phaseout, Germany would still have issues today as fossil fuels would presumably make up a significant part of your grid. That’s on your previous chancellors.

    Besides, it is surely the responsibility of both the SPD and CDU Chancellors to have followed through on this policy. While you hate the green party, I think you’re absolving the mainstream parties a bit too much. The buck ultimately stops with them, as their parties have provided Germany’s Chancellors.

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    I have little affinity for the German Green party either, but mostly because their leaders are absurdly pro-Atlanticist. Even before the current crisis, Baerbock was constantly agitating for increasing Europe’s dependency on the US. A black mark in my book.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  109. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Sean

    Re: Minsk Protocol

    Germany and France actively pursued it and the US acquiesced. Zelensky was elected to enact Minsk and had taken step to do so in 2019 but Azov and Poroshenko protested Zelensky was selling Ukraine out. Thereafter he eschewed compromise, got a restatement of the Nato position that Ukraine would be joining, used drones and Javalins in Donbass and seems to have imagined that Putin would be scared to do anything. Zelensky did not believe there was going to be an invasion until about a week before despite all the warning from Biden that there certainly was.

    Germany and France along with the US never influenced the Kiev regime to enact it with the threat of sanctions.

    Porky recently said that Minsk was signed by the Kiev regime to buy time. I recall that being said of Merkel as well. Need to verify the latter.

    • Replies: @Sean
  110. German_reader says:
    @Mikhail

    The Minsk Protocol and a militarily neutral Ukraine was the other option

    I’m even inclined to agree, but that’s all moot now, Russia has gone way too far with this war. Difficult to see how there could be a mutually acceptable solution, relations with Europe may well be irretrievably broken, definitely so if Russia just goes ahead and annexes Kherson and other territories captured since February. There’ll be a new Cold war with a heavily militarized border between NATO and Russia (provided this doesn’t escalate into a wider war, possibly a nuclear one, before). Everybody involved loses.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    , @Gerard1234
  111. Mikhail says: • Website
    @German_reader

    I’m even inclined to agree, but that’s all moot now, Russia has gone way too far with this war. Difficult to see how there could be a mutually acceptable solution, relations with Europe may well be irretrievably broken, definitely so if Russia just goes ahead and annexes Kherson and other territories captured since February. There’ll be a new Cold war with a heavily militarized border between NATO and Russia (provided this doesn’t escalate into a wider war, possibly a nuclear one, before). Everybody involved loses.

    Kiev regime wants to fight on. Doing so doesn’t risk a consequence? Meantime, the West shouldn’t see the situation as a dire civilization choice as propaganizded by the svidos and Western neocons.

    • Replies: @Sean
  112. German_reader says:
    @songbird

    This is also a pretty gruesome method:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanged,_drawn_and_quartered

    Looks like for most common crimes (not treason or heresy) it would have been either beheading or hanging in England and its dependencies in the early modern age.

  113. @Beckow

    I go on the premise that “108k dead” is yet another ukronazi work of fiction of course. More like 5x that number.

    Every year is “excess death year” for 404, and if you don’t count then they aren’t dead is what appears to be the philosophy.

  114. German_reader says:
    @Thulean Friend

    Besides, it is surely the responsibility of both the SPD and CDU Chancellors to have followed through on this policy.

    I don’t disagree. SPD and CDU/CSU have failed completely, not just on the nuclear issue, in their relations with the Greens, they didn’t even make a real attempt to come up with an alternative programme of their own, instead just accepting the media’s framing that Green positions were the way of the future and should be adopted. But I don’t think the radical break with nuclear power would have happened without the Greens and their outsized influence.

    but mostly because their leaders are absurdly pro-Atlanticist.

    That’s true, and it’s pretty strange in a way, because back in the 1980s – when the Soviets occupied half of Europe – the Greens were affiliated with a rather unthinking kind of pacifism. But since the Kosovo war they’ve gradually become ultra-hawkish. A recent poll even showed Green voters to be the ones most in favour of keeping US nuclear weapons (or even increasing their number) in Germany, at 64% (average is 52%):
    https://www.tagesschau.de/investigativ/panorama/umfrage-atomwaffen-deutschland-101.html

  115. @German_reader

    The first chapter of Foucault Discipline and Punish is an amazing work of literature. I bet not 5% of the people who hate on Foucault ever read the guy at all.

  116. Sean says:
    @AP

    Let us look at what the pre 2022 invasion status quo ante would be

    In 2019 when Zelensky–elected on a platform of peace with Russia–agreed to begin enacting Minsk and then changed his mind, the Russians occupied Crimea and a part of Donbass amounting to a total seven percent of Ukraine’s territory occupied (subtracting Crimea it was a mere two and a half percent). It was autonomy within Ukraine that was central to the Minsk agreement.

    Does the rest of Ukraine then join the EU, get rebuilt with funds forced from Russia, develop a bristling military to prevent future invasions, while Russia languishes and is forced into the role of China’s client state

    Sounds like Ukraine thinks it has all the time in the world, just as it it thought it did in 2019. Russia did badly on the Kiev battlefield but in economic terms Russia is stronger and has more useful allies than anyone dreamt it would, including the worlds largest democracy. Putin leads a resource rich, industrial power, and unlike in the Cold War Russia is not dependent on America grain. In warfighting ability it has vast amounts of artillery ammunition in store and can produce more. They are not going to quit and the steamroller is gaining momentum.

    So far the war falls within the bounds of that contract. Full mobilization and risk for everybody is a different contract.

    Intelligent people avoid military service in Russia, but if conscripted they would not be in the infantry and those who do represent. Putin’s powerbase who are simple patriotic folk.

    For a people, the deal breaker is losing a war. Revolutions come when wars are being lost, or the leader is failing to assert the county’s interests effectively against rival states, and that was true of the 1905 as much as the 1917 revolutions in Russian The French revolution came after a series of reverses at the hands of Austria, which Napoleon repeatedly knocked seven bells out of . It is much more likely Putin was scared that to do nothing about Ukraine would cause dissatisfaction with his leadership, than he will dare stop just as the Russian army are firing on all cylinders and about to settle accounts with Ukraine for their 15 year old drone operators and dirt bikers with NLAWs slaughtering hapless Russians solders like silly sheep on the roads around Kiev.

    Lysychansk shows that the American-style trained officers of the Ukrainian army are unable to keep the troops from running away. Ukraine does not have a cadre of professionals to take charge as NCOs and their officers don’t lead from the front like the Russian ones do. Advancing is a great morale booster and the logistics especially the railways are much better now for Russia, which means the artillery ammunition is going to be brought to where it is needed even as Russia advances. I think it is Zelensky who has miscalculated right down the line, and he is the one worried about the people objecting to him continuing as leader.

  117. AP says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    Most idiotic comment you have written:

    The average IQ of university students is 115, because the difficulties of material require higher intelligence which people develop through the course of their studies. Most students begin with the IQ of 100 and finish with the IQ of 115. Your idea of intelligence being inherited is wrong.

    LOL.

    IQ is fairly stable since adolescence.

    The article you quote from is written by this person:

    https://ezinearticles.com/expert/Susan_Du_Plessis/6383#more-information

    “After training in psychology and theology, Susan du Plessis became actively engaged in researching learning difficulties including dyslexia.”

    She has a Bachelor’s degree only. Her post contains various discredited ideas such as Gardner’s multiple intelligences theory.

    She is selling a product that claims to increase intelligence.

    A stupid Sharikov such as you bought her sales pitch.

    Meanwhile actual studies:

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S104160801400020X?via%3Dihub

    “Our findings as well as those of former studies are consistent with the position of Rost (2010) that the intelligence of a person does not seem to underlie dramatic changes from the age of about 12 to 14 years onwards. Exceptions to this rule may include deficient intelligence diagnosis, changes in health status, or/and the emergence of strong emotional problems (e.g., Schneider et al., 2004). ”

    IQ is hereditary, it doesn’t change much over time (it can change a little), unless there is some sort of brain damage. Education can raise IQ by a few points but that is modest.

    Increasing the number of people in universities only decreases the average IQ of university students. The average IQ of 114 (not 115) is in American university students. And that number isn’t in all estimates.

    Here is an article showing how average IQs in university students declines as the number of students increases:

    https://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/2021/05/phd-students-arent-what-they-used-to-be-either/

    “The increased uptake of course also means that the curriculum and associated exams must be continuously made easier for the students to keep up their pass rates.”

    A place with 55% university graduates is a place where a lot of university graduates are dumb. And indeed, everyone knows that in Russia there were certain institutes for dumb people and others for brilliant people.

    “A clever electrician or builder with an IQ of 110, who never attended a university, will still be smarter than office plankton with a degree in Business Administration with an IQ of 105.”

    You will never finish the Business Administration courses with an IQ of 105. There is a lot of difficult material to learn, such as higher mathematics and economics. You need at least 115-120 to get through it.

    Your idiocy continues.

    Average IQ by major:

    https://thetab.com/us/2017/04/10/which-major-has-highest-iq-64811#:~:text=Physics%2C%20Mathematical%20Sciences%20and%20Philosophy,out%20on%20top%20with%20133.

    Business Administration: 111.

    If the average is 111, this means that there are plenty of below average Business Administration majors with IQs of 105.

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    “When communism ended everybody was given title to the place where they happened to live. Nothing was stolen or taken. People living in Khrushchovky became owners of Khrushchovky – people who lived in million dollar flats became their owners. This was probably the least corrupt thing happening at that time, it actually was not corrupt at all.”

    Of course it was corrupt.

    During the Socialism these elite apartments were not gifted but given as an encouragement, to be used for a period of time, not to be owned

    All apartments were not private during Soviet times. The elite ones too. In this case the elite apartment was obtained in the beginning of the 1980s, during Soviet times. It was privatized along with the rest of the apartments in the USSR about 10 years later.

    Your extended family are those who are responsible for the theft and robbery of the nation in the following years – first privatizing an elite state property for free,

    The elite apartment was privatized no differently than modest ones were, and the person living there was not responsible for the specific policy of apartment privatization in which everyone, from elite to modest, got to own the place where they are living at the moment of privatization. Nothing was unethical in this situation. This wasn’t like the creation of the Soviet system which did involve mass theft and murder.

    then purchasing another million dollar flat with the rent money – doing absolutely nothing.

    You must not like investors who had good luck.

    They initiated an artificial economic crisis, brought the prices down, and then bought for a one tenth of the cost

    The crash of 1998 happened under Yeltsin, my relatives were out of government by then and were horrified by what happened in the 1990s and disgusted by Yeltsin’s team. They were naive and had hoped the 1980s reforms would result in a political-economic system like in Scandinavia. But the Sharikov population that was created by the Soviet system were not Swedes. They just stole and killed, as they were bound to do as a result of 70 years of Soviet demoralization.

    My relatives simply got the apartment where they had been living for years (like every other person did in the USSR), then rented it out, and were lucky to be ready to buy another one when the 1998 crash hit. Paid taxes. Engaged in no theft. Some of their peers became very rich. And a lot of people from all parts of society were stealing like crazy, many of those joined with the corrupt segments of the older elite to form the 90s elite. The nineties were, after all, the ultimate expression of the Soviet soul running free.

    You built your lives at the expense of the Soviet people, whom you are now despising.

    Subhuman Sharikov feels betrayed by his masters. How sad.

    “As for technological progress, everything would have happened sooner and without millions of dead, if time had not been wasted creating Sharikovs and otherwise constructing a new society through brutal Sovok methods.”

    Technological progress doesn’t happen, it’s a result of hard work

    Sovok Sharikov hates the Russian and Ukrainian people. He thinks that they needed to be ruled by brutal Bolsheviks in order to engage in the hard work of modernizing their country. While meanwhile everyone else modernized just fine without millions being killed.

    Didn’t take long for you to defend Stalinism. Your kind always do, in the end. Very predictable.

    Russia under the Tsars was progressing just fine and without mass murder. And every other country in Europe progressed fine with no mass murder necessary. But the excuse-maker for Stalin “thinks” that Russians and Ukrainians were such subhumans compared to other white people that they needed to be killed en masse in order to work hard and in order to achieve technological progress. Well, you called peasants “humanoid worms” didn’t you? Even though some kind peasants, not knowing the murderous viper in their presence, had gone fishing with you once.

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  118. @German_reader

    Cold War resulted in Russia/USSR/Warsaw pact having to do everything ourselves from high tech to simple products. Even then, despite friendly countries in Asia, Africa and South America – supply chains of raw materials or cheap produce involving these countries were very hard to set up because of the frequent death and chaos the west was fermenting in them.

    Intellectual population and own natural resources of Warsaw pact did great job at dealing with these problems…… but maybe this was about 40% of problems solved.

    Now its different. Russia, just like the USSR can solve many of the technological and product issues independently…..but different to then, there is China, possibly Turkey, hopefully India and other countries that can help neutralise most of the technology/product/investment /and intellectual hole created by the west moving out, and for which Russia can’t cover for ourselves. Supply chains of raw material and produce from 2nd/ 3rd world countries shouldn’t be much of a problem (shipping gangsterism from the west of Russian cargoes will easily be solved).

    Much of the blackmarket for good everyday or luxury Western products will be legalised by the state, so these will flood into Russia via China, via heavily corrupt and pathetic Ukraine, via Turkey and anywhere else.

    Construction industry machinery should not be too big a problem…. except in tunneling which traditionally South Korean or German TBM’s have been transferred. Turkey may be able to assist.

    Although we had many beautiful holidays in USSR, now we can still fly on holiday all around the world – Turkey of course, Egypt, Thailand, Dominican Republic, Vietnam, Seychelles, Bali….and Russians are still getting visas into the EU. There just won’t be any “iron curtain” type isolation of Russia.

    Fortunately, modern cinema is shit so from an entertainment perspective we aren’t missing much if big Hollywood films aren’t released over here, although certainly there is going to be huge trouble for our cinema chains and will be mass closures of them.

    Unlike worthless shithole banderastan, Russia have had all the major World music performers do concert over here. “western” Banderastan has basically had none of them LOL. Russian performers have been the most popular there anyway, despite many of them being banned since 2014. The true cold War of music concerts will be on Ukraine – with their youth not hearing western or Russian performers there. Ukraine concert list in other words….. will be identical to Latvia’s or Burkina Faso.

    Militirisation agenda, climate agenda AND globohomo agenda of the West should all be financially incompatible with each other, so I expect much of NATO militarism agenda to fail or get smashed by us anyway.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  119. S says:
    @songbird

    ..like the climax in the post-apocalyptic novel Lucifer’s Hammer, in which sensible people mount a last ditch defense, trying to protect the last surviving nuclear power plant against a cannibalistic group of multicult atomophobes, trying to destroy it.

    Without having read the novel, that sounds a bit reminescent of The Road Warrior. I imagine they were careful to have plenty of differentiation, though. Cool title.

    • Replies: @songbird
  120. @AP

    You personally prove that [Soviet education was superior] it wasn’t. Ignorant of basic historical facts, innumerate (how long did it take you to discover that my estimate of PISA-derived Russia IQ was correct), poor at logic (using the Moscow outlier without correction).

    Very funny, chimpanzee.

    Very amazing seeing how your narcissist brain manages to twist facts to seemingly fit your expectations.

    It took me seconds to calculate the ethnic Russian IQ with the corrections you proposed, but you were asked to explain how you arrived to that figure, which you were reluctant to do. Then you said it was a guess, and then you were given the correct number.

    You still don’t have any clue.

    Here is a test for you, and an opportunity to prove me wrong. Tell me what the standard IQ score would be for the PISA scores of 418, 625 and 566.

    You were even told how to do that and you couldn’t. You will probably have to write emails to your friends to help you figure it out. Here is a reminder for you – a PISA score has the mean of 500 and deviation 100, an IQ sore has the mean of 100 and deviation 15. Scale one to the other.

    Prove you are not that dumb.

    And regarding the historical facts. You, dumbass, started with claiming that the Cossack Hetmanate was an independent state. You left the thread when it was proven to be wrong. You keep doing it now, like a complete idiot.

    And regarding logic, dumbass. You are the one who was insisting that the IQ test versions for various countries were calibrated with varying degrees of difficulties, in order to bring them everywhere to the average score of 100.

    Even a complete idiot should understand that it would be an impossible task.

    As a Soviet creation, you are certainly nothing but a drunk man’s vomitus compared to me, a peasant, or any other human.

    You, a descendant of that so called Ukrainian gentry, should consider this.

    Most of that gentry were bastard children of the Polish landlords, who were impregnating teenage Ukrainian women, when passing through their villages, using the right of the first night.

    Your ancestors were bastards.

    Mine were not. So shut your stinking mouth up, you piece of Polish spermatozoid.

    As I have already told you, there are certainly better and smarter people here than me. You aren’t one of them though, Sharikov.

    You don’t have enough intelligence to estimate the difference. Your entire thinking process is emotional, like that of a woman. And what you have told me is worth less than a woman’s mumbling.

    I am glad that you claim that every Soviet person is a thief, because every Soviet person was granted title to the apartment he had happened to be living in when Sovietism ended.

    A Soviet person was given the apartment he had happened to be living in, but the people who were living in the elite state housing were not supposed to be given that much. The same as the state-owned houses in the pine forest near Moscow were not supposed to be privatized.

    Your family are a bunch of thieves.

    Probably that is the closest to the truth that you have gotten to in your life, humanoid worm.

    You have no idea what the truth is, and cannot even comprehend the concept of truth.

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    There you go again with your ignorance, this was Rus but not Muscovy-Russia, the most powerful magnates in these Rus lands were not Poles but Rus people, such as Jeremi Wiśniowiecki, whose son ascended the Polish throne. These Rus people had a long history of together with their Polish brothers fighting against Muscovites.

    A Polish Catholic, who had nothing to do with the Rus’.

    The Poles and the Lithuanians used the time when the Rus’ was weakened, facing the Mongol horde, and occupied a large portion of the Rus’ land.

    Later the Rus’ gathered strenght, and drove out the Mongols and the Poles as well. Liberated its land.

    You can continue masturbate on that old map.

    But now Russia is back again, and these Polish fantasies about the Intermarium will never materialize. You bitches will be beaten, and will learn your place once again.

    The victories Russian soldiers marched through the Triumphal Arch in Paris, raised their flag in Berlin. You are little punk ass bitches with a big mouth, incapable of any organized activity whatsoever. You will be beaten with a bitch slap.

    The relatively primitive Muscovites got their culture from those Rus people who had origins in the civilized Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth, the beacon of light in those dark places. Their literature came from Gogol and their classical musical tradition came from people like Berezovsky and Bortniansky.

    Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth – a bunch of primitive savages.

    Even the smaller but genuine nations around them contributed to the world a lot more. The Romanians had Enescu the Hungarians had Bartok. The Poles and Lithuanians had magnates – the exploiters of people, incapable of creating anything worth remembering.

    Nikolai Gogol’s father wrote literature and staged plays in the Ukrainian language. I’m not sure if anything written by Nikolai Gogol in Ukrainian survives but you are a fool if you think that he had never written anything in the Ukrainian language.

    Nikolai Gogol’s father ain’t shit. He is known as nothing but Nikolai Gogol’s father.

    Nikolai Gogol himself never wrote a thing in Ukrainian, and you are a fool if you believe that he did even though you are not sure of that. You are a fool in any case.

    Fool.

    Dostoyevsky’s father Mikhail was born and grew up in the Right Bank of central Ukraine. Thus, Fyodor Dostoyevsky was half-Ukrainian.

    There was no Ukraine, you sick idiot. No Ukraine, no such thing, no such entity, not even such a name on the map. He was born in Russia and was a Russian.

    There were a small number of Russians living in small cities. Administration by them was rudimentary and unnecessary in the region. The farms weren’t run by the urban administrators and the farms were more important than the cities in the rural regions.

    Most cities in what is now Ukraine were founded and built by the Russians. Some were founded and built by the Poles, some by the Lithuanians. There are no cities in what is now Ukraine, founded and built by the Ukrainians.

    This artificial nation of peasants, spending their lives picking potatoes, with their asses pointed to the skies, is incapable of building anything more complicated than a village.

    You were never meant to have a state, never had what it takes to maintain one. You are not even a real nation, and not even a real ethnos. You are nothing, but a bunch of bastards with IQ below average.

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  121. @Gerard1234

    Even under the Iron Curtain, we had school trips to see Moscow and Leningrad (showing my age there!) from my English school.

  122. @LondonBob

    It’s more a case of “if we have to, in order that our people don’t freeze”.

    At the moment we are pumping gas to Europe as fast as we can do it. Basically the UK and Spain are the countries with big terminals for receiving liquified natural gas (LNG) from places like the Gulf.

    https://jpt.spe.org/uks-lng-infrastructure-export-pipelines-offer-europe-a-bridge-to-energy-security

    “The UK has been a net importer of gas since 2005, covering 50% of demand with its own production from the North and Irish Seas plus associated petroleum gas from oil fields.

    Norway supplies about 30% of UK imports via pipeline, with LNG from Qatar, the US, and Russia accounting for a bit more than 15%, according to the Outlook.

    Any surplus gas in the system can then be exported to Europe via the BBL pipeline to the Netherlands (Bacton to Balgzand) or through the Interconnector pipeline to Belgium (Bacton to Zeebrugge.) The ability to regasify LNG from anywhere in the world and then deliver it to Europe by pipeline makes Britain an “energy bridge” that can wean Europe off Russian energy while longer-term solutions are put into place.

    This summer, UK gas exports to the EU could reach 5.1 Bcm, far beyond the volumes of 2021, when exports totaled only 0.7 Bcm because cold summers had drawn down the UK’s gas reserves, according to National Grid which noted that the increased exports are to be based on “commercial agreements” as opposed to intergovernmental agreements.

    LNG is expected to play a major role in boosting EU gas supplies from new sources globally, with more cargos directed in the near term to the UK’s three regasification terminals—Grain LNG (the UK’s largest) on the Thames Estuary, Kent; and the South Hook and Dragon regasification terminals in Wales.”

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
  123. Sean says:
    @Mikhail

    Ukraine would need a hundred HIMARS rocket artillery systems (with concomitantly massive amounts of ammunition for them) to stop the Russian army now. There would be no telling how Putin would react to that level of supply, which why the West is not going to do it. Ukraine is going to be slowly driven back and Western weapons will be forthcoming in such quality and quantity to to keep them thinking they are on the verge of getting full support, which will never come. Eventually Ukraine will agree to settle after losing about half its territory and a hundred thousand men killed.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
  124. LondonBob says:
    @German_reader

    Being willfully ignorant again.

    https://www.readthemaple.com/yes-the-ukraine-war-could-have-been-prevented/

    Anyway states are like crime families, they slaughter each other, then stop, and business as usual restarts.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  125. Wielgus says:

    Vzglyad Russian website – Deepl translation – edited

    British officer forced out a Ukrainian family with many children
    3 July 2022, 07:59 Text: Anton Nikitin

    A British officer has kicked out a Ukrainian refugee family with five children, whom he had previously sheltered in his home, The Daily Mail reports.

    The incident took place in the town of Fareham in Hampshire. The family of nine, including five children and two elderly women, found themselves in the UK after two months of living in Poland, RIA Novosti reported.

    According to the head of the family, Maxim Hirik, residents of Fareham Dudley and Kelly Malster agreed to shelter them under a government programme in a small house that they inherited from a deceased relative. According to the Kiev resident, their hosts initially treated them with warmth and hospitality, and even met them on their arrival at the local airport.

    However, a few weeks ago, without any warning, the Malsters terminated the accommodation agreement and the refugees were given until July 15 to leave the house. Speaking to the publication, Hirik said his relatives were “a bit angry” and “very upset” by the British decision.

    “They just stopped talking to us and we received a letter saying we were being evicted They have also cut off the internet, so it is difficult for us to email and communicate. The landlord is heartless,” stated the Ukrainian. According to the man, his family is keen to stay in Fareham, as here they can “start life anew”, with “no way back to Ukraine”.

    As journalists have discovered, 40-year-old homeowner Dudley Malster is a senior officer in the Royal Navy with 20 years’ experience, having served in Afghanistan, Bahrain, as well as being involved in providing overseas travel for the royal family. The Briton has two children.

    Hampshire County Council told the Ukrainians it was looking for a new home for them, while warning that the refugees could end up in a hotel many miles away from their last accommodation. Hirik himself said he had contacted five local estate agents, but they, on hearing about his family, “just said ‘no’ and hung up”.

    “The private landlords are demanding six months’ rent in advance before they even start considering us. I hope we can achieve our goal and it will give us a chance to at least try to get our place,” said the Kiev man. As a result, the family was able to raise part of the money for the rent through crowdfunding. At the same time, the Malsters did not comment on their decision regarding the refugees.

    Earlier, Warsaw Mayor Rafal Trzaskowski told Russian pranksters Vladimir Kuznetsov and Aleksey Stolyarov (Vovan and Lexus) about the failure of the programme for the reception of Ukrainian refugees. The Vzglyad newspaper discussed why Europe is fed up with spongers from Ukraine.

    Translated with http://www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)

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  126. Sean says:
    @Mikhail

    The so called Normandy Process in which Germany and France brokered a deal to begin inactment of Minsk stalled in 2015 because Poroshenko had signed it with no intention of honoring it. Post 2014 millions of ethnic Russian voters had been eliminated from Ukrainian elections, yet Zelensky still won the presidency by promising peace, which could only mean accepting a deal based on Minsk. Germany, France and perhaps even Americans (not counting McCain & company) thought the deal was the way forward for Ukraine. In 2019 Normandy format negotiation were restated by Zelensky, France and Germany participated along with Russian and Ukrainian diplomats. American diplomats were happy enough when Zelensky and he agreed to the ‘Steinmeier formula’, which stipulated elections to be held in the separatist region without a full Russian withdrawal would be recognized as legitimate by Kiev.

    However there was opposition; members of Azov participated in the “All-Ukrainian Chamber Stop Capitulation” demonstration, which was supported by ex president Poroshenko, who has proven skills overthrowing elected presidents by means of mass protests, and who Zelensky had shockingly defeated in the election. Zelensky retreated back out of the deal, and is dubious that American diplomats / Deep State were was happy about Zelensky’s turn to a more confrontational approach. Ukrainian government had that impression.

    When all was said and done Ukraine was not a member of Nato, and had no real protection from attack through Charter Five. According to POW interviews, it was in mid 2021 that the Russian started training for a Crimea style rapid occupation, so by then Putin started to think such an operation was going to be necessary. Use of advanced US weapons in Donbas during late 2021 made up his mind. Obama had denied Ukraine weapon and Trump ought to have as well.

    It has been Poroshenko all along, he was important in the Orange revolution and instrumental in the events of 2014 which provoked Putin to use force, hired Biden’s son, got Trump to agree to supply weapons, and finally he prevented an agreement in 2019. Too focused on outmaneuvering Poroshenko in domestic politics (including by arraigning him on twenty charges including treason), Zelensky did not see the danger in trying to face down Putin without full Nato membership. What public cast iron guarantees of an army coming to Ukraine’s aid in the event of hostilities did Zelensky have?; nobody is going to sign up to fight Russia. Poroshenko says it was to play for time but time had run out. Ukraine was never going to be given back Crimea, which was historically and demographically Russian anyway. Zelensky would have had to give two and a half percent of Ukraine held by separatists in the Donbass autonomy within Ukraine and the fighting would be over. Zelensky is in fact willing to settle for that now, but Ukraine will not be able to drive the Russians back to the two and a half percent and the West is scared to do it by supplying Ukraine with masses of missiles, nor will it get Russia to do it by sanctions. Russia is going to end up in control of 50 -70% of Ukraine before the generals prevail on Zelensky.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  127. German_reader says:
    @LondonBob

    Being willfully ignorant again.

    https://www.readthemaple.com/yes-the-ukraine-war-could-have-been-prevented/

    I don’t really disagree with the article, but there’s nothing in it about what sort of peace deal would be offered by Russia now. If it’s something like recognition of Crimea, referenda in Donbass on a district basis and Ukrainian neutrality (not precluding relations with the EU and maintenance of strong Ukrainian armed forces), I’d say Ukraine should take it, but my impression is nobody really knows if Russia’s goals aren’t vastly more expansive. Are the preliminary steps for annexation of Kherson and other territories merely meant to build up pressure for negotiations, or is Russia intent on annexing vast territories anyway?

    Anyway states are like crime families, they slaughter each other, then stop, and business as usual restarts.

    That may have been true in 18th/19th century Europe, but misses the ideological dimension to the West as it has evolved since WW1. When you think Putin belongs in a war crimes court, there’s not really much scope for negotiation. I’m personally not a fan of that mindset, imo it’s only going to make things worse, but it’s a powerful factor.

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    , @LondonBob
  128. S says:
    @songbird

    That was horrible. Was it only the women of England who got the slight reprieve of being strangled first, before being burned, or, were the English men given that mercy as well?

  129. @AP

    Stupid Ukrainian ape.

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    She has a Bachelor’s degree only. Her post contains various discredited ideas such as Gardner’s multiple intelligences theory. She is selling a product that claims to increase intelligence. A stupid Sharikov such as you bought her sales pitch.

    As usual, when having nothing to refute the argument, a bitch is starting to resort to personal attacks.

    Read on, woman.

    https://books.google.de/books?id=IA8VkJHjPH4C&lpg=PA29&ots=dvLJdGIBoB&dq=Israel%2C%20children%20with%20European-Jewish%20heritage%20have%20an%20average%20IQ%20of%20105%2C%20Middle-Eastern%20Jewish%20heritage%20have%20an%20average%20IQ%20of%20only%2085.%20Yet%2C%20when%20raised%20on%20a%20kibbutz%2C%20both%20groups%20have%20an%20average%20IQ%20of%20115.&pg=PA29#v=onepage&q&f=true

    She referenced a real research, and it doesn’t matter what degree she has.

    Your idiocy continues. If the average is 111, this means that there are plenty of below average Business Administration majors with IQs of 105.

    That may be true for your shithole country, and not true for another country – not a shithole country, such as your country, but a normal country, such as for example Russia, where this faculty is called economics. Even in your shithole country it requires 128, according to your own reference.

    A shit for brain like you would be kicked out of there in a matter of a year.

    Amazing it is, that Health and Medical sciences in your shithole country requires 111 to get in. That explains a lot – a mediocre at best person, such as you, with a doctor’s licence – which is impossible in a normal country.

    All apartments were not private during Soviet times. The elite ones too. In this case the elite apartment was obtained in the beginning of the 1980s, during Soviet times. It was privatized along with the rest of the apartments in the USSR about 10 years later.

    What an insolent piece of shit – telling me what was and what wasn’t in my own country.

    My grandparents owned a private house in the city. One could own a house or an apartment during the Soviet times. You could not own an apartment in a social building, but could purchase an apartment in a cooperative building. And all detached houses were in private ownership.

    The elite apartment was privatized no differently than modest ones were, and the person living there was not responsible for the specific policy of apartment privatization in which everyone, from elite to modest, got to own the place where they are living at the moment of privatization. Nothing was unethical in this situation.

    Of course, nothing unethical in this situation – a bunch of traitorous commies, stealing the national wealth – really, there’s nothing unethical in this situation.

    You must not like investors who had good luck.

    That was not good luck. Your ilk destroyed the entire country, caused an immense economic crisis, and then bought out the national wealth for a fraction of the cost. You were the only ones who benefited from that.

    My relatives were out of government by then and were horrified by what happened. They were naive and had hoped the reforms would result in a political-economic system like in Scandinavia. But the Sharikov population that was created by the Soviet system were not Swedes.

    Your relatives were not naive – they were stupid, like you. They were the collective Sharikov, created by the collective Schwonder – peasant scum from Ukraine, put into positions of power. They should have never been given passports.

    My relatives simply got the apartment where they had been living, then rented it out, and were lucky to be ready to buy another one when the 1998 crash hit.

    They weren’t supposed to get that apartment. They were supposed to be given one of the equal size in a regular building, in a regular neighborhood.

    Even a retard is supposed to understand that giving to a commie son of a bitch an apartment like that, in the historical centre of the capital, is corruption. Your commie family never deserved to even live in an apartment like that, let alone own it.

    Some of their peers became very rich. The nineties were, after all, the ultimate expression of the Soviet soul running free.

    And the twenties in the US were the expression of the Yankee soul, running free. Excellent logic, doctor.

    Sovok Sharikov hates the Russian and Ukrainian people. He thinks that they needed to be ruled by brutal Bolsheviks in order to engage in the hard work of modernizing their country. While meanwhile everyone else modernized just fine without millions being killed.

    Everyone else didn’t have to face the challenges that the Russians had to overcome. Everyone else didn’t achieve as much as the Russians did. Even the US had not achieved as much as the Soviet people had.

    Having lost 30 million people and a half of their country ruined, the Soviet people sent a man into space fifteen years after that. Rebuilt their factories and built new homes for the people in twenty years.

    The Soviet people were producing great art even during the war, and much ore after that. Some of the best cinematography and literature in the world were produced in the USSR, by the Soviet people.

    Didn’t take long for you to defend Stalinism. Your kind always do, in the end. Very predictable.

    Stalin was no different from Peter the Great or Ivan the Terrible. Their methods were brutal, but their ahievements were great.

    The same as a person has to push himself in order to accomplish something very difficult, so has a nation. The resulting brutality is a side effect of such a high degree of consolidation, and of the effort applied.

    Russia under the Tsars was progressing fine and without mass murder. And every other country in Europe progressed fine with no mass murder necessary. But the excuse-maker for Stalin “thinks” that Russians and Ukrainians were such subhumans compared to other white people that they needed to be killed en masse in order to work hard and in order to achieve technological progress.

    You don’t know even the basic facts of the Russian history, you ignorant Ukrainian idiot.

    In 1915 life expectancy was 34 years. By 1926 life expectancy had reached 31 years. In 1930 it was 38 years, in 1940 41 years, ten years later – 50 years, ten years after that – 65 years.

    Before the revolution from 1845 to 1915 the average life expectancy in Russia was 30 years.

    In 1897, the overall literacy rate of the Russian Empire was an estimated 24%, with the rural literacy rate at 19.7%.

    In 1926 51% of the population over the age of 10 had achieved literacy. By 1937, according to census data, the literacy rate was 75%. According to the 1939 Soviet Census, literate people were 89.7%. During the 1950s, the Soviet Union had become a country of 100% literacy.

    You are simply an ignorant Ukrainian fool.

    The Americans had to have a civil war in order to consolidate the nation. Their war was not any less brutal and bloody than the Russian civil war.

    The Spanish had lived under a fascist dictatorship for decades. And so did the Greeks. Don’t forget about Hitler. And about Argentina and Chile.

    Your shithole of a country is a police dictatorship with an unpayable debt put on the shoulders of the future generation, and the Russian people had paid their debt a long time ago, despite all odds.

    Well, you called peasants “humanoid worms” didn’t you? Even though some kind peasants, not knowing the murderous viper in their presence, had gone fishing with you once.

    A person given a chance to make something better of himself has to take this chance. Those who prefer to spend their life digging the earth are humanoid worms. That’s a metaphor, doctor – another concept unfamiliar to a dumbass like you.

    Hello.

    • Replies: @AP
  130. Sean says:
    @Wielgus

    The family has special needs children. Two of the ten most expensive towns in Britain are in Hampshire. In Britain you don’t need to pay a bribe to the receptionist to get a doctor’s appointment; and there is all sort of free state of the art treatment available for people with intractable condition like schizophrenia or autism. Many foreigners from countries like Pakistan fly in and dump their relatives with these problems in Britain. People with a large family are entitled to ail sorts of benefits and grants. There is an abundance of work in the industries that cannot be outsourced (services and especially construction). Ukrainians were already working all over Britain on construction sites and being paid under the table. What Boris Johnson has just promised Ukraine in aid as the latest installment would pay for two major hospitals.

  131. @Sean

    Russia is going to end up in control of 50 -70% of Ukraine before the generals prevail on Zelensky.

    Where is this glimmer of realism coming from? Did the bosses change marching orders?

    Anyway, considering that the most pigheaded Ukie Nazis are sent to their hero Bandera by hundreds per day in Donbass, and that many NATO countries are getting low on weapons and ammo, whereas Russia shows no sign of shortage, even your “realism” is not only late, but not very realistic. If RF decides to leave a token “Ukraine” (that’s a big if, getting bigger with every Ukie shelling of Russian territory), it won’t be much bigger and much more developed than the pathetic “Ukraine” Khmelnitsky “united” with Russia in 1654. FYI, it was maybe 1/6th of current territory. The rest were gifts from tsars, Lenin, Stalin, and Khrushchev. It became clear that the recipients do not deserve those gifts, so they will be taken back.

    • Replies: @Sean
  132. S says:

    A lot of reports, once again, of Slovakia possibly sending Mig 29’s to Ukraine. They are not saying they will, but, that ‘they can’, now that their neighbor has agreed to protect Slovakia’s air space while they await modern US replacement aircraft.

    A trial balloon to see what kind of response there might be, it could be supposed…

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  133. AP says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    And regarding the historical facts. You, dumbass, started with claiming that the Cossack Hetmanate was an independent state. You left the thread when it was proven to be wrong.

    I left the thread because moderation took a while on that blog and the article was old. So I have proven you wrong here:

    1. Ukraine was recognized as independent and sovereign under its ruler Khmelnytsky by foreign powers.

    2. Ukraine had all the attributes of a sovereign state (army, laws, own supreme ruler on its territory).

    You had nothing to contradict it, so you brought up some old discussion which I left because one had to wait for moderation and it was an old article.

    “You, a descendant of that so called Ukrainian gentry, should consider this.”

    Most of that gentry were bastard children of the Polish landlords

    Sharikov thinks everyone is as immoral and as debauched as Soviets like his Soviet ancestors.

    when passing through their villages, using the right of the first night.

    Sharikov believes fairytales that he was taught. That was a myth used by later writers.

    Your ancestors were bastards.

    Sharikov tries to bark, again.

    No, my people were not immoral Soviet savages.

    Petty gentry in Ukraine were mostly descendants of boyar families, knights invited to settle the lands, or Varangian druzhyna who had accompanied the princes from the North in order to help rule over the Eastern Slavs. Our paternal family legend was the latter and it was confirmed by genetic testing, showing origins in Novgorod-Pskov area with a lot of relatives in Norway (fewer in Sweden, interestingly). Occasionally commoners were ennobled for some service, such as in battle. I have ancestors from all of these groups.

    The Magnates in Ukraine were largely Rurikids and other Rus, and some Slavicized Lithuanians.

    Now Sharikov will regurgitate Soviet historical myths and will have them corrected:

    “There you go again with your ignorance, this was Rus but not Muscovy-Russia, the most powerful magnates in these Rus lands were not Poles but Rus people, such as Jeremi Wiśniowiecki, whose son ascended the Polish throne. These Rus people had a long history of together with their Polish brothers fighting against Muscovites.”

    A Polish Catholic, who had nothing to do with the Rus’.

    Jeremi Wiśniowiecki was a Rurikid prince, his conversion to Catholicism from Orthodoxy as an adult did not erase this fact. He was the legitimate ruler of the Ukrainian lands, not some partially-Tatar Muscovite. He built numerous towns in Ukraine.

    The Poles and the Lithuanians used the time when the Rus’ was weakened, facing the Mongol horde, and occupied a large portion of the Rus’ land.

    The Rus lands were controlled by indigenous Rus princes from families such as Ostrogski, Wiśniowiecki and Sapieha. They not only controlled their own lands but steered the Eastern policy of the entire Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. An ignorant Sharikov such as you just believes the fairytales fed into your poor head, about some kind of foreign rule. Lol.

    Later the Rus’ gathered strenght, and drove out the Mongols and the Poles as well.

    Khmelytsky committed treason, allied with the Tatars and split the PLC. Muscovites took advantage of this internal problem. Ukraine has suffered as a result of Khmelnytsky’s treason.

    The victories Russian soldiers marched through the Triumphal Arch in Paris, raised their flag in Berlin

    Indeed, the transfer of Ukraine to Russia altered the balance of power and enabled Russia to score some victories. That has been undone now. No more such victories, savages.

    “The relatively primitive Muscovites got their culture from those Rus people who had origins in the civilized Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth, the beacon of light in those dark places. Their literature came from Gogol and their classical musical tradition came from people like Berezovsky and Bortniansky.”

    Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth – a bunch of primitive savages.

    Sharikov thinks something else. Cute. The beauty of places such as Krakow, Zamosc, Lviv, the churches and palaces, contradict your claim.

    Here is a chart from this blog of numeracy over the years; there is no data for mass literacy but this is a good stand-in for it:

    Until Poland stagnated in the 18th century it was well ahead of savage Moscow. No data from Ukraine at that time but the trend line suggests that it was between Russia and Poland in the 17th century.

    The Hetmanate, particularly its earlier years, was the child of the PLC. Contrast Mazepa as described in French diplomat Jean Baluse’s memoirs:

    “At his court he has two German doctors, with whom he converses in their tongue; to the Italian masters of whom there are several in the castle, he speaks in the Italian language. I spoke with the master of Ukraine in the Latin language, inasmuch he assured me that he was not very fluent in French…I do not know if this statement of his concealed a special motive, for I myself saw French and Dutch newspapers in his study.”

    With Peter’s court as described by Danish envoy Just:

    “Prince Menshikov, a figure second to the tsar, could neither read nor write. Chancellor Golovkin knew no language but Russian; not a single one of the tsar’s dignitaries could speak Latin, with the exception of Musin-Pushkin, who was fluent in that language. Even Tsar Peter, whose ‘enlightenment’ was widely known, spoke only one Western European language, namely Dutch, and even here the tsar had difficulty in making himself understood.”

    Just described how all of the teachers at the Moscow gymnasium were either Ukrainians or Byelorussians (“Orthodox from Poland”).

    The ordinary monks in the Pecherska Lavra spoke fluently with him in Latin. He was greatly surprised to see the Ukrainian peasants in many villages going to church with prayer books, suggesting that they were literate.

    Nikolai Gogol himself never wrote a thing in Ukrainian

    A quick google search indicates that he wrote a letter in Ukrainian to his fiend Josef
    Bohdan Zaleski (a Polish Ukrainophile) in 1837, signed with the Ukrainian-language version of his name (Mykola).

    “Dostoyevsky’s father Mikhail was born and grew up in the Right Bank of central Ukraine. Thus, Fyodor Dostoyevsky was half-Ukrainian.”

    There was no Ukraine, you sick idiot. No Ukraine, no such thing, no such entity, not even such a name on the map

    Dostoyevsky’s father was born in Ukraine and was the son of a Greek Catholic priest. He was a minor Ukrainian nobleman (the family had come to Ukraine from Belarus a century or two earlier). Thus Dostoyevsky was half-Ukrainian, like Gogol the product of the PLC.

    Here is a map from the 17th century showing “Ukraine”:

    Tell me Sharikov, did the 17th century come before the 18th?

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    Most cities in what is now Ukraine were founded and built by the Russians.

    No, only the ones in the far south and east. And they were small towns and cities before the Ukrainians moved in from the surrounding countryside. And those Russians who had founded those towns, had nothing to do with Sovoks like you, Sharikov. Your ancestors’ team killed them all or drove them into exile when you stole their properties.

    This artificial nation of peasants, spending their lives picking potatoes, with their asses pointed to the skies, is incapable of building anything more complicated than a village.

    Only your Soviet nation is artificial, Sharikov. The Ukrainians despite being outnumbered 4.5:1 by the Russians in population are still holding off the Russians. If there were only half as many Ukrainians as there are Russians, Ukrainians would probably be on the way to taking Moscow by now.

    :::::::::::::

    It took me seconds to calculate the ethnic Russian IQ with the corrections you proposed,

    It took you two posts to figure out that those corrections were necessary, Sharikov.

    You had actually believed that your sample in which 20% were very smart Muscovites was a valid representation of the Russian average IQ when in reality smart Muscovites were only 10% of the Russian population and a sample of 20% Muscovites would skew the results upward.

    I had to explain it to you more than once for you to understand and make the calculations.

    My guess was 100.5. The number you calculated after 2 days or whatever, was 100.4.

    Sharikov is slow.

    You are the one who was insisting that the IQ test versions for various countries were calibrated with varying degrees of difficulties, in order to bring them everywhere to the average score of 100.

    LOL, so dumb Sharikov still “thinks” that countries do not have their own IQ standardization but are on some universal standard. The average IQ within the USA is 100, within the UK is 100, within Canada is 100, and so on. Each of these countries has its own norm. So an American with an IQ of 100 has the mean IQ for the USA, it would be lower if he took a Canadian test.

    You still don’t have any clue.

    Here is a test for you, and an opportunity to prove me wrong. Tell me what the standard IQ score would be for the PISA scores of 418, 625 and 566.

    You were even told how to do that and you couldn’t.

    I did it 2 days before you did.

    I don’t need to do calculations in this case, that is for Sharikovs, my estimates are accurate enough. I’d estimate 89, 118, and 110.

    I am glad that you claim that every Soviet person is a thief, because every Soviet person was granted title to the apartment he had happened to be living in when Sovietism ended.”

    A Soviet person was given the apartment he had happened to be living in, but the people who were living in the elite state housing were not supposed to be given that much. The same as the state-owned houses in the pine forest near Moscow were not supposed to be privatized.

    They were not expected to be homeless. The place where they lived full time became theirs, as with everyone else. It was no different, except the place was nicer because they were more important.

    However the entire system was based on theft, and everyone involved including your ancestors shared in that theft and murder. In Poland they are returning properties to the pre-Communist owners or compensating them if doing so is impossible. Russia doesn’t do the same – why would they, because post-90s Russia is a purely Soviet creation.

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  134. Beckow says:
    @AP

    …After February 24th the Russians started grabbing territory where the majority of the population did not want to be part of Russia. This is bad.

    Let’s see: Mariupol – people were almost all Russians and videos showed them welcoming what they thought of as “liberation”. Lisichansk – the same. Kherson: thousands have lined up to get Russian passports, the demo against ‘occupants’ attracted a puny crowd of a few hundred.

    But I get your point: there are definitely areas where the local population is not pro-Russian and even some where people are violently anti-Russian. It is just that your silly “numbers” – 10%, or 2% – are unverifiable, likely way off, and not supported by other data we have.

    You can’t poll in the middle of the war. We simply don’t know, and I suspect majority of Ukrainians also don’t know precisely where they stand. When the war is over we will find out. Until then, the only hard data we have are pre-war elections and censuses. And the ad-hoc testimonies from both sides that may or may not be representative.

    I think whoever wins and controls the territory will have a huge boost in popularity. That’s why winning is now all that matters.

    Your blase attitude toward the Russian population is very un-European. Even if they would be only 10% – and they are not – minority and linguistic rights in Europe are not based on percentages: any ethnic group that has its own language and culture MUST HAVE those rights. Even if there would be only 10k of them. But you are not a European and never will be so telling you this is a waste. That’s why rump-Ukraine (no matter how small) will not be in EU. You need to choose: nationalist hysteria and hatred, or Europe. It is one or the other.

    • Replies: @AP
  135. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Sean

    Ukraine would need a hundred HIMARS rocket artillery systems (with concomitantly massive amounts of ammunition for them) to stop the Russian army now. There would be no telling how Putin would react to that level of supply, which why the West is not going to do it. Ukraine is going to be slowly driven back and Western weapons will be forthcoming in such quality and quantity to to keep them thinking they are on the verge of getting full support, which will never come. Eventually Ukraine will agree to settle after losing about half its territory and a hundred thousand men killed.

    Could happen, unless there’s a strong civilian revolt with the backing of some influential others.

  136. @Ron Unz

    jew sachs confirms jew unz’s theory, based on “smoking gun evidence” from of jew israel that goy pompeo and/or goy bolton launched a goy american biowarfare attack against the innocent, unsuspecting chinese in the form of covid. who could doubt it?

    what we’re actually witnessing is the treason of jewish americans signaling to the chinese, whom they view sympathetically as fellow high iqers whom nature has made fit to rule relatively dumb white goyim, that they are willing to cut a deal and throw their fellow goy americans under the bus if the chinese allow them to maintain their privileged and moneyed ruling-class position in american society.

    the polish nobility (szlachta) cut a similar deal with the jews, allowing the jews to lord it over and violently extract resources from the polish peasantry as long as the jews gave a large share of their ill-gotten gains to the polish nobility.

  137. songbird says:
    @German_reader

    Wish I had people to do my gruntwork.

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    Found something today so good that I’d seriously think about writing it up and submitting it to a journal, at least, if I could find primary sources that bear it out, and if I knew how to write up such things formally.

    What is my source you ask? A wiki page about a person I never heard of before today, and which mentions a place I never heard of before today either. With the most important notes for my purposes being ones that don’t link to actual books. Might even be local legend, but otherwise it is very specific and contains nearly the whole story, to which I would only add a small piece, which seems staggeringly obvious.

    Anyway, I might just be a loon, but if I turned out to be right about this, I’d probably reflexively punch anyone who badmouthed wikipedia out of nationalistic feelings and habit, for the rest of my life.

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  138. songbird says:
    @S

    Published in 1977, four years before Road Warrior. To my mind, the two things don’t really evoke each other so much. Road Warrior, IIRC, is kind of vague on the cause of the apocalypse. LH is about a comet hitting earth. Its protagonists don’t really evoke Gibson’s character.

    It’s a good story, you should read the wiki plot description, if you don’t mind the spoilers:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer’s_Hammer#Plot_summary

    I’ve been wanting them to turn it into a movie. Cut some of the PC stuff out (there is a black astronaut on the good guys’ team), and put these guys in as part of the villains:

    Along with some woke whites and political operatives, which is really not too far off from the plot, but has better aesthetics. It suppose they would just add more politically correct stuff today. Make it a solar farm, and the villains KKK members.

    Was it only the women of England who got the slight reprieve of being strangled first, before being burned, or, were the English men given that mercy as well?

    No idea about this, but it was an ecclesiastic court, so different from state authority.

  139. songbird says:

    I should like to put Dmitry to the test and see whether he can tell an MP3 from a FLAC, by ear, in a doubleblind experiment.

  140. Ron Unz says:
    @Sean

    Here is a level headed expert opinion that palls all the evidence together.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/25/opinion/coronavirus-lab.html

    Of course I read that 2021 article in the NYT, along with the many far more substantial articles I’d read on the subject. Her piece warranted only very brief remarks:

    In late June, Zeynep Tufekci, one of their opinion columnists, published a 5,500 word article harshly criticizing China and arguing that the global epidemic had probably been the consequence of a Chinese lab-leak. Prof. Tufekci’s field of study was sociology rather than the biological sciences and her expertise lay in social media, but the appearance of her long piece surely reflected a seismic shift in the views of her top editors.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-covid-epidemic-as-lab-leak-or-biowarfare/#the-alleged-wuhan-lab-leak-and-its-scientific-skeptics

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  141. Mr. Hack says:
    @AP

    You should take some pride in knowing that the “Sharikov” model is the newest and most advanced Russian troll developed and put into production. Still, he doesn’t seem to be doing very well. His sole objective is to try and take you down, which means that you must be considered to be quite important on somebody’s top ten list. I think if they keep developing such models, they might start to approach your acuity in another 10 to 12 generations. Maybe in another 25 years? I think that you’ll be fully retired by then…

    I think that kremlinstoogeA123 is an experimental model taking correspondence school courses. He should be done with a diploma in about 6 months – he seems to be a quick study. 🙂

  142. Ron Unz says:

    For anyone interested, after a day or two the short clip of Jeffrey Sachs’ remarks on the origins of Covid has now been retweeted more than 9,000 times producing over 800,000 views of the video.

    I think those are the sorts of metrics that Donald Trump or Elon Musk might get on Twitter, and I’ve just released a new column about his potentially important development:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/9000-retweets-and-800000-video-views/

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  143. AP says:
    @Beckow

    Let’s see: Mariupol – people were almost all Russians and videos showed them welcoming what they thought of as “liberation”.

    In 2002 the city was 44% Russian but after 2014 it dropped to 33% Russian (in Donbas, many Russians moved to Russia or Donetsk after 2014).

    If around 10% of the city’s 440,00 people supported the Russian invasion, this would represent around 44,000 people. So one could easily find a few hundred of these people for a pro-Russian demonstration.

    Kherson: thousands have lined up to get Russian passports

    Apparently those are necessary to get money and stuff. Out of 300,000, other than a few thousand most of the population refused to get Russian passports despite the hardships associated with such refusal.

    This was one of the pro-Ukrainian protests in occupied Kherson. Eventually the Russian occupiers shut them down. You can see the number of people at about :58. Probably over a thousand:

    Contrast with the pro-Russian demonstration in Kherson, where despite strong encouragement by the authorities and a well-funded stage, only perhaps a hundred or so showed up:

    Czechs were more enthusiastic about German occupiers than Kherson people were about Russian ones.

    I think whoever wins and controls the territory will have a huge boost in popularity.

    Are Russians popular in Kherson?

    Random partisans have started killing Russian activists there now.

    Your blase attitude toward the Russian population is very un-European

    Are Russians popular in Europe?

    You have been desperately trying to convince us that Europe is always on an anti-Russian crusade but now you claim that Ukraine’s policies that Russian nationalists don’t like are “un-European.”

    Were you lying then, or are you lying now?

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    , @Gerard1234
  144. S says:
    @songbird

    Yeah, it’s different. I’d never heard of it before. He had good timing publishing it in 1977. If he had finished the book after Three Mile Island in 1979 he might not of got it published.

    I’d suspect it was the nuclear power friendly part of the book the Yamamoto person was referencing at the Wiki entry when she said the ‘pro-technology’ aspect of the book might turn some people off of it, though she liked the story overall.

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  145. AP says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    As usual, when having nothing to refute the argument, a bitch is starting to resort to personal attacks.

    Read on, woman.

    https://books.google.de/books?id=IA8VkJHjPH4C&lpg=PA29&ots=dvLJdGIBoB&dq=Israel%2C%20children%20with%20European-Jewish%20heritage%20have%20an%20average%20IQ%20of%20105%2C%20Middle-Eastern%20Jewish%20heritage%20have%20an%20average%20IQ%20of%20only%2085.%20Yet%2C%20when%20raised%20on%20a%20kibbutz%2C%20both%20groups%20have%20an%20average%20IQ%20of%20115.&pg=PA29#v=onepage&q&f=true

    She referenced a real research, and it doesn’t matter what degree she has.

    Because she is no academic, she thought the obsolete and debunked work from 1971 she referenced, was proof of something. You were dumb enough to make the same mistake. Congratulations.

    Your idiocy continues. If the average is 111, this means that there are plenty of below average Business Administration majors with IQs of 105.

    That may be true for your shithole country, and not true for another country – not a shithole country, such as your country, but a normal country, such as for example Russia

    By all metrics except number of third worlders allowed in, Russia is inferior to the USA.

    Amazing it is, that Health and Medical sciences in your shithole country requires 111 to get in. That explains a lot – a mediocre at best person, such as you, with a doctor’s licence – which is impossible in a normal country.

    Sharikov can’t read the chart and Sharikov can’t reason.

    Those numbers are for Bachelor’s degrees, not MDs. Most of them are future nurses.

    You were too stupid to figure it out. Because of Soviet education?

    The nineties were, after all, the ultimate expression of the Soviet soul running free.”

    And the twenties in the US were the expression of the Yankee soul, running free.

    Why not? Let’s compare.

    Homicide rate, USA, 1925: 8.3
    Homicide rate, Russia, 1995: 21.5

    It’s clear which soul was more sick.

    1920s America had Faulkner, Fitzgerald, T.S. Eliott and Hemingway.
    1990s Russia had Pelevin (ok he’s entertaining) and Sorokin.

    Everyone else didn’t have to face the challenges that the Russians had to overcome.

    Idiotic mistake after mistake and mass murder of one’s own population.

    Everyone else didn’t achieve as much as the Russians did.

    Epic shabbiness, second-rate power, managed to be much poorer than the countries it conquered, people living in squalor by the 1980s. And all for nothing, it ended in the 90s nihilism that only a people raised in Soviet values could do.

    Good job, Sharikov.

    Having lost 30 million people and a half of their country ruined,

    Another example of Soviet incompetence. Allowed a country with about 1/2 your population to wreck much of your country and kill 30 million people. After three years of fighting, the Tsar hadn’t let the Germans move east of Poland.

    I guess if Sovoks are proud of almost losing a war to a country with about half their population, they can be proud of slowly gaining some territory from Ukraine, another country with a shameful Soviet legacy, with 4.5 times smaller population than Russia.

    The Soviet people were producing great art even during the war, and much ore after that. Some of the best cinematography and literature in the world were produced in the USSR, by the Soviet people.

    No, Soviets killed Russia’s Silver Age.

    In 1915 life expectancy was 34 years. By 1926 life expectancy had reached 31 years. In 1930 it was 38 years, in 1940 41 years, ten years later – 50 years, ten years after that – 65 years.

    Sharikov thinks that life expectancy only increased in Russia and that no one else in the world accomplished this increase without Communism.

    In Russia life expectancy in 1915 was 34 years and in Portugal was 36 years. In 1940 life expectancy in Russia was 41 years and in Portugal 49 years.

    In Russia life expectancy in 1915 was 34 years and in Mexico was 29 years. In 1940 life expectancy in Russia was 41 years and in Mexico was 40 years.

    Congratulations on making progress on a worse level than Mexico. By 1985, Mexico and Russia had the same life expectancy.

    In 1897, the overall literacy rate of the Russian Empire was an estimated 24%, with the rural literacy rate at 19.7%.

    In 1926 51% of the population over the age of 10 had achieved literacy. By 1937, according to census data, the literacy rate was 75%

    https://www.britannica.com/topic/education/Revolutionary-patterns-of-education

    “According to the census of 1897, only 24 percent of the population above the age of nine were literate. By 1914 the rate had risen to roughly 40 percent.”

    The rapid increase in Russian literacy began before the Bolsheviks took power. Their Revolution may have even interrupted the process. Next you will give the Bolsheviks credit for antibiotics and electrification. Or the appearance of airplanes. You are that stupid.

    The Americans had to have a civil war in order to consolidate the nation

    Russia wasn’t consolidated until the Bolsheviks did it? Lol. What happened after only 70 years of Bolshevik rule?

    Their war was not any less brutal and bloody than the Russian civil war.

    I already taught you this Sharikov. You are too dumb to learn though.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-190-russia-ukraine/#comment-5388284

    Well, Britannica claims up to 10 million people, mostly civilians, died in the Russian Civil War:

    https://www.britannica.com/event/Russian-Civil-War/Foreign-intervention

    That’s 6.1% of the Russian Empire’s 1914 population.

    The same source, Britannica, writes that 2% of the US population died during the Civil War.

    Your response was that Britannica was not a source because it’s an encyclopedia or something lol.

    The Spanish had lived under a fascist dictatorship for decades

    Poor Spaniards, 50,000-200,000 or so of them were killed by that dictatorship, rather than millions as were killed in Russia.

    Your shithole of a country is a police dictatorship

    We have rowdy third worlders in our borders.

    White Americans have a lower incarceration rate than in Russia and Belarus though:

    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/04/30/shrinking-gap-between-number-of-blacks-and-whites-in-prison/

    “In 2017, there were 1,549 black prisoners for every 100,000 black adults – nearly six times the imprisonment rate for whites (272 per 100,000) and nearly double the rate for Hispanics (823 per 100,000)”

    So white Americans are incarcerated at a rate of 272/100,000.

    Compared to countries:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate

    Lower than Belarus 345/100,000 and Russia’s 325/100,000.

    with an unpayable debt put on the shoulders of the future generation

    And future, and future. The world will be worse off if America’s debt is defaulted than will be the USA.

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    “The elite apartment was privatized no differently than modest ones were, and the person living there was not responsible for the specific policy of apartment privatization in which everyone, from elite to modest, got to own the place where they are living at the moment of privatization. Nothing was unethical in this situation.”

    Of course, nothing unethical in this situation – a bunch of traitorous commies, stealing the national wealth

    Because your entire country was based on theft, you Sharikov are incapable of understanding what actual theft is. Maybe that is why there was so much theft and crime in the 90s by Soviet people like you. When everything was privatized, people were given the place where they happened to live. So either everyone in this situation was a thief, or no one was.

    “My relatives were out of government by then and were horrified by what happened. They were naive and had hoped the reforms would result in a political-economic system like in Scandinavia. But the Sharikov population that was created by the Soviet system were not Swedes.”

    Your relatives were not naive – they were stupid

    If they were stupid despite some being members of the Academy of Sciences what does that tell you about Soviet education?

    They thought too highly of the Soviet people. They didn’t realize that a country of Sharikovs such as you would not do anything good with freedom.

    “My relatives simply got the apartment where they had been living, then rented it out, and were lucky to be ready to buy another one when the 1998 crash hit.”

    They weren’t supposed to get that apartment. They were supposed to be given one of the equal size in a regular building, in a regular neighborhood.

    So was their entire building supposed to be evicted? What would happen to the empty building and all the apartments in them? And why should someone at the top of the society be downgraded to a regular apartment in a regular neighborhood? What would happen to the people in those regular neighborhoods? Moved to a worse place too?

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  146. Yevardian says:
    @German_reader

    Just dropping in (the amount and quality of mudslinging here seems to getting out of control) to share the latest video by “Perun” on German re-armament, as a lot of things long argued over here are directly adressed. For someone so young and far from what he’s talking about, the quality and regularness of his output really has been impressive.

    • Thanks: Barbarossa
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    , @German_reader
  147. LondonBob says:
    @German_reader

    We know what was on the table in Istanbul, I doubt much has changed.

    If the war goes on longer then I expect the Russian speaking areas will be given autonomy within the Ukraine, a Minsk Agreement for the Russian speaking areas, except imposed by force this time.

    https://gilbertdoctorow.com/2022/06/03/how-the-war-will-end/

    https://nationalinterest.org/feature/building-lasting-settlement-ukraine-202920

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  148. Wielgus says:
    @songbird

    Men were strangled first although there was also another small concession to humanity in England, which was to attach a bag of gunpowder to the body of the condemned. It might be attached to the waist or in a less merciful variant, to the neck. Once the fire reached the bag it would detonate, killing the condemned. Sometimes however the bag of gunpowder was wet, due to bad storage in England’s rainy climate and it did not explode. There were some slow burnings under Mary in the summer of 1556, a year when the summer months were wetter than usual.

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  149. sher singh says:

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  150. songbird says:
    @S

    Pournelle and Niven had some great collaborations. IMO, The Mote in God’s Eye is easily one of the best sci-fi novels ever written. A few times they teamed up with a third guy, how’s that even possible?

    If he had finished the book after Three Mile Island in 1979 he might not of got it published.

    Good point. I listened to an Asimov speech where he was talking up nuclear energy before a college crowd, and I wonder if he would have done that afterward.

    I’d suspect it was the nuclear power friendly part of the book the Yamamoto person was referencing at the Wiki entry when she said the ‘pro-technology’ aspect of the book might turn some people off of it

    Definitely the most significant by a wide margin. Might be a few other small parts. In the ending sequence, (spoilers), IIRC,

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    the black astronaut hears a sonic boom as military jets from some mountain air force base survived and made contact with them. He says something like, “You may have the thunder, but we have the lightning.”

    Read it years and years ago, but last year or the year before I read a book that happened to be mentioned in it, Conjure Wife, and I thought that was pretty good too. Very politically incorrect, but as I told Aaron B, I think he’d really like it.

  151. songbird says:
    @Wielgus

    Was a guy called Captain Swayne in Ireland. Around 1798, he used to pitch-cap people and add some gunpowder to the pitch. He was piked to death in his bed. Possibly, part of my mother’s family lived within about a mile or two of the place – but that is a lot of division when you go back that far.

  152. @songbird

    When I read Lucifer’s Hammer in high school it was a world view changing experience that I have never forgotten. I was never tempted to go back to it and see if it holds up though. And I forgot if it was a comet or an asteroid and I don’t remember the writer’s name.

    A 2 years older guy from the computer room loaned it to me. I heard later that he turned out to be the fastest typist anybody had ever seen.

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  153. songbird says:
    @sher singh

    I don’t know if the idea that the Greens are only a problem in Germany is really true.

    You have these really weird anti-farming initiatives springing up in a lot of countries, where the idea seems to be to give up fertilizer and also kill all the livestock that could provide manure.

    I really think that there should be circumscribed personal consequences to thinking that is this socially destructive. At a minimum, there should be efforts to combat their hypocrisy – give them special meters that only put out when solar is generating, no offsets. Plan could be adopted in Hamburg, for relatively cheap, so that the idea of consequences enters into their social circles elsewhere.

    Also, their antiracism should be tested by housing them with the worst undesirables, according to what level of anti-racism and open-borders they profess.

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  154. @songbird

    John Merriman’s Yale history courses on Europe and France are really great in spots. I forget which one covered Captain Swayne (maybe the one on Absolutism and the State?) but he is a fan. He claims it as a general rule that if the people are starving there will be riots. Captain Swayne is only in one lecture bet the general rule is in at least three.

    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3A8E6CE294860A24

    His comb-over bald head is epic.

    • Replies: @songbird
  155. songbird says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Agree on the hair.

    If you never read any other Pournelle (half the team), another book I’d really recommend is King David’s Spaceship.

    Niven (other half of the team) is most famous for his Ringworld books. Haven’t read as much of him, but he created one of the best alien races of all time, IMO:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierson’s_Puppeteers

  156. @Ron Unz

    The origin of covid is important, but I can’t think of a way to prove it. Opinions are just that, opinions. It’s like with hired killers: you can find the killer, but that does not necessarily lead you to his/her employer.

    You are ignoring another important aspect: how much of this covid scare was medically justified, and how much was propaganda (i.e., lies and blatant lies). I know that the virus exists and that it’s worse than usual flu (probably no worse than a bad case of flu, though). However, unless you equate Putin with almighty god (which I don’t), the fact that Putin managed to “cure” the whole world of covid by starting an operation in Ukraine suggests that most of hullabaloo in Western “lugenpresse” was psycho-operation. Now presstitutes got another set of marching orders and switched to publishing BS about Russia-Ukraine conflict. Thus, they suddenly “forgot” about covid, which went the way of Darfur, hundreds of hospitals in Aleppo, Skripals, MH17, and other manufactured pure BS comrade Ogilvy-like “stories”.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    , @Ron Unz
  157. Beckow says:
    @AP

    If around 10% of the city’s…

    Just stop at “if” – it is your conjecture that cannot be validated and we disagree. Any conclusions you base on that are apriori unverifiable and therefore wrong. No rational observer believes that “Russian support” (or sympathy) is 10%.

    Czechs were more enthusiastic about German occupiers than Kherson people were about Russian ones.

    It is early, give it some time.

    Random partisans have started killing Russian activists there now.

    Basically criminals murdering any Russian speaker they can find – wasn’t there an infamous genocide by Hutus of Tutsi in 1990’s Rwanda where something similar happened? You are again on thin ice…

    Ukraine’s policies that Russian nationalists don’t like are “un-European.”

    When you lose an argument you escape into intentional ‘misunderstanding’ – but you must be aware of EU human rights and minority protection policies. That is different from the fact that some Europeans suffer from incurable Russo-phobia, mostly Poles, Balts, some Germans craving revenge, and of course Belgian pederasts. The minority protections are not nation-specific, they are universal.

    Your point is that since enough EU politicians hate Russia they will go easy on implementing their own laws or values that help Russians. That may be temporarily true but it changes nothing about the law. In the long run hatred cannot be a basis for a policy.

    You are so desperate that you escape into hatred and hope that it will last long enough to do some nasty stuff to Russian (like in the Rwanda example). That EU will turn a blind eye. That is unlikely because Russia is too strong and EU is smart enough not to stay in the self-defeating contradictory position for too long. If they do, they lose and there will be anyway no EU to aspire to.

    Countries have done that before and disappeared – Kiev is in the process of doing it right now in front of our eyes and we all see how sad a spectacle it is…

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    , @AP
  158. @Yevardian

    the amount and quality of mudslinging here seems to getting out of control

    Yea, there is still some of that, even though now mudslinging is quite pointless. Guns and missiles do the talking and will decide the outcome. Condolences to Banderites: they are going to lose again, like they did with their idol Hitler in WWII.

  159. @Beckow

    EU is smart enough not to stay in the self-defeating contradictory position for too long. If they do, they lose and there will be anyway no EU to aspire to.

    You give too much credit to the EU. Eurolemmings are running to the cliff, it’s hard to see what can stop them now. As current Russian joke puts it, the EU will have miserable life, but thankfully a very short one.

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    , @YetAnotherAnon
  160. Mikhail says: • Website
    @LondonBob

    We know what was on the table in Istanbul, I doubt much has changed.

    If the war goes on longer then I expect the Russian speaking areas will be given autonomy within the Ukraine, a Minsk Agreement for the Russian speaking areas, except imposed by force this time.

    https://gilbertdoctorow.com/2022/06/03/how-the-war-will-end/

    https://nationalinterest.org/feature/building-lasting-settlement-ukraine-202920

    Related – https://www.rt.com/russia/558321-rus-pivoting-toward-nonwest/

    Regarding what Petro, Doctorow and Trenin say, it’s more a matter of the Western establishment at large breaking with Russia than the reverse. In turn, Russia feels it can weather the storm, as opposed to capitulating against its legitimate interests.

    It takes two to tango. Russia would’ve preferred not to be faced with this scenario. As for the matter of trust, the Kiev regime and its Western backers were the reluctant ones in having the Minsk Protocol implemented. In some instances, the Western establishment isn’t shy when using sanctions to achieve an aim. The Kiev regime was never pressured into implementing the Minsk Protocol.

    Meantime, the Kiev regime was building its military near Donbass, while openly seeking NATO membership – something that Russia unsuccessfully attempted under Yeltsin and Putin. The Minsk Protocol was used as a delay tactic ploy, as recently acknowledged by the then Ukrainian president Poroshenko.

    Starting around the 1970s, the neocon mistrust of the UN is now something that Russia has experienced. In Russia’s case, the “tyranny of the majority” primarily takes the form of the governments in Oceania, North America, the EU, along with Japan and South Korea.

    What was doable with the Minsk Protocol and the later Istanbul talks is now likely different from the eventual outcome.

    • Replies: @Beckow
  161. Beckow says:
    @AnonfromTN

    …how much of this covid scare was medically justified, and how much was propaganda

    It is generally accepted now, although no longer widely publicised, that C19 was a very serious virus that caused a serious flu – it was a “flu” there is nothing diminishing about the term, the Spanish Flu was also called a flu.

    It impacted many elderly and already sick very badly, millions died. It also impacted fat people, viruses like fat. The vaccines were only marginally useful, the best case that can be made for them is that they eased C19 symptoms for some (not all) and lasted about 4-6 months. The long-term impact of massive vaccination is unknown – they were not properly tested before use. For younger or healthier people the cost-benefit trade-off for the vaccines for decisively on not taking them side. In spite of that, Western societies went into a hysterical over-drive to maximize even force the MRNA vaccines on everybody within reach, small children included.

    The origin of C19 would be good to know, but we may not be allowed to, it is too sensitive. That makes the reaction in the West a better topic to explore – and the reaction had to be connected to the origin on some level.

    The rolling propaganda campaigns that have overtaken the West (C19, Putin…) suggest that they are either getting desperate or have lost control and simply try to stall. Maybe the numbers behind the scene don’t make sense any more and the status quo cannot continue. Or they became stupid due a lengthy disconnect from reality and misreading the recent history – that happened to some elites in the past. The latest Jeff Bezos’ attack on Biden is refreshing – maybe saying that the emperor has no clothes will come from unexpected quarters.

  162. songbird says:

    Germany’s trade balance is now negative!

    Is it true that a lot of the corn in Nebraska is stunted due to lack of fertilizer?

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
  163. Ron Unz says:
    @AnonfromTN

    The origin of covid is important, but I can’t think of a way to prove it. Opinions are just that, opinions.

    Unlike yourself, I have no professional expertise in microbiology or virology, and hence haven’t discussed those aspects of the Covid origins issue in my analyses. But I do think that the other evidence I’ve provided is close to overwhelming.

    You are ignoring another important aspect: how much of this covid scare was medically justified, and how much was propaganda (i.e., lies and blatant lies). I know that the virus exists and that it’s worse than usual flu (probably no worse than a bad case of flu, though).

    But America has had around 1.3 million “excess deaths” since the beginning of the epidemic, and only a small sliver have been homicides, suicides, or drug overdoses. By absolutely all available evidence, well over a million Americans died from Covid, and a disease that quickly kills a million Americans seems a lot worse than the flu to me, especially since they came despite unprecedented public health measures and the new vaccines. Excess deaths worldwide have been 15 to 20 million.

    Perhaps I’m just missing something. Given your own strong background in the biological sciences, I can’t really understand your position, so please do enlighten me.

    However, unless you equate Putin with almighty god (which I don’t), the fact that Putin managed to “cure” the whole world of covid by starting an operation in Ukraine suggests that most of hullabaloo in Western “lugenpresse” was psycho-operation. Now presstitutes got another set of marching orders and switched to publishing BS about Russia-Ukraine conflict. Thus, they suddenly “forgot” about covid, which went the way of Darfur, hundreds of hospitals in Aleppo, Skripals, MH17, and other manufactured pure BS comrade Ogilvy-like “stories”.

    But that’s simply a MSM issue. Whether or not the MSM reports something doesn’t relate to whether it exists or not. The MSM is just totally corrupt and dishonest, so why would you cite the MSM coverage as evidence for something one way or the other?

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  164. Beckow says:
    @Mikhail

    It has all changed with the war and the sacrifices by both sides: Kiev would have to win the war to get back to Minsk. If they don’t – as is almost certain – the settlement will be much harsher than the very mild Minsk deal.

    Russia has effectively disconnected from the West. That gives Western powers no ability to influence what Russia does. That was the fundamental strategic error: West went gung-ho and used all they had at the beginning. It didn’t work as any half-smart economist could have told them. Now when they try to reach out to Russia (e.g. Macron) they have no threats left and can’t offer any concessions – that leaves fighting the war to the end.

    The war is on Russia’s home turf: the Western side has fewer weapons, worse logistics, and as manpower only temporarily insane Ukie nationalist and conscript fringe. It is not a strong place to be. An escalation would help, a change in scenery, bring in the Poles and Latvians, it could allow for a recalibration. But that is scary – it could really blow up, and it would hardly budge the unfavorable strategic position the West is in.

    They are still hoping that if the war stretches long enough maybe a coup or some other change will happen in Russia. With each day that seems less likely; countries consolidate when fighting a war, people close ranks when they are hated. The final settlement could be very unfavorable to Kiev – they will throw a temper-tantrum and pretend not to accept it. But what is new, Kiev has been in a temper-tantrum for years…

    • Agree: Mikhail, Dnought
  165. Mikhail says: • Website

  166. Sean says:
    @Ron Unz

    So in your opinion it is not a pertinent piece of information that the 1977 influenza pandemic was certainly a lab leak of a sample from 1955. Nor is the many other lab leaks pathogens inccluding of Coronaviruses. The Wuhan institute quietly changing the name of a virus they had samples of that is was a relative of the Covid pathogen, and asking the American CD to take down public information about other viruses they had worked on bespeaks innocence? . Bat lady saying that the risks of working with bat coronaviruses were low and safety measure could be relaxed (she said this publicly including in TED talk) and the Wuhan CDC field sampler of bats talking about how he was getting doused in bat excrement and urine and even bitten on expeditions; none of that was salient?

    Sachs talks about the Covid pandemic having “came out of US lab biotechnology. Not came out of a US lab. Big difference. And it fits Wuhan which was using techniques Baric taught them.

  167. @Ron Unz

    But America has had around 1.3 million “excess deaths”

    My problem is accepting these “excess death” stats. We have no way of ascertaining that those stats reflect the reality: there was strong financial incentive to scare the public, to make it accept mandated “vaccination”, which brought many billions in profits to “vaccine” manufacturers. I’ve seen Western media and state institutions like CDC lie for a lot less. The money was our tax money, so it’s a standard scheme to fleece the public, honed by weapons manufacturers for decades. Sudden “cure” is at least as suspicious as the origins of this virus.

    unprecedented public health measures

    The measures in the US (as opposed to China) were remarkably ham-handed. “Vaccination” was made mandatory (that’s where the profit is), but there was no push for a drug (while possibly effective ones were studiously ignored or bad-mouthed), the lockdowns were half-hearted, mostly damaging the economy, not the virus. Mandatory testing was medically stupid (you can’t detect the virus before it multiplies in the host, i.e., a day or two after the infection your test would be negative), but it enriched a lot of companies.

    Purely scientifically, I would say that artificial gain-of-function of a coronavirus is next to impossible: we know too little how these viruses work and how they protect themselves from the immune system. But changing the host from bat to human is doable and relatively easy: you just need to swap spike protein, replace it in a bat virus with corresponding protein from a virus that infects humans (say, common cold viruses, which are coronaviruses). When the pathogen jumps hosts, it becomes more virulent in the new host than it was in the old, simply because virus-host combinations evolve to make the disease less severe: a parasite that kills the host rapidly undermines its own survival chances. With a new host this is not an issue: there was no time for the virus and new host to adjust to each other (for mutual benefit).

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @Beckow
  168. @German_reader

    Who was the Ukrainian nationalist leader after WWI, Pelitrua or something? I don’t care enough to look it up. What’s Ukraine’s position on him, is he seen as a hero too?

    The patron saint of the Republic of Ireland is Michael Collins who as a total murderous psychopath so nations deifying morally odious leaders from the past might just be something that we have to accept. Hell, the US Founding Fathers were mostly slave owners and Abraham Lincoln wanted to forcibly repatriate all blacks to Africa.

  169. Beckow says:
    @AnonfromTN

    I am more optimistic about EU: like all large territorial concoctions, EU is unstable but with a lack of an alternative it can go on and on. When the lemmings jump, many of us will be left behind. I see it as an opportunity…

  170. Ron Unz says:
    @AnonfromTN

    My problem is accepting these “excess death” stats. We have no way of ascertaining that those stats reflect the reality: there was strong financial incentive to scare the public, to make it accept mandated “vaccination”

    There are the total number of deaths in America for the last few years:

    2014 2,626,418
    2015 2,712,630
    2016 2,744,248
    2017 2,813,503
    2018 2,839,205
    2019 2,854,838
    2020 3,389,858
    2021 3,469,634

    Deaths jumped by over a half-million in both 2020 and 2021, representing the “excess deaths.” If you can’t believe the total reported number of deaths in America, how can you believe anything else? Why would you believe the US Census? Maybe our total population is only 200 million rather than 330 million? Maybe there’s no state of Wyoming and it’s just a hoax.

    I’m really surprised that someone such as yourself with a strong scientific background seems to have been carried along by the Flu Hoaxers.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    , @AnonfromTN
  171. Beckow says:
    @AnonfromTN

    Purely scientifically, I would say that artificial gain-of-function of a coronavirus is next to impossible: we know too little how these viruses work and how they protect themselves from the immune system. But changing the host from bat to human is doable and relatively easy: you just need to swap spike protein, replace it in a bat virus with corresponding protein from a virus that infects humans (say, common cold viruses, which are coronaviruses). When the pathogen jumps hosts, it becomes more virulent in the new host than it was in the old, simply because virus-host combinations evolve to make the disease less severe: a parasite that kills the host rapidly undermines its own survival chances. With a new host this is not an issue: there was no time for the virus and new host to adjust to each other (for mutual benefit).

    If it was done in a lab it could only have two goals:
    – use it to develop better protection against all corona viruses
    – a bioweapon.

    The first one is quite odd and illogical, but people have done more stupid things in science. As a bioweapon it is almost impossible to control and thus useless in geopolitics. Unless the targets were actually the people who were hit: elderly, sick and fat. Like in a bad James Bond movie…

    Most likely somebody was unnecessarily messing around because they were paid to do ‘something’, and because they could. And it escaped the lab, like Frankenstein except less visible…

    • Replies: @Miro23
  172. Wielgus says:
    @songbird

    Swayne is a fairly rare example of a scumbag who got what was coming to him.

    • LOL: songbird
  173. Beckow says:
    @Ron Unz

    Deaths also rose from 2014 to 2019, by over 200k. We are saying that the C19 deaths were “over-stated”, not that they were non-existent. The “excess deaths” could be less than a million if we account for the trend. Given the incentives it would be surprising if some C19 cases were not added to get those incentives – there are always border-line cases.

    We also need the numbers for 2022 and the next few years to see what portion of C19 were deaths that were accelerated. If the death rate drops below the long-term trend that would suggest that many of the C19 deaths were people who were terminally ill and C19 pushed them over earlier. Still tragic, but it does place the societal trade-offs in a different light.

    In Sweden at one point their chief medical officer said in a TV interview that “the average C19 victim had around 4 months to live sans catching C19”. In Sweden the average age of C19 victim was close to 84 and majority were in old-people homes – so it could be a skewed comparison, but it highlights that C19 was not raging unchecked through younger healthier populations – who bore the main burden of shutdowns and controls and who may regret getting the MRNA shots that they clearly didn’t need medically.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
  174. German_reader says:
    @Yevardian

    the amount and quality of mudslinging here seems to getting out of control

    I just scroll over certain comments, like the “discussions” between AP and that simian-obsessed Sovok. But occasionally one can still have interesting exchanges.

    the latest video by “Perun” on German re-armament

    Thanks. I watched the first ten minutes, and he’s completely correct that the present embarrassing state of the Bundeswehr dates only back to the 1990s. Both West and East Germany had large conscription-based armies with thousands of tanks. That’s something many people abroad don’t understand, leading to rather misleading arguments (like claiming the present state is due to WW2 trauma, also the “free riding” arguments so dear to a certain kind of American, which largely weren’t true when there actually was a direct Soviet threat to West Germany).
    Will see if I get around to watch the rest, though tbh it’s kind of depressing, like everything about Germany in the last 30 years.

    • Replies: @songbird
    , @Sean
  175. German_reader says:
    @Greasy William

    Pelitrua or something?

    Petliura, I think. Maybe AP can tell us about present Ukrainian views of him, I don’t really know that much myself.

    The patron saint of the Republic of Ireland is Michael Collins who as a total murderous psychopath

    I don’t know, Ireland’s war of independence and the subsequent civil war certainly involved many ugly episodes, but it seems to me it was fairly tame compared to events on the continent.
    And while Michael Collins came to a violent end himself, politically he was successful (even if Ireland today unfortunately seems to be rapidly throwing away his achievement). Whereas Bandera not only was someone who employed highly dubious means, he was also essentially a total failure.
    But maybe his cult will now fade due to the present war, which should give Ukraine some better heroes to worship.

  176. songbird says:
    @Greasy William

    Lincoln wanted to forcibly repatriate all blacks to Africa.

    He had a funny way of showing it. Why didn’t he offer the South to spend all that money, manpower, and industrial capacity, on transporting them and reimbursing owners? Instead of subjugating and destroying people who actually had a culture where differences were recognized?

    If you ask me, he was full of it. Who was it, Harriet Beecher Stowe? Who said that she was for transporting them to Africa, after they had reached a state of civilization, and been educated to the point where they could look after themselves. She was obviously full of it. And she probably would have been even more full of it, if she understood how deadly tropical diseases in Africa were even for American blacks.

  177. songbird says:
    @German_reader

    Pity, but I guess the wikipedia page doesn’t check out.

    [MORE]

    Spoke to a local and he seemed to think it was mainly local tradition, referred me to the wiki, and suggested that there was a pedigree that might bear at least some details of the story out. But looking at pedigrees, I seem to have found evidence that definitely debunks the idea that the event took place, when they said it did. (Cromwellian times.)

    Well, I don’t know, it could have taken place. But the important thing is that it wasn’t responsible for the name of the place, which I was able to determine is at the very least a few decades older.

    Still some very interesting qualities, if one assumes it is an older story, not from the 17th century but from the 16th, and it has just been garbled a bit.

    Still, don’t know if I should tell them that it is wrong. It’s a good story for the tourists.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  178. @Greasy William

    Petliura, I think.

    It was Symon Petliura. Petliura, like WWII mass murderers Bandera and Schuhevych, is considered a hero by current Kiev regime.

    Petliura was murdered in France in 1926 by Sholom Schwartzbard. Schwartzbard immediately confessed to killing (it is said by stating “I have killed an assassin”). At his trial he explained to the jury that Petliura forces summarily killed Jews in Ukraine, including his whole family, and that is why he killed Petliura. French jury accepted his argument and acquitted him.
    Even habitually lying Wiki has reasonably realistic account of these events (some would say because Schwartzbard was Jewish, while Petliura was an anti-Semit): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwartzbard_trial

    • Replies: @Wielgus
    , @Gerard1234
  179. songbird says:
    @German_reader

    Both West and East Germany had large conscription-based armies with thousands of tanks.

    There may have been a political impetus behind that.

    Today, with less of a political impetus – Germany might be considered nearer the truth on that question. I.e. it doesn’t need tanks, has no use for them in the age of nuclear weapons.

    What it does have need for is nuclear energy plants, but the political impetus is against that.

  180. German_reader says:
    @songbird

    But the important thing is that it wasn’t responsible for the name of the place, which I was able to determine is at the very least a few decades older.

    Is that about the murder at the inauguration hill or about another event?

    Still, don’t know if I should tell them that it is wrong. It’s a good story for the tourists.

    You needn’t tell them directly, but definitely make a note of it, if you’ve found the name is attested earlier, that’s pretty interesting.

    • Replies: @songbird
  181. @Ron Unz

    I’m really surprised that someone such as yourself with a strong scientific background seems to have been carried along by the Flu Hoaxers.

    I am not a flu hoaxer. Like I said, I have evidence that the virus is real and could be pretty bad. However, I also have evidence that virtually everything the government says is even worse.

    If you can’t believe the total reported number of deaths in America, how can you believe anything else? Why would you believe the US Census?

    I do not believe any statement by any government without independent evidence. FYI, not believing things without evidence is the scientific method.

    • Agree: Bumpkin
    • Replies: @A123
    , @Ron Unz
  182. @AP

    Because she is no academic, she thought the obsolete and debunked work from 1971 she referenced, was proof of something. You were dumb enough to make the same mistake.

    Personal attack on her doesn’t discredit anything. She referenced the book of J. McVicker Hunt, a prominent American academic.

    Hunt received a Ph.D from Cornell University in 1933. Hunt also completed postdoctoral fellowships at the New York State Psychiatric Institute and the Worcester State Hospital. He also received a D.Sc from Brown University.

    Hunt published over 100 research and theoretical papers, and was editor of the Journal of Abnormal and Social Psychology from 1950 and 1955.

    You cannot debunk anything here.

    The research showed that intelligence is not inherited but developed. The Ashkenazi and the Sephardi children raised in a Kibbutz had the same average IQ of 115, whereas in their natural environment had 105 and 85 on average.

    Russia is inferior to the USA.

    The crime rate and incarceration rate is a lot higher in the US. The external debt is a lot higher in the US. The higher education rate is a lot lower in the US.

    9.6 percent of the Americans don’t have health insurance and can’t afford health care, whereas in Russia health care is free.

    The external debt of the US is at 102 percent of the GDP, whereas the external debt of Russia is at 32 percent. The external debt of the US is at 60,5 thousand USD per capita, whereas the external debt of Russia is at 3,7 thousand USD per capita.

    The higher education rate in the US is 35 percent, whereas in Russia it’s 54 percent.

    Russia is superior to the USA.

    [MORE]

    Sharikov can’t read the chart and Sharikov can’t reason. Those numbers are for Bachelor’s degrees, not MDs.

    Repeating after me doesn’t make you look smarter ape.

    Nowhere in that chart does it mention a Bachelor’s degree, don’t make it up. The chart is for the average IQ of the faculties.

    Let’s compare. It’s clear which soul was more sick. 1920s America had Faulkner, Fitzgerald, T.S. Eliott and Hemingway. 1990s Russia had Pelevin and Sorokin.

    It’s clear that homicide rates correlate with the degree of economic and political crisis, ape. The US have never faced that kind of crisis. The resulting rise of crime during a crisis doesn’t have anything to do with the people’s soul.

    And even in the 90’s the Russians were still producing world class art – Alexander Sokurov, Aleksei Balabanov. Though nothing on the level of the USSR of course.

    Mistake after mistake and mass murder of one’s own population.

    There were mistakes but not mass murder. The civil war is a war not a murder. The civil war in the US was even bloodier.

    Epic shabbiness, second-rate power, managed to be much poorer than the countries it conquered, people living in squalor.

    The reforms started in the 80’s, the effect was felt in 1988. All that was happening is related to the dismantling of a great sovereign state, an artificial economic and political crisis.

    There were no people living in squalor in the USSR. There were no homeless people either.

    Another example of Soviet incompetence. Allowed a country with about 1/2 your population to wreck much of your country and kill 30 million people.

    You are too stupid to discuss that, but bear in mind that the Axis power countries were a lot stronger than the USSR, still recovering after the civil war.

    No, [The Soviet people were producing great art even during the war] Soviets killed Russia’s Silver Age.

    Mikhail Bulgakov, Dmitri Shostakovich, Maya Plisetskaya, Mstislav Rostropovich, Mikhail Sholokhov are a few examples of the people who created the great Soviet art of that era.

    Congratulations on making progress on a worse level than Mexico.

    Mexico the same as Russia had a civil war at the time. Russia on top of the civil war was engaged in the World War.

    For a comparison it’s better to take a look at other countries before the beginning of the World War. For example, life expectancy in the US in 1900 was 48, in the UK 46, and in Germany 43, and in Russia 30.

    Ten years afterwards, life expectancy in the US was 51, in the UK 52, and in Germany 47, and in Russia 32. Twenty years before that, in 1890, life expectancy in the US was 44, in the UK 45, and in Germany 40, and in Russia still 32.

    This clearly shows that situation with health care in Russia was catastrophic during the period before the revolution, and nothing was being done to improve that. Even a retarded son of a bitch like you is supposed to understand that.

    According to the census of 1897, only 24 percent of the population above the age of nine were literate. By 1914 the rate had risen to roughly 40 percent.

    The definition of literacy before the revolution was being able to write your own name and sign a document. Apart from that, there is no statistical data regarding literacy rate in the 1914.

    The definition of literacy during the Likbez program in the USSR was reading, writing and arithmetic. There was no rapid increase documented, this data is made up.

    Britannica claims up to 10 million people died in the Russian Civil War. The same source, Britannica, writes that 2% of the US population died during the Civil War. Your response was that Britannica was not a source because it’s an encyclopedia or something lol.

    You are a Ukrainian peace of idiot.

    Britannica is supposed to reference the statistics and it doesn’t. The article itself is not a source, it’s supposed to use a source and reference that source, the source of the data used in the article, dumbass.

    What a retard.

    Poor Spaniards, 200 000 or so of them were killed by that dictatorship, rather than millions as were killed in Russia.

    Learn to count, ape.

    Population of Spain during Franco was about 25 million, of the USSR during Stalin about 200 million.

    During the entire Stalin period 800 thousand people were executed.
    https://sovietinfo.tripod.com/GTY-Penal_System.pdf

    That is 0.8 percent in Spain and 0.4 in the USSR.

    White Americans have a lower incarceration rate than in Russia.

    No one cares.

    The US is a police dictatorship with the highest incarceration rate in the world. And it doesn’t matter what percentage of the prisoners have what color of the skin.

    When everything was privatized, people were given the place where they happened to live. So either everyone in this situation was a thief, or no one was.

    Most people fool happened to live in the apartments corresponding to the average value of the product the people were producing.

    Except for the commie bastard families, who were placed in the elite buildings because they happened to be on the top of the commie food chain, and not for their merit.

    Therefore a doctor and a general manager of a huge plant like my grandparents didn’t steal anything when they were given a small apartment in which they were living in private ownership, and a family of commie bastards, such as your family, were given a lot more than they were supposed to get.

    Had they been given a property of a comparable value the same as most people were given you would have been able to say that there was nothing unethical in that, and that would have been true.

    But they were given a fortune, taken from the people, for their connections and not for a merit.

    So was their entire building supposed to be evicted? What would happen to the empty building and all the apartments in them? And why should someone at the top of the society be downgraded to a regular apartment in a regular neighborhood?

    Of course, the entire building was supposed to be evicted. That building was a high value real estate, it was supposed to be sold, at the least. Or at the best it was supposed to remain what it had been and continue to be used as it has been – as an encouragement for the people doing important work for the government, free accommodation for those who are deserving that.

    Even corporations are doing that.

    Your logic can be extrapolated to the apartments of the ambassador families in London and elsewhere. Such apartments were not given to them forever.

    • Replies: @AP
  183. Wielgus says:
    @Beckow

    In two years I never caught Covid and held out against the jab until January this year, only finally getting it because without it travel was becoming impossible – I kept having to have PCR tests and was banned from entering restaurants etc. I know several people who got it or who fell ill with Covid or with something the doctor said was Covid. I only know one person who died of it and he was over 70. I have little doubt a disease called Covid exists but the degree to which society was overturned for it strikes me as phony.

  184. songbird says:
    @German_reader

    Different place. Different region. Never heard of it before yesterday.

    Similar idea, only with everything written out (at least according to the wiki), including a lost battle at the nearby castle, but with no cultural context attached to the place before that, the “original” name of which seems pretty boring or possibly common, but which I can think of a pretty interesting interpretation for, which in fact seems similar to one such place that has been remembered. Pictures and location aren’t bad either.

    Dropped another line to the locals to see if there is a tradition of such a place. Hopefully, I’ll get a response. If there is none remembered, and I can find an earlier instance of the “original” name than the “later” one, then it might still be pretty interesting.

    • Thanks: German_reader
  185. Wielgus says:
    @AnonfromTN

    The Soviet portrayal of Petlyura was that he was a puppet of Poland, with the anti-Semitism secondary.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    , @Mikhail
  186. @Wielgus

    The Soviet portrayal of Petlyura was that he was a puppet of Poland, with the anti-Semitism secondary.

    Frankly, I would buy an official Soviet version of any event no more than an official US version. I lived in both countries and saw evidence of both governments lying. From what I know (which is not much), Petlyura was an unprincipled nasty nonentity, like the current clown. I would not be surprised if he served Poland, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he double-crossed them or any other masters for personal gain. He was that kind of scum. As they say in the US, an honest politician is that who once bought stays bought. I don’t think he was honest even in that sense. In the end, France accepted him, not Poland.

    • Agree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mikhail
  187. @songbird

    Don’t know about Nebraska but I was hearing at planting time that some of the big farmers around here were using 50% of normal fertilizer application. That is going to affect yields; no way around that.

    This is part of the potential weakness of the modern agribusiness approach. Soils are so bombed over by constant pesticide/ fungicide/ chemical fertilizer application that it is a rather dead growing medium. It is extremely dependent on heavy inputs because they are the only thing keeping the crops growing.

    • Replies: @A123
    , @songbird
  188. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Wielgus

    The Soviet portrayal of Petlyura was that he was a puppet of Poland, with the anti-Semitism secondary.

    Petliura was from the Russian Empire unlike Bandera. In order to improve on his weak position, Petliura agreed to see all of Galicia go to Poland, in exchange for Polish support of him as a pro-Polish/anti-Russian puppet of a former Russian Empire Ukrainian state.

    In turn, the Galician Ukrainian army en masse agreed to come under the command of the Russian Whites. Unlike how Pilsudski treated Petliura, the Whites didn’t set a condition on the Galician Ukrainians.

    At the end of the Russian Civil War, some of Petliura’s forces ended up in Polish held territory, with some of the Galician Ukrainian army ending up in the USSR.

    At the time, the Pilsudski led Poland sought to establish itself as the leading central European state, premised on an alliance of anti-Russian countries. The Galician Ukrainians and Whites stood in the way.Pilsudski even made a then secret agreement with the Bolshes to not support the Whites.

    Related articles, with an emphasis on the pro-Russian/anti-Soviet perspective – a view under-represented when compared to Soviet, Polish and svido perspectives:

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/08042016-fuzzy-history-how-poland-saved-the-world-from-russia-analysis/

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/22052011-pavlo-skoropadsky-and-the-course-of-russian-ukrainian-relations-analysis/

    • Agree: Gerard1234
  189. A123 says: • Website
    @AnonfromTN

    I’m really surprised that someone such as yourself with a strong scientific background seems to have been carried along by the Flu Hoaxers.

    I am not a flu hoaxer. Like I said, I have evidence that the virus is real and could be pretty bad. However, I also have evidence that virtually everything the government says is even worse

    Terms such as Flu Hoaxer and Anti-vaxx make rational discussions very difficult. There is a tiny fringe of Anti-vaxxers who oppose *ALL* vaccines (Polio, Mumps, Rubella, etc.). New and different terminology is required for those who accept vaccines generally & object only to the experimental WUHAN-19 jabs that were rushed to market.

    More accurate names for the two sides (exclusive to Chinese Coronavirus) are:

        • Manda-Vaxx
        • Vaxx-Realist

    Manda-Vaxxers are fundamentally Authoritarian. As a matter of dogma, everyone must receive the experimental vaccine plus unproven boosters. The Shiny Jackboot of government policy must be enthusiastically used to enforce compliance. BigPharma is a key supporter for Manda-Vaxx ideology.

    Vaxx-Realists Follow The Science. They accept the evidence showing strong correlation between WUHAN-19 virus risk, age over 65, and preexisting conditions. Vaxx-Realists grasp that the vaccine/booster regimen makes sense for those at risk and is inappropriate for near zero risk groups (e.g healthy children).
    ___

    The WUHAN-19 virus causes “Excess Deaths” among those who are already approaching termination. Once the panic is quashed, there will almost certainly be a period of “Excess Life”. The sickest of the sick, who die slightly early due to the WUHAN-19 virus, will no longer be in the statistical cohort to expire later.

    PEACE 😇

  190. A123 says: • Website
    @Barbarossa

    some of the big farmers around here were using 50% of normal fertilizer application. That is going to affect yields; no way around that.

    Farmers are also changing crops to require less fertilizer. (1)

    For just the third time in recorded history, farmers will be planting more soybeans than corn as they grapple with the rising cost of fertilizer — a cost that will almost certainly be passed on to consumers.

    Soybeans put nitrogen back into the ground rather than extract it, so they only need a small amount of fertilizer when compared to corn. Previously, the average farmer used 255 pounds of fertilizer for corn, compared to 65 pounds for soybeans

    This will lead to further inflation. Less corn will be available to meet ethanol requirements for petrol. And, the lack of corn for chicken feed will drive up grocery prices.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/energy-environment/farmers-turn-to-soybeans-over-corn-as-fertilizer-prices-spike

    • Agree: Barbarossa
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    , @Barbarossa
  191. @A123

    This will lead to further inflation. Less corn will be available to meet ethanol requirements for petrol. And, the lack of corn for chicken feed will drive up grocery prices.

    Yep. These are just a few examples of domino effects in the economy. Neither Adam Smith in the eighteenth century, nor a schoolkid of today would be surprised – these relationships are very simple. Yet libtards cannot grasp them. No wonder they consider times table racist – it’s way above their level of comprehension.

  192. Ron Unz says:
    @AnonfromTN

    I do not believe any statement by any government without independent evidence. FYI, not believing things without evidence is the scientific method.

    Okay, you don’t believe the official total of annual American deaths. So what’s America’s total population and why do you believe that?

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  193. @Ron Unz

    Okay, you don’t believe the official total of annual American deaths. So what’s America’s total population and why do you believe that?

    I can’t say that I blindly believe that. However, the population numbers follow the same trend for many years, despite numerous changes of administration (and the lies these administrations preferred to push). That makes those numbers a lot more credible than the “excess death” numbers published when first the organizers of changing President and then the administration of Alzheimer-in-chief pushed a certain narrative, then issued a mandate based on this narrative that financially benefited the companies and people we know. The same administration promptly forgot about covid and switched to equally non-credible claims about inflation and Putin. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  194. Ron Unz says:

    BTW, the Daily Mail just ran a substantial story on Sachs’ Covid origins statements, the first time they’ve gotten into the MSM:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-10980715/Covid-leaked-AMERICAN-lab-claims-professor-Jeffrey-Sachs.html

    • Replies: @Sean
  195. @A123

    The other interesting question that raises is what it will do to soy prices and if there is a market waiting for the crops. A farmer can plant anything he wants, but can’t create a market for it. If any substantial number of farmers choose soy over corn to avoid fertilizer expenses it could easily create a glut of soybeans which could lower prices and still hurt the farmer.

    I know that soybean prices were up when China started buying quantities again, but I’m not sure where it’s headed this year.

  196. @AP

    From Poland with love.

    You are a liar. The Poles will never forget and never forgive. You are hated.

    [MORE]

    Ukraine was recognized as independent and sovereign under its ruler Khmelnytsky by foreign powers. Ukraine had all the attributes of a sovereign state. You had nothing to contradict it.

    And Juan Guaido has been recognized as the president of Venezuela, however he is not the president.

    Ukraine did not exist as a sovereign state even for an hour. Poland didn’t recognize it as anything but a province. The land of where is now Ukraine was transferred then from Poland to the Russian Empire.

    Petty gentry in Ukraine were mostly descendants of boyar families, knights invited to settle the lands, or Varangian druzhyna who had accompanied the princes from the North in order to help rule over the Eastern Slavs.

    Yes sure, quoting the Ukrainian historians isn’t going to help, apey. They are inventing the entire history from the ground up, beginning with Atlantis. They are saying the Ukrainians are an ancient people with 140 thousand years of history.

    Bitch, please.

    Our paternal family legend was the latter and it was confirmed by genetic testing, showing origins in Novgorod-Pskov area with a lot of relatives in Norway (fewer in Sweden). I have ancestors from all of these groups.

    Your family legend is a legend you fools tell each other.

    And these genetic testing companies are making a load of money on fools like you. At best what one can learn about himself in reality is which haplogroups he belongs to.

    ‘It made me question my ancestry’: does DNA home testing really understand race?
    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2018/aug/11/question-ancestry-does-dna-testing-really-understand-race

    Mongrel families such as yours are the first clientele of these scammers – idiots, looking for some noble genes. You wouldn’t need it if you really had any.

    The transfer of Ukraine to Russia altered the balance of power and enabled Russia to score some victories. That has been undone now. No more such victories, savages.

    The conquest of Ukraine. The land where is now Ukraine is the Russian land, and it was liberated from the Polish and Lithuanian occupiers. The Russians should have expelled the fake people called the Ukrainians from there together with the Poles.

    Until Poland stagnated in the 18th century it was well ahead of savage Moscow. No data from Ukraine at that time but the trend line suggests that it was between Russia and Poland in the 17th century.

    Yes it was.

    And then it wasn’t.

    There is nothing to compare – the Russians went on to become one of the most sophisticated people on earth, and the Poles as well as the Lithuanians degraded. The Ukrainians are not even close to the latter two, let alone to the Russians.

    Dostoyevsky’s father was born in Ukraine and was the son of a Greek Catholic priest. He was a minor Ukrainian nobleman (the family had come to Ukraine from Belarus a century or two earlier). Thus Dostoyevsky was half-Ukrainian.

    Even if Dostoevsky’s father was born in Ukraine – which he wasn’t, because there were no Ukraine – even then Dostoevsky himself would still be a Russian, because he was born in Moscow, and his father was a Russian living in what is now Ukraine, but then wasn’t.

    He was a Russian, spoke Russian, wrote in Russian.

    Here is a map from the 17th century showing “Ukraine”. Tell me Sharikov, did the 17th century come before the 18th?

    What a dumbass.

    Ukraine was still a province of the Polish-Lithuanian state in the 17th century. Of course there was a Polish map of Ukraine.

    No, [Most cities in Ukraine were built by the Russians] only the ones in the far south and east. And they were small towns and cities before the Ukrainians moved in from the surrounding countryside.

    Let’s check it out.

    Uzhhorod – the historical name of the city is Hungarian, Ungvár. Chernivtsi – the name Cernăuți is first attested in a document by Alexandru cel Bun. A Romanian town.

    Ternopil – the city was founded in 1540 by Polish commander and Hetman Jan Amor Tarnowski, as a military stronghold. Ivano-Frankivsk – Stanisławów was founded as a fortress and was named after the Polish hetman Stanisław “Rewera” Potocki.

    The city of Lviv was founded in 1250 by King Daniel of Galicia. Lutsk is an ancient Slavic town, mentioned in the Hypatian Chronicle as Luchesk in the records of 1085 – a Russian town.

    Rivne was first mentioned in 1283 in the Polish annals “Rocznik kapituły krakowskiej” as one of the inhabited places of Halych-Volhynia.

    Khmelnytskyi – the earliest known mention in historical sources was in 1431, when it was known as Płoskirów and was part of the Kingdom of Poland.

    Zhytomyr was one of the prominent cities of Kievan Rus’ – a Russian town. Vinnytsia – a Lithuanian fortress. Bila Tserkva – founded in 1032, the city was named Yuriiv by Yaroslav the Wise, whose Christian name was Yuri – a Russian town.

    The first record about Cherkasy dates from 1305 in the Gustynskiy Chronicle, which is the Kyivan Rus chronicle – a Russian town. Chernihiv was first mentioned in the Rus’–Byzantine Treaty – i.e. a Russian town.

    On May 8, 1775, after the end of the Russian-Turkish War, Russian authorities established Kryvyi Rih as a staging post, in 1860 the village was designated a township.

    Dnipro – the original town of Yekaterinoslav was founded in 1777, the city was named in honor of the Russian Empress Catherine the Great. Zaporizhzhia – until 1921 the city bore the name of Aleksandrovsk after the name of a fortress that formed a part of the Dnieper Defence Line of the Russian Empire.

    Poltava – the present name of the city is traditionally connected to the settlement Ltava which is mentioned in the Hypatian Chronicle in 1174. An old Russian town.

    Sumy – in 1656–58 at the site of Sumyn early settlement, under the leadership of Muscovite voivode K. Arsenyev, there was built a city-fort that consisted of a fort and a town.

    Kharkiv – mentioned in The Tale of Igor’s Campaign. An old Russian town.

    There are no cities in what is now Ukraine, founded by the Ukrainians. There had not been a people called Ukrainians before the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth era. There had not been a language called Ukrainian before the late 17th century, and even then it was not considered a language yet.

    The Ukrainian people are a young ethnos, about 300 years old, formed in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.

    The Ukrainians despite being outnumbered 4.5:1 by the Russians in population are still holding off the Russians.

    The logic of a monkey, how cute – it counts population.

    Count the soldiers, fool.

    Stupid, silly ape.

    It took you two posts to figure out that those corrections were necessary. I had to explain it to you more than once for you to understand and make the calculations.

    No it took two posts for you to explain that you were guessing. You were asked to explain how you had arrived to that number. You didn’t want to admit that you were either guessing or calculating it wrongly, using percentages or something like that.

    The same as you are doing it again below, though it isn’t what was asked of you.

    LOL, so dumb Sharikov still “thinks” that countries do not have their own IQ standardization but are on some universal standard. The average IQ within the USA is 100, within the UK is 100, within Canada is 100, and so on. Each of these countries has its own norm.

    What a dumbass.

    Read again,

    You are the one who was insisting that the test versions for various countries were calibrated with varying degrees of difficulties, in order to bring them everywhere to the average score of 100.

    Yes, you were pushing the idea that the questions were selected and created for various local versions of the test in such a way, that the average result would produce a score of 100 in a given country, and it took me a very long paragraph to explain to a retarded moron like you, what the norms are and how it really works.

    You were saying that the questions for smarter countries were made more difficult, in order to lower the average score and make it fit to the scale.

    You are a complete idiot.

    Stupid Ukrainian ape.

    Even now you still don’t understand that.

    I did it 2 days before you did. [Tell me what the standard IQ score would be for the PISA scores of 418, 625 and 566.] I don’t need to do calculations in this case, that is for Sharikovs, my estimates are accurate enough. I’d estimate 89, 118, and 110.

    You are not asked to provide an inaccurate or accurate estimate, you were asked to prove that you are capable to figure out how to scale the PISA score to the IQ standard correctly. You are showing that you haven’t figured out how to do that, though it’s basic arithetic.

    The answer should be exact – 87.7, 118.7, 109.9, and that’s not what you estimate based on proportions, percentages or anything else.

    The last chance. You need to scale these numbers from mean 500 deviation 100 to mean 100 deviation 15, and it’s really simple. You only need to figure it out, it’s basic arithmetic.

    Here are the new numbers – 342, 504 and 698.

    Prove you are not that stupid. A child can do this.

    • Replies: @AP
  197. songbird says:
    @Barbarossa

    IMO, even more reason for energy independence. That way you can potentially strong-arm the nitrogen, if you need to.

    Kind of scary to think how in the more developed parts of the world, there’s never been less people on the farms or who grew up on farms, so in a way, farming problems might be considered to be a smaller consideration for the elites than ever before.

  198. Sean says:
    @German_reader

    It could have built one if it had wanted (look at the Swedish effort during the Cold War), but Germany never had a force sufficient to repel a Soviet attack. And the US was not going to step on the ladder of nuclear war to save Western Europe from a Soviet (10: 1 in tube artillery) conventional onslaught. So the obvious conclusion is the Germans never believed they needed a massive conventional army capable of repulsing a Soviet attack because the Germans never really believed the USSR would ever attack and start a global WW3 that, even if conventional they would most assuredly lose against American matchless industrial and economic power.

    the “free riding” arguments so dear to a certain kind of American

    Eisenhower, he thought the US taxpayer would not continue to pay for defending Germany and the Germans need to step up and get their own nuclear weapons. JFK continued with that policy, which terrified Khrushchev and led him to cause the Berlin and Cuban crises.

  199. Sean says:
    @Ron Unz

    Covid leaked from an AMERICAN lab and not the notorious Chinese facility at centre of pandemic cover-up, claims top US professor described as ‘Xi propagandist’

    It is a simple matter to say it “came from an American lab”. But the wording of Sachs’s statement was significantly different.

    Famous US economist Jeffrey Sachs, who led a two-year probe into the pandemic’s origins, said he was ‘pretty convinced’ the virus was the result of ‘US lab biotechnology‘.

    ‘US lab biotechnology was in Wuhan because the most advanced techniques used in Wuhan were taught to bat lady Shi’s researchers by Professor Ralph Baric in North Carolina in 2015, and it caused eminent scietists to question its rationality just as a 2013 experiment on influenza had. Simon Wain- Hobson was in the forefont both times.
    https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpubh.2014.00077/full

    Engineered bat virus stirs debate over risky research – Naturehttps://www.nature.com › news
    12 Nov 2015 — Lab-made coronavirus related to SARS can infect human cells. An experiment that created a hybrid version of a bat coronavirus — one related .

    Some people like to play with fire. Others find it remunerative.

    https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/98075

    Vanity Fair’s Katherine Eban details the evolution of the EcoHealth Alliance […] The organization went from a struggling nonprofit focused on saving manatees (under the name Wildlife Trust) to winning multi-million-dollar federal grants to study pandemic prevention. Its first big break came in 2009 when it won $18 million as part of a USAID pandemic prevention effort called PREDICT. But its leader, Peter Daszak, PhD, had been collaborating for years prior to that with Shi Zhengli, PhD, of the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV). Daszak and Zhengli published their first paper together in 2005 — on how horseshoe bats were a likely reservoir for SARS-like viruses. EcoHealth Alliance subcontracted $1.1 million of the PREDICT grant to WIV, Vanity Fair reported.

    Eban details the work spawned by this alliance that has sparked several flash points in the SARS-CoV-2 origin debate. “Gain-of-function” research conducted in 2015 by Zhengli and collaborator Ralph Baric, PhD, of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, involved the creation of two chimeric coronaviruses that were similar to the one that caused the 2002 SARS outbreak.

    That the virus, whether created in Wuhan or brought there from a remote cave near Laos by Bat Lady’s minions, escaped from a Wuhan lab to cause the pandemic is the most likely possibility on the grounds of propinquity alone. Against a US bioweapon attack is it lacks the capability to only preferentially infect and be transmitted by Chinese, China is a nuclear powerer that would regard it as an act of war and would surely quickly discover what happened, whereupon it would simply have to retaliate, and it is not at all obvious anyone in the US Deep State thinks China can overtake the US, so why resort to such desperate measures?

  200. @Greasy William

    Who was the Ukrainian nationalist leader after WWI

    German and Austrian intelligence services………….and Vladimir Lenin of course.

    “nationalist” is completely the wrong word for this sadist, loser, worthless POS Peliura.
    Amusingly as part of central rada and then with his post-central rada criminal work – he and they deliberately did not include Galicia as a place they intended for inclusion into the fake nation of Ukraine (parts of Kursk and Voronezh- yes, but on western recognised borders of Ukraine in modern era, it was Crimea and Galicia -no). Yes Lvov/Galicia region is worthless sh*thole, but amusingly and paradoxically it is in the modern era the “home” of Ukrainian “nationalism” – despite being the historical reject of it.

    It’s one of many inconsistencies and no nation can survive with this amount of nonsensical contradictions

  201. Ron Unz says:
    @AnonfromTN

    Well, I don’t know about that. For example, maybe there are actually only 100 million Americans and the government is pretending that the total is around 330 million in order to make our country look more powerful and influential in the world. But maybe the Russians are doing the same thing and their true population is only 40 million. Maybe it’s all just a practical joke by the Venusians for one of their TV comedy shows.

    Actually, as far as I know, almost all the Flu Hoaxers accept the official figures for annual American deaths, or at least none of the other ones I’ve argued with have ever disputed them. So on this issue, you seem much more extreme than any Flu Hoaxer I’ve previously encountered.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    , @AnonfromTN
  202. AP says:
    @Beckow

    If around 10% of the city’s…

    Just stop at “if” – it is your conjecture that cannot be validated and we disagree. Any conclusions you base on that are apriori unverifiable and therefore wrong. No rational observer believes that “Russian support” (or sympathy) is 10%.

    It’s validated by polls, which you conveniently reject.

    No rational observer believes that “Russian support” (or sympathy) is 10%.

    Your claim. Even 10% support seems high, given that Russia is bombing and killing those people. But polls indicate around 10%.

    “Random partisans have started killing Russian activists there now.”

    Basically criminals murdering any Russian speaker they can find

    Don’t lie about “any Russian speaker they can find.” The partisans there themselves speak Russian, as does most of the rest of the population.

    They are killing collaborators like this guy:

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/6/24/russian-appointed-official-killed-blast-ukraine-occupied-kherson

    Russian-appointed official in occupied Kherson killed in blast

    Ukraine’s policies that Russian nationalists don’t like are “un-European.”

    When you lose an argument you escape into intentional ‘misunderstanding’ – but you must be aware of EU human rights and minority protection policies.

    I’ve already explained to you that Ukraine follow the policies of EU members in the Baltics and France.

    Your point is that since enough EU politicians hate Russia they will go easy on implementing their own laws or values that help Russians. That may be temporarily true

    What “temporarily?” You kept insisting that western Europe is on an eternal centuries-long crusade against Russia.

    Were you lying then, or are you lying now?

    • Replies: @Beckow
  203. AP says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    “Because she is no academic, she thought the obsolete and debunked work from 1971 she referenced, was proof of something. You were dumb enough to make the same mistake.”

    Personal attack on her doesn’t discredit anything. She referenced the book of J. McVicker Hunt, a prominent American academic.

    She referenced 70 year old, obsolete discredited material in order to convince dumb people to buy her product that claims to increase IQ.

    Apparently, it worked to convince a dummy like you.

    The research showed that intelligence is not inherited but developed.

    70 year old research whose conclusions have been discredited long ago.

    Meanwhile in the modern world:

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30670647/

    after accounting for general cognitive ability (GCA) at an average age of 20 y, additional education, occupational complexity, or engagement in cognitive-intellectual activities accounted for little variance in late midlife cognitive functioning in men age 56-66…the most parsimonious explanation of our results, a meta-analysis of the impact of education, and epidemiologic studies of the Flynn effect is that intellectual capacity gains due to education plateau in late adolescence/early adulthood

    So after age 20 there isn’t much improvement anymore.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/mp2014105#:~:text=(i)%20The%20heritability%20of%20intelligence,genetically%20about%200.60%20or%20higher.

    “(i) The heritability of intelligence increases from about 20% in infancy to perhaps 80% in later adulthood. (ii) Intelligence captures genetic effects on diverse cognitive and learning abilities, which correlate phenotypically about 0.30 on average but correlate genetically about 0.60 or higher”

    ::::::::::::::

    This is why families occupy about the same social status and income level for hundreds of years (I have previously provided links to Hungary, Sweden, etc.) and why attempts to change this through artificially providing “opportunities” waste resources.

    Russia is inferior to the USA.

    The crime rate and incarceration rate is a lot higher in the US.

    Not for Americans of European descent.

    The external debt is a lot higher in the US

    Irrelevant. The fact that America can support this is further evidence of its greatness.

    The higher education rate is a lot lower in the US.

    This is very good. It is probably still too high, it should be around 20%. Germany with 27% is better. Russia gives too many tertiary degrees to idiots such as you.

    “Sharikov can’t read the chart and Sharikov can’t reason. Those numbers are for Bachelor’s degrees, not MDs.

    Repeating after me doesn’t make you look smarter ape.”

    Nowhere in that chart does it mention a Bachelor’s degree, don’t make it up.

    As I said, Sharikov can’t read the chart and Sharikov can’t reason.

    The chart says “majors.” A “major” is the specialization of an undergraduate degree in a college or university.

    https://occameducation.com/defining-major-course-class/

    A “major” is a term common to American and Canadian higher education parlance. A student’s “major” refers to what their primary area of study is. For instance, a common question students in the US will ask one another is “what is your major?”, to which students respond with what field they are working for a degree in.

    A student who successfully completes the courses prescribed in a major qualifies for an undergraduate degree with the name of the major attached to it. For example, a student who completes an Arabic Studies major at the University of Notre Dame earns a Bachelor of Arts (B.A.) in Arabic Studies.

    Mistake after mistake and mass murder of one’s own population.

    There were mistakes but not mass murder.

    Sharikov doesn’t think there was mass murder in the Soviet Union.

    Mikhail Bulgakov, Dmitri Shostakovich, Maya Plisetskaya, Mstislav Rostropovich, Mikhail Sholokhov are a few examples of the people who created the great Soviet art of that era.

    Bulgakov was a man of the pre-Soviet times who was censored persecuted by the Soviets. He was clearly not a Soviet Man. Not surprisingly, he was the greatest of the people on your list.

    Learn to count, ape.

    Population of Spain during Franco was about 25 million, of the USSR during Stalin about 200 million.

    In the 1930s (the period we are discussing) Spain’s population was indeed around 25 million but the USSR’s was around 162 million.

    Sharikov can’t count.

    Sharikov in his dishonesty quotes me incorrectly:

    Poor Spaniards, 200 000 or so of them were killed by that dictatorship, rather than millions as were killed in Russia.

    I wrote: “Poor Spaniards, 50,000-200,000 or so of them were killed by that dictatorship”

    You dishonestly removed the lower part of the range in the estimate of victims of Franco’s regime.

    Then you did math to try to prove something:

    During the entire Stalin period 800 thousand people were executed.
    https://sovietinfo.tripod.com/GTY-Penal_System.pdf

    That is 0.8 percent in Spain and 0.4 in the USSR.

    1. The 800,000 refers to the number of people for whom there is an order for execution in archives. It does not cover anyone else killed (do you really believe every murder has a surviving order), this number is estimated at around a million. Moreover, I referred to the number of people killed by the government (Sharikov can’t read). Not everyone killed by Stalin’s regime was the victim of an executioner. Some people were worked to death in the gulags, others were killed while being transported, and millions were starved to death by his policies. Altogether, through various means, Stalin’s regime killed about 9 million people. (This does not even include the tens of millions killed during World War II as a result of his incompetence).

    2. See above, estimates for those killed in Spain range from 50,000-200,000 in total (not just the number of people for whom there is an order of execution in archives). If you were honest you would use the middle number, 125,000. Then for Soviets you would use the number of 9 million.

    Can Sharikov do that math?

    “White Americans have a lower incarceration rate than in Russia.”

    No one cares.

    The US is a police dictatorship with the highest incarceration rate in the world.

    It is keeping a more or less first world crime rate with a population that includes a large third world segment. If you are a European in America you are incarcerated at a lower rate than Russians and Belarussians.

    [MORE]

    “When everything was privatized, people were given the place where they happened to live. So either everyone in this situation was a thief, or no one was.”

    Most people fool happened to live in the apartments corresponding to the average value of the product the people were producing.

    Thanks for confirming that the Soviets produced nothing of much value. Most people in the USSR lived in squalid conditions.

    Except for the commie bastard families, who were placed in the elite buildings because they happened to be on the top of the commie food chain

    They created and ran the entire system, that you support. They were your superiors. Your masters. Your creators, Sharikov. Your lack of gratitude is another of your disgusting traits.

    But they were given a fortune, taken from the people, for their connections and not for a merit.

    The apartment came with a promotion to an important job working directly for the Central Committee. It was not some kind of a free gift. A home in the provinces was given up and this one one in Moscow was taken, when the job offer was accepted.

    Had there been a less important job at a factory or at a clinic, a more modest dwelling would have been provided. Instead, this one was.

    “So was their entire building supposed to be evicted? What would happen to the empty building and all the apartments in them? And why should someone at the top of the society be downgraded to a regular apartment in a regular neighborhood?”

    Of course, the entire building was supposed to be evicted. That building was a high value real estate, it was supposed to be sold, at the least.

    As a Soviet you naturally have no qualms about stealing from people, such as stealing their home.

    Your logic can be extrapolated to the apartments of the ambassador families in London and elsewhere

    Ambassadors are not forced to give up their previous house when they become Ambassadors, and that position is obviously temporary.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
  204. Mikhail says: • Website

  205. Wokechoke says:
    @Ron Unz

    What I do know is that the worst sort of people are going to consolidate power in western societies.

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  206. @Wokechoke

    What I do know is that the worst sort of people are going to consolidate power in western societies.

    This is a definite maybe. Not near the category of known fact. Compare with:

    density of water at standard temp & P = 1gm / cm^3

    Also I nominate Victoria Nuland as worst sort of people > {Musk, Bezos, Gates, ++} but opinions are various. Nuland can’t even bend over to tie her own shoes for all her great power maneuvers. She can barely reach down to wipe her own ass.

    • LOL: Mikhail
  207. songbird says:

    Wonder how Stalin would compare to each of the Tudors, in terms of percentage estimates.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @S
  208. @Ron Unz

    Tell you what, if disbelieving the government is considered extreme, there is no hope for the country. None whatever. Sad.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  209. German_reader says:
    @songbird

    Percentage of what? People executed as percentage of the general population?
    I’d guess Stalin was considerably worse, though some of the Tudors were pretty unpleasant.

    • Replies: @songbird
  210. Sean says:
    @AnonfromTN

    Pre Khmelnytsky it was was owned by Polish lords and administered by Jewish arrendators. He allied it with Russia thereby accepting a certain overlordship. Russia was fighting the backward peoples, while Poland embroiled with the militarily advanced Sweden, later inventors of the NLAW. Russia ceasing to have worry very much about China is going to be a turning point in my opinion.

    The Eastern extent of Khmelnytsky’s Hetemanate looks very like what modern Ukraine holds minus what Russia has taken in its current military campaign; enduring constraints imposed by terrain no doubt. Which is dressed up as ‘history’ and ‘culture’. A good example is Kiev cant be encircled because of the ravines and bogs on its north-western side. The West of Ukraine is where most of Ukraine’s militarily useful infrastructure was built during the Cold War

    • Replies: @AP
  211. S says:
    @songbird

    Wonder how Stalin would compare to each of the Tudors, in terms of percentage estimates.

    ‘Percentage estimates’, as in personal popularity, or, percentage of their own people they had murdered?

    One, of course, always has to watch out for biases in regard to what we are told about people of the past. It can sometimes be difficult to ferret out exactly what the truth was.

    For instance, I’m not sure King Henry VIII was quite the fat uncouth pig shown in the clip below of the infamous chicken eating scene from The Private Life of King Henry VIII (1933), though they did get it right about him writing his own music, some of which wasn’t half bad. 🙂

    • LOL: songbird
    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
  212. songbird says:
    @German_reader

    Don’t know how far to trust these estimates, but reign of Henry VII is said to be 57,000-72,000 executions (or at least those are two big estimates thrown out there.) If true, that would be pretty high, but seems probably unscientific.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @S
  213. German_reader says:
    @songbird

    That would have been more than 1% of the population of England and Wales at the time, if understand correctly.
    Seems a bit high, but I don’t know, maybe it’s possible. If it’s purely about number of direct executions, maybe percentage could even be higher than under Stalin (there were more than 700 000 executions during the Great Terror, but as a percentage of the entire population that was below 1%).

    • Replies: @songbird
    , @songbird
    , @Coconuts
  214. Beckow says:
    @AP

    Your inability to think straight is getting worse, you mix up arguments (intentionally), omit what others say, etc… Kiev losing the war in front of our eyes is getting to you, I worry about what will your reactions be as this gets worse.

    It’s validated by polls…

    There are no polls in Lysichansk, or Donbas in general – you are simply making it up or confusing it with “polls” elsewhere.

    We see videos of ‘liberated’ Donbas with people in perfect Russian scream abuse at Ukies, show anger at Kiev, and welcome the Russian army. There is even a Sky News YouTube video from Lysichansk showing the same – except they bury it in endless driving around with Ukie soldiers – but there are a few short segments of civilians who call the Ukie soldiers murderers and want them out. You manipulate in the same way. Is it possible that all those are hired actors? Do you really believe that?

    The reality that you cannot accept is that most of Donbas is Russian not only in speech, but in preferences and outlook. Kiev occupied 2/3 out of it after 2014 and did some nasty stuff there – now most people there perceive the war as horrible, but also as ‘liberation’. I am sure there were pro-Kiev Ukrainians who left Donbas and who are angry. But your “only 10% pro-Russian” is a lie, you made it up and it is unsupported by what we see. It is also unsupported by what Ukr refugees are saying – the support for Zelko seems around 10-15% at best, most are neutral – in today’s charged war atmosphere that suggests pro-Russian sympathies. Minsk deal was a ‘neutral solution’ – it was Kiev who rejected it.

    EU knows all of this – it also means an end to any Kiev dreams. You will scream, shout and lie for a few more months as your crazy aggressive inhuman attack on ‘anything Russian’ goes on. Then, after the eventual loss, you will disappear to cry in private. But in the meantime if you want to discuss this, don’t make up ‘polls’ or ignore obvious realities.

    • Replies: @AP
    , @AnonfromTN
  215. @S

    Henry VIII was athlete, fighter, macho big shot when young. Longevity was not one of his practical priorities and he was a mess at middle age. There is a great scene in the last one of the episodes 6 wives Henry VIII where he is with number 6 and crying because he has no physical power to service her vag. Just him and the Mrs.

    • Replies: @S
  216. S says:
    @songbird

    I would suspect Stalin did have the majority as to pure numbers murdered, but as percentages compared to Tudors, wouldn’t know.

    • Replies: @songbird
  217. AP says:
    @Beckow

    Kiev losing the war in front of our eyes is getting to you

    Your fantasies are desperate. Kiev controls more territory now than it did after the first month. It has now started inflicting significantly heavier casualties upon the Russians it’s it’s longer range artillery (just hit some Russian barracks).

    We see videos of ‘liberated’ Donbas with people in perfect Russian scream abuse at Ukies, show anger at Kiev, and welcome the Russian army. There

    As I have already explained to you, about 10% of that territory’s population supported Russia and these are the people who chose to stay for the “liberation” and express their love of Russia.

    Is it possible that all those are hired actors? Do you really believe that?

    If you were correct, Beckow, you wouldn’t have to resort to constant lying. I have not claimed that these people were hired actors. As I have already explained, Russian media can just find some vocal supporters from the pro-Russian minority.

    But your “only 10% pro-Russian” is a lie, you made it up

    No, it was an estimate based on a poll that I had posted previously. You had commented on it before, so now you lie when you claim I made it up, you knew I had posted the poll. Here is the poll, from May 18:

    https://www.kiis.com.ua/?lang=ukr&cat=reports&id=1112&page=1

    In Eastern Ukraine (Kharkiv, Kiev-controlled Donetsk and Luhansk) 4% of people like Russia. When the poll was made, Lysychansk and Severodonetsk were part of Ukraine’s Kiev-held territory. East has more “cannot says” than other regions (presumably some of those don’t want to admit it), and Kharkiv is less pro-Russian than Donbas, so 10% is a reasonable estimate for Donbas based on the poll result for the region overall. If in reality it was 8% or 12%, that doesn’t make much of a difference.

    That fact that you are surprised that being bombed and killed by Russia would turn most people against Russia (except for a minority of hardcore Russian supporters) really highlights the depths of your servility.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    , @Anatoly Karlin
    , @Mikel
  218. AP says:
    @Sean

    Pre Khmelnytsky it was was owned by Polish lords

    This is a myth that both Russian and Ukrainian nationalists promote. The largest and most powerful landlord in Ukraine was Yarema Vyshnevetsky, a Rurikid prince who despite converting to Catholicism as an adult, lavishly funded the Orthodox Church throughout his life. He had also been involved in massive settlement and state building in his lands and had crushed and kept the Tatars at bay.

    Khmelnytsky’s uprising was a civil war between minor Rus gentry such as Khmelnytsky plus peasants, versus Rus magnates and a minority of their supported among Rus minor nobles. Khmelnytsky brought Tatars in his side (ironically Vyshnevetsky protected Orthodox monasteries while Khmelnytsky’s allies looted them), the Rus magnates brought in Poles and German mercenaries. When the Tatars proved to be unreliable allies, in desperation Khmelnytsky sold out to the Muscovite Tsar, with devastating consequences for Ukraine’s future. Ukrainians have been struggling to undo this crime.

    When Ukraine and Poland were united:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Orsha

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @Seraphim
  219. @Beckow

    don’t make up ‘polls’ or ignore obvious realities.

    Ukies don’t need to make up numbers personally. Kiev puppets provide all the fake numbers a Ukie needs. These fake numbers are then repeated by lugenpresse in the empire and all its minions. They cannot stomach the reality, so they have to invent parallel reality of fakes.

  220. Miro23 says:
    @Beckow

    If it was done in a lab it could only have two goals:

    – use it to develop better protection against all corona viruses
    – a bioweapon.

    The first one is quite odd and illogical, but people have done more stupid things in science. As a bioweapon it is almost impossible to control and thus useless in geopolitics. Unless the targets were actually the people who were hit: elderly, sick and fat. Like in a bad James Bond movie…

    It may actually be useless but it’s the perception that matters. In the Kagans 2000 strategy document, “The Project for the New American Century” they say:

    P.60 – Information systems will become an important focus of attack, particularly for U.S. enemies seeking to short-circuit sophisticated American forces. And advanced forms of biological warfare that can “target” specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool.

    So since that document has the magical property of turning speculation into reality, then it may well have been another “politically useful tool” same as their “New Pearl Harbour”.

    The neo-cons are political activists not scientists.

  221. Beckow says:
    @AP

    And, a drum roll…AP doubles-down, Kiev victory because, well, it doesn’t matter, it is self-therapy. The chances of Kiev reversing the losses in the east and south are close to nil. Wars are won by taking more territory, Russian-side has taken more land than they had on 2/24/2022 – ipso facto, Russia is winning.

    You again quote a “poll” done during a war – that is nonsense. The 10% you simply pulled out of your whatever. It is not verifiable, and the warm welcome that the Russians are receiving in liberated Donbas cities says that it just may be exactly the opposite of what you claim.

    Donbas people have been bombed by Kiev for 8 years, any pro-Russian sympathies were brutally suppressed, many were killed – by “partisans” as you call them) – by your own logic that says that it turned most people against Kiev. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander…

    Out of curiosity: what would be the scenario of Kiev winning? more Western weapons and a successful offensive in the eats and south? Or managing to hold on to Kiev and Lviv, maybe Odessa? In what world is that a “victory”? The resulting rump Ukraine would be smaller, deprived of access to sea and resources, and with the victorious Russians right over the horizon. Probably assisted by very angry Donbas Russians looking for revenge.

    This is not looking good for Kiev, they should try something new. It is also not looking good for Europe: euro at $1.02, gas and hot water rationing, poor harvests, angry populations, lame leaders. It can only be blamed on the devil Putin for so long, all narratives eventually run out of steam.

    In the Middle Ages all misfortunes were blamed on satanic forces, it was easier: plagues, famines, droughts, wars… Satan did it! The West has reverted to the same technique but in the newly atheist societies they had to resort to anthropomorphism…the pure comedy in this is reinvigorating. Collapsed Western culture that cannot make a decent movie or new music, but can still conjure up great myths: Satan is coming!!! (oh, and keep the thermostat low to save energy, take shorter showers, that will show the Satan!)

    • Replies: @AP
  222. @AP

    It has now started inflicting significantly heavier casualties upon the Russians it’s it’s longer range artillery (just hit some Russian barracks).

    If Ukraine is doing so well why is it intensifying efforts to conscript men? Is it beginning to run out of volunteers?

    That fact that you are surprised that being bombed and killed by Russia would turn most people against Russia (except for a minority of hardcore Russian supporters) really highlights the depths of your servility.

    There’s servility, and then there’s smarts and self-preservation. (Leaving aside the wider morality of fighting against your co-ethnics in service of Western interests).

    • Disagree: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    , @AP
    , @Beckow
  223. songbird says:
    @German_reader

    One of my putative Norman ancestors was supposedly in some procession in London, led by royal guards with axes, and he looked to the man standing next to him, and thought he seemed nervous, so he asked him why, and he told him that his father and grandfather had been beheaded. But that was under Henry VII, after Lambert Simnel.

    Henry VII played a joke on that crowd, when he had Simnel come to the table and offer them wine. My ancestor was in on the joke, and took the wine. The others were too afraid.

    But it doesn’t seem like he was too bloody, on that occasion. Simnel himself was spared. In Dublin, when the boy was crowned, he had been put on the shoulders of the tallest man, who was my ancestor’s uncle, and that uncle was later a kind of subcommander leading a division of the army at against Burke at Knockdoe, along with my ancestor (who was an informant), who had his own division.

  224. songbird says:
    @German_reader

    Any good alternatives to Google Books or Archive.org? Am trying to peruse rare, out of copyright volumes, and the ones I am looking for don’t seem to be on those platforms.

    Google Books seems to have somewhat fizzled. Years ago, I thought they had the resources to get all these books, even if I didn’t like their system very much. (massively bad taste to put your own header on someone else’s book, should come last, if at all. Default should be to find free books, not reprinted and thus in copyright and unreadable ones. Terrible resolution, and no good small file format translations)

    But I can’t see why they couldn’t have just let them scan the books, and then gone on to develop a better alternative.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @S
  225. S says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Henry VIII was athlete, fighter, macho big shot when young. Longevity was not one of his practical priorities and he was a mess at middle age.

    That’s very true. When young, he was a rock star amongst the European royalty. It was the jousting accident injury, in particular, which really slowed him down.

    There is a great scene in the last one of the episodes 6 wives Henry VIII where he is with number 6 and crying because he has no physical power to service her vag. Just him and the Mrs.

    Poor guy, poor girl.

    I’ve not seen the particular series, though I’m sure it’s good. The HBO Tudors series is worth a watch if you’ve not seen it. They show wife number 5, a very young Howard, and a really cool Nonsuch castle Henry was constructing, in one of the episodes. When one of the wives wasn’t being executed, and not in too much pain, Henry got to live something like a fairy tale existance.

    Wife #4, the German Anne of Cleves, is given a fair shake in the HBO series, coming off sensible and practical, if not being a great beauty.

    Contrast that with how Anne of Cleves is presented in the aforementioned 1933 version of Henry VIII, ie as half lusty tart/half weirdo. In reality, both Henry and Anne in the film were London born husband and wife actor and actress Charles Laughton and Elsa Lanchestor respectively, Lanchestor being a rather beautiful woman.

    Taking into account the year amd location the film was produced, 1933 England, the still fresh memories of WWI, the events then taking place in Germany, and the fact that the film’s director and co-producer, Alexander Korda, was Jewish, may all help to explain that less than flattering rendition of Anne.

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  226. @Anatoly Karlin

    If Ukraine is doing so well why is it intensifying efforts to conscript men? Is it beginning to run out of volunteers?

    The only thing I can say about your and other commenters’ discussions with AP: when I was a student, we had saying “do not seek truth where there is none”.

  227. AP says:
    @Beckow

    Russian-side has taken more land than they had on 2/24/2022 – ipso facto, Russia is winning

    By your logic, Germany was winning World War II until January 1945 because it still controlled more territory than when the war started.

    We are not in January 1945 yet, as I said it is 1943. Either side can still win.

    It is not verifiable, and the warm welcome that the Russians are receiving in liberated Donbas cities says that it just may be exactly the opposite of what you claim.

    The fact that only less than 10% if the population chose to stay for the “liberation” and that some of these cheered for Russia seems to verify the poll results.

    Out of curiosity: what would be the scenario of Kiev winning? more Western weapons and a successful offensive in the eats and south? Or managing to hold on to Kiev and Lviv, maybe Odessa? In what world is that a “victory”?

    Keeps all or most of the pre-February 2022 territory, no concessions on demilitarization or internal matters, integration with EU would be a clear victory – it means Ukraine fought off the aggressor and wasn’t forced to compromise with ridiculous demands. Ukraine is more united and consolidated than ever, it moves forward without Russia.

    Lesser victory would be loss of territories but with independence maintained (choice to join EU accepted, no demilitarization, etc.). Obviously at some point the loss of too much territory would qualify the war as a defeat. I think loss of all Donbas but regaining Kherson and thus keeping all of its the Black Sea coast would still qualify as a victory, if the result will be a strongly united, militarised, prosperous Ukraine that is strongly linked to Europe and definitely rid of Russia.

    • Replies: @Beckow
  228. German_reader says:
    @songbird

    Any good alternatives to Google Books or Archive.org?

    Don’t know tbh. In Germany the websites of public libraries often provide scans of old books. I used some from the 18th century for my own work that way, but there are even older ones, e. g. here’s one from the early 16th century on the website of the Munich digitalization centre, afffiliated with the Bayerische Staatsbibliothek:
    https://www.digitale-sammlungen.de/de/view/bsb10984406?q=%28compendiosa+ars%29&page=4,5

    Don’t know about Ireland (and can’t look extensively now, need to get up at 4 am tomorrow), but here’s a list of resources that might be useful:
    https://guides.lib.uchicago.edu/c.php?g=527774&p=3608586

    • Thanks: songbird
    • Replies: @German_reader
  229. AP says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    “It has now started inflicting significantly heavier casualties upon the Russians it’s it’s longer range artillery (just hit some Russian barracks).”

    If Ukraine is doing so well why is it intensifying efforts to conscript men? Is it beginning to run out of volunteers?

    Because it will need more than what it has in uniform now, and in order to train them adequately it will have to mobilise them months before they go into the field.

    As I said before, the outcome involves casualty ratios, Ukraine needs to keep them at o worse than a 1.5:1 disadvantage for itself to win (maybe it can even handle a 2:1 disadvantage). It was better than that around Kiev, worse than that in Donbas, but it looks like the new Western long-range equipment is bringing the ratio back to where it needs to be for Ukraine. Russia will also be at less of an advantage as it leaves Donbas.

  230. German_reader says:
    @German_reader

    lol, the librarian from the uchicago link identifies as a they/them.
    Strange times we live in.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    , @songbird
  231. @German_reader

    lol, the librarian from the uchicago link identifies as a they/them.

    Split personality, maybe. A psychiatrist can tell.

  232. @S

    Only two of the wives got whacked!

    Divorced Beheaded Died
    Divorced Beheaded Survived

    • Replies: @S
  233. China’s BYD overtakes Tesla in global EV sales

    Shenzhen-based BYD sold 641,000 vehicles in the first six months of the year, a 300% jump from the same period a year earlier.

    That compared with 564,000 vehicles sold by Tesla, which has blamed a tough second quarter on supply chain and sales disruptions in China after its operations were hit by coronavirus lockdowns and travel restrictions.

    BYD has also overtaken South Korea’s LG as the world’s second-biggest producer of EV batteries, behind China’s Contemporary Amperex Technology, known as CATL.

    Analysts view the rise of China’s domestic auto industry as a forerunner to a tectonic shift in the global auto market as Chinese EV makers start to sharpen their focus on export markets.

    Last year China, the world’s largest car market, exported more than half a million electric vehicles, more than double from the year prior.

  234. S says:
    @songbird

    Any good alternatives to Google Books or Archive.org? Am trying to peruse rare, out of copyright volumes, and the ones I am looking for don’t seem to be on those platforms.

    I realize your question is directed to G_r, but how far back in years are you wanting to go? Only English language sites preferred? I might be able to help.

    [Am I reading that right about Google books. Though someone has scanned in a book that is public domain there, that they restrict a person’s ability to ‘copy and paste’ from it, ie you have to sign up first/pay a fee?]

    • Replies: @songbird
  235. songbird says:
    @S

    USSR was roughly about 150 million in 1920-1930. I don’t think its population estimates or number of recorded killings can be trusted too well.

    England and Wales < 3 million under Henry VIII, when he died. Closer to 2 million when he was first crowned. Both numbers are less than modern Wales.

    Wish I could recall what Gregory Clark said about executions to compare his estimate, to those big ones. Anyway, probably a lot more executions related to crime, under Henry, who was in power 36 years, compared to Stalin's 30.

  236. songbird says:
    @S

    I realize your question is directed to G_r, but how far back in years are you wanting to go?

    About 1780-1900. English, as the primary language. Published in the UK.

    [Am I reading that right about Google books. Though someone has scanned in a book that is public domain there, that they restrict a person’s ability to ‘copy and paste’ from it, ie you have to sign up first/pay a fee?]

    Books that were printed in years that are out of copyright can be downloaded in PDF format for free.

    But let’s say that there is another scan of what amounts to the same material, a reprint. If the year makes it look like it could still be in copyright, then you generally can’t read them, even if the material is in the public domain – but I don’t think that is on them, so much as they are trying to cover themselves from litigation.

    • Replies: @S
  237. S says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Only two of the wives got whacked!

    Divorced Beheaded Died
    Divorced Beheaded Survived

    That’s better than a lot of people presume, though it’s still two beheading too much. 🙂

    I watched the whole 1933 Anne of Cleves clip again. It wasn’t quite as bad as I remembered it. Seems she may have been acting the weirdo part just to get a divorce and a nice settlement from Henry VIII. I think the idea was she had figured the quicker she got herself out of the marriage, the lesser her odds of her being beheaded wife #2.

    • Replies: @Beckow
  238. Beckow says:
    @AP

    Germany was winning World War II until January 1945 because it still controlled more territory than when the war started.

    A perfect example of another false analogy. It is not even remotely similar. Think: WWII, 20 million dead, multiple sides, the fight to death. (Or maybe you know something we don’t and this war is heading there too…)

    …Either side can still win.

    True. But rational people consider odds for different outcomes. At this point Kiev’s victory is at 10-15%. Those odds usually don’t pay, you have to increase it to 25-40% to make it more interesting. But how?

    all or most of the pre-February 2022 territory, no concessions on demilitarization or internal matters, integration with EU would be a clear victory

    It would depend on the precise definition of “most”. If Azov Sea and Kherson are lost, it would not be much of a victory. Losing a war is “demilitarization” of its own, and it is very unlikely that Kiev would be as uppity against Russia after that result.

    “…the loss of too much territory would qualify the war as a defeat.”

    It is 20% now, I would agree that anything less than 10% could be seen as a kind of victory for Kiev. But it is more likely it will go to 25-30% and no matter how that is ‘explained’ it would be a loss. Losing a war would change the chemistry in Kiev: it is not likely that the fire-breathing nationalists would be very popular – losers never are. They would have to use force and suppression – esp. if the economy is wobbly as it would be – and that is a dead-end. It would also make any EU integration impossible.

    This US article summarizes it better than I can – it is not anti-Ukraine, but realistic:
    https://thehill.com/opinion/international/3545188-have-sanctions-against-russia-boomeranged/

    No matter how you look at it, it looks bad for Kiev. They either need to change their game, or it will be a slow painful collapse. You and I can’t change it – but “living in truth” demands that we see it as it is. It was a catastrophic over-reach, followed by a mistake (not taking the Minsk deal), and now followed with potentially even more catastrophic consequences. But dream on, if you see no other way…

    • Replies: @AP
  239. @songbird

    You are referring to this scene (below). This was actually a realistic portrayal but of ROC National Revolutionary Army (NRA*). And controversial because the in the key scene the ROC flag was flown.*Even they wore Stahlhelm and Feldgrau it has “Revolutionary” in its name because they were initially under Leninist tutelage.

    The movie made it seem like a David vs. Goliath struggle, but–

    1. The 8 NRA German trained divisions were somewhat better equipped than the IJA. Hans von Seeckt originally wanted to built to 80 divisions– Japan at no point in WWII had more than 50 full strength divisions.

    2. The escalation of the Sino-Japanese War in 1937 was certainly largely due to Japanese militarism, but the actual Battle of Shanghai was mostly provoked by the Chinese (with Soviet and CCP goading), through a number of diplomatic incidents.

    3. Like the Ukrainians, Chiang Kai-shek wanted the West to intervene, so initiated the place of battle in Shanghai in front of Western concessions, to demonstrate Chinese resolve.

    Direct intervention did not come, like the Ukrainians, Chiang received only Waffenlieferengen and some volunteers. But it turned the battle into a meatgrinder because it put Chinese troops within range of IJN naval guns.

    4. You can further see that Japan was totally unprepared for a war with China because it had to be re-enforced three times, completely contrary to military logic.

    But the third IJA re-enforcement was a stroke of audacity in the style of Incheon Landing– by amphibiously landing behind Chinese lines. Had it not taken place the battle could have continued in stalemate.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Shanghai#Japanese_landings_at_Jinshanwei

    Historic Parallels between the Ukraine War and the Sino-Japanese War, Keikichi Takahashi at Osaka University

    The first similarity is that the war initiator tragically underestimated its target’s war potential. According to the testimony of CIA Director Bill Burns at the House Intelligence Committee hearing on March 8, Russian President Vladimir Putin had expected a quick victory over Ukraine, planning to seize Kiev within the first two days of the campaign. Similarly, when Japan started the war with China in 1937, few top government officials in Tokyo foresaw the long haul.

    Japan’s underestimation of China largely stemmed from its previous experience in Manchuria. From 1931 to 1932, Japanese military forces occupied the region and severed it from the rest of China to establish a puppet state.

    Likewise, Putin’s underestimation of Ukraine is said to come, at least partly, from his previous experience in Crimea.

    After the Crimean crisis, Germany neither cancelled nor scaled down the projects, but rather expanded them in order to import more natural gas at a low price from Russia.

    https://www.geopoliticalmonitor.com/historic-parallels-between-the-ukraine-war-and-the-sino-japanese-war/

    [MORE]

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  240. Beckow says:
    @S

    Henry VIII was a jealous man: both his beheaded wives were cheating. The second one started even before the marriage – that counted in the 16th century. The number of people who were killed as part of it was very substantial: accused lovers, family members, advisors who promoted the wives, etc…

    Henry VIII clearly had some self-confidence issues, not having a viable male heir didn’t help. Tudors were effectively usurpers – they won the throne in a battle, but their ‘legitimacy’ was very questionable. People like that kill without mercy when they feel threatened or insulted. Henry VIII considered any act or speech against him as “treason”: he was a totalitarian if there ever was one, but the English are reluctant to call spade a spade when at home.

    Stalin was equally insecure and vengeful, but his crimes were more collective (Khrushchev, Kaganovitch and other angry Ukies assisted a lot). Unlike Henry VIII, Stalin had to follow a process and was to some extent blocked by other power centers – in Henry VIII England there were no such niceties or limits. The English also burnt and disemboweled the accused, Stalin’s victims were dispatched much faster.

    Comparing different eras and assessing who was the biggest bastard is intriguing but pointless: in all tragedies dead bodies accumulate. Tragedies happen because people lose it – they want too much “justice”, revenge, exclusive fertile wives, perfect security. We need to watch out: narcissistic self-celebration and demonizing others is a slippery slope, a toxic brew that leads to wars and killing. It always happens when we stop listening to the other side, or pretend that they don’t have anything to say and “lie”.

    • Thanks: S
  241. songbird says:
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Guessing they may have been influenced by that Jackie Chan movie with the Roman soldiers, though I was impressed with their set-building ability. Haven’t been following Hollywood super-closely, but seems like a lot of what they do now is digital sets, and it wouldn’t surprise me much, if the Chinese have taken the foremost position in set-building.

    Didn’t they build a fake Shibuya Crossing for the Japanese and then gift it to them, after filming completed on Detective Chinatown 3? Something like that seems to harken back to the Golden Age of Hollywood, when they built a reproduction of the Senate Chamber on the Columbia lot for Mr. Smith Goes to Washington.

  242. Beckow says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    …fight Russia to the last law-abiding Ukrainian normie

    I have watched a few Ukie POW videos and their stories are always:

    We were conscripted or taken by force to fight with no training or good weapons, badly led and then abandoned. There were nationalist enforcers who threatened to shoot us if we deviate from any orders. There were others who shot at Russian civilians, we saw it, but we didn’t do it ourselves. We surrendered at first opportunity (or sometimes when in a no-win situation). The war is pointless and we don’t support the Kiev government.”

    There are almost 10k Ukie POWs, obviously any post-surrender statements will be self-serving. But there is also a normalcy about these guys and consistency. They are normies, they are not into the war, and they saw a lot of their comrades die horrible deaths. The fantasy that the Kiev government is promoting – and some here in our discussion – that all Ukrainians are now willing to fight the evil orcs to death is a self-serving fantasy.

    …fighting against your co-ethnics in service of Western interests

    No matter how the war ends, the sacrificed normies and their families will never forgive Kiev. That may be the single most important outcome of the war. The normies know whose interests they are dying for. They know they are being consciously sent to die.

    If it would lead to a victory for Kiev, it could be swept under the carpet. But if it is a defeat, it will have catastrophic consequences for Ukraine as a country, even as a nation. That threatens the future of Ukraine more than the devils in Kremlin or Donetsk. Rational nationalist (?) leadership in any country just don’t do this to their own people. Only cheap sell-out compradors would.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    , @AP
  243. Sean says:
    @AP

    Vyshnevetsky protected Orthodox monasteries while Khmelnytsky’s allies looted them

    I’m sure. I’ve seen Tony Curtis do stuff like that in Taras Bulba

    Western Ukraine was as I said.

    Under the arenda system the Jewish lessee administered the estate in the name of the Polish landowner, and, if living in the town, he found his customers among the nobility, officials, the Catholic clergy, and the local army garrison. To the enslaved peasants and rebellious Cossacks, Ukrainians, and Greek-Orthodox the Jewish lessee appeared both as an infidel and an alien – an emissary of the Polish Catholic noblemen who sought to dominate them

    From a treatise in the Council of Four Lands over Volhynia, which took place in the town of Vishnevets in 1635, we learn that Rabbi Y. T. Lipman Heler (the commentator Yom–Tov), town rabbi of Ludmir, laments heavily that there are too many pretenders to rabbinic “posts” here in various towns and that the provincial governors and village elders are making a business of selling such posts and getting rich from it.

    The richest slaveholder in the American Antebellum South was a Northerner.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    , @AP
  244. @Beckow

    Rational nationalist (?) leadership in any country just don’t do this to their own people. Only cheap sell-out compradors would.

    That’s exactly what current Kiev regime is – compradors and imperial puppets. Otherwise you can’t explain why this “government” is sending untrained recruits to the frontline within days of their “conscription” (which they do by catching unfortunates in the street, in stores, on the beaches, and now even in churches).

    Also, you were writing above as if any decisions are made in Kiev. They are not, puppets only follow orders. If they try to disobey, they are going to be promptly replaced by more obedient puppets: clown’s security are Brits, in perfect position to replace him with someone else, if the orders come.
    That’s the only explanation why Kiev “government” wantonly sacrifices presumably their own people, blows up bridges in Ukraine, etc.

    But if it is a defeat, it will have catastrophic consequences for Ukraine as a country, even as a nation

    In fact, the defeat would be the end of that “country”, but it’s the only way to save that nation. Nobody damaged Ukraine more than its current “government”. Nothing would be better for the survival of the Ukrainian nation than unconditional surrender of that traitorous puppet “government”.

    • Agree: Miro23
    • Replies: @Beckow
  245. Coconuts says:
    @German_reader

    I looked around for sources for the numbers but they seem to come from relatively speculative estimates in 19th century books about the death penalty in Britain or apparently even more weird and arcane sources in the case of the 72,000 one.

    Discussion of 56,000 here:

    https://history.stackexchange.com/questions/68558/how-many-people-were-executed-during-the-reign-of-henry-viii

    And 72,000 here:

    https://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4814&context=jclc

    Probably someone would have to study surviving legal records to get more accurate data.

  246. S says:
    @songbird

    About 1780-1900. English, as the primary language. Published in the UK.

    You might be already familiar with the two ‘Making of America’ sites linked below.

    [MORE]

    These are all free sites and searchable. They include the whole of the book and or journal/magazine scanned in. These sites, however, are based in the United States, and typically have 19th century books or monthly journals published in the US.

    Having said that, not all the books and manuscripts at the sites are US in origin. One of the libraries linked below is an Oxford University library, free like the rest, which appears to include 19th century British books on the history of the British isles. There may be other British based libraries located at the Making of America sites, I didn’t look too long.

    And though published in the US, the subject matter (for obvious reasons) of many of the books is the history of the British Isles. The US journals and magazines, too, would on occasion, have lengthy articles about the history of Ireland, as well as the real time situation, ie the Famine.

    Those 19th century British newspaper articles I’ve posted here, which spoke of Ireland, were found in 19th century US journals (at the Making of America sites), which often republished British media for US consumption.

    The last link below is to a site which is searchable and sells rare 18th century British and American journals, newspapers, and magazines, amongst other things. What’s cool about it is, without paying anything, you can often read almost the entire newspaper/journal, via the enlargeable jpg pics, which can also be copied. They don’t seem to care. It can be surprising the subject matter those old rare manuscripts include.

    Hope this might be of some use.

    Happy hunting and Good Luck! 🙂

    Cornell University Making of America

    Geneaology:

    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/mb?a=listis;c=332123463

    University of Oxford Library:

    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/mb?a=listis;c=780156811;pn=2;sort=title_a

    Various Library Collections:

    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/mb?a=listcs&colltype=featured

    Journals/Magazines:

    https://collections.library.cornell.edu/moa_new/browse.html

    University of Michigan ‘Making of America’s books and journals collection:

    https://quod.lib.umich.edu/m/moagrp/

    Rare Newspapers and Manuscripts:

    https://www.rarenewspapers.com/list/?code=revwar

    • Replies: @songbird
  247. AP says:
    @Beckow

    “Germany was winning World War II until January 1945 because it still controlled more territory than when the war started.”

    A perfect example of another false analogy. It is not even remotely similar. Think: WWII, 20 million dead, multiple sides, the fight to death.

    The analogy wasn’t in the scale of deaths but in the fact that a side can be further than it was when when the war started but still be losing. Germany was losing the war in January 1945 even though it had more territory than before the war started in 1939.

    all or most of the pre-February 2022 territory, no concessions on demilitarization or internal matters, integration with EU would be a clear victory

    It would depend on the precise definition of “most”. If Azov Sea and Kherson are lost, it would not be much of a victory.

    If a small country is invaded by a much larger one and remains independent, this can also be a victory.

    “…the loss of too much territory would qualify the war as a defeat.”

    It is 20% now

    That includes Crimea and parts of Donbas lost in 2014.

    But it is more likely it will go to 25-30% and no matter how that is ‘explained’ it would be a loss.

    If Ukraine stops the Russian invasion and stays free, it will be more united than ever, with integration with the West, restored economy in a few years, with a strong, experienced and well-armed military – this would be a victory, even if not 100% of lost territory were recovered. There is a good chance of that.

    Putin screwed up, he didn’t expect this level of resistance but he will continue the war until he can’t. If Ukraine survives with a decent amount of land and with an intact army he (or his successors) won’t try again.

  248. @Sean

    Taras Bulba is a great flick but from my computer your link goes to that other fine movie El Cid!

    Although you may have been making a joke there where the subtlety of it went over my head. : )

    • Replies: @Sean
  249. AP says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    From Poland with love….You are a liar. The Poles will never forget and never forgive. You are hated.

    There are over 37 million in Poland, you can easy find all sorts of opinions.

    Good to see disgusting Soviet filth such as you, who hates both Ukraine and Poland, push so hard for Polish animosity towards Ukraine. This only helps the enemies of both countries.

    “Ukraine was recognized as independent and sovereign under its ruler Khmelnytsky by foreign powers. Ukraine had all the attributes of a sovereign state. You had nothing to contradict it.”

    And Juan Guaido has been recognized as the president of Venezuela, however he is not the president.

    And Guaido has no army or control over any territory.

    As I wrote, Khmelnytsky had sovereign control over Ukraine and was recognized as its sovereign ruler by foreign countries.

    In your failure to disprove this, all you can respond with is a stupid comparison to Guaido or a reference to some bizarre book peddling fantasies that are as stupid as your own.

    The land where is now Ukraine is the Russian land, and it was liberated from the Polish and Lithuanian occupiers. The Russians should have expelled the fake people called the Ukrainians from there together with the Poles.

    It was Rus land, liberated from Mongols by the Lithuanians and joined to brother-Poles.

    It was never Suzdal or Muscovy, the precursors of modern Russia.

    Naturally a foreigner would want to expel the natives.

    “Dostoyevsky’s father was born in Ukraine and was the son of a Greek Catholic priest. He was a minor Ukrainian nobleman (the family had come to Ukraine from Belarus a century or two earlier). Thus Dostoyevsky was half-Ukrainian.”

    Even if Dostoevsky’s father was born in Ukraine – which he wasn’t, because there were no Ukraine

    There was a part of Poland called Ukraine and Dostoyevsky’s father was born there. He was the son of a Greek Catholic priest – that is, an ethnic Ukrainian. Not an ethnic Russian.

    Dostoyevsky was born in Moscow to a Ukrainian immigrant father and a Russian mother.

    Ukraine was still a province of the Polish-Lithuanian state in the 17th century. Of course there was a Polish map of Ukraine.

    Let me remind you that you wrote: ” No Ukraine, no such thing, no such entity, not even such a name on the map

    So I provided a map with the name Ukraine on it.

    You were wrong as usual and as always. You sure are ignorant, Sharikov.

    And now you show how simple you are, by believing that names are magic:

    No, [Most cities in Ukraine were built by the Russians] only the ones in the far south and east. And they were small towns and cities before the Ukrainians moved in from the surrounding countryside.

    Let’s check it out.

    Uzhhorod – the historical name of the city is Hungarian, Ungvár. Chernivtsi – the name Cernăuți is first attested in a document by Alexandru cel Bun. A Romanian town.

    Ternopil – the city was founded in 1540 by Polish commander and Hetman Jan Amor Tarnowski, as a military stronghold. Ivano-Frankivsk – Stanisławów was founded as a fortress and was named after the Polish hetman Stanisław “Rewera” Potocki.

    The city of Lviv was founded in 1250 by King Daniel of Galicia. Lutsk is an ancient Slavic town, mentioned in the Hypatian Chronicle as Luchesk in the records of 1085 – a Russian town.

    etc. etc.

    You think that names are magic and that because the ancestors of Ukrainians called themselves Rus people, that those people were Russians.

    You must also think that Julius Caesar was a Romanian. A Romanian as stupid as you are Sharikov would say that every city founded by Romans in Italy was founded by Romanians and not by the ancestors of the Italians living there.

    The Rus of Ukraine referred to themselves as Rus but they referred to the people now called Russians as Muscovites and considered them to be foreign.

    Starting from the 1440s the Volhynian Chronicle described territory of Grand Duchy of Lithuania as “all the Rus lands” and Russia as Muscovy. In a list of different lands, Muscovy was categorized by the Rus of what is now Ukraine alongside Bulgaria and Moldavia as Orthodox, but not Rus. The Battle of Orsha (1514) was described in the Volhynian Chronicle as a battle of Lithuanians and Rus against Muscovites.

    There are no cities in what is now Ukraine, founded by the Ukrainians

    Just a there are no cities in Italy, founded by Italians. They were founded by Romanians.

    The Ukrainian people are a young ethnos, about 300 years old, formed in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.

    Ukrainians are those Rus who were heavily influenced by Poland, so this process would start in the 14th century in Galicia and continue in the rest of the Ukraine from the 16th century, so 700-500 years old. The oldest surviving fragment of recognizable Ukrainian language comes from intermedia written in 1619

    Russian ethnogenesis starts a little earlier but has nothing to do with lands in Ukraine. It starts when Slavs mixed with Finns in Suzdal and northeastern Rus, then crystalized under the Tatars and Mongols in the 13th-15th centuries. The Muscovites/proto-Russians annihilated the people and culture of Novgorod (following in this tradition, you want to do the same to the people of Kiev, Galicia and the rother core Rus lands). The Rus saw that these Muscovites were savage foreigners and fought them for centuries. As they do now.

    Discussion of IQ tests and Sharikov demonstrating his usual failures and inability to reason:

    [MORE]

    [about IQ estimates] No it took two posts for you to explain that you were guessing. You were asked to explain how you had arrived to that number. You didn’t want to admit that you were either guessing or calculating it wrongly, using percentages or something like that.

    I called it an estimate right away. I wasn’t calculating wrongly, my estimate of 100.5 was about the same as your derived 100.4

    You are the one who was insisting that the test versions for various countries were calibrated with varying degrees of difficulties, in order to bring them everywhere to the average score of 100.

    Yes, you were pushing the idea that the questions were selected and created for various local versions of the test in such a way, that the average result would produce a score of 100 in a given country

    Yes, that’s how it is on several of the subtests and you are so dumb that you still insist otherwise.

    You were saying that the questions for smarter countries were made more difficult, in order to lower the average score and make it fit to the scale.

    Correct, on the verbal parts of the test that differed between countries. On the parts where the items were identical the used different norms.

    Remember, in your idiocy you insisted that they did not use different norms in each country but all used something like a “Greenwich standard.” Now you admit that they don’t but try to distract from your previous stupidity with a new one. Don’t you know that you always fail though, Sharikov?

    Wechsler tests:

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/330578022_A_Cross-Cultural_Analysis_of_the_WISC-V

    “A direct comparison of subtest scores (or scores on the first-order factor or second- order factor) is problematic as not all subtests employed identical stimuli for all subtests. More specifically, Block Design, Digit Span, Matrix Reasoning, Visual Puzzles, Picture Span, Figure Weights, Arithmetic, and Picture Concepts were identical across all participating countries, whereas Similarities, Information, Comprehension, and Vocabulary had one or more country-specific items or had items that had moved from the original position (as they were easier or more difficult in a specific country).

    So in order to achieve a mean of 100, items were made easier or more difficult or placed in a different order in order to match difficulty level. On the Wechsler tests, easy items come first and more difficult ones follow. More:

    “The analysis of Vocabulary scores could not follow the same pattern. Many countries have adapted the subtest items considerably either by replacing words from the English original or by moving words that are shared with the English original to different positions. For example, item 23 in the US version is the same as item 13 in the German version.”

    So a word that is hard for Americans is easy for Germans (it is a lower number item) and is placed accordingly.

    https://www.academia.edu/53445049/European_and_American_WAIS_III_norms_Cross_national_differences_in_performance_subtest_scores

    “the words in the vocabulary subtest and the arithmetic problems are different in different countries”

    “I did it 2 days before you did. [Tell me what the standard IQ score would be for the PISA scores of 418, 625 and 566.] I don’t need to do calculations in this case, that is for Sharikovs, my estimates are accurate enough. I’d estimate 89, 118, and 110.”

    You are not asked to provide an inaccurate or accurate estimate, you were asked to prove that you are capable to figure out how to scale the PISA score to the IQ standard correctly.

    The answer should be exact – 87.7, 118.7, 109.9, and that’s not what you estimate based on proportions, percentages or anything else.

    If Sharikov could think or reason he would have known that I know what a standard deviation is and that this would explain why my estimates (used without the aid of a calculator) were within about one point every time. That is your proof. Yes, the answer can be accurately estimated based on percentage of standard deviation (s) that it deviates from the mean.

    But we already know that your inability to reason matches your ignorance. You are, after all, nothing but a Sharikov and will never be anything better. I am not great, but you will always be lower than someone like me, lower than anyone not Soviet, as were all of Sovok ancestors, transformed by malevolent experimenters from something normal pre-Soviet into nothing more than sentient excrement.

    “Petty gentry in Ukraine were mostly descendants of boyar families, knights invited to settle the lands, or Varangian druzhyna who had accompanied the princes from the North in order to help rule over the Eastern Slavs.”

    Yes sure, quoting the Ukrainian historians isn’t going to help,

    Our families are aware of our histories, what Ukrainian historians? Several of my ancestral families carry this coat of arms:
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%B0%D1%81_(%D0%B3%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B1)

    There are villages with their names scattered in western Ukraine and eastern Poland. I visited one in Poland, which my family owned until the late 19th century. Locals were very friendly and pleased to see in person an heir of the village’s last owner, guiding me to my ancestors’ graves. Very nice and friendly people.

    And these genetic testing companies are making a load of money on fools like you. At best what one can learn about himself in reality is which haplogroups he belongs to.

    ‘It made me question my ancestry’: does DNA home testing really understand race?
    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2018/aug/11/question-ancestry-does-dna-testing-really-understand-race

    Mongrel families such as yours are the first clientele of these scammers – idiots, looking for some noble genes. You wouldn’t need it if you really had any.

    No, we think that they are fun, and they can clear up questions. One of the most extensive ones are the Rurikid genetic group:

    https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/rurikid/about/background

    This project confirmed the Swedish origin of the Rurikid family.

    You wouldn’t understand such interests Sharikov, because you are artificially processed and grotesque. It’s why you are disliked by various people when you move around the world, as you admitted. Who wants to be around excrement?

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
  250. AP says:
    @Beckow

    No matter how the war ends, the sacrificed normies and their families will never forgive Kiev.

    They will never forgive Russia for invading their country and killing its people.

    Ukrainians did not want to surrender their country, so they will not blame their government for fighting. If eventually there are recriminations, it may be in the form of blaming the government for not arming itself more extensively or sooner.

  251. AP says:
    @Sean

    Explain how the largest landowner and also governor in Ukraine was a Pole:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremi_Wi%C5%9Bniowiecki

    “Jeremi Michał Korybut Wiśniowiecki was born in 1612; neither the exact date nor the place of his birth are known.[4] His father, Michał Wiśniowiecki, of the Ruthenian Wiśniowiecki family,[5] died soon after Jeremi’s birth, in 1616.[6] His mother, Regina Mohyła (Raina Mohylanka) was a Moldavian-born noble woman of the Movilești family, daughter of the Moldavian Prince Ieremia Movilă, Jeremy’s namesake; she died in 1619.[7] Both of his parents were of the Eastern Orthodox Church rite;[7] Jeremy’s uncle was the influential Orthodox theologian Petro Mohyla, and his great-uncle was Gheorghe Movilă, the Metropolitan of Moldavia”

    He was half Rus (Ukrainian) and half Moldovan.

    His princely house was Rurikid, descendants of the princes who ruled Rus before the Mongols came.

    • Replies: @Sean
  252. Beckow says:
    @AP

    …If eventually there are recriminations, it may be in the form of blaming the government for not arming itself more extensively or sooner.

    By some people. But we were talking about the normies (AK) who are being sent to die in a hopeless battle in the east. The normies are not into arming themselves, they just want a normal life.

    The fact that Zelko and his oligarch gang are not at risk, that Porky and family are stuffing their faces in London, that not a single among the warmonger politicians and Kiev media is out in the trenches – that will come back to haunt them.

    They may blame Russia – or the Donbas Russians too – but what can they do to them? The only available target will be their own fake nationalists in Kiev who sent them to the slaughter and themselves stayed courageously behind. That is basic human psychology, this will be ugly. I think Porky knows this and he is not planning to go back to face it.

    If you really think about it – objectively – this is one of the lowest and ugliest immoral things any government in E Europe has done to its own citizens. And there is a lot of immoral stuff there to choose from.

    Zelko killed the normies to get more applause from his masters on his way out…that’s quite a story of depravity.

  253. @AP

    Who knows. Paradoxically, normies are extremely difficult to understand. I can actually somewhat “grok” the svidomy, they are driven by nationalism and geopolitical spite, plus their paramilitary elements get to enjoy themselves in Donbass as a kind of a human safari for those who are into that kind of sadistic snuff (without incurring as much personal risk themselves as the normie grunts; it was the Azovites in Azovstal who were the best fed).

    I can certainly understand this Ukrainian MP enjoying himself in Dubai:

    Meanwhile tens of thousands of losers are getting themselves blown up in Donbass. Their motivations are indecipherable to me, they are literally like the NPCs in a video game, who can even begin to guess their “logic”, their opinions and values are totally random and change with the wind, which also happens to describe the significance that should be attached to them.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    , @Mr. Hack
  254. Wokechoke says:
    @AP

    Being used as cannon fodder while others enrich themselves will lead to mass defections to Russia. It will also lead to Ukies using stingers on Civil Airliners at Templehof.

  255. @AP

    Dear doctor,

    reading comprehension is a real problem for you. Let me help you understand what you have referenced here.

    1. Age 20 GCA accounted for 40% of variance in the same measure in late midlife and approximately 10% of variance in each of seven cognitive domains.

    – this means doctor, that in late midlife the difference in the general cognitive abilities was registered at up to 40% variance, like for example a person with IQ 100 at age 20 could be 140 in late midlife. There were 10% of variance in each of seven cognitive domains – either for better or maybe for worse, there was a difference.

    2. In our view, the most parsimonious explanation of our results, is that intellectual capacity gains due to education plateau in late adolescence/early adulthood.

    – this means doctor, that the better person is educated or developed in late adolescence, the more his intellectual capacity gains in late midlife. A person is facing more complex intellectual challenges and his ability to process more complex information depends on his prior development – his education plateau in late adolescence.

    3. If cognitive gains reach an asymptote by early adulthood, then strengthening cognitive reserve and reducing later-life cognitive decline and dementia risk may really begin with improving educational quality and access in childhood and adolescence.

    – this means doctor, that if a person has access to various conditions, fostering his intellectual development in childhood and adolescence, then he will have a better score of general cognitive abilities in late midlife. Or in other words, getting the best of the persons formative age is critical for his later life as an adult.

    She referenced old, obsolete discredited material.

    An experiment cannot be discredited. A long term research was conducted in the 80’s, 1 340 children were participating, and it showed that home reared Separdic children had a mean IQ of 92, whereas Ashkenazi children had 108, but when raised in a kibbutz both groups had a mean IQ of 115. Here is a better desription of that experiment.

    https://postimg.cc/dhhYh73L
    The research was well documented.

    Your insistance on the notion that intelligence is inherited as well as that it doesn’t change after adolescence is nothing short of amazing, because it implies that an accomplished scientist is as intelligent in his late midlife as he used to be in adolescence. This is plain stupid, doctor.

    Perhaps a talent or some exceptional qualities and abilities are inherent, but general intelligence can be trained.

    From the other article you have referenced,

    1. All traits show substantial environmental influence, in that heritability is not 100% for any trait. Acceptance of the importance of both genetic and environmental influences leads to interest in the interplay between genes and environment.

    – that means, in other words, that inherited qualities are nothing more but a chance, and it requires substantial environmental influence to help develop these qualities. One cannot inherit high verbal intelligence from the genes, it has to be nurtured. One can inherit musical intelligence, but it has to be trained to develop it.

    2. The largest genome-wide association study of intelligence differences, which included nearly 18 000 children, found no genome-wide significant associations. The largest effect sizes accounted for 0.2% of the variance of intelligence scores.

    – that means, general intelligence is not dependent of the genes. There were no genome-wide significant associations found. When heritability is mentioned here, it refers to conditions and environment, rather than genome.

    3. Education and social class are often assumed to be indicators of a person’s environmental influences, but they are correlated with intelligence, which has a high heritability.

    – that means, people who inherit better life conditions develop higher intelligence as a result, and then using that intelligence, put in better conditions, these people manage to provide their children with the same set of advantages.

    And so it keeps going on, forming what is called the vicious circle of poverty for those who are not as fortunate, and the opposite of that for those, who were born to better educated parents.

    This is why families occupy about the same social status and income level for hundreds of years and why attempts to change this through artificially providing “opportunities” waste resources.

    The first statement is correct and the second isn’t. Both of the studies you have referenced are showing that intelligence of any given person can be significantly improved, and therefore his potential accomplishments in life are dependent on these artificial opportunities.

    Free music schools for children, free sport groups, free health care and free higher education – the Socialist policies of the USSR – provided poor people with conditions, that helped them develop various abilities, otherwise unattainable.

    As the result, the Russian people are the most educated people in the world, with 54 percent having higher education.

    [MORE]

    The fact that America can support this [external debt] is further evidence of its greatness.

    You continue to amaze me.

    A Ponci scheme can be supported for some time, but this time is limited. There’s nothing great about that, whatsoever.

    This [the higher education rate is a lot lower in the US] is very good. It is probably still too high, it should be around 20%. Russia gives too many tertiary degrees to idiots such as you.

    You are throwing poop at me again, apey. You must be angry, because my arguments are stronger and your pathetic, primitive mentality is facing a challenge you cannot overcome. Your views are those of a 19th century. You are living in the past.

    But it’s not my fault.

    Throwing the poop doesn’t make you any smarter, ape. Any chimpanzee can do it. You are frustrated and you don’t know any better, so that’s what you do, because you are a monkey.

    Sharikov can’t read the chart and Sharikov can’t reason. The chart says “majors.” A “major” is the specialization of an undergraduate degree in a college or university.

    You need to get it sooner or later, apey, that the shithole you live in is not the only country in the world. People in other countries may be using the same word with a different meaning, or despise your artificial terminology completely.

    You are not in a position to dictate anything – nobody likes you, and your country is not an authority on anything. For example, who else in the world will be using such a ridiculous and artificial word, as Hispanics – nobody. A Spaniard will probably slap you like a bitch, for using such a word in his presence.

    So don’t expect from anybody to be familiar with your local naming conventions, they are irrelevant in other parts of the world. And no one cares what you think.

    But consider this.

    Most other countries do not accept students to study medicine on the basis of a bachelor’s degree – i.e. as you are suggesting, that half of the students will become nurses, after finishing a part of the program.

    Most other countries have a special college program for that, and do not teach it at the universities. You cannot be a nurse in most other countries, having finished a bachelor’s degree program at the university.

    Most other countries require high intelligence score to get into the medicine studies, and the program is for seven years.

    Most other countries do not differentiate between various degrees when using the term major as well – it can be equally applied to the studies of master’s or doctoral program. Usually it refers to various double degree programs, one major and one minor.

    And here is a practical example of how they are doing it in other countries.
    https://en-go.tau.ac.il/Faculty-of-Medicine

    They are using their own IQ test called PET. The requirements for the M.D School of Medicine in Tel Aviv University is the score of 700.

    The scores in the PET range from 200 to 800, he score distribution is a normal distribution, with an average of 548 and a standard deviation of 108.2 – so, we can scale it to the standard IQ score of an average of 100 and a standard deviation 15.

    Have you figured out how to do this yet, apey?

    We will get the score of 121. This is 10 points higher than in the US. That means, silly people like you are not allowed to study medicine in Tel Aviv University. There’s no way you wouldn’t fail this test, ape.

    The requirements in your country must be very low, considering that the mean IQ of the students is 111 – that’s more than 23 percent of the population who can study medicine in your country. That’s scary that one has to entrust his health to a person of average intelligence, or even below that, like you – let alone, pay for it.

    Because in Tel Aviv University one has to be among the 8 percent of the smartest people, in order to get in.

    And for nurses there is a different faculty.
    https://en-go.tau.ac.il/School-of-Health-Professions

    The Department of Nursing in Tel Aviv University requires only 540 points to get in, which corresponds to the IQ score of 99. That means that any second person can become a nurse, but only one of 12 can be a doctor.

    You are certainly not that one of twelve, doctor. Your license should be revoked. You are a menace to society.

    Let’s go on.

    Bulgakov was a man of the pre-Soviet times who was censored persecuted by the Soviets. He was clearly not a Soviet Man. Not surprisingly, he was the greatest of the people on your list.

    Bulgakov was admired by Stalin himself.

    And this is really amusing – an ape evaluates the greatness of great people. You don’t know the difference, stupid and it’s impossible to compare a ballerina to a writer or a composer to a musician, let alone to compare their greatness, whatever that means in your monkey world.

    Spain’s population was indeed around 25 million but the USSR’s was around 162 million. Sharikov can’t count. You dishonestly removed the lower part of the range in the estimate of victims of Franco’s regime.

    You are not the Bible to quote you incorrectly.

    The population of the USSR during the Stalin’s rule was 186.5 million, in 1952, and 147 in 1926, so if you prefer, the average is 167 million people.

    The estimates of the number of those murdered during the Francoist Repression range from 60 to 400 thousand.

    Scholarly estimates of the White Terror’s death toll
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victims_of_the_White_Terror_(Spain)

    A figure of 200 thousand is somewhat moderate so it was used, more so the Ohio State Univerity agrees with that.

    The Death of Franco
    https://origins.osu.edu/milestones/death-franco-spanish-civil-war?language_content_entity=en

    The 800,000 refers to the number of people for whom there is an order for execution in archives. It does not cover anyone else killed, this number is estimated at around a million.

    This number cannot be estimated in any way, except for the archive records. The regime might have been very cruel, but every execution was ordered by the court. The archive was secret, so there were no worries, and everything was thoroughly documented.

    Not everyone killed by Stalin’s regime was the victim of an executioner. Some people were worked to death in the gulags, others were killed while being transported, and millions were starved to death by his policies. Altogether, through various means, Stalin’s regime killed about 9 million people.

    There is no such estimations based on facts. Propaganda from various Ukrainian sources is of no interest to me, as it’s incredible and biased.

    During the same period of time there were famines in Spain as well, and in the Netherlands. No one is claiming that those were the result of deliberate policies. Only in the Soviet Union it must have been, because Communism.

    Be sane at least, if you can’t be smart, apey. There was no deliberate starving of anybody anywhere – famines happen.

    And in my comparison the victims of the famine in Spain, as well as those who were killed during the war, were not included either.

    If you were honest you would use the middle number, 125,000. Then for Soviets you would use the number of 9 million.

    There’s no reason to use the number of 9 million, because some American historian said so. You are being called the Empire of Lies for a very good reason, ape – most people know, that you are liars. You lie on the regular basis.

    Most people in the USSR lived in squalid conditions.

    Nonsense.

    You weren’t there, so you haven’t seen it, so you don’t really know that, and are talking pure lies.

    Most people in the USSR lived in descent conditions. My estimation of descent in this case is in comparison to how people live in most European countries, which is good in comparison to descent.

    Most people in the USSR lived in a two or three room apartments, usually a couple with one or two children. Most people didn’t have a car, but had a full month vacation, free summer camps and free music schools, free sport groups for their children, and didn’t have to take any loans to buy anything they needed.

    A fair comparison would be with the countries of the Warsaw Pact, because the Soviet Union was severely damaged during the war, and a large portion of the GDP had to be spent on restoration, instead of improvement of the life’s conditions.

    Most people in the Warsaw Pact countries lived in better conditions under the same economic system.

    The Soviets produced nothing of much value.

    A significant part of that value had to be invested in rebuilding of the country. Nevertheless an acceptable level of comfort still was accomplished for most Soviet people. Considering the damage, sustained during the war, and other technical achievements of the time it was very much impressive.

    Socialism worked.

    They created and ran the entire system, that you support. They were your superiors. Your masters. Your creators, Sharikov. Your lack of gratitude is another of your disgusting traits.

    Those who created and ran the system didn’t have any private property of that kind, they were modest and humble people, even Stalin often slept on the couch. They had very little privilege compared to the people in the same positions in the West.

    And they were not anybody’s masters.

    There were no gated communities with villas for the rich. Top people in the big cities had access to state owned cottages, hidden in a forest somewhere, but it didn’t belong to them.

    One could be a son of a single mother, who had no savings, and still could go from a small town in province right up to Moscow, or Kiev, or Leningrad, and enroll in a university there.

    A single mother could still provide her child with normal conditions, and raise him a successful and intelligent person with higher education.

    Your world is that of masters and servants, and you are not one of the masters in it.

    As a Soviet you naturally have no qualms about stealing from people, such as stealing their home.

    The apartment came with a promotion and it was supposed to be taken back with the end of it. This is how it worked. You are approaching it from the capitalist standpoint, but it’s not how it was done in the USSR.

    That kind of real estate was not supposed to be owned forever.

    Ambassadors are not forced to give up their previous house when they become Ambassadors, and that position is obviously temporary.

    Any position is obviously temporary.

    You could only be given one home, but could be given a new one many times.

    Hello.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    , @AP
  256. Beckow says:
    @AnonfromTN

    I realize that Kiev has no agency. And yet, they are the face of this madness – the eager implementors no matter how much threatened or paid are also responsible. They will be the face of the coming defeat. The English will hide as always, they have never owned up to any of their screw-ups. It is like the corporate structure they invented of “limited liability” – English have evaded responsibility for centuries.

    Nobody damaged Ukraine more than its current “government”. Nothing would be better for the survival of the Ukrainian nation than unconditional surrender of that traitorous puppet “government”.

    Basically jumping up and down on Maidan (twice) was a hysteria before collapse: uninformed, manipulated, often bought and desperate people. They are now trimming their goals (dreams): a smaller, cohesive, heavily armed, EU-vassal and faithfully anti-Russia Ukraine would be enough. It is very unlikely to work out that way, even if Russia stays in the east and south, the societal collapse in the rump Ukraine could be catastrophic. They will have no viable economy and will lose most of the resources.

    You are right: Kiev governments 2014-22 will go down in history as among the most destructive. Unless they manage to win the war – it is not over yet….

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  257. Wokechoke says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    More than a fan. Stalin patronised Bulgakov.

  258. Wokechoke says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    At this point I suspect there will be mass defections to the Russian side.

    The West isn’t reliable if you live in that Donbas area.

    • Disagree: Mr. Hack
  259. Mr. Hack says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Meanwhile tens of thousands of losers are getting themselves blown up in Donbass. Their motivations are indecipherable to me, they are literally like the NPCs in a video game, who can even begin to guess their “logic”, their opinions and values are totally random and change with the wind, which also happens to describe the significance that should be attached to them.

    Last time that I looked, more than 26,000 orcs had met their maker in Ukraine. There’s more of them out there too, that will also be lost. You don’t understand the difference between soldiers fighting on their own land, trying to dispatch an evil “brotherly slavic” neighbor into the netherworld? Soldiers that are defending their homes, their families, the old, children from death? Their nation from extinction, the result of Russian genocide of Ukrainians within Ukraine? What are the Russian soldiers dying for? The extermination of Nazis? To save the Russian language in Ukraine, where in town after town and city after city, Russian speakers abound?

    You see, when a Ukrainian soldier wakes up in the morning, there’s a certain urgency and bounce to his step that you just wont see in a Russian soldier when he wakes up. He’s there on a mission to chase out and unwanted invader. When a Russian soldier wakes up, it’s another day of being on edge all day, worrying about his life for a cause I’m sure that pales into insignificance compared to his Ukrainian counterpart. I’ve just got to believe that there are plenty of Russian soldiers caught in this fight that wonder, “what in the hell am I doing here? Why am I supposed to mercilessly kill these innocent people? Don’t we have enough land at home, that we need to be shedding innocent blood to add more of it to our country?”

    Does this help?

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  260. Mikel says:
    @AP

    about 10% of that territory’s population supported Russia and these are the people who chose to stay for the “liberation” and express their love of Russia.

    In the past 8 years people in Kiev-controlled Donbass continued to vote majoritarily for moderate pro-Russian parties (now outlawed) and it is likely that some who would have voted for more radical pro-Russian options if allowed to do so chose to abstain. I also remember that pro-Ukrainian parties got a decent share of the vote in the last elections but perhaps some pro-Russians voted for Zelensky on account of his pro-peace campaign (let’s remember that Poroshenko ran his own campaign accusing Zelensky of being a Putin stooge). So most people in that part of Donbass would be left without political representation in current Ukraine, assuming their views haven’t changed.

    As for people fleeing the hostilities, while there must be some correlation between staying and being pro-Russian, common sense tells me that nobody really wanted to stay while the bombs rained on them and the decision to flee or not had more to do with the willingness to abandon your house for an uncertain future. Anecdotical evidence from the very few people I know about in Ukraine confirms this suspicion.

    • Replies: @AP
  261. AP says:
    @Mikel

    In the past 8 years people in Kiev-controlled Donbass continued to vote majoritarily for moderate pro-Russian parties (now outlawed) and it is likely that some who would have voted for more radical pro-Russian options if allowed to do so chose to abstain

    Correct, but this was before Russia started mass bombing and killing in Ukraine. Support for Russia collapsed, and even people from the mildly pro-Russian parties are opposing Russia. Such as Vilkul:

    https://www.afr.com/world/europe/russia-linked-ukraine-mayor-says-he-ll-die-fighting-putin-s-invaders-20220324-p5a7gm

    Kryvyi Rih | Ukrainian politician Oleksandr Vilkul has a long history of supporting closer ties with Russia. But with Russian “fascists” indiscriminately killing Ukrainians, Vilkul says Vladimir Putin has lost Ukraine forever.

    Vilkul was once deputy prime minister in Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych’s government, before the pro-Russia leader was ousted and exiled in 2014. He has also been a senior member of opposition political parties, including one recently suspended for its pro-Russian stance.

    “Back then it was the Great Patriotic War, [we were] fighting German fascists. Today it is the same patriotic war, but this time with Russians,” says Vilkul, head of the military administration and mayor of Kryvyi Rih, a major manufacturing city of 750,000 people in central Ukraine.

    Vilkul, whose grandfathers fought in Stalin’s Red Army, says Ukrainian patriotism has surged among Russian speakers like himself. He says Putin has misunderstood those in Ukraine with historical and cultural links to Russia.

    :::::::::::::

    I personally know previously very pro-Russian people who now call Russians inhumans after her hometown got civilian victims, so this is not surprising. I know Russian emigrants in the USA who feel that way about Russia. Choosing to invade another country and destroy and ruin so many lives is a radical act with radical consequences.

    As for people fleeing the hostilities, while there must be some correlation between staying and being pro-Russian, common sense tells me that nobody really wanted to stay while the bombs rained on them and the decision to flee or not had more to do with the willingness to abandon your house for an uncertain future.

    Correct, the people staying were a mix of elderly and their caretakers, and hardcore pro-Russians.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  262. Sean says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    The joke was about the bit where the narrator proclaims El Cid pure, but he would not have lasted five minutes as that. Let alone forged an enduring reputation as a military leader. The same is true of all historical figures. Little anecdote, when that long film was first shown on British BBC (does not have ads) in the mid seventies during Easter holiday, there was a special 15 minute break for news in the middle, and moments later dozens of millions of households tooke the opportunity to put the kettle on for a cup of tea. It came within an ace of overloading and wrecking the national electricity system

  263. @Beckow

    Unless they manage to win the war – it is not over yet….

    Yes, it’s not over until it’s over. However, Ukies’ prospects look bad. I don’t know whether it’s an imperial blunder or simply Ukie stupidity, but they are wasting their most motivated fighting men in Donbass, where the population was not loyal to them back in 2014, and now hates their guts.

    They are trying to replace them with forcibly conscripted cannon fodder rounded up in the streets, in stores, on the beaches, and even in churches. This canon fodder is untrained and unmotivated, it either gets killed quickly or surrenders at the first opportunity. That’s how RF/LPR/DPR forces got >10,000 POWs, whereas Ukies hold fewer than 500. As a matter of fact, some Ukrainian mothers whose sons were taken prisoners send messages to the RF military begging not to exchange them, but to keep them safe until the end of the war.

    More cowardly scum has already run away to Europe (allegedly more than 4 million, which is a huge proportion of Ukraine population, no matter what numbers one believes). Thus, after the grinder kills the most devout Nazis in Donbass, Ukraine is going to have trouble getting any army worth the name. Besides, they are running out of Soviet weapons and ammo: their greedy oligarchs sold too much to the third world to enrich themselves. Soviet-made stuff from former Warsaw block countries is not numerous enough to make up for the losses. Western weapons require training, which they have no time to get. In addition, the war showed that RF alone has more weapons and ammo than the whole NATO (including the empire itself). Saner Western military analysts ring alarm bells, but Western elites appear to have fooled themselves with their own lies and don’t do much to rectify the situation.

    Ukies should have left areas where they are hated and concentrate their most combat-capable forces where they have the support of the population. Maybe not of the majority, but at least much greater support than in Donbass. That way they would have had a chance to retain something. As things go, they leave their most Banderite areas w/o fighting force to defend them.

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @Mr. Hack
    , @Beckow
  264. Sean says:
    @AP

    Wiśniowiecki is easy to explain, he was a turncoat who abandoned the faith of his fathers for his personal advantage, easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle …

    Aged 15 years old the future Władysław IV Vasa was elected Tsar of Muscovy, but did not convert take it up because Poland-Lithuania was an immensely powerful state back then (and the Polish army occupying Moscow was eventually massacred by a popular uprising). Władysław was better off becoming King of Poland, which he did. How that war started is pertinent to our discussion.

    Muscovy aligned militarily with Sweden, one of the Commonwealth’s major enemies, Poland’s King Zygmunt III decided to act: he invaded

    There is an analogy there somewhere.

    • Replies: @AP
  265. Sean says:
    @AnonfromTN

    Interesting view, He says the Ukrainian professionals well trained by the US in small unit tactics suitable fpr and learnt from its counter insurgency campaigns are no longer particularly valuable, because this is a different type of war in which Russian mass effect bombardment conventional tactics are superior.

    Cannon fodder Ukraine has, what the lack is are heavy weapons in quantity. The West does have them, remains to be seen whether Ukraine will be given them.

    • Replies: @A123
  266. AP says:
    @Sean

    Wiśniowiecki is easy to explain, he was a turncoat who abandoned the faith of his fathers

    No, he was a state-builder who invested massively in his lands and built them up and always maintained his Rus heritage. In his time the Orthodox world was backward and the Catholic world was advanced. Wiśniowiecki had studied in Renaissance Italy and was dazzled by what he saw. So he was following in the foot-steps of his ancestors who replaced backward paganism with Orthodox Christianity in 988 though his conversion was personal – he continued to lavishly support the Orthodox Church financially and safeguarded Orthodox monasteries. He attacked the ethnic Polish nobles Samuel Łaszcz, Aleksander Koniecpolski, and Adam Kazanovsky, whose lands he took by force and added to his own, and successfully carved out a place in the PLC for the legal rights of Rus princes. He settled nearly 240,000 people on his personal lands (the population of Wales at the time). He kept Ukraine safe from Tatar raids, crushing the Tatars in the battle of Okhmatov in 1644. The area he cultivated became the heartland of the Left Bank Ukraine, which ultimately would produce figures such as Gogol, and the composers Berezovsky and Bortiansky.

    Decades later, Peter (who was so impressed with Protestant Northern Europe) engaged in large-scale modernization, replacing his musketeers, he gutted the traditional Orthodox Church and created a state-subservient one as the Protestants countries had.

    • Replies: @Sean
  267. Ron Unz says:
    @AnonfromTN

    Tell you what, if disbelieving the government is considered extreme, there is no hope for the country. None whatever. Sad.

    Well, it depends. If you don’t believe basic American government population census data, probably no statistics of any other type can be credited, so you’re left with something close to pure solipsism.

    Here’s a related example. There’s some eccentric scientist named David Martin, whom the anti-vaxxers seem to constantly cite and take very seriously. Apparently, he recently claimed that about 1/3 of the entire American population will soon be dead from vaxxing:

    https://www.fromrome.info/2022/06/30/dr-martin-patent-expert-700-million-will-die-from-deathvaxxing-worldwide/

    Maybe he’ll be proven entirely correct, but I tend to be pretty skeptical. And as far as I know, even he doesn’t challenge the CDC’s current mortality data.

  268. Mr. Hack says:
    @AnonfromTN

    I don’t know whether it’s an imperial blunder or simply Ukie stupidity, but they are wasting their most motivated fighting men in Donbass,

    Where else should they “waste” their most motivated soldiers? It’s a question of do or die for these brave soldiers. An orc killed today translates into two tomorrow. As AP has so convincingly pointed out above, those left in the regions taken over by the orcs include only those too old or too infirm to leave, about 10% of the population. 90% have already evacuated to safer ground in Ukrainian held territory.

    More cowardly scum has already run away to Europe (allegedly more than 4 million, which is a huge proportion of Ukraine population, no matter what numbers one believes).

    And you’re actually worse than these 4 million, because they left in order to save their and their children’s lifes, wherea you left Donbas, never t0 return way before 2014 when the barbaric attack by Rusia on Ukraine began, building for yourself a comfortable life in the US, which you so often try to malign in an ungrateful voice. You’re the embodiment of “cowardly scum” Professor Janisar.

  269. sher singh says:

    This made me really happy.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

  270. @216

    We have no idea whether China is responsible. I wouldn’t put any atrocity past them OR the rulers of the US, the EU, The open-Air Prison Formerly Known As Australia, etc., so it’s hard to say.

    Is there a specific basis for you acting certain that China is to blame for the release of this virus?

  271. @Mr. Hack

    We just extended our children’s Russian lessons in your honor. You keep on lying and slandering and calling other human beings “orcs”, and we’ll look further into a civilization that has some chance of surviving — i.e., not yours.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  272. @Mr. Hack

    Yeniçeriler kesinlikle korkak değildi. The Janissaries were definitely not cowardly. Pick another misplaced insult in place of an argument, as usual.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  273. @Mr. Hack

    No, it doesn’t, this is rambling normie gibberish.

    Russian volunteers in Donbass are ideologues, the reverse image of the svidomy ones, I suppose one can say (ergo for their respective armchair warriors, such as AP and myself). Soldiers in the Russian Army get paid good salaries for their work blowing up Ukrops.

    But what are the Ukronormies in there for? Well, getting blown up for some idiotic svidomist slogans like the ones in your reply, I suppose. While funding the lifestyles of Ukrainians who have their priorities straight: https://mykolaiv.news/deputat-verhovnoj-rady-igor-vasilkovskij-vo-vremya-vojny-razvlekaetsya-na-yahte-s-russkimi-eskortnitsami/

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  274. @AP

    I know Russian emigrants in the USA who feel that way about Russia.

    Literally half of them are Jews, and their precincts abroad voted 80-90% against Putin throughout the 2010s. They were never Russia patriots to begin with.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @AP
    , @Mr. Hack
  275. Sean says:
    @AP

    Muscovy aligned militarily with Sweden, one of the Commonwealth’s major enemies, Poland’s King Zygmunt III decided to act: he invaded

    Not just Putin then.

  276. Mr. Hack says:
    @RadicalCenter

    “orcs” and “rashistas” are indeed derogatory terms used in Ukraine to describe the Russian military forces in Ukraine, that bomb and destroy Ukrainian settlements, schools, hospitals and most importantly civilians, that quite honestly lived with their Russian neighbors quite peacefully, until this stupid war began. So much destruction, and what for? It really looks to many like it’s Russian genocide against the Ukrainian people. All of this dreamt up by Putler and a few of his closest, reprehensible henchmen. If you believe in the ideological basis of this war, Radical center, then you too can also be easily lumped into this category. If you don’t, and are actively working against this tragedy of a colossal nature, then you may be excused from these dark (but accurate) descriptors. I applaud you for teaching your children the Russian language. It’s an important Slavic language that needs to be cultivated. I learned it on my own, with no family input, by studying it in school and by communicating with immigrants from both Russia and Ukraine. I’m glad that I did.

  277. AP says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Literally half of them are Jews, and their precincts abroad voted 80-90% against Putin throughout the 2010s. They were never Russia patriots to begin with.

    That’s true in general, most of the Russians I socialise with in the USA are non-Jewish, except for two couples. Also I don’t think sentiments were as anti-Putin among non-Jewish ethnic Russian emigrants from the republics. We know a few who had left Central Asia who had been very pro-Putin before but have changed. I suspect many of the 10%-20% have also. I know some who no longer speak to family in Russia, there have been bitter arguments about it among friends in the USA at barbecues. It’s like the Trump anti-Trump stuff among Americans but even more intense and more sudden ( it doesn’t reflect decades of sorting).

    I attribute this in part to eastern Ukrainian Russian-speakers from places like Kharkiv, who mix socially with ethnic Russians and tell them what their loved ones are going through. Russia probably more of a bubble.

    Ironically the only hardcore pro-Putin person I know now is a Russian-Jewish eccentric who had bought a lot of the QAnon stuff.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  278. Mr. Hack says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Literally half of them are Jews, and their precincts abroad voted 80-90% against Putin throughout the 2010s. They were never Russia patriots to begin with.

    Voting against Putin only identifies these people as not being “orcs” or “rashistas”. That’s all. See my fuller explanation to RadicalCenter in #281.

    • LOL: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  279. Mr. Hack says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    “normie” stuff is often maligned and often exchanged for some wierd alternative theories, that after some scrutiny just don’t really make any sense.

    Russian volunteers in Donbass are ideologues, the reverse image of the svidomy ones

    Perhaps, a handfull, but what about the rest, the vast majority of “well paid” soldiers that “get well paid for “blowing up Ukrops”. Do you really believe that the majority of Russian soldiers, beyond paying some obligatory lip service to the cause, really believe in this war? Ridding Ukraine of Nazis and whatever other fairy tales that Putler has dreamt up in the recesses of his demented brain?

    respective armchair warriors, such as AP and myself

    Don’t even try and compare yourself to AP, as some sort of equivalents, vis-a-vis this stupid war. Your situations are quite different. AP is an American born in America and is in his early 40’s with a real profession and a family to take care of. You are in your early 30’s, a single man with really no distinct profession except for being an idologue of sorts expressing you ideas in public, the internet etc. It wouldn’t and shouldn’t seem improbable that you should have already signed up to take an active military role in this war. Where’s that fighting, militaristic image that you’ve alway tried to express, even within photos wielding a long sword. It all looks like cowardly nonsense from my vantage point. A couple of days on the frontlines, and I’ sure that you’d straighten some of your views out.

    But what are the Ukronormies in there for? Well, getting blown up for some idiotic svidomist slogans like the ones in your reply, I suppose.

    The views are genuine, real patriotic, and I suspect that you don’t undertand them because they’re really quite foreign to the Russian mindset:

    Soldiers that are defending their homes, their families, the old, children from death? Their nation from extinction, the result of Russian genocide of Ukrainians within Ukraine? What are the Russian soldiers dying for? The extermination of Nazis? To save the Russian language in Ukraine, where in town after town and city after city, Russian speakers abound?

    Please try to understand that these are real sentiments held close to the heart by a majority of the Ukrainian soldiers fighting in this war. It’s real stuff, something that real patriots are willing to fight and die for. Got it?

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  280. @AnonfromTN

    The State Department is Revd Jim Jones handing out the sanctions Kool-Aid, and the EU/UK are the People’s Temple devotees gratefully glugging it down.

    One thing this shambles has done is shown up all the talk of “independent EU policy” as hot air.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    , @A123
  281. @Mr. Hack

    Solzhenitsyn was a great man.

    https://theimaginativeconservative.org/2022/02/voice-prophet-solzhenitsyn-ukraine-crisis-joseph-pearce.html

    Russia should be content with “ploughing what we shall have left after those lands that will not want to stay with us secede”. In the case of the Ukraine, Solzhenitsyn predicted that “things will get extremely painful”. It was necessary, however, for Russians “to understand the degree of tension” that the Ukrainians feel.

    With his customary grasp of history, he lamented that it had proved impossible over the centuries to resolve the differences between the Russian and the Ukrainian people, making it necessary for the Russians “to show good sense”: “We must hand over the decision-making to them: federalists of separatists, whichever of them wins. Not to give in would be mad and cruel. The more lenient, patient, coherent we now are, the more hope there will be to restore unity in future.”

    The greatest difficulty arose from the ethnic mix in the Ukraine itself in which, in different regions of the country, there were different proportions of those who consider themselves Ukrainians, those who consider themselves Russians and those who consider themselves neither. “Maybe it will be necessary to have a referendum in each region and then ensure preferential and delicate treatment of those who would want to leave.” For this to happen, the Ukraine would need to show the same restraint and good sense towards the regions in which Russians predominated as Russia needed to show to the Ukraine as a whole. This was especially necessary because of the arbitrary nature of the area designated as belonging to the Ukraine: “Not the whole of Ukraine in its current formal Soviet borders is indeed Ukraine. Some regions … clearly lean more towards Russia. As for Crimea, Khrushchev’s decision to hand it over to Ukraine was totally arbitrary.” The way in which ethnic Ukrainians treated the ethnic Russians within these largely arbitrary borders would “serve as a test”: “while demanding justice for themselves, how just will the Ukrainians be to Carpathian Russians?”

    And he had respect for Putin which he didn’t have for Yeltsin or Gorbachov. Putin went out of his way to visit him in his own home.

    In 2007, he accepted a State Prize from then-President Putin — after refusing, on principle, similar prizes from Gorbachev and from Yeltsin. Putin, he said in the Der Spiegel interview, “inherited a ransacked and bewildered country, with a poor and demoralized people. And he started to do what was possible — a slow and gradual restoration.

    https://theimaginativeconservative.org/2022/03/solzhenitsyn-putin-joseph-pearce.html

    “Discussing the cooling of relations between Russia and the West, Solzhenitsyn’s analysis of the history of the previous fifteen years highlighted the sharpness with which he viewed contemporary events. When he had returned to Russia he discovered that the West was “practically being worshipped”. This was caused “not so much by real knowledge or a conscious choice, but by the natural disgust with the Bolshevik regime and its anti-Western propaganda”. The positive view of many Russians towards the West began to sour following “the cruel NATO bombings of Serbia”: “It’s fair to say that all layers of Russian society were deeply and indelibly shocked by those bombings.” The situation worsened as NATO sought to widen its influence to the former Soviet republics. “So, the perception of the West as mostly a ‘knight of democracy’ has been replaced with the disappointed belief that pragmatism, often cynical and selfish, lies at the core of Western policies. For many Russians it was a grave disillusionment, a crushing of ideals.”Discussing the cooling of relations between Russia and the West, Solzhenitsyn’s analysis of the history of the previous fifteen years highlighted the sharpness with which he viewed contemporary events. When he had returned to Russia he discovered that the West was “practically being worshipped”. This was caused “not so much by real knowledge or a conscious choice, but by the natural disgust with the Bolshevik regime and its anti-Western propaganda”. The positive view of many Russians towards the West began to sour following “the cruel NATO bombings of Serbia”: “It’s fair to say that all layers of Russian society were deeply and indelibly shocked by those bombings.” The situation worsened as NATO sought to widen its influence to the former Soviet republics. “So, the perception of the West as mostly a ‘knight of democracy’ has been replaced with the disappointed belief that pragmatism, often cynical and selfish, lies at the core of Western policies. For many Russians it was a grave disillusionment, a crushing of ideals.””

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  282. Mr. Hack says:
    @RadicalCenter

    Janissaries were and are a potent symbol of a deracinated individual that has lost all ties with his ethnic roots. Professor Tennessee is a perfect example of just such an individual.

  283. A123 says: • Website
    @Sean

    I have made a similar point multiple times.

    Ukraine fielded trained light infantry with anti-armor weapons, such as Javelin. These forces are useful on defense, especially where the RF armor did not have support. This single, specialized function does not work well on offense.

    How will Ukrainian forces advance across open ground to retake Mariupol?

    It would require Amor and Mechanized Infantry. Neither of which is available to Kiev. The Ukie Maximalists have already lost. They simply refuse to (or are incapable of) accepting the truth.

    Cannon fodder Ukraine has, what the lack is are heavy weapons in quantity. The West does have them, remains to be seen whether Ukraine will be given them.

    They will not be given them. The European WEF is pulling Not-The-President Biden’s strings. The vast majority of money and munitions have come from the U.S. The midterm elections will substantially reduce Europe’s ability to control America. Among the changes will be lower funding for Ukraine in favour of other priorities.

    Time is rapidly running out on Ukrainian aggression against Russian Orthodox Christians.

    PEACE 😇

    • Disagree: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  284. @Ron Unz

    There’s some eccentric scientist named David Martin, whom the anti-vaxxers seem to constantly cite and take very seriously.

    Sir. David Martin is the Milo of vaccinations.

  285. Mr. Hack says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Solzhenitsyn was a great man.

    Yes, I suppose he may have been a great man. My own father, a fiery Ukrainian patriot, even read and had a copy of his “Gulag Archepelego” within his book collection.

    And he had respect for Putin which he didn’t have for Yeltsin or Gorbachov. Putin went out of his way to visit him in his own home.

    Which is sad. It’s too bad that Putin only paid Solzhenitsyn lip service and didn’t heed Solzhenitsyn’s advice about “showing good sense” in respect to the Ukrainians historical need to express itself as the “decisionmaker” within its own country. Do you feel that Putler ha shown “good sense” towards the Ukrainian people by expressing his angst with them for not bowing to every one of his political fantasies about how they should act? I think that Solzhenitsyn is turning in his grave today for what Putler is doing to Ukraine, and how he is now destroying the Russian state that he once helped to lift from its lowly status.

    • Disagree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  286. songbird says:
    @S

    Thanks.

    [MORE]

    I was actually using Hathitrust the other day. Unfortunately, I wasn’t able to find any of the books I was looking for. On the positive side, I did appreciate the interface. I liked how you can easily make jpegs of pages, even if it did have some downsides. Needing to be a member to download the whole book.

    Just to make a general comment about all these college digital libraries – I find the experience very disappointing. Worst of all, I think it is crazy how you need to have some credentials to use them. The whole point of a library being closed off is so people can’t steal the books. But how can they steal digital books? Maybe, there are copyright problems with newer books, but the old ones out of copyright should be easily viewable, and not locked.

    And this really seems to add to my low opinion of colleges. It is almost like they sabotaged Google’s attempt to digitize all the books, saying that they would do it themselves and do it better and more morally, and then, they turned around, did a really shitty job of it (missing many volumes), and, in fact, blocked the public from using it.

    Secondly, this is something that has been my experience before, but I was disappointed to find that it is still my experience. There seems to be very poor organization behind these projects. In particular, if you are looking at a series with different volumes, I, II, III, etc. It is VERY difficult or even impossible to find the volume that you are looking for. They often aren’t organized by volume, and it seems as though there was no attempt to try to actually get all the volumes. If you need volume I, you might be okay. If you need volume III, it is likely you are screwed.

    • Replies: @S
  287. Mr. Hack says:
    @A123

    More and more heavy armaments are coming on line to bolster the Ukrainian military. It should all come together by August and by September you’ll see some mighty Ukrainian victories.

    Your delusions about a mid-term election reversal of Ukrainian support is based on what – your own wishful thinking? All indications are that the American people (both Republicans and Democrats) continue to support Ukraine. You’re well aware that the Ukrainian issue is perhaps the only issue where Biden is able to gain support and votes, even across party lines. This is what really scares you as you position yourself against the Ukrainian cause. Instead of being obstinately in the wrong, you should support Ukraine and make it a MAGA issue, instead of trying to frame the issue in a wrong way, because the Dems and Biden support it. Supporting Ukraine is the right thing to do, no matter what side of the political spectrum that that you may fall under, and you’ll end up on the wrong side of history with your arrogant display of anti-Ukrainian politics. Ukrainian-Americans are going to take a more active role then ever before in the upcoming elections, as are their supportive allies within the Polish and Baltic ethnic enclaves too.

    • Replies: @Sean
  288. @Mr. Hack

    Do you really believe that the majority of Russian soldiers, beyond paying some obligatory lip service to the cause, really believe in this war?

    I am sure a good majority of them do, given that the military selects for patriotism and nationalism. Those who did so just to collect a paycheck are finding out that the military is not just a sinecure. Sucks for them, I suppose. Dishonorable discharge is always an option.

    It wouldn’t and shouldn’t seem improbable that you should have already signed up to take an active military role in this war.

    70% of Russians or around 50M of fighting age support the war, while only 250k or so of them are in Ukraine (or 0.5%).

    Why do I have a special obligation to be within that 0.5%? (As opposed to the 5% or so that actively donates to refugees and equipping volunteers).

    Personally, I rather appreciate being in a country that privileges munitions and machinery over manpower in its wars, quite unlike the USSR or Ukraine for that matter. That sucks for Ukrainians. But it’s not Russia that’s progressively implementing more and more laws to corral the normie biomass into the meatgrinder.

    The views are genuine, real patriotic, and I suspect that you don’t undertand them because they’re really quite foreign to the Russian mindset

    They are very low IQ views because none of that is happening except in hysterical svidomy imaginations.

    Though svidomy do get to cosplay and act out their psychological complexes, so their behavior at least is comprehensible to me.

    The more ideological types also fantasize about leading a White racial crusade against Asiatic-Bolshevik Russia and exterminating the Donbass subhumans, which is a demented but admittedly a colorful and entertaining vision.

  289. songbird says:
    @German_reader

    Once, I had this class that had a TA that was a really butch lesbian. Not one I really chose, but which I had to take. I think it was something to do with the environment, but ostensibly a “science” class.

    And we had some test, and in one of my responses, I wrote the word “mankind”, and she put a line through it and wrote “peoplehood.” And I thought to myself, wow, what kind of system is this, where some freak can cross out my words and change them, on impulse? And now, even bigger freaks are in charge of the libraries and universities.

    • Replies: @S
  290. @AP

    Ironically the only hardcore pro-Putin person I know now is a Russian-Jewish eccentric who had bought a lot of the QAnon stuff.

    Well, I think this sort of proves the point, really. None of these people have any relevant remaining connection with or investment into Russia, even the Qanon Jew is using it as a blank slate for his own domestic American complexes as opposed to having any vision of Russia’s future as a civilizational pole.

    I know some who no longer speak to family in Russia, there have been bitter arguments about it among friends in the USA at barbecues.

    This is most damning of modern civilization, that people linked by blood are chimping out at each other and severing relationships over theoretical political disputes that have zero bearing on their everyday life and which they are themselves in no position to influence or to even properly assess independent of elite propaganda narratives (Russians embedded in the Anglophone media environment are anti-Putin. What a surprise!) is a strong argument against democracy.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    , @AP
  291. songbird says:

    The guy who programmed the Atari 2600 game Adventure has some really epic eyebrows. Not quite Brezhnev level, but still impressive, like Brezhnev mated with a Vulcan:

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
  292. @YetAnotherAnon

    One thing this shambles has done is shown up all the talk of “independent EU policy” as hot air.

    Yep. EU, as well as all other imperial sidekicks were forced to come out of the closet and show their true colors. Smarter people knew that their “independent policy” is a lie, but now this is evident even to idiots.

    • Agree: Miro23
  293. @Ron Unz

    There’s some eccentric scientist named David Martin, whom the anti-vaxxers seem to constantly cite and take very seriously.

    Don’t know much about David Martin, you lost me there. I am certainly not an anti-vaxxer. In fact, I am for vaccines that work. Back in the USSR I was vaccinated against measles, mumps, polio, and TB. Because they were real, not fakes promoted for profit by financially interested parties, these vaccines protected me from the diseases they were against my whole life.

    Solipsism has nothing to do with my skepticism. FYI, the bedrock of the scientific method is to clearly distinguish between things you know and things you don’t. We don’t know everything (otherwise scientists would have no jobs), but some hypotheses are plausible because they are based on a large body of evidence, whereas others are not. Plausible hypotheses are never the final word: say, Newton’s mechanics is correct within certain limits, but Einstein’s mechanics is more general, correct in a wider set of conditions. True scientists know that Einstein’s mechanics won’t last forever, at some point it will be replaced by an even more generally correct model.

    There are areas where Soviet experience gives me a leg up naïve Americans. We’ve learned in the USSR to look at any government info critically, evaluating who benefits from a lie one way or another (classical Roman cui bono). It is crystal clear who benefited by those “excess death” stats, they are making billions on a “vaccine” that is not a vaccine, as it does not protect you from the disease (liars invented a special term “breakthrough infections”). As is usual in this kind of criminal schemes (think MIC), the money comes from public coffers. As I don’t see any profit coming to people who expose the truth about those fake “vaccines”, their position is a lot more credible. In and of itself, it does not mean that they are correct in everything they say. Each statement and piece of info must be evaluated on its own merits. This is scientific approach, whereas all preconceptions are anti-scientific.

    • Agree: Beckow, Barbarossa
    • Thanks: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  294. @Anatoly Karlin

    vision of Russia’s future as a civilizational pole.

    Mosfilm put a new version of Bondarchuk’s War and Peace up on youtube which is really great even if you have already seen it. I just got past the banquet for Bagration after Austerlitz. Quite the look on the actor’s face sitting at the raised head table looking at the whoop-de-do before him.

    More horses were abused in the making of this film than any before or since.

    It is spectacular to see thousands of actors cheering in unison to bugle blasts as they charge into the killing field. I can’t wait for Borodino!

    • Replies: @songbird
  295. @Mr. Hack

    This is rich coming from the people who never were in Ukraine or those whose ancestors ran away from Ukraine with German Nazis when millions of Ukrainians served in the army fighting the occupiers.

    I left Donbass in 1975 to study in Moscow State University. I never returned to the area because my qualifications could not be used there. In 1991, when it became clear that my qualifications could not be used in the foreseeable future, I chose to move to the US to keep doing research, rather than engage in money-making criminal schemes on the ruins of the USSR that enriched a lot of unscrupulous people. I gave the US 30+ of my most productive years. That’s exactly why I hate seeing this country being run into the ground by stupid clinically short-sighted “elites”.

    I remain pro-Donbass, which means anti-Ukie. I have nothing against Ukrainians, though. Not just because I am one, but because from what I know the majority of Ukrainians are normal people hating current traitorous puppets in Kiev.

    I speak better Ukrainian than most self-appointed “Ukrainian patriots”. I wish Ukrainians to survive and eventually prosper. I also believe that all criminals must be punished. That is why I wish current traitors in Kiev to be defeated and Ukie criminals tried and convicted for what they did to Donbass and Ukraine. As the Empire is complicit in those crimes, I want imperial criminals to be properly punished, too.

    • Agree: Miro23, RadicalCenter
    • Disagree: Corvinus
  296. Beckow says:
    @AnonfromTN

    …Ukies should have left areas where they are hated and concentrate their most combat-capable forces where they have the support of the population.

    An elementary war-fighting rule that for an unspoken reason Kiev doesn’t follow. That reason is why there is this war: Nato crazies decided that a bloody war close to the Russian border would weaken Russia and provide optics needed to ‘consolidate and rearm‘ the Western alliance.

    It kills a large number of Ukie normies, but that is unimportant. Some like the drama because it creates material for the weeping-sacrifice stories – BoJo, who is basically a psychopath, seems in be in that burn-it-all camp.

    There is no way out until it eventually ends after a bloody, unnecessary slaughter. The normies sent to die by Kiev have no rights, and many are not the smartest. They evade and hide, but eventually many end up in a ditch.

    The ancient Egyptians often massacred hundreds of commoners at pharaoh’s funeral. The pharaoh was heading to heaven and to mark the occasion some had to die, it was more memorable that way. Zelko and the oligarchs are also heading to heaven – at least as Ukies perceive heaven. They will be in London or Miami soon, eating pudding or scuba-dive with the fishes, no work, plenty of money, beaches and bitch.es.

    The Ukie normies are sacrificed to make Zelko&co journey-to-heaven more meaningful: stories can be told shedding tears (Mr. Hacks has already started on it). And the awards: think of Zelko on a stage listening to endless standing ovation and defiantly lifting a piece of shiny metal yelling ‘this is for free Ukraine!

    I suspect it was about the same in the ancient Egypt as they dispatched the unfortunates, but at least they did it all in real-time. We have become more sophisticated. And sophistication is about creating a distance. It may even work and AP will retroactively declare that to be the elusive ‘Kiev victory in the war‘.

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @Wielgus
    , @Wokechoke
  297. Sean says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Supporting Ukraine is the right thing to do

    It is the realpolitique correct thing to do now, but the Ukrainians are most annoying fellows who got themselves into trouble and us into an economic confrontation that we are coming off decidedly worse for. My dad is sitting in the front room in a coat because of the bills.

    America tried to put Pol Pot back in power in Cambodia. And just as America was correct for practical reasons to not abandon the evil genocidal mass murders of the Khmer Rouge, America must help Ukraine.

  298. S says:
    @songbird

    Once, I had this class that had a TA that was a really butch lesbian.

    Was she this kind of ‘butch lesbian’, songbird?

    [I don’t know if in the Age of Floyd they could even have a scene like that included in a movie nowadays, as it’s definitely not pc. If they did, though, rather than her being a German sounding ‘Rosengurtle Baumgartener’, they’d probably give her a Russian name instead.

    Gotta have someone to hate. 🙁 ]

    • Replies: @songbird
  299. The Russians have perfected trolling!

    • LOL: YetAnotherAnon
  300. Sean says:
    @Beckow

    Nato crazies decided that a bloody war close to the Russian border would weaken Russia and provide optics needed to ‘consolidate and rearm‘ the Western alliance

    They had the example of Georgia, so I think it would have been forcefully apparent that the Russians would have all the advantages in Ukraine. I don’t think the US wanted the Ukraine situation to blow up into a Russian onslaught that would be extremely difficult to defeat. The US if desirous of getting Russian into a conflict would have much rather had Russia in an effort like Afghanistan. Even Afghanistan was greatly exaggerated as a cause of the end of the Cold War and the collapse of the Soviet Union. Wasn’t really Star Wars either.

    Putin is not Gorby, Putin will exert the full hidden strength of Russia, those reserves are vast

    • Replies: @Beckow
    , @LondonBob
    , @Barbarossa
  301. @Mr. Hack

    “Do you feel that Putler has shown “good sense” towards the Ukrainian people”

    Very much so. It was only after the Nuland coup, when the new Ukrainian government decided to ally with the US, probably in exchange for hard cash aka bribes

    https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/oct/03/revealed-anti-oligarch-ukrainian-president-offshore-connections-volodymyr-zelenskiy

    that Russia recognised the threat of NATO missiles on Ukrainian borders. Maybe I should have emboldened this bit:

    “Maybe it will be necessary to have a referendum in each region and then ensure preferential and delicate treatment of those who would want to leave.” For this to happen, the Ukraine would need to show the same restraint and good sense towards the regions in which Russians predominated as Russia needed to show to the Ukraine as a whole.

    Taking Ukraine under the umbrella of sworn enemies of Russia was neither restraint nor good sense, even less so when you were elected on promises of improving relations with Russia. Still, Zelensky will have plenty of boltholes elsewhere in the world, as will many other Ukrainian “elites”.

    https://newspunch.com/high-ranking-ukrainian-officials-caught-splurging-on-luxury-real-estate-in-switzerland/

    • Agree: RadicalCenter, Mikhail
  302. Beckow says:
    @Ron Unz

    It is hard to understand why you create a straw-man after straw-man. Nobody, as far as I can tell, argues what you say: there is a difference between a census and more subjectively gathered statistics on who precisely died of C19, who died with it, was dying already, etc… They are not the same and to treat them as analogous misses the point: when people directly benefit from something they occasionally improve the numbers.

    The same goes for associating any skepticism about multiple MRNA shots with extreme ideas floating around the web. Let’s focus on what we know: the MRNA shots were not a ‘vaccine’ – they didn’t prevent getting C19. They were at best a short-term medical treatment that made having Covid less dangerous for many people, but so did a few other treatments. This benefit – by official admission – only lasts about 4-6 months.

    In a rational society the MRNA benefits would be weighted against the potential risks. For example for younger and healthier people it is very questionable if taking the MRNA shots is a good trade-off. The long-term side effects are at this point unknowable: there could be none for most, minor for people with pre-existing conditions, or much worse: we simply don’t know. That is true science, throwing out straw-men at skeptics is an attempt to avoid a rational discussion.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  303. Ron Unz says:
    @AnonfromTN

    There are areas where Soviet experience gives me a leg up naïve Americans. We’ve learned in the USSR to look at any government info critically…This is scientific approach, whereas all preconceptions are anti-scientific.

    I don’t disagree with you. But for many decades, the American government has published the total number of annual deaths in the country, putting it up on a website after the Internet was created. Similarly, the Census provides the total population of the country and all the different states and cities.

    If you think those very simple and objective statistics might be fictional, no other government statistic could possibly be accepted, certainly including economic statistics and others subject to even greater manipulation. Obviously, statistics by private organizations would be even less believable. And if all government and private statistics are dismissed, you simply don’t know anything about what’s going on about anything.

    Some of the commenters here claim everything is a lie and viruses don’t exist.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  304. Ron Unz says:
    @Beckow

    Nobody, as far as I can tell, argues what you say: there is a difference between a census and more subjectively gathered statistics on who precisely died of C19, who died with it, was dying already, etc…

    No, you’re the one who’s totally confused, and it’s obvious you’ve never read any of my articles or columns on the subject.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/covid-deaths-and-vaxxing-deaths/

    According to the CDC website, there were 3,389,858 total American deaths from all causes in 2020, while there had only been 2,854,838 the previous year. The question is whether those figures are approximately correct or should be dismissed as likely fraudulent.

  305. A123 says: • Website
    @YetAnotherAnon

    One thing this shambles has done is shown up all the talk of “independent EU policy” as hot air.

    Let me Fix That For You: — One thing this shambles has done is shown up all the talk of “independent U.S. policy” as hot air.

        • Do you actually believe that Not-The-President Biden leads the U.S.?
        • Or, that there is any coherent American foreign policy?

    The vacuous White House occupant immediately and totally obeys all European WEF directives. The idea that America controls Europe is comically absurd.

       — The problem with Europe is Europe —

    The Brussels-Berlin-Davos axis has recreated the Dark Heart Of Europe. The first step towards fixing this problem is looking in a mirror and correctly identifying the threat.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  306. songbird says:
    @S

    Slighter, but still like she hit every branch of the ugly tree on the way down.

    BTW, originally, I didn’t like that movie for three reasons. 1.) the shots of Boston were obviously stock footage, 2.) Irish accents were terribly fake, 3.) that cross-dressing character, who I felt was an attempt to normalize weirdos.

    But that scene with the bull dyke was a funny one. And I put the movie on for my father once, years ago, and he seemed to enjoy it.

    BTW, I’m wondering if there isn’t the technology now to enrich fake accents, and make them seem more real. Probably is, if not, they should develop it.

    • Replies: @S
  307. A123 says: • Website

    Ukie Maximalists keep trying to deceive readers here that Americans believe Ukraine is somehow important. The objective fact is Americans care little: (1)

    Monmouth Poll Compiles Top 22 Priorities of American People, Ukraine v Russia and J6 Committee Outcome Does Not Appear on List

    Monmouth University conducted another political poll of U.S respondents (2). In addition to the plummeting approval of Joe Biden, the worst yet approval at 36% according to the survey, the respondents were asked to list their top concerns (Question #7).

    The responses were recorded but did not come from a list presented by Monmouth. They just compiled the results. As stated, “what is the biggest concern facing your family right now?” The results show the top priorities of Americans and the disconnect between the priorities of congress and the American people are stark.

    Nowhere on the expressed concerns did anyone identify supporting Ukraine or the Russia -v- Ukraine conflict, as a priority; yet, Ukraine has taken up almost all of the legislative effort from congress. The total taxpayer-funded congressional spending is nearing $100 billion. Additionally absent from the concerns of the American people, is any mention of the January 6th committee; again, another time wasted political exercise by a congress detached from the priorities of the electorate.

    Ukie Maximalists enthusiastically quote single issue question responses. Everyone should notice that they disingenuously avoid multi-issue comparison polls that show no interest in providing resources to find the Kiev regime.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/07/05/monmouth-poll-compiles-top-22-priorities-of-american-people-ukraine-v-russia-does-not-appear-on-list/

    (2) https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/MonmouthPoll_US_070522/

     

  308. AP says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Well, I think this sort of proves the point, really. None of these people have any relevant remaining connection with or investment into Russia,

    These are people who still have family friends in Russia who visit them once in awhile.

    The process is that the Russian immigrant community includes people from places like Kharkiv, Odessa or Russian-speakers from Kiev that have been bombed by Putin. Russians see photos and hear from their ex-Kharkiv friends about the horrible things done by Russia. They complain to their relatives in Sverdlovsk or Nizhni, the latter accuse their American relatives of being brainwashed, or traitors, things escalate.

    the Qanon Jew is using it as a blank slate for his own domestic American complexes as opposed to having any vision of Russia’s future as a civilizational pole.

    Lol, this is accurate.

    This is most damning of modern civilization, that people linked by blood are chimping out at each other and severing relationships over theoretical political disputes that have zero bearing on their everyday life and which they are themselves in no position to influence or to even properly assess independent of elite propaganda narratives

    I agree with all but the last phrase. I think it’s the personal connection to the events (second hand, which is close enough) of socialising with people from Ukraine (fellow Russians or at least Russian-speakers, Galicians don’t mix with them), combined with not being in Russia (these guys watch both American and Russian TV, they are not embedded in American media) that leads to almost everyone with a previously pro-Putin stance to back away now.

    But yes, cutting ties with family or old friends over politics that one does not control is stupid and sad.

  309. Beckow says:
    @Sean

    it would have been forcefully apparent that the Russians would have all the advantages in Ukraine.

    Maybe the goal is not to win in Ukraine but to use the war for more realistic objectives: isolate Russian economy, create a better armed united Nato, leave a festering wound on the Russia border. And hope that at some point that will cause a change in Russia.

    Originally (pre-2014) the goals were more ambitious: Russia out of Crimea, Ukraine in Nato, bases close to the Russian border. That didn’t work out as planned.

    The idea that the Ukie contingent believes that the West is dreaming about improving life in Ukraine, with higher living standards and full EU access is disconnected from reality: when and where was that the goal for the West? Ukies are half-Asiats who nobody actually thinks about, they are confused with Russians and Kazakhs, their living standards or even lives are of almost no interest for the Western elites.

    Putin will exert the full hidden strength of Russia

    The hidden strength always comes out when under attack – it has been triggered and I don’t see how it can be overcome in their own region. But it is early, let’s see what happens.

    • Replies: @Sean
  310. @AnonfromTN

    Pleased this was mentioned because I was actually talking about it at the end of the previous thread since my return to commenting here – that there was never any true “Ukrainian” nationalism in history , or true Ukrainian nationalist leaders . These freaks ALWAYS existed to serve foreign powers, fought in the name of foreign powers and, despite all the laughable BS propaganda, never fought to create an independent Ukrainian state – partly because of their natural prostitution, but partly because they always had some aversion or incompatibility with the culture, the land and the people of this land that makes up modern “Ukraine”

    Stalin death penalty abolition in 1947, and Khrushchev letting out all the Banderetards from prison only to let them freely, walk into and inflitrate any high position in the Ukrainian SSR ( with zero “police state” doing anything to stop them) has played a sizeable role in the mess we see there today.

    Mazepa literally betrayed and fought Russia in the name of Poland, allied with the Swedes, – the idea of “Ukraine” nowhere near his thoughts.

    Petliura and the other trash like Grushevsky etc -in the interests of Polish sadists and their German and Austrian paymasters ( straight after they had committed a mass murder of “Ukrainiains” during WW1) subcontracted all the political and military decisions to them

    Bandera and Shukheyevich – AGAIN it’s fighting for and with the interests of the German state – during the worst mass murder of Ukrainians, with the true goal having no connection to Ukrainian “patriotism” or “nationalism”
    As for now – a total betrayal of own culture and people and history all in the name of completely ill-defined western interests and administration

    Having 8 different pieces of land donated to it by Russia without asking for it, trading for it, or fighting for it ……and trying to have this taken into western administration to create some POS anti-Russia when basically all the “Ukrainian” culture comes exclusively from the Russian side, does not correspond to any “nationalism” in any sane mind.

    What is ironic and inspiring in comparison to the Kiev degenerates , is that independence and not subservience to a malicious foreign entity is what the heroes in the Donbass have shown twice in 100 years, first under the Donetsk-Krivoy-Rog Republic, and now as LDNR ( particularly this time, although the issue of foreign control was critical in DKR being formed among the business magnates and general population)

    Of course the historic Donetsk-Krivoy Rog Republic was far more than the Donbass, and I am convinced that those borders would be perfect outcome ( and solution) for our SMO. A lot of people want Novorossiya, but these borders of DKR provide security and make better economic sense in my view. Putin is an eager student of history, so I wonder how much he has thought of DKR and those borders as victorious solution

  311. Wielgus says:
    @Beckow

    BoJo is a psychopath but he may not be prime minister for much longer. Although he may be replaced by another. Starmer called for him to resign and made damn sure he had Union Jack flags behind him in the photo shoot. Not representative of his real loyalties of course… If any…

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  312. songbird says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    First time, I saw Braveheart, I thought the battle sequences were pretty impressive. That was on a CRT. Those horses being impaled don’t look so hot in HD.

    If I ran some state-sponsored, nationalist film production department. I think I would have a whole research division figuring out the best way to do realistic looking horse-deaths. Maybe, building special animatrons, or doing special computer modeling. And besides that, just making better historical sets and props.

  313. @A123

    “Do you actually believe that Not-The-President Biden leads the U.S.?”

    Of course not, whoever could believe that? He’s a stuffed figurehead.

  314. @Wielgus

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keir_Starmer#Personal_life

    Starmer married Victoria Alexander in 2007. She was previously a solicitor but now works in NHS occupational health. The couple’s son and daughter are being brought up in the Jewish faith of their mother and the family attend shabbat dinners.

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  315. @Ron Unz

    But for many decades

    Linear extrapolation (which is also called incomplete mathematical induction) is a logical fallacy. Oft used example is this. The owner came every day to feed the hens. So, the hens decided that whenever the owner comes, he means to feed them. But one day he comes to slaughter them. Or, closer to home, for two centuries there were irregularities in the presidential elections in the US, but never anything major. Then comes massive fraud of 2020, where a certain character got fewer votes than Obama in super-blue San Francisco and super-red KY and TN, but more votes than Obama in every swing state.

    Bottom line, those numbers being true for decades does not mean that they are true in any particular year. Especially considering that there was no financial gain in fudging them for decades, but there was an enormous financial gain in fudging them in recent years.
    I rest my case.

    And if all government and private statistics are dismissed, you simply don’t know anything about what’s going on about anything.

    That’s how liars want you to feel. Makes it possible to feed any convenient (for some people) lies to unsuspecting Joes.

    Some of the commenters here claim everything is a lie and viruses don’t exist.

    Some people claim that Earth is flat. That does not mean that any investigation of the shape of the Earth means catering to flat-earthers.

    • Thanks: Bumpkin
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  316. Wielgus says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Indeed.
    He was recently filmed looking not terribly happy as acolytes of his were waving around Union flags. He seems to think he needs this politically but the emotion is not there. Then again he is hardly the only phony in politics.
    I wonder if it is just his son and daughter – does his strategising make an overt personal commitment to Judaism for him impossible, even if he seems to be one de facto?

  317. S says:
    @songbird

    3.) that cross-dressing character, who I felt was an attempt to normalize weirdos…But that scene with the bull dyke was a funny one.

    That could very well be true about it ‘normalizing weirdos’.

    [MORE]

    In a roundabout, backdoor way, I think the bull dyke scene was kind of doing a similar thing, specifically, having the scene with the supervisor saying something along the lines of ‘self-imposed affirmative action’.

    It was as though they were saying the lesbian was just a token hire, but, in reality, ‘they’ still ‘hate’!TM her, and those like her, and laws should be much stronger to force employers to hire more lesbians. That little aside with the supervisor was probably in reality the whole point of the scene.

    Having her beat the crap out of the one brother, and the other over the top aspects, gave it plausible deniability and cover…ie it’s just a big joke. We’re not trying to indoctrinate you. [Should add, that was the extended cut. A part of that you-tube clip never made it to the screen.]

    BTW, I’m wondering if there isn’t the technology now to enrich fake accents, and make them seem more real. Probably is, if not, they should develop it.

    I would have to think they’ve got that capability, or, something like it.

    As a related aside, I’m impressed how actors and actresses from Britain and Ireland can just turn on an off their brogue, brogues which people in the states generally love to hear. I suppose it is so they can expand their opportunities in the US, Canada, Australia, etc. I wonder if they took voice coaching lessons, though, perhaps it’s not that difficult.

    The hottie, Gillian Anderson, though born in the US, was raised in London. She retains the ability to speak with what might be termed a standard English accent, but, also, a Midwestern US one.

    There was a Scottish actor (forgot his name) in Train Spotting (a movie to showcase little known, but fascinating to US audiences, Scotland? Also to simultaneously promote demoralization and drug use in general, though in particular in Scotland?) who had such a strong Scottish brogue in the film, he could be difficult to understand. Around that same era, the same actor was in Blackhawk Down as a US soldier, and had no trace of a Scottish accent.

    Relatedly, I’ve heard those brogues can be so strong it can amount to a speech impediment, as in other people have very great difficulty in understanding what they’re saying. Some mock such persons for that, which, of course, they ought not to do.

  318. Ron Unz says:
    @AnonfromTN

    Some people claim that Earth is flat. That does not mean that any investigation of the shape of the Earth means catering to flat-earthers.

    Okay, you’ve convinced me that I can’t believe a single official American government statistic on anything, including births, deaths, population, racial distribution, crime rates, unemployment, inflation, or GDP. So I guess I’m stuck and have absolutely no knowledge of this world. Or maybe there’s some random website somewhere that reveals the true information…

  319. S says:
    @songbird

    Just to make a general comment about all these college digital libraries – I find the experience very disappointing. Worst of all, I think it is crazy how you need to have some credentials to use them.

    Yes, there can be some hassle.

    [MORE]

    I’ve found what can be some promising book titles on line in ‘private collections’, but you have to physically go there to actually see and read the book, or, manuscript, etc, and it may well be (as you say) a person often needs academic credentials, I suppose to limit their exposure to theft, which is a problem. I’ve not pursued that avenue too much.

    That’s too bad about those digitalized books made so difficult to access. Is it ‘Jstor’ that is one of those?

    I imagine there is software to translate foreign language books, though ideally, it would be located at the site of the digitalized book itself…and free of charge with no sign up required, naturally 😉

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  320. AP says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    The depths of your idiocy has no bottom, apparently.

    Age 20 GCA accounted for 40% of variance in the same measure in late midlife and approximately 10% of variance in each of seven cognitive domains.

    – this means doctor, that in late midlife the difference in the general cognitive abilities was registered at up to 40% variance, like for example a person with IQ 100 at age 20 could be 140 in late midlife

    Lol, no it means that 40% of variance from the mean at midlife was accounted for purely by general cognitive ability at age 20 and less then 1% by other factors such as further education. It means IQ isn’t raised much by schooling past age 20 or so (tertiary education). Higher rates of university education just means more mediocre people have university degrees and that the average person with a degree from such an environment is dumber than the average person with a degree from a place where getting a degree is more rare. So average German university graduates (only 27% of Germans have such degrees) are smarter than average American ones (35%), who are smarter than average Russian ones where more then half of adults get post-high school education.

    this means doctor, that the better person is educated or developed in late adolescence, the more his intellectual capacity gains in late midlife

    No, it means all education from kindergarten until secondary or early tertiary schooling until age 20. makes a difference. It doesn’t specify which years are most critical. And after that education makes at most a very small difference. You claimed that greater university education rates turned Russians smarter. Well, maybe the first two years did, a little, along with the previous 13 years.

    It doesn’t mean IQ can change from 100 to 140 from age 20. You are a moron who can’t read.

    that means, in other words, that inherited qualities are nothing more but a chance, and it requires substantial environmental influence to help develop these qualities

    It means that for adults that inherited (genetic) qualities account for 60% of intelligence and environment (nutrition, schools, parents) for 40%.

    You are a moron who doesn’t even know what heritability means in medicine/science, yet you write about it:

    https://medlineplus.gov/genetics/understanding/inheritance/heritability/

    Heritability is a measure of how well differences in people’s genes account for differences in their traits. Traits can include characteristics such as height, eye color, and intelligence

    “The largest genome-wide association study of intelligence differences, which included nearly 18 000 children, found no genome-wide significant associations. The largest effect sizes accounted for 0.2% of the variance of intelligence scores.”

    – that means, general intelligence is not dependent of the genes. There were no genome-wide significant associations found. When heritability is mentioned here, it refers to conditions and environment, rather than genome.

    Sharikov can’t read scientific papers. The authors start their papers by describing that heritable (that is, non-environmental) factors account for 60% of intelligence and describes how previous genetic research has shown that specific genes account for tiny percentage of variance of intelligence scores. But later the article describes new methods which are better able to capture the genetic basis of intelligence, though not all of it yet. Later in the article:

    “As discussed earlier, GWA studies have shown that there are no large effect sizes in the population, which implies that the heritability of intelligence is caused by thousands of DNA variants, many of these effects are likely to be infinitesimal or even idiosyncratic. Nonetheless, GCTA has shown that additive effects of common SNPs can theoretically account for at least half of the heritability of intelligence

    So currently we have evidence for half of the heritability (which is genetic) of intelligence. Ongoing research will illuminate the other half.

    The article is not about non-heritable factors such as parental influence or school, these are considered to be environmental. They are of course important also, accounting for 60% of intelligence in adolescence and 40% in adulthood. Good universal primary and secondary schooling is important.

    But genetics accounts for 40% of intelligence in adolescence and 60% in adulthood (as people mature they construct their environment to better reflect their genetic potential then when they are more dependent on their families and schools).

    Now we see how your ignorance of a basic scientific term leads you to draw stupid conclusions:

    Article: Education and social class are often assumed to be indicators of a person’s environmental influences, but they are correlated with intelligence, which has a high heritability.

    – that means, people who inherit better life conditions develop higher intelligence as a result

    You made the opposite conclusion of what the author stated, idiot. Because you don’t even know that heritability refers specifically to genetic causes.

    Moron, the word “but” indicates that the latter contradicts the former. The author states that people assume education and social class are are indicators of environmental factors, but in reality they are related to intelligence, which is heritable (genetic)

    I probably shouldn’t post scientific papers for you Sharikov, you are too stupid to be able to read and understand them.

    A long term research was conducted in the 80’s, 1 340 children were participating, and it showed that home reared Separdic children had a mean IQ of 92, whereas Ashkenazi children had 108, but when raised in a kibbutz both groups had a mean IQ of 115. Here is a better desription of that experiment.

    Kids were tested at age 5 when genetics only accounts for 20% of intelligence and at age 14 when it accounts for 40%. Also scores at age 4-6 are rather unreliable.

    Your insistance on the notion that intelligence is inherited as well as that it doesn’t change after adolescence is nothing short of amazing, because it implies that an accomplished scientist is as intelligent in his late midlife as he used to be in adolescence

    Thanks for displaying your idiocy again. Intelligence is both largely inherited and doesn’t change much from age 20. The accomplished scientist at midlife was a brilliant student at age 20 (or perhaps a brilliant 20 year old engaging in other activities if he was bored in his school). His intelligence at both ages was about the same.

    So, because intelligence is largely heritable (genetic), it runs in families because intelligence caffe the social class and wealth, and the same families occupy the same positions of social class and wealth over centuries. Attempts to change this artificially as the Bolsheviks did merely waste resources that could be better used to maximise the gifts of those who are genetically smart and, because they are smart, if better class. This is a major reason why Russia under the Bolsheviks failed to develop as well as all other European-populated countries did. All that killing and theft caused scrambling and shuffling around, people from foreign on-Russian elites (Caucasians and Jews) filled the vacuum caused by the killing and exiling of native ones, and eventually some of the remaining surviving native ones returned to their prior positions, their energy having been spent on survival rather than on activities that would have helped their country. Or elsewhere, for example Sikorsky who fled Russia at the Bolsheviks takeover developed America’s helicopters.

    As the result, the Russian people are the most educated people in the world, with 54 percent having higher education.

    This just means that on average their people with higher education are dumber then those of European countries where access to higher education is more selective.

    “Sharikov can’t read the chart and Sharikov can’t reason. The chart says “majors.” A “major” is the specialization of an undergraduate degree in a college or university.”

    You need to get it sooner or later, apey, that the shithole you live in is not the only country in the world.

    I referred to a chart of average IQs of American majors, you stupidly didn’t know what a major was, and now you “throw poo” at America because you were caught being stupid as usual.

    Because of this mistake of yours, you falsely concluded that “health and medical sciences” meant future doctors. I already explained to you that these were future nurses.

    [about entrance exam scores for Israeli medical students] We will get the score of 121. This is 10 points higher than in the US. That means, silly people like you are not allowed to study medicine in Tel Aviv University. There’s no way you wouldn’t fail this test, ape.

    The requirements in your country must be very low, considering that the mean IQ of the students is 111

    111 was the estimated IQ of health and medical sciences majors (mostly future nurses). The most common majors for future medical students are biology (average IQ 121) followed by chemistry (average IQ 124). Of course not all of this are capable of getting into med school, it isn’t so easy and some who don’t end up getting Ph.D.’s in Biology, or simply work in labs.

    You see Sharikov, every one of your claims here has proven to be false. You “think” something stupid and wrong, then draw false conclusions based on your mistaken premises. This is a pattern with you, you did the same with heritability earlier.

    You are a perfect illustration of why it was wrong to have too many people with tertiary education in the USSR. It meant a lot of stupid people like you who can’t think wasted society’s resources by getting tertiary degrees.

    I will address your idiotic defence of Stalinism later, if I have time.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
  321. Mr. Hack says:
    @Ron Unz

    Well, what can you expect? It’s researchers like Professor Tennessee that help compile the statistics that are the basis for analysis.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  322. @Ron Unz

    So I guess I’m stuck and have absolutely no knowledge of this world.

    It’s not as bad as that, although I don’t know any source of info that you can believe w/o reservation. Every piece of info should be taken with a grain of salt. Info from known liars (e.g., the government) should be either dismissed or taken with a bag of salt. Some of it can be cross-checked, if one has time and resources. The US government cried “wolf” way too many times for me to trust it.

    Roman rule cui bono holds. If the source of info (or those who control it) benefits by providing particular numbers, they cannot be trusted. When fudging the numbers presented does not benefit the source (or, better yet, anyone), they are credible. If the source has a strong interest in numbers being higher or lower than reality, whatever that source presents should be dismissed or at least subjected to independent verification. It is useful to get your info from sources with opposite interests. Whatever they agree on has a good chance of being true. Nature gave us two eyes for a reason: looking from only one point deceives.

    Welcome to the world of propaganda in a world without free media. Today in the US (and the rest of the West) virtually all MSM are owned by the same cabal that owns the governments. That is why media so often repeat the same narrative verbatim, copy-pasting from the same script. It’s generally useful to remember that nobody ever propagandized the times table. Simply because it’s true.

    • Replies: @AP
    , @Ron Unz
  323. AP says:
    @AnonfromTN

    This sounds clever but you have a history of just believing random internet nonsense that confirms what you want to hear, like that story about the American military trainer supposedly making fun of Ukrainian soldiers that proved to be fake and invented by some Russian pranksters.

  324. @Ron Unz

    An old joke from Soviet period.
    A guy comes to the clinic and says:
    – I need eye and ear doctor.
    Receptionists tells him:
    – We have eye doctors, we have ear doctors, but we don’t have eye and ear doctors. Why would you need one?
    – Because I hear various things, but see something totally different.

    • LOL: Barbarossa
  325. @songbird

    Comes across as a likable and honest person who didn’t fit into the corporate mold. I’m surprised Atari would post the video given that he basically exposed their lousy treatment of their devs. Looked him up, seems his second company got bought up in a hostile takeover after which it nosedived in quality. He cashed out but his life’s work was taken over by suits without a passion for the craft. Sad ending.

    Come to think of it, not many artists outsmart corporations. Of the big ones, George Lucas is a standout. IIRC, it was he who pioneered the tactic of getting a certain percentage of royalties on toys and other merchandise. In hindsight it seems like such an obvious play, but it who could have predicted Star Wars would have been such a long-lasting hit? Except Lucas, of course.

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  326. @AP

    So, doctor.

    You have been challenged and are incapable to respond, other than with another insult.

    You will always be lower than someone like me!

    You were offered a chance to demonstrate that. You have failed.

    Look at this burst of emotions, a narcissist in rage. Look at this arrogance. You are frustrated, so this pride of imaginable self-importance comes up. You have a big ego but a small brain, ape.

    If Sharikov could think he would have known that I know what a standard deviation is and that this would explain why my estimates were within about one point every time.

    Yes it was clear to me that you couldn’t count that. And it doesn’t matter whether you had or hadn’t known what the deviation is, as it takes a second to find out.

    To me it was a new concept.

    And perhaps it doesn’t make me a genius, but it does make you an idiot, because converting one scale to the other is not compliated, and you couldn’t do it.

    Yes, the answer can be accurately estimated based on percentage of standard deviation that it deviates from the mean.

    Yes it can be. You couldn’t do that, nevertheless.

    You gave the score of 89 for 418. Using a percentage, we had a deviation of 82 – i.e. 82 percent of 100, and needed to find the corresponding number on the scale of 15, that is 82 percent of 15, which is counted in the head – 80 x 15 = 1,200 plus 2 x 15 = 30, and that’s 1,230 : 100 = 12.30 – it was not so difficult.

    You are boasting of counting like that without a calculator, and getting the result of 89, it’s a disgrace. You should be ashamed, not boasting. Couldn’t do basic arithmetic. An ape can’t count.

    And that’s not what the initial question was. You were asked to find the corresponding score using the method which was described as the following.

    PISA scores, mean 500, standard deviation 100, can be transformed into IQ values, mean 100, standard deviation 15, by adding or subtracting the deviation from the mean in the relationship 15 : 100.

    You were supposed to find a correct solution. You were asked to explain how it’s done. And it’s right in front of us – 15 : 100. There’s no need to even think about a percentage. You have the ratio right here, 0.15, fool.

    You are a backward person.

    [MORE]

    Now let us take a closer look at other fallacies of the ape’s intellect.

    [You were saying that the questions for smarter countries were made more difficult] – Correct, on the verbal parts of the test that differed between countries. On the parts where the items were identical the used different norms.

    A logical question: if the mean score of 100 was attained through making the questions more or less difficult, then why it was only applied to the verbal parts of the test, when it’s obvious that in this case all questions would have to be made equally more or less difficult in all departments.

    Another question.

    How many thousands of hours would it take to find such a set of questions, that would bring the mean result of the test to a score of 100, and how many minutes would it take to find a coefficient, that does the same without changing any of the questions.

    And one more question – are you mentally retarded?

    (Don’t answer this one, it’s a rhetorical question.)

    Remember, in your idiocy you insisted that they did not use different norms in each country but all used something like a “Greenwich standard.”

    https://mpra.ub.uni-muenchen.de/13210/1/MPRA_paper_13210.pdf
    Read about it here.

    Most intelligence tests have been constructed in Britain and the United States and have been administered to samples of the populations in other countries throughout the world. In order to make comparisons possible, Lynn set the mean IQ of Britain at 100 with a standard deviation of 15, and he calculated the mean IQs of other countries in relation to this “Greenwich IQ”.

    How can it be so difficult to understand, that in order to compare the intelligence of two countries one standard set of norms must be used for both of them – otherwise, using the local norms we would get the mean score of 100 in both countries and wouldn’t know, which one is better than the other.

    That’s a plain logical conclusion.

    The mean of 500 is the mean of all participating countries of the OECD, not the mean of the United Kingdom.

    This is regarding the PISA test, from the same paper.

    To make comparisons possible, one standard set of norms has to be applied to all participating countries, be it the British coefficient or the combined average of the OECD – doesn’t matter, but it has to be the same for all. Otherwise it’s impossible to compare the results, we need a point of reference.

    Can you see who is wrong here?

    Not me.

    Now you admit that they don’t [use something like a Greenwich standard] but try to distract from your previous stupidity with a new one.

    They don’t, for internal use – it’s pointless and inconvenient, and can be corrected with an application of a correct coefficient.

    However we need to get a score first, and the raw score of the test is in different figures whatsoever.

    Assessing Cognitive Abilities Using the WAIS-IV
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8297006/

    The WAIS-IV subtests can be classified into dichotomous and polytomous subtests. The former are scored 0, 1 on all items and the latter are rated using more than two score options, i.e. 0, 1, 2, etc.

    There are 295 items in the dichotomous subtest group, and given that a correct solution is counted as one point, we can get a score of 295.

    There are in addition to that 96 items in the polytomous subtest group, that can give us a couple of hundred points or even more, and the sum total of these will make up the raw score.

    Considering that the maximum result of the test is 160, is it not obvious that for any local version of the test the same system of calculating a raw score is used, and the raw score count is the same for any country?

    Once the average raw score is obtained it’s calibrated and normalized with a coefficient bringing it down to 100, which is different for every country.

    For example, for dummies – if the average raw score in the US is 315 it has to be scaled with 3.15 coefficient, i.e. 315 : 3.15 = 100; if the average raw score in China is 380 it has to be scaled with 3.8 coefficient, i.e. 380 : 3.8 = 100.

    And the questions are of the same difficulty everywhere.

    Similarities, Comprehension, and Vocabulary had one or more country-specific items or had items that had moved from the original position as they were easier or more difficult in a specific country.

    The items are evaluated as easy, normal, or difficult, and are placed accordingly in the ascending order. The amount of easy, normal, and difficult items is the same in any localized version of the test.

    So in order to achieve a mean of 100, items were made easier or more difficult or placed in a different order in order to match difficulty level.

    A wonderful example of the chimpanzee thinking. Keep insisting on that, and don’t forget to insult me, i.e. throw poop.

    [the words in the vocabulary subtest and the arithmetic problems are different in different countries.]

    The words in the arithmetic problems are different, not the arithmetic problems, but the words, of the desription.

    Read the entire sentence ape, not a part of it.

    While the verbal subtests may be somewhat altered when they are translated – for example, the words in the vocabulary subtest and the arithmetic problems are different in different countries, – the performance subtest test materials, the testing procedure and instructions are the same across borders.

    So, to sum this up.

    You can’t do basic arithmetic. An ape can’t count.

    You can’t understand the logic of using the same set of questions with different coefficients, continue to insist on the idea that the questions are engineered to be more or less difficult for various countries, so that in every country the population had the average score of precicely 100 – and that this is manipulated through making the questions more or less difficult, until the result matches.

    You are officially an ape.

    Have a good night.

    • Replies: @AP
  327. S says:

    A few weeks back I’d posted a Daily Mail story which reported what the vast majority of surviving British WWII veterans had long thought, ie that:

    ‘This isn’t the Britain we fought for…’

    And that almost universally these veterans felt ‘betrayed’ by the British government.

    This had made me wonder about what the United States WWII veterans thought about the US government. I figured it was probably a very similar sense of betrayal the Brits had felt, and, for the very same reasons.

    Got a bit of verification on that recently, again from the Daily Mail. A US Marine Corps Sergeant and WWII veteran, Carl Spurlin Dekle, turned a hundred years old a few days ago. He had signed up as a volunteer in 1940, eighty-two years ago, even before the US had formally entered the war.

    During a recent interview to celebrate his birthday, Dekle burst into tears, saying the America of today is not what they had fought for:

    ‘We haven’t got the country we had when I was raised, not at all,’ he said…It’s just not the same. And that’s not what our boys, that’s not what they died for.’

    This is the same terminology of the British veterans, along with the same sense of betrayal at the hands of their own government. One can be assured the vast majority of the surviving US WWII veterans have long thought the same as Dekle.

    A people’s elders, in particular the grandparents and great grand parents, should be honored. They should be the most respected persons within the society. Their words and thoughts should be listened to and given the greatest of weight.

    With the words described here of something being terribly wrong within the US and UK, especially in regards to a people being betrayed by their own government(s), everything should stop, including wars, and great soul searching should take place within the Anglosphere countries, before doing anything else.

    Should there have to be fighting, it should be against the enemies far closer to home, rather than against foreign phantoms.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10978487/amp/WWII-veteran-celebrating-100th-birthday-breaks-discussing-current-state-America.html

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1229643/This-isnt-Britain-fought-say-unknown-warriors-WWII.html

  328. songbird says:
    @S

    JSTOR should be nuked!

    I’d like to read an archaeological journal published 125 years ago, for free. Is that so wrong? I mean, I’m not trying to find the Ark of the Covenant and have my armies march behind it and take over the world. (In fact, my plan involves a different artifact…)

    But when you build an organization that effectively blocks access to something like that, then you are bottom-feeding scum, IMO!

    • Replies: @S
  329. songbird says:
    @Thulean Friend

    He does evoke the Woz (who also made a classic game for Atari, though for the arcade) a bit, doesn’t he?

    I guess children get nostalgic for things, that on the corporate side, can be produced in difficult environments for the workers. In Japan, I’d think of animation studios and their brutal work schedules.

    • Agree: Thulean Friend
  330. Wokechoke says:
    @Beckow

    Glamour is about creating envy. Ukies can all die to enable Zelenskyy’s entry in to the glamourous celeb circuit on the global level.

  331. AP says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    “If Sharikov could think he would have known that I know what a standard deviation is and that this would explain why my estimates were within about one point every time.”

    Yes it was clear to me that you couldn’t count that.

    However, as we see – nothing is clear to you.

    And perhaps it doesn’t make me a genius, but it does make you an idiot, because converting one scale to the other is not compliated, and you couldn’t do it.

    I showed that I did it but you were too dumb to realize it.

    You gave the score of 89 for 418. Using a percentage, we had a deviation of 82 – i.e. 82 percent of 100, and needed to find the corresponding number on the scale of 15, that is 82 percent of 15, which is counted in the head – 80 x 15 = 1,200 plus 2 x 15 = 30, and that’s 1,230 : 100 = 12.30 – it was not so difficult.

    You are boasting of counting like that without a calculator, and getting the result of 89, it’s a disgrace.

    Actual number was 87.7.

    Close enough. I don’t owe you more than 10 seconds on this problem, I simply saw that it was slightly worse than 3/4 a SD and gave an estimate.

    Sharikov “thought” I didn’t know how to do this.

    Naturally you “forgot” to post my estimates that were closer: 118 (actual was 118.7), and 110 (actual was 109.9)

    Why are you afraid of the truth, Sharikov? That my 10 second estimate done in my mind was within about a point of your calculations.

    [MORE]

    “[You were saying that the questions for smarter countries were made more difficult] – Correct, on the verbal parts of the test that differed between countries. On the parts where the items were identical the used different norms.”

    A logical question: if the mean score of 100 was attained through making the questions more or less difficult, then why it was only applied to the verbal parts of the test, when it’s obvious that in this case all questions would have to be made equally more or less difficult in all departments.

    Because the verbal parts had to be constructed in each language, whereas the nonverbal parts were universal and just repeated, with different norms.

    When the verbal parts were constructed, they were done in a way that the difficulty would match each population.

    You didn’t understand this part, as you don’t understand many things:

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/330578022_A_Cross-Cultural_Analysis_of_the_WISC-V

    “Similarities, Information, Comprehension, and Vocabulary had one or more country-specific items or had items that had moved from the original position (as they were easier or more difficult in a specific country).”

    So in order to achieve a mean of 100, items were made easier or more difficult or placed in a different order in order to match difficulty level. On the Wechsler tests, easy items come first and more difficult ones follow.

    More:

    “The analysis of Vocabulary scores could not follow the same pattern. Many countries have adapted the subtest items considerably either by replacing words from the English original or by moving words that are shared with the English original to different positions. For example, item 23 in the US version is the same as item 13 in the German version.”

    ::::::::::::

    So indeed, when these subtests were reconstructed in different populations the items were made or moved around that corresponded to the difficulty level for each population. They were not simply translated.

    How many thousands of hours would it take to find such a set of questions, that would bring the mean result of the test to a score of 100, and how many minutes would it take to find a coefficient, that does the same without changing any of the questions.

    Sharikov shows that he can’t think beyond one step.

    The test is made so that it provides a range of scores. If the questions are too easy and only the norms are changed, the test will not be able to capture ceilings and floors accurately. For example, if every question was 1+1 or 2+ 3, the test would only identify impaired people.

    “Remember, in your idiocy you insisted that they did not use different norms in each country but all used something like a “Greenwich standard.”

    https://mpra.ub.uni-muenchen.de/13210/1/MPRA_paper_13210.pdf

    Read about it here.

    Most intelligence tests have been constructed in Britain and the United States and have been administered to samples of the populations in other countries throughout the world. In order to make comparisons possible, Lynn set the mean IQ of Britain at 100 with a standard deviation of 15, and he calculated the mean IQs of other countries in relation to this “Greenwich IQ”.

    How can it be so difficult to understand, that in order to compare the intelligence of two countries one standard set of norms must be used for both of them – otherwise, using the local norms we would get the mean score of 100 in both countries and wouldn’t know, which one is better than the other.

    Sharikov does not know what he read. But I’m glad you finally agree with me that one norm needs to ne used to compare IQs of different countries. As I wrote long ago, this was achieved by using Progressive Matrices which uses identical stimuli, and not WAIS which differs on verbal subtests.

    Lynn did not create the world’s IQ tests. He was trying to compare norms between tests. Each one is normed within its own country.

    To make his comparisons he calculated an IQ based on Progressive Matrices (the test that you don’t like, because you are dumb) and PISA.

    Once the average raw score is obtained it’s calibrated and normalized with a coefficient bringing it down to 100, which is different for every country.

    For example, for dummies – if the average raw score in the US is 315 it has to be scaled with 3.15 coefficient, i.e. 315 : 3.15 = 100; if the average raw score in China is 380 it has to be scaled with 3.8 coefficient, i.e. 380 : 3.8 = 100.

    And the questions are of the same difficulty everywhere.

    There are not, as has been explained to you.

    The items are evaluated as easy, normal, or difficult, and are placed accordingly in the ascending order. The amount of easy, normal, and difficult items is the same in any localized version of the test.

    They are placed n a way that they are difficult relative to their own populations.

    So a population of smart people will have more difficult easy items, medium items, and difficult items than those for a less smart population. In this way each country’s test will be able to capture the full range of intelligence for people in each country taking that test.

    The words in the arithmetic problems are different, not the arithmetic problems, but the words, of the desription.

    Read the entire sentence ape, not a part of it.

    While the verbal subtests may be somewhat altered when they are translated – for example, the words in the vocabulary subtest and the arithmetic problems are different in different countries, – the performance subtest test materials, the testing procedure and instructions are the same across borders.

    Entire sentence doesn’t contradict what I wrote. Arithmetic isn’t part of the performance subtest materials. It’s verbal, because it uses words.

    You can’t understand the logic of using the same set of questions with different coefficients

    You can’t understand that doing so makes the test less useful in each country.

    continue to insist on the idea that the questions are engineered to be more or less difficult for various countries

    You can’t understand that this is what the papers say is done.

    You have failed as usual and as always.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
  332. Wokechoke says:
    @S

    The guys who stormed Normandy and crossed the Rhine etc died to have Jews rule their grandchildren and niggers overrun their cities, while their grandsons had castrations.

    We should apologize to the good lads who attempted to stop the invading armies. Western civilization died on the beaches and cliffs around Normandy in June 6 1944.

    Rommel and his boys never had a chance.

  333. songbird says:

    Dutch farmers should embargo soy.

  334. S says:
    @songbird

    JSTOR should be nuked!

    Hehe! JSTOR does like to tease, and only let’s a person read a few pages. Is it JSTOR that requires signing up, but having credentials, as in academic credentials, or did I misunderstand? Surely not!

    I imagine you’ve tried this (but, just in case), have you tried online rare book stores. Not all those old titles are so expensive. One thing I’ve found is the search functions at many of those sites don’t seem to half work.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  335. Mr. Hack says:
    @S

    Are you familiar with the “Internet Sacred Text Website”? It’s been several years since I’ve used it, but do remember being fond of the vast library of resources and high quality presentations.:

    https://sacred-texts.com/eso/index.htm

    • Replies: @S
  336. Sean says:
    @Beckow

    They may have thought they could isolate Russia’s economy from the West if needed, but would not have chosen to actually do that because an inevitable result would bee Russia and China integrating economically and ceasing to worry about each other. Although the conflict has “create a better armed united Nato”, the strengthening effect on Russia is relatively greater. Russia now has combat experience, and has worked out how to deal with American weapons. The leverage America has over Russia is gone. I am sure America wanted Ukraine to compromise and settle the conflict. The US miscalculation was thinking the extremely inexperienced Ukrainian leadership knew what it was doing and the Ukrainians’ error was to believe that Russia would be deterred by the threat of trouble with America, so Putin was bluffing, but this is Russia’s front yard. They blundered but they are in it now; as Mearsheimer says, they are going to fight like hell.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    , @Sean
    , @YetAnotherAnon
  337. Ron Unz says:
    @AnonfromTN

    Every piece of info should be taken with a grain of salt. Info from known liars (e.g., the government) should be either dismissed or taken with a bag of salt.

    Look, here’s a very practical example. Lots of the crazy anti-Vaxxers are claiming Covid vaxxing sterilizes women so birth rates will soon drop by a substantial amount.

    Suppose next year there’s no major reported change in the birth rate, so I tell those anti-Vaxxers that they were wrong. But they claim that all the American birth statistics are now fraudulent so that doesn’t prove anything. How could I respond?

    Over the years, I’ve done a great deal of statistical analysis on ethnic crime correlations based upon the demographics and populations of major American cities and their crime rates (including homicides). Lots of people with contrary ideological positions have fiercely attacked my analyses in all sorts of ways, but not even the craziest and most extreme have ever argued that all the official homicide totals, population figures, or racial numbers are simply fraudulent and should be disregarded. If they did, I don’t have a clue how I could respond. And if our total number of deaths aren’t reliable, how in the world could I trust those more complex totals.

    I was recently arguing with some pro-Maoist commenter who claimed that the Great Leap Forward famine never happened and was just a CIA hoax. I pointed out if you look at China’s 1982 population pyramid, you see a gigantic “hole” around the time of the alleged famine, indicating that during 1959-1961 many, many millions of children or infants must have died of starvation while fertility rates also dropped to very low levels for similar reasons.

    So he claimed that all the official PRC population statistics for the last few decades have been fraudulent, intended to make it look like China had had a huge famine back then. I suppose he might be correct, but if 100% of all Chinese statistics are fake, I don’t have much to go on.

  338. Seraphim says:
    @AP

    Recently the ‘Hero of our time’, the President of a marginal country, who shoots at the damned ‘Rashka’ with his piano-playing organ (but certainly this time using his hand, not like in the ‘viral’ video), ordered that ”The Treaties and Resolutions of the Rights and Freedoms of the Zaporozhian Host”, aka ”The Constitution of Pylyp Orlyk” (the ‘Lithuanian’ of ‘Belorussian-Czech origin’, who succeeded Mazeppa as ‘Hetman’) will be translated from Latin into Ukrainian, and tens of thousands of copies will be sent to Ukrainian schools. And he explained why:
    “The norms of the Constitution make it possible to decipher the GENETIC CODE of our nation. Find the answer to two main questions: what is Ukraine and who are the Ukrainians? This is our detailed portrait. And especially now, during a full-scale war, its main features are clearly visible”!
    For sure, the main feature announced in the Preamble of the Constitution, is that the Zaporozhian Host, aka Cossacks are the Khazars! “This nation cannot be defeated! Only exterminated. But even this is impossible. Because we are of Cossack descent!” And according to the piano-player to make Ukraine look more like ‘big Israel’ than Europe in the wake of Russia’s war!
    Nowhere in the Constitution is any mention of the ‘Ukrainians’ or ‘Ukraine’. Ergo, the ‘Ukrainians’ are the Khazars. It’s official. Have your kippah at hand. ”Khazarians of the world, unite” and send your money for the ‘reconstruction of Khazarstan’!
    BTW, the ‘Zaporozhian Sich’ was created by the Poles (your beloved Wiśniowieckis – descendants of Gediminids, although modern historians ”believe there is more evidence for them to have descended from the Rurikids”) and included in the Kiev Voivodeship from 1583 to 1657, part of the ‘Lesser Poland Province’/Prowincja małopolska/Polonia Minor of the Polish Crown.

    • Replies: @AP
  339. @AP

    Hello ape.

    Shall we continue?

    [MORE]

    Lol, no it means that 40% of variance from the mean at midlife was accounted for purely by general cognitive ability at age 20 and less then 1% by other factors such as further education.

    Really, logically – if that’s true – than 40% of variance was accounted for general cognitive ability at age 20, and the other 60% of variance?

    It goes over your head, monkey, you don’t have any ability to think logically. A statement like this implies that there’s 100% of variance, and 40% is explained so what about the rest of it? It’s right here in the premises.

    You keep on posting LOL, that fits an ape.

    It doesn’t mean IQ can change from 100 to 140 from age 20. You are a moron who can’t read.

    You are a moron who can’t reason.

    With your logic a mathematician like Perelman could have solved that theorem at the age of 20 or 22, because his intelligence was the same then as later in life. Or a composer like Wagner could have created Parsifal at the age of 20, perhaps 22 – he had what it takes back then.

    It means that for adults that inherite qualities account for 60% of intelligence and environment for 40%.

    Quote the sentence that confirms this idiotic idea. You are making things up, twisting the fats, distorting the meaning of words, and then claiming it with a posture of a very important intellectual.

    There’s nothing in that paper that even hinted at that.

    And even if that was true, it doesn’t make me wrong moron because in this case 40% of intelligence depends on education and living conditions. You have stated a few paragraphs above that these 40% are variance based on general cognitive ability at age 20, and now it’s nutrition, school, and influence of parents.

    You are not indeed following this random bullshit that your silly head produces, right?

    Sharikov can’t read scientific papers. [Nonetheless, GCTA has shown that additive effects of common SNPs can theoretically account for at least half of the heritability of intelligence.]

    Theoretically, ape the Sun can be proven to revolve around the Earth and not the other way round. Theoretically, it doesn’t make any difference.

    So currently we have evidence for half of the heritability (which is genetic) of intelligence. Ongoing research will illuminate the other half.

    This is not an evidence – this is a theory, a possibility, which is completely hypothetical. You keep doing it again and again, distorting the meaning of a statement to make it fit your expectations.

    The article is not about non-heritable factors such as parental influence or school, these are considered to be environmental. They are important also, accounting for 60% of intelligence in adolescence and 40% in adulthood.

    So, a new insight – Eureka!

    60% of intelligence in adolescence is dependent on environment. 40% is inherited.

    But genetics accounts for 40% of intelligence in adolescence and 60% in adulthood.

    Then the influence of environment – nutrition, education, and people – goes down to 40%. You have said that these 40% were related to general cognitive abilities at age 20, now it’s the influence of environment in adulthood.

    You have said in the beginning that less then 1% of other factors such as further education are responsible for intelligence in adulthood. Now it’s 40%. You are a silly son of a bitch arguing for the sake of argument.

    Can’t believe to be wasting my time talking to a silly ape like you.

    Let me remind you what we are talking about stupid.

    This means that in adulthood the difference in intelligence can be registered at up to 40% variance, like for example a person with IQ 100 at age 20 can be 140 in late midlife.

    So, according to your own line of reasoning, non-heritable factors, such as education, account for about 40% of intelligence in adulthood.

    And if a person has an IQ of 140 in adulthood, how much of that score is determined as the influence of environment – does it look like 40 or not, you silly Ukrainian?

    According to your own reasoning, out of 140 about 100 is inherited, and the 40 on top of that is accounted as personal development – in adulthood, you cheating moron.

    And the 100 in adolescence is 40 inherited and 60 developed.

    Such a statement can be translated from the chimpanzee language like this – the influence of environment on a person’s intelligence is critical, being accounted for as much as 60% of his cognitive abilities in adolescence and 40% in his adult life.

    Now how is any of this contradicting my initial statement, or proves me wrong, you sick son of a bitch? That’s what my comment was about.

    What is the point of insulting me, what was that diatribe for?

    If a kid has an IQ of 105, it is – following your interpretation – 40 percent inherited, that’s 42 point, and the rest is the result of his studies, that’s 63. If that kid, later in life, being a man, has the same IQ of 105, then – following your interpretation – 63 points of it turn into inherited, and 42 points, on top of that, are his effort.

    A completely retarded and irrational constrution, ape.

    But even if this was true my initial statement remains correct.

    You are trying to discredit it with a ridiculous idea that a person’s intelligence doesn’t change much after adolescence. You began with claiming that less then 1% of it can be affected with further education. Then, a paragraph or two later, it happened to be 40%. You are not even thinking about what you are writing.

    And you are denying the most fundamental principle of psychology – that a man can learn, and change throughout his life, for better or worse, at any age.

    Mozart could compose music in adolescence. And he did. But he couldn’t compose anything like his Requiem till he was 35. Had he had the intelligence that took it to create that piece at age 20 he would have been composing on that level right from the start. But he couldn’t – he didn’t have what it takes back then.

    Miguel de Cervantes penned his first book at age 38. And he couldn’t write anything like Don Quixote till he was 58 – he didn’t have what it takes, back then.

    You can read about various discoveries and great works of art and see that for the most part people created them in their late midlife or even later.

    This fat alone is enough to prove that intelligence is rising and growing, as long as a person is pursuing something that takes intelligence to deal with. But of course in your view none of that really matter, you consider that solving puzzles is enough to prove you are very smart.

    And you think that if a stupid son of a bitch like yourself and others of your family have never learned anything new after 20, so the rest of us haven’t either, because who can be better than you, a great-great son of a noble Ukrainian or Polish landlord.

    You are plain and primitive.

    So here is something else for you to take into consideration. Knowing that my argumentation will not suffice, here are a couple of scientific articles that you said you can read better than me.

    Check it out.

    Domain-Specific Knowledge as the “Dark Matter” of Adult Intelligence
    https://academic.oup.com/psychsocgerontology/article/55/2/P69/578710

    The brightest in terms of IQ novice would not be expected to fare well when performing cardiovascular surgery in comparison to the middle-aged expert, just as the best entering college student cannot be expected to deliver a flawless doctoral thesis defense, in comparison to the same student after several years of academic study and empirical research experience – in this view, knowledge does not compensate for a declining adult intelligence; it is intelligence.

    When does cognitive functioning peak?
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25770099/

    Here, we present convergent evidence from 48,537 online participants and a comprehensive analysis of normative data from standardized IQ and memory tests. Our results reveal considerable heterogeneity in when cognitive abilities peak: Some abilities peak and begin to decline around high school graduation; some abilities plateau in early adulthood, beginning to decline in subjects’ 30s; and still others do not peak until subjects reach their 40s or later.

    See the graphic chart.
    https://postimg.cc/PLFtRhvp

    Verbal intelligence, general knowledge, comprehension and mathematical thinking are peaking between the age of 45 and 55.

    You are wrong.

    But let’s continue. You are wrong, and arrogant and insolent at the same time. Yet being stupid as a pig.

    Kids were tested at age 5 when genetics only accounts for 20% of intelligence and at age 14 when it accounts for 40%. Also scores at age 4-6 are rather unreliable.

    Here is the page for a reference once more.
    https://postimg.cc/67Hdb7hr

    Children were tested from age five to fourteen, and had scores that averaged 115. From age six they were tested with the WAIS test for children.

    What does this remark that scores at age 4-6 are unreliable have to do with it? Dumbass. Literally nothing. So what’s the point of saying that – arguing for the sake of argument, like a stubborn asshole. You are clearly wrong.

    The same children, from the same families, of the same age, but raised at home, had scores that averaged 92 for Sephardi and 108 for Ashkenazi.

    Despite the fact that, according to your interpretation, 40% of their score was accounted for genetics, the gap of 16 point of the difference disappeared. Therefore, if that was dependent in 40% on genetics, then genetics didn’t do what it’s supposed to do in a kibbutz.

    Your entire line of reasoning is crooked.

    Let’s go on.

    Russia under the Bolsheviks failed to develop as well as all other European countries did. Some of the remaining [genetically smart] ones returned to their prior positions, their energy having been spent on survival. Or elsewhere, for example Sikorsky who fled Russia [and] developed America’s helicopters.

    Other European countries weren’t damaged as much as Russia, didn’t have to survive a civil war and famine.

    And the Soviet Union managed to develop helicopters somehow without Sikorsky. For your information, the most popular helicopter in the world is the Soviet Mi-8, and the largest and most powerful helicopter in the world is the Soviet Mi-26.

    Still the best.

    This [the Russian people are the most educated] means that on average their people with higher education are dumber then those of European countries where access to higher education is more selective.

    Their people are a lot smarter than your people. The Ukrainians have the IQ of 90, and that’s probably your own IQ as well.

    Access to higher education is least selective in the most intelligent countries. On the top ten list there are two European countries – Finland with IQ 101.2 and Germany with 100.7, in both countries higher education is free and there are no entrance examinations – anybody can get in.

    And in Ukraine the situation is not so good – people are dumb, must be that genetics you are talking about. You know your kind.

    Average IQ by Country 2022
    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/average-iq-by-country

    You stupidly didn’t know what a major was, and now you “throw poo” at America because you were caught being stupid as usual.

    Not knowing the specifics of American terminology doesn’t make anybody stupid, it does look stupid assuming that someone is because he doesn’t know how you call this or that in America.

    You are not the center of the earth, get grounded.

    The most common majors for future medical students are biology followed by chemistry. You see Sharikov, every one of your claims here has proven to be false.

    Well, this is the first one – there’s no problem for me to admit this, there’s no shame it it, no one is supposed to know that in the US people are supposed to get a bachelor’s degree prior to entering the MD studies program.

    This is different from how it’s done in most other countries.

    You are a perfect illustration of why it was wrong to have too many people with tertiary education in the USSR. It meant a lot of stupid people like you who can’t think wasted society’s resources by getting tertiary degrees.

    Very funny.

    Hope you have had some bananas tonight.

    Tomorrow we will address your idiotic family’s genealogy, among other things.

    Take care and have a good one.

    Dumbass.

    • Replies: @AP
  340. Beckow says:
    @Sean

    …as Mearsheimer says, they are going to fight like hell.

    Everybody is going to fight like hell – that’s the problem. In some ways it resembles WWI – also a war that was started reluctantly over issues that didn’t require a war, but once started and escalated nobody knew how to stop it. Even the trench warfare with endless artillery duels is similar to WWI.

    Another similarity could be that WWI completely reshuffled the world: new powers emerged, new ways of running a society, a conscious abandonment of the pre-WWI world. Nothing was ever the same – a person who lived in 1650 or even 1400 could recognize Europe of 1914 – it would be vaguely familiar with societies that grew organically for 400-500 years. But by 1920 everything was different: states, forms of government, people’s attitudes…

    This war is so far regional and it may stay that way. But it has the potential to change everything like WWI did – winners and losers, new alliances. We may look back and decide that everybody miscalculated – another common trope about WWI.

    The old world by the early 2022 was possibly done. That could explain why the planning by all sides was so bad: how do you plan an ending for a society that won’t last? This is definitely true about Kiev, but could also be true about some others. One thing we know: it won’t be a “transgender” world, that has no future.

    • Replies: @Sean
  341. @Ron Unz

    One thing I’ve noticed is that people drawn to alternative websites tend to be divided into several camps. The best types are those who are skeptical in general without being contrarian as a default. I think it was Matra who noted that while he didn’t buy the official WW2 narrative, he spent much time battling online Nazis who bought every single piece of German war propaganda hook, line and sinker.

    Similarly, there are always going to be people who will never believe the official narrative. Yesterday it was chemtrails and today it’s Qanon. Who knows what it will be tomorrow. You can’t really argue with such people. They will swallow almost anything as long as it’s edgy and non-sanctioned by the official narrative.

    We have historical evidence of much smarter people than AnonfromTN engaging in outright quackery (e.g. Newton being obsessed with alchemy and biblical prophecies of doom), so this seems to be some form of psychological impulse divorced from intelligence that occurs in some people.

    For him the specific form it takes on is flu hoaxxing.

    • Replies: @Bumpkin
  342. Sean says:
    @Sean

    Zelenskiy Criticizes Biden: Talk of War With Russia a ‘Mistake’https://www.usnews.com › News › World News
    28 Jan 2022 — Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy appealed to his American counterpart to dial back his appraisals of the threat Russia poses to the …

  343. S says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Thanks. No, I’d never heard of them. Someone should have a single website that’s inclusive of all the free/no sign up (ie no hassle) online libraries. 🙂

  344. Bumpkin says:
    @Thulean Friend

    For him the specific form it takes on is flu hoaxxing.

    Or you and Ron don’t know how to read English, as he clearly said “I am not a flu hoaxer. Like I said, I have evidence that the virus is real and could be pretty bad. However, I also have evidence that virtually everything the government says is even worse.”

    Maybe you and Ron just aren’t that bright.

  345. LondonBob says:
    @Sean

    The Jews in the State Department have a warped idea of Russia, they thought they were luring Russia in to a trap with this war, it was the other way round. I read Johnson admitted in his grilling yesterday that they underestimated the diplomatic strength of Russia and China.

    “As you know, we got a good result from the UN General Assembly vote condemning the invasion, but… Russia and China are very influential”

    The best article I have read.

    https://thecritic.co.uk/the-wests-self-defeating-sanctions/

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @Miro23
  346. LondonBob says:

    Die Welt reporting Western support diminishing, whether by choice or necessity.

  347. Sean says:
    @LondonBob

    America is not without influence

    US to Support Pol Pot Regime For UN Seat https://www.washingtonpost.com › politics › 1980/09/16
    16 Sept 1980 — The United States will support the seating of Pol Pot’s “democratic Kampuchea” regime in the United Nations again this year despite its …

  348. AP says:
    @Seraphim

    Ukrainians and Poles are brother nations, so? Even the Khazar stuff of the early modern period was a Ukrainian variant of Polish Sarmatism.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    , @Seraphim
  349. @Ron Unz

    Been looking into the whole vaxx vs birth rate connection: https://twitter.com/BirthGauge/status/1543376177657692161

    These are close to live monthly updates to birth stats so there’s barely any room for fraud – I’ll say either enough mothers have been foregoing getting pregnant (very possible with the hysteria) or the effect is real and substantial. Remember we are still looking at what the initial wave of the vaccine push in EU gives us. If the former is true we will see a rebound next year or at least a stabilization, the latter a permanent 50-70% crash that leads to corresponding depopulation 1-2 generation later. Time will tell.

    If the 2nd is true, what will you make of all those studies looking at individual components of conception & pregnancy then? Those must have systemic fraud then.

  350. Very good, the highest level official RF politician, chairman of their parliament Volodin, threatened yesterday to take back Alaska from USA:

    «Есть такой регион, Аляска. И пусть Америка, когда пытается распоряжаться нашими ресурсами, подумает, что нам есть, что возвращать», — сказал Володин.

    https://ura.news/news/1052567922

    My quick translation – “There is such region, Alaska. America, which is trying to manage our resources, should think that we have something to take back”, – said Volodin.

    Ukrainians should spread it wide in order to counter Putin bootlicking propagandist efforts in USA, there is nothing better than such statements in order to ensure continuation and strenghtening of lend-lease.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    , @Beckow
  351. @Yellowface Anon

    After looking thru actual vaccine coverage 9 months before these data, I conclude that the countries already experiencing a rebound (+ve) were either very deep into the vaccine push (Latin Europe & Scotland) or not really committed to vaccinating at all (Balkans), by the time the pregnant women conceives. When this updates again I will see if the first one holds, so there is not yet the need to alarmism.

  352. @sudden death

    Neither Biden nor Trump would “return” Alaska to Russia. There wasn’t much of a settlement and only some orthodox conversions by the time Russia sold Alaska.

    • Replies: @songbird
  353. Ron Unz says:
    @Yellowface Anon

    Been looking into the whole vaxx vs birth rate connection

    Sure, those numbers are interesting, but I think more time would be necessary before drawing any serious conclusions. I’m very open-minded, and it’s perfectly possible that the anti-vaxxers are correct on that issue, but I’d need to see a lot more data first.

    I noticed that Scotland had a rise in births. Is anyone claiming they received a different vaccine. Also, New Zealand is supposedly almost 100% vaxxed with Pfizer, and they showed a huge increase in births of over 10%. Meanwhile, Russia, which is using its own non-mRNA vaccine, had a sharp decline in births.

    Based upon those cases, I think there’s a very strong presumption the declines are simply due to local sociological or economic factors.

    But suppose someone like AnonFromTN came along and just claimed that all the official numbers were probably fraudulent and can’t be trusted. How could anyone do any analysis of the question?

  354. @AP

    Well people, sorry for this long and probably boring argument, though nobody is probably reading it, but it must be still kind of awkward seeing these comments here every day.

    Please accept my apologies.

    This lad AP dragged me into this long polemic, insulting me and baiting me, posting disrespectful comments about my grandparents and my life, and everything else.

    You might have seen this before, there are plenty of such people on the internet.

    They are some kind of vampires. Sitting online on a site like this most of the time and sucking the energy out of people. Probably getting high on it or something.

    Most likely he is a sick man with serious mental issues.

    This conversation should have never been started, but alas – me is not a big internet user, he got the best of me.

    Now it’s like in that Mark Twain proverb.

    Sorry for that.

    Promise it will be over in a few days, there’s a bit of acrimony still to get off my chest and then it will be done.

    [MORE]

    Actual number was 87.7. Close enough. I don’t owe you more than 10 seconds on this problem, I simply saw that it was slightly worse than 3/4 a SD and gave an estimate.

    Sharikov “thought” I didn’t know how to do this. Naturally you “forgot” to post my estimates that were closer: 118 (actual was 118.7), and 110 (actual was 109.9)

    Why are you afraid of the truth, Sharikov? That my 10 second estimate done in my mind was within about a point of your calculations.

    Because it doesn’t make sense and is waste of time, citing three of your errors when one is sufficient.

    You counted three numbers and were wrong three times. You could have done it right, but failed, not having enough brainpower to process it.

    Here it is, in the head – 625, 125 larger than 500, so 125 x 0.15, is 1,250 + 625 = 1875 : 100, i.e. 18.75, + 100 is 118.75 – in the head, ten seconds.

    You couldn’t do it doctor smartass.

    Because the verbal parts had to be constructed in each language, whereas the nonverbal parts were universal and just repeated, with different norms.

    When the verbal parts were constructed, they were done in a way that the difficulty would match each population.

    Here we go again, arguing for the sake of argument.

    The question is if the nonverbal parts were repeated, with different norms, then who said that verbal parts had to be constructed in each language with various difficulties. An obvious solution is to maintain the same principle and level of difficulties across all the questions, in every part, and then apply the norms to all of them at once.

    The same as with your counting your logic is backward.

    So in order to achieve a mean of 100, items were made easier or more difficult or placed in a different order in order to match difficulty level. On the Wechsler tests, easy items come first and more difficult ones follow.

    Dude it looks like you are not even reading my replies.

    The amount of easy normal and diffiult questions is the same in all versions of the test, while some of the items may be moved replaced or modified the level of difficulty of the test in the end is the same for all countries – it isn’t more difficult for the Chinese than it is for the Americans, it’s exactly the same for them.

    Some specific questions might have been modified, like How far is Taiwan from Shanghai instead of How far is Cuba from Miami – for a Chinese person the former is the same question as for an American the latter. Not any ore or less difficult. Not a bit.

    Sharikov shows that he can’t think beyond one step.

    The test is made so that it provides a range of scores. If the questions are too easy and only the norms are changed, the test will not be able to capture ceilings and floors accurately.

    Haven’t you seen the article in my comment, and the table in it, or you are pretending to be even dumber than you really are, or maybe at this point you are simply trolling?

    Because in that article the number of questions is given and it’s a lot more than 160, which is the highest score, and at the same time it is said that one question is counted as at least one point.

    What range of scores are you talking about, dummy?

    There is a raw score of the correct answers, which is normalized to bring it down to 100 on average and 160 on maximum, so that it would correspond to the IQ classification.

    Stupid son of a bitch.

    Troll.

    Sharikov does not know what he read. But I’m glad you finally agree with me that one norm needs to be used to compare IQs of different countries.

    You are a sick person. You need to seek help. Visit a shrink or something, you are really not well.

    You have been arguing with me for the entire week, and now you are saying it’s you who have been trying to prove that one set of norms has to be used for international comparisons?

    Son of a bitch.

    Your words you have a nerve to quote and at the same time pretend you didn’t mean it.

    Remember, in your idiocy you insisted that they did not use different norms in each country but all used something like a Greenwich standard.

    Didn’t you write this earlier tonight, doesn’t it mean that you are saying that telling you about the same standard set of norms used for comparisons was my idiocy, you sick Ukrainian psychopath?

    You started this whole argument with that idea of changing questions so as to make a local version of the test more or less difficult, so that participants in various countries would score the same 100 on average everywhere, and you thought that these variations of difficulty were the norms.

    You lying bastard.

    It took me ten comments to finally prove it beyond any doubt that the norms were numbers, and that the same numbers are used to calculate the scores for comparisons between countries.

    As soon as your silly brain has eventually comprehended that, you are saying that you were of that opinion from the beginning, whereas you have been arguing with me trying to discredit it the entire time – you are a lot worse than you seemed to me.

    What a shameless Ukrainian lying pig. A sick in the head son of a bitch, stupid troll.

    Having no conscience whatsoever.

    He was trying to compare norms between tests. Each one is normed within its own country.

    To calculate the norms for various countries, he had to first obtain some kind of scores in other countries, you backward asshole.

    You get the scores with the same Greenwich set of norms chosen in his case as the British mean score of 100 and the corresponding set of coefficients.

    Once he got the British scores for various countries, he could then calculate the coefficient needed for a given country, based on the deviation of the British score in that very country from the mean of normal distribution score, i.e. 100.

    All of this has been thoroughly explained and demonstrated to your stupid ass in my previous comments, which you apparently haven’t read.

    They are placed in a way that they are difficult relative to their own populations.

    So a population of smart people will have more difficult easy items, medium items, and difficult items than those for a less smart population. In this way each country’s test will be able to capture the full range of intelligence for people in each country taking that test.

    No!

    What an imbecile.

    Nobody can answer all the questions, the score of 160 is on practice unattainable to nobody.

    A population of smart people will have the same easy items, medium items, and difficult items as those for a less smart population. But the smart population will answer more questions and get the higher scores, and then the scores will be normalized with a mathematical coefficient.

    These multiplier numbers are determined then for each country so that the average score would correspond to the normal distribution value of 100, the lowest to 40 and the highest to 160.

    The highest score is never met on practice – getting that score would place one above 99.997% of the population, so in a city of one million people there could be in theory 30 geniuses of this caliber, but there aren’t.

    The same with the lowest score, that would place an individual below the entire city except for the other 30 people as impaired as him – the 0.003% of the population. On practice such extremes are extremely rare.

    So a multiplier is used to make the raw score fit the normal distribution scale.

    Example.

    The average raw score of a chosen country is set as a standard, i.e. the Greenwich point of reference near which the other scores will be measured. Let it be the British IQ – i.e. the corresponding multiplier, transforming the raw score to normal for Britain.

    Let’s imagine that the raw average score of the UK is 400, so we need to find a coefficient that will convert it to 100. And 100 : 400 = 0.25, this number is our multiplier, transforming the raw score to normal in Britain.

    This coefficient is the British norm.

    So, if a person in the UK has a raw score 460 we use this norm to calibrate it to the normal distribution values. We use this coefficient, 460 x 0.25 is 115. His raw sore of 460 on the test is 115 on the normal distribution intelligence scale.

    Then if we want to find out what the average score in China is, we give the Chinese people the very same test – not any more difficult, in any way – we don’t know yet if they are smart or stupid.

    We carefully review all the questions, we translate them as accurate as possible, and we replace a number of culture specific items with similar ones, relevant to the Chinese in the same way as they are for the British in their version of the test.

    The questions are supposed to be, have to be, must be of precisely the same degree of difficulty in both versions of the test – as in the British so in the Chinese.

    We have no idea whether they are smarter than the British or not. And we want them to have exactly the same experience when they are doing this test, and the same chance to score according to their abilities as we are giving to the British.

    So, we have administered the test and it turned out, the Chinese are more intelligent than the British. The average raw score in China happened to be 500. We need to calibrate it to the British norm in order to compare it on the normal distribution scale, and in order to see where the the Chinese people are to be placed on the intelligence classification table.

    So we are using the same multiplier, 0.25 – 500 x 0.25 is 125.

    Now we can see that an average Chinese person is smarter than 95 percent of the British people. Now we can see that an average Chinese person is rated Superior in Britain, on the intelligence classification.

    And so we are doing with other countries, following the same method.

    We create a localized version of the test for Ukraine. We replace questions related to London with corresponding questions related to Kiev, etc., taking precautions that the questions are of the same nature, and are not any more or less difficult than the ones that we are replacing.

    We then administer the test in Ukraine.

    And it turns out that the Ukrainians are not as intelligent, as the British are. The raw average score in Ukraine happened to be 360.

    We need to calibrate it to the British norm, in order to compare it on the normal scale to our Greenwich IQ, and in order to see where the Ukrainian people are to be placed on the intelligence classification.

    So we are using the same multiplier, 0.25 – 360 x 0.25 is 90.

    Now we can see that an average Ukrainian is less smart than 75 percent of the British people. Now we can see, that an average Ukrainian person is rated on the border of Average in Britain, on the intelligence classification.

    One point less and he is a Low average.

    But that’s in Britain.

    For an internal use within Ukraine this multiplier doesn’t fit. 90 is a low score, but that’s what it is in Ukraine – it’s the average score in Ukraine, and it has to be calibrated to 100, so we can use it for evaluation of the people within their country.

    So we need to determine a coefficient that will convert it to 100. And 100 : 360 = 0.28, this number is our multiplier, transforming the raw score to the normal in Ukraine.

    There will be a small and insignificant error, 360 x 0.28 is 100.8 – on practice the numbers will not be whole, and there will be a multiplier like 0.2739726 for the score 365, but for the sake of clarity let us round it.

    And so on, then the same goes for China.

    On the British scale the average Chinese is 125, but in China he must be 100. We use a multiplier 0.2 and get the normal average Chinese score.

    And when a person scores 120 in China he is placed in the Superior IQ range, but on the international scale, with the Greenwich IQ of the UK as a standard, he is going to be rated as genius.

    Using the local norm we can derive the raw score from the normal, 120 : 0.2 = 600, and then scale it to the British standard, 600 x 0.25 is 150. That’s a genius in the UK.

    But here is what comes to mind – a Chinese with the local IQ of 140 doesn’t fit into the international scale at all, his IQ would have to be considered 175 but there’s no such a score because the highest result is 160.

    And there are some Chinese people with IQ 150 on the local scale.

    How to deal with this, and why is it happening?

    This is what they use the norms for and not a norm, there are three additional multipliers that take of this problem, bringing the highest result to 160 and the lowest to 40.

    But that’s not important in the context of this argument.

    You have failed as usual.

    No doubt, in your mind there is no other option for me. No matter who is wrong and who is right. You will continue to insist on me having failed.

    But perhaps someone else will read this and make his conclusions.

    You are a dishonest son of a bitch.

    You are sick in the head, and sick in the heart.

    Hello.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    , @AP
  355. Boris Johnson is gone. I like the comments about scandals doing him in as if this has nothing whatsoever to do with the sanctions at Russia cocking up the whole economy.

    It’s the economy stupid!

    Also I read the betting markets have Rushi Sunak on the top of the replacements.

    • LOL: Mikhail
  356. Mr. Hack says:
    @AP

    Seraphim isn’t interested in any lesson about the similarities between Sarmatism and Khazarism, but about the very virile nature of Zelensky’s piano playing abilities. This comedic skit has left an indelible imprint on Seraphim’s psyche, as he keeps bringing it up. I think that he’s ready to bust out from his cloistered environment, as he’s discovering the world of earthly infinite possibilities.


    A photo of child prodigy Seraphim playing the piano. Today, he stands in awe of president Zelensky’s abilities to “tickle the ivories”. 🙂

  357. @Ron Unz

    Scotland was already 68% double-vaxxed the time for prospective parents to conceive so that their babies would come to full term the time of data cutoff (and I consider everywhere else with this same gauge). New Zealand, only 9% yet, so the surplus could shortly turn into a deficit. Russia, 18%.

    The largest drops in the EU in this table outside of Ukraine were in countries that were very used to birth shocks in the 20th century and in the middle of their vaccine campaigns when prospective couples conceive.

    Mongolia was already 60% doubled-vaxxed and yet they recorded -20% yoy from a high Central Asian level, to the direction of (but still very far from) East Asia. Israel was at -1.6% yoy with 59% of Pfizer vaccines, despite the Haredim being heavily skeptical. And France at +2.5%, also at 60% of coverage.

    Whatever fertility effects the vaccines would have, could be much smaller than what the skeptics say, maybe on the same level as the actual COVID-19 at most (up to 25% of all forms of fertility issues), and this can be certainly overshadowed by all the economic & even social (vaccine passports!) shifts. But we should wait for a few more months of observation especially in Europe. (I’d expect a few months of recovery in the EU and then another tanking that will accelerate after 2023, which is the collateral damage of making Russia EU’s enemy, if the effects of vaccines are indeed small)

    p.s. Any demographic statistical fraud on a large scale must be done with a drawn-out nudging of numbers, e.g. how Holocaust revisionists would claim Polish demographic growth to be exaggerated before and after WWII.

  358. Mr. Hack says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    Promise it will be over in a few days, there’s a bit of acrimony still to get off my chest and then it will be done.

    Sounds to me like you’re conceding this long drawn out word fest? It was clear from the very beginning that Count AP had the upper hand and was just toying with you. 🙂

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
  359. songbird says:
    @Yellowface Anon

    What I heard is that demographic change in Alaska is pretty advanced. Likely, the state has already “flipped” in the youth cohorts, though there is no single group as big as Euros.

    In the biggest city, there is an MLK Avenue.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
  360. songbird says:

    Much as I think the people who love reptiles are creepy, the people who love chickens and ducks (and bring them into their homes and drive with them on their laps) really give me the heebie-jeebies.

    I wonder whether they just go direct to chickens and ducks, or whether there is some sort of gateway bird when growing up, like parakeets. If the Maori hadn’t killed them off, they’d probably have 500 lb, 12-foot tall moas, which would be eating their babies and swallowing them whole.

    I saw a chicken eat a mouse once, and it literally rammed the thing down its throat, after outrunning the other chickens.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
  361. @Ron Unz

    But suppose someone like AnonFromTN came along and just claimed that all the official numbers were probably fraudulent and can’t be trusted.

    As a matter of fact, I did not say that. I said that all numbers, especially those provided by known liars (i.e., governments) must be cross-checked, not taken as a gospel truth. It does not mean that they should be summarily dismissed.

    Checking and challenging info is a standard practice in science. It used to be standard practice in the legal system before the West, including the US, started blatantly violating laws for political expediency (e.g., stealing assets from Libya, Syria, Iran, Venezuela, Afghanistan, Russia, as well as Patriot Act, Guantanamo concentration camp, or travesty of justice for Jan 6 protesters, violated basic laws on the books in every Western country).

    • Replies: @Beckow
    , @Ron Unz
  362. @Emil Nikola Richard

    Also I read the betting markets have Rushi Sunak on the top of the replacements.

    Makes perfect sense in formerly great formerly Britain.

  363. songbird says:

    This movement should be encouraged. Bring them back to their roots, independence, and pride. A lot of Africa really doesn’t look so bad, minus tropical diseases and slums:

    [MORE]

    West Africa really isn’t a hellscape, for the most part, unlike other places I could name.

  364. Beckow says:
    @sudden death

    As always with these statements it is a quid-pro-quo with a big IF (“И пусть”) that you mysteriously failed to translate. He said that IF America tries to get ‘our resources’, Russia may think about doing the same in Alaska.

    You also added drama. Many Western statements can be interpreted like that and highlighted, you could find almost anything.

    Calm down, Anchorage is safe, they will be able to keep their MLK Blvd…and all that comes with it.

    • Replies: @sudden death
  365. Beckow says:
    @AnonfromTN

    ….As a matter of fact, I did not say that.

    Obviously you didn’t. It is disappointing when arguments descend into a straw-man mush. People exaggerate what one says and create an absurd straw-man they then attack.

    It is done only for one reason: they have no rational arguments. It is one of the tools of anarcho-terrorism and it leads nowhere. Maybe that’s the point.

    The drop in Western standards is visible in area after area – media, law, science, even medicine – it is a sign of weakness, insecurity, they can no longer afford a fair playing field. As insiders they have an advantage, so they increasingly use it. Like an aging casino that has no other choice but to cheat, they sell their past good name. Even the money is gradually turning into casino house money.

    But the fat London bozo is gone, so there is some slow movement back to reality.

  366. Miro23 says:
    @LondonBob

    Agreed. From that article ref. the MSM campaign and Russia sanctions:

    I cannot prove it, but I think the environment that this created may have led to the poor policy decisions. In those first few days and weeks any criticism of Western policy was regarded as being pro-Putin. People who questioned whether our policies might be wrongheaded were cast as traitors. One can only imagine the mood this created in our civil service and our decision-making bodies. It likely shuttered dissent and gave rise to a herd mentality. I believe that this is the most obvious explanation for why we undertook the suicidal sanctions policies that we did.

  367. @Beckow

    There is no “if” in that sentence, exact word by word literal translation can look like this instead:

    “And may America, when trying to manage our resources, think that we have something to take back.”

    • Replies: @Beckow
  368. songbird says:

    Was the nuclear fallout the Marshall Islanders got from US tests in the Pacific really beneficial to them, instead of harmful? Should we have charged them for it, rather than paying out US$759 million?

  369. Beckow says:
    @sudden death

    There is an If. The “И пусть” can be translated as “let America do it” or “if America does it“, or “may they do it….

    It is a clear conditional clause, that’s the way languages work, check out the rules of syntax. It is a clear quid-pro-quo: America takes our resources, we can take theirs…

    There are endless examples – almost daily – of Western politicians saying stuff like that and much worse: implied and open threats. I am puzzled you get so hot under the collar about it. Are you just pretending? Is this a game where the losing side now tries to create all kinds of fake threats to keep motivating self and the sponsors?

    Remember the adage about crying wolf one too many times…

    • Replies: @sudden death
  370. Mikel says:

    Thou shallt not let a long weekend pass without visiting nature and feeling that you’re really alive (Moses’s forgotten 11th Commandment).

    Sort of fractal shapes in the melting ice of this lake. Apparently the preferred shape of the Universe:

    Apologies to those uninterested in this sort of stuff. But I think this community would lose its character if its resident weirdos didn’t post a little about their lives from time to time.

    • Thanks: S, Barbarossa
  371. @Mikel

    Where is this beauty?

    • Replies: @Mikel
  372. @Mikel

    What part of Utah? I was in Zion and Bryce Canyon, but this does not look like either.

    • Replies: @Mikel
  373. @Bumpkin

    People are not necessarily as stupid as their comments sound. It’s just the more biased you are, the stupider you look.

  374. @Mikel

    Terrific photos.

    Small correction on 11th commandment;
    Thou shalt not get caught.

    Did you make it up above the timberline?

    • Replies: @Mikel
  375. Matra says:

    Speaking of excess deaths, there has been a dramatic surge in such deaths in Australia, the UK, and a few other European countries in recent months. Office for National Statistics

    The mystery of Britain’s surging at-home deaths

  376. A123 says: • Website
    @Bumpkin

    Manda-Vaxxers ignore the science. Key characteristics:

        • Near religious reverence for experimental vaccines
        • Total faith in BigPharma, despite known corruption such as Vioxx
        • Advocate authoritarian force “for the greater good”

    There is *NO* science behind use of experimental vaccines on healthy children. Because they cannot win on the facts, Manda-Vaxx extremists are forced to lash out with terms like “Flu Hoaxer”.

    Manda-Vaxx is yet another example of Leftoid, Emotion Based, “Cancel Culture”.

    PEACE 😇

     

    • Agree: Bumpkin
  377. @Wokechoke

    Hindu Coup…

    Last time I checked, Pakis were Muslims, not Hindus. They slaughtered lots of Hindus after partition and drove away to India the lucky survivors.

    • Replies: @songbird
  378. @Beckow

    There is an exact word for “if” in Russian language – “eсли” and it was not used in that statement.

    • Replies: @sudden death
  379. @Mr. Hack

    Sounds to me like you’re conceding this long drawn out word fest? It was clear from the very beginning that Count AP had the upper hand and was just toying with you.

    Pull your tongue out of his asshole, when you are talking to me.

    He ain’t no count, he’s a narcissist with bad manners and a disgusting character. He is a liar, a man without conscience and on top of this, he is stupid.

    You haven’t read the thread.

    You couldn’t have said he had the upper hand if you have read it. Or else you see it all upside down, the same as he does.

    • LOL: Mr. Hack
  380. Sean says:

    Most people seem to implicitly think it leaked from the Wuhan lab, which of course is the account that makes most sense after it being from nature.

    Those two possibilities are not mutually exclusive. A lion escaping from the zoo and killing people would barely have had to be deliberately bred and trained for doing that, because that is the sort of thing lions naturally will do given a chance. Viruses can escape from labs inside humans; so it happens more often than big cats break out and chew up their captor species.

  381. Mikel says:
    @AnonfromTN

    These mountains are part of the Wasatch Range, in Northern Utah.

  382. Mikel says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Small correction on 11th commandment;
    Thou shalt not get caught.

    Thanks for the correction. But perhaps my Commandment could safely replace the 10th. I think most people would agree that it’s not very logical to forbid what wishes we may have, rather than what actions we may take upon those wishes. That 10th Commandment has always been problematic.

    Did you make it up above the timberline?

    Yes, I took the first picture from an 11k ft peak, right above the timberline, although you could still see some stunted firs close by.

  383. @Ron Unz

    Zero-Covid is inflicting devastating public confidence damage on Xi, and censorship is at levels unseen since Mao.

    The most plausible explanation I’ve seen is an internal power consolidation ahead of the 20th Congress. Ten years ago, before the 18th Congress, Xi’s main rival, the suave English-speaking Bo Xilai got “Zero-Covided”.

    The same kind of thing as Cultural Revolution (and many incidents before), no natural disasters, no intra-ethnic strife, no external enemies, just China being China.

    That and of course perhaps its a drill before Taiwan. Xi’s not especially articulate in front of reporters, and as you know “Xi Jinping Thought” is really “Wang Huning Thought”. But he’s determined to play the part of Martial Emperor.

    • Thanks: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
  384. @S

    Today is the 85th anniversary of Marco Polo Bridge Incident, marked in the PRC as the start of Japanese Invasion of China, and by PRC historians as start of WWII.

    Like in Battle of Shanghai, the incident was partly if not mostly instigated by the Chinese. What is certain is the KMT Chinese soldiers who fought in it, were betrayed later by the CCP, who continues claim most of the credit for the war against Japan.

    (To an extent they are also betrayed by ROC-Taiwan, who is disavowing their mainland heritage)

    This isn’t necessarily my view, there are Chinese who question whether the war should have been fought to begin with– Japan wanted to turn China into a vassal, but China by 1949 became a vassal anyways, of the Soviet Union.

    Fast forward today Japan has 3 times the GDP of Russia, has not had a violent revolution Post-War (or ever), and despite being Globohomo’s bitch, said no to gay marriage and Syrian “refugees”. The pandemic is over in Japan whereas PRC risks turning into open-air penitentiary.

    • Thanks: S
  385. AP says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    This lad AP dragged me into this long polemic, insulting me and baiting me,

    You are an apologist for the genocidal Bolshevik regime and excuse-maker for Stalin. You are by definition a disgusting person.

    posting disrespectful comments about my grandparents and my life

    You admitted that you are descended from a Soviet officer who was arresting people during the time of the Red Terror (which ended in 1922). You claimed it was just tax evasion. But you claim that he was not killing people, just arresting them.

    You have disgusting ancestors, by your admission.

    People are not guilty for their ancestors’ crimes, but since you defend that government you have not risen above their filth.

    In addition to being a grotesque child of grotesque people, you are also stupid. As you prove repeatedly, with each post.

    Here it is, in the head – 625, 125 larger than 500, so 125 x 0.15, is 1,250 + 625 = 1875 : 100, i.e. 18.75, + 100 is 118.75 – in the head, ten seconds.

    Sharikov admitted that he had to use an inefficient method that took several more steps to get to the virtually same answer I did – 118.

    The question is if the nonverbal parts were repeated, with different norms, then who said that verbal parts had to be constructed in each language with various difficulties. An obvious solution is to maintain the same principle and level of difficulties across all the questions, in every part, and then apply the norms to all of them at once.

    Each part has its own norms, there is no need for them to “match” in terms of level of difficulty. Since the verbal parts are constructed for each population, it is done in a way that matches that population’s capacity for difficult or easy questions.

    The amount of easy normal and diffiult questions is the same in all versions of the test, while some of the items may be moved replaced or modified the level of difficulty of the test in the end is the same for all countries – it isn’t more difficult for the Chinese than it is for the Americans, it’s exactly the same for them.

    On the Wechsler tests the verbal sections are calibrated for Chinese and Americans in such a way that they equally difficult for the Chinese and the Americans when each takes their own version of the test. But if the Chinese are smarter than the Chinese version would be harder for the Americans.

    This is why the verbal parts of the Wechsler aren’t used when trying to compare IQs between different nations. Instead they use PISA (which are direct translations) or Raven’s, or sometimes just the nonverbal parts of the Wechsler which are identical. The latter two have identical items but different norms within each nation, so one can use, say the British norm to formulate a “British IQ”.

    you backward asshole…shameless Ukrainian lying pig. A sick in the head son of a bitch, stupid troll

    You earlier claimed that “throwing poo” meant you were wrong.

    I’ll take you at your word, Sharikov.

    You get the scores with the same Greenwich set of norms chosen in his case as the British mean score of 100 and the corresponding set of coefficients.

    Once he got the British scores for various countries, he could then calculate the coefficient needed for a given country, based on the deviation of the British score in that very country from the mean of normal distribution score, i.e. 100.

    You didn’t read what you posted:

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/24000312_National_IQ_Means_Calibrated_and_Transformed_from_Educational_Attainment_and_Their_Underlying_Gene_Frequencies

    The Wechsler test was avoided for this, they used either PISA or Raven’s Progressive Matrices. Why? As I explained to you, the Wechsler verbal parts aren’t comparable between countries because the items are different and don’t match level of difficulty.

    A population of smart people will have the same easy items, medium items, and difficult items as those for a less smart population. But the smart population will answer more questions and get the higher scores, and then the scores will be normalized with a mathematical coefficient.

    On the verbal parts of the Wechsler, the smart population will have more difficult items and will thus have the same score as the dumb population. So a word that for Americans is difficult might be easy for Germans.

    You then made a long “example” that ended up being useless because as usual you based it on a false premise:

    Then if we want to find out what the average score in China is, we give the Chinese people the very same test

    Impossible for verbal portions of the WAIS, because the Chinese speak a different language, have different historical and literary contexts, etc. Items will be chosen that correspond to the Chinese reality and we have no way of knowing how they directly compare to English items on those sections. I have already posted an article about the German version of the Wechsler – it was not just translations of the same words, they used different ones, or moved the order of the words to correspond to different difficulty levels. It was not “the very same test.”

    How do they know which words to use and in what order to place them? They choose them in such a way the test for Germans is about as hard as the English test is for English people (that is, each one does as well in their language).

    This is why when different language versions of the Wechsler are created there is a very complex process involved when the verbal subtests are created, they aren’t just directly translating from the English version and re-norming them.

    Maybe now you will understand and claim in a future post that you figured it out.

    The rest of your example was just illustrating how PISA or Progressive’s Matrices can be applied across countries. Congratulations on finally figuring out what I had been writing about several posts ago, about that. Sharikov is slow but Sharikov can learn, eventually. IQ 95?

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  386. @Sean

    “I am sure America wanted Ukraine to compromise and settle the conflict. “

    No, they wanted this war to drive Germany away from dependence on Russian energy – look at the efforts to stop NS2 – and when Russia’s initial coup de main failed, they had (and still have AFAIK) the thought “Ukraine can be used to weaken Russia in blood and treasure just as we did with Afghanistan, and there’s an outside chance they could win and Russia will collapse“.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfowitz_Doctrine

    Our first objective is to prevent the re-emergence of a new rival, either on the territory of the former Soviet Union or elsewhere, that poses a threat on the order of that posed formerly by the Soviet Union. This is a dominant consideration underlying the new regional defense strategy and requires that we endeavor to prevent any hostile power from dominating a region whose resources would, under consolidated control, be sufficient to generate global power.

    The US have never forgiven Russia for intervening in their plans to trash Syria.

    Short-term this war is nothing but gain for the US State Department (not for the American people, but when did they last count?) – Europe raising arms expenditure, most of which will go on US weapons, new US bases in the Baltic, US energy sales to Europe, Russian/German axis sundered.

    In the long term it’s a huge strategic mistake to drive Russia into the arms of China – but then it was a huge strategic mistake to shut down the factories and send industry to a country with a billion high-IQ people. US elites no longer care about the American people.

    America will fight Russia to the last Ukrainian.

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    , @AnonfromTN
  387. @Emil Nikola Richard

    Rishi’s star has waned somewhat following the revelation that his billionaire heiress wife wasn’t paying any UK tax.

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  388. AP says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    “Lol, no it means that 40% of variance from the mean at midlife was accounted for purely by general cognitive ability at age 20 and less then 1% by other factors such as further education.”

    Really, logically – if that’s true – than 40% of variance was accounted for general cognitive ability at age 20, and the other 60% of variance?

    I repeated what the article stated. Can’t you read?

    The other 60% is not further education, as the article made clear.

    With your logic a mathematician like Perelman could have solved that theorem at the age of 20 or 22, because his intelligence was the same then as later in life. Or a composer like Wagner could have created Parsifal at the age of 20, perhaps 22 – he had what it takes back then.

    You have been discussing intelligence for several posts and don’t even know what it means, lol.

    How stupid can you be?

    This is almost as much of a failure as when you argued about heritability without even knowing what it was (it is by definition genetic). Why didn’t you mention that again? Embarrassed?

    https://study.com/learn/lesson/adult-creativity-intelligence.html

    Intelligence – ” intelligence is understood as the ability to understand and adapt to the environment by using inherited abilities and learned knowledge”

    Has Perelman’s ability to understand and adapt to the environment by using inherited abilities and learned knowledge?

    Probably not much. He was as brilliant later in life as he was at age 20, his ability is much the same, he has just been accumulating knowledge.

    Your examples of Mozart, etc. just highlight your failure to understand even the basics of what you are talking about.

    Here, we present convergent evidence from 48,537 online participants and a comprehensive analysis of normative data from standardized IQ and memory tests. Our results reveal considerable heterogeneity in when cognitive abilities peak: Some abilities peak and begin to decline around high school graduation; some abilities plateau in early adulthood, beginning to decline in subjects’ 30s; and still others do not peak until subjects reach their 40s or later.

    Indeed. Some areas decline, others advance, overall it doesn’t change much throughout life.

    See the graphic chart.
    https://postimg.cc/PLFtRhvp

    Verbal intelligence, general knowledge, comprehension and mathematical thinking are peaking between the age of 45 and 55.

    Nice example of lying by omission.

    12 other abilities peak in the teens and twenties.

    You cherry pick the specific areas that advance, and think that you have won the argument. Your own source contradicts you.

    Children were tested from age five to fourteen, and had scores that averaged 115. From age six they were tested with the WAIS test for children.

    What does this remark that scores at age 4-6 are unreliable have to do with it?

    If you weren’t so dumb you would understand.

    It means that a low score at age 4-6 doesn’t mean much becasue at that age IQ scores are not as reliable.

    “This [the Russian people are the most educated] means that on average their people with higher education are dumber then those of European countries where access to higher education is more selective.”

    Their people are a lot smarter than your people. The Ukrainians have the IQ of 90, and that’s probably your own IQ as well.

    Lol, you change the subject.

    Russian university on average are a lot dumber than Western ones because Russian universities are less selective – in Russia 54% of the population has a tertiary education.

    This is reflected in university rankings – Russian universities are low ranked. The best ones, like MGU, are barely even in the top 100 in the world (it is ranked 97). So in Russia a lot of mediocre people study in a lot of mediocre universities. Something to be proud of.

    The Chinese are neutral:

    https://www.shanghairanking.com/rankings/arwu/2021

    10 of top 12 in USA.

    Average IQ by Country 2022
    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/average-iq-by-country

    Same chart has Russians at 96. You agree?

    You stupidly didn’t know what a major was, and now you “throw poo” at America because you were caught being stupid as usual.

    Not knowing the specifics of American terminology doesn’t make anybody stupid,

    Not knowing and arguing about it makes it stupid.

    Access to higher education is least selective in the most intelligent countries. On the top ten list there are two European countries – Finland with IQ 101.2 and Germany with 100.7, in both countries higher education is free and there are no entrance examinations – anybody can get in.

    You claim that Germans do not take an Abitur exam and that entrance isn’t selective based in grades and performance on that exam?

    What a stupid liar you are.

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  389. songbird says:
    @AnonfromTN

    Aren’t there a lot of both of them in the Tory Party?

    Pity that gay Indian is no longer in charge in Ireland. Would be an interesting signal if both islands were ruled by Indians.

    I heard that after Sunak resigned as Exchequer, BoJo appointed another Indian to take his place. Who turned against him within like 24 hours.

  390. songbird says:

    If the Belgians hadn’t left the Congo due the propagation of a black legend against them, then I suppose they would have probably dammed Inga Falls, and harnessed all that incredible hydropower.

  391. A123 says: • Website
    @YetAnotherAnon

    “I am sure America wanted Ukraine to compromise and settle the conflict. “

    Not-The-President Biden and his family have been bribed. Between the number of competing bagmen and his rapid mental decline, the current American regime is incapable of wanting anything. The are lucky to go 24 hours without a major, incoherent gaffe.

    No, they wanted this war to drive Germany away from dependence on Russian energy — look at the efforts to stop NS2

    The German Green Party killed NS2 (1)

    Annalena Baerbock, co-leader of Alliance 90/The Greens, who was nominated by the party for the German Chancellor, argues that Russia should be treated with toughness and dialogue, and considers it necessary to stop the Nord Stream 2 project.

    “Sanctions against Russia should remain in force,” she said. Nord Stream 2 should not be completed,” the chancellor’s candidate also said. The Alliance 90/The Greens leader called the pipeline “a central geostrategic issue and accused the German government of supporting the project in a policy of double standards.” On the one hand, they are talking about supporting EU sanctions, on the other hand, the German government supports Nord Stream 2, which just undermines these sanctions,” Baerbock explained her position.

    If Europe is to survive, it must accurately identify the threat from Brussels and Berlin Elites. The European WEF wants a perpetual quagmire in Ukraine so MENA origin migrants can use forged Ukrainian identity documents to continue invading the EU.

    When will Europe stand up against the Merkel/Scholz “Welcome Rape-ugees” invasion?

    America will fight Russia to the last Ukrainian.

    ROTFL

    America does not care about Ukraine. Look at the polling I posted not long ago (2)

    Monmouth Poll Compiles Top 22 Priorities of American People, Ukraine v Russia and J6 Committee Outcome Does Not Appear on List

    The results show the top priorities of Americans and the disconnect between the priorities of congress and the American people are stark. Nowhere on the expressed concerns did anyone identify supporting Ukraine or the Russia -v- Ukraine conflict, as a priority

    The midterms will place MAGA in control of House Appropriations. Much less will be spent securing Ukraine’s borders and much more will go to protecting America’s borders.

    The European nations will have to pick up the slack, or allow the Kiev regime to fall. The latter seems more likely.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://uawire.org/german-green-party-leader-demands-that-nord-stream-2-be-stopped

    (2) https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-192/#comment-5429129

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  392. @YetAnotherAnon

    America will fight Russia to the last Ukrainian.

    That’s the imperial idea. The imperial elites don’t care about the loss of aborigines’ lives. Colonial powers never did. Smarter Ukrainians understand that, dumber ones (including some commenters here) don’t. Basically, the length of this war will be directly proportional to the stupidity of Ukrainian population. As Einstein once said, “only two things are infinite, the Universe and human stupidity, and I’m not sure about the Universe”.

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  393. @A123

    So the Senate will vote for something like what the House passes and then Biden will sign rather than veto the bill. Really?

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  394. Seraphim says:
    @AP

    It’s pretty much what I said. ‘Ukrainians’ are ‘Little Poles’ (Khazars and Sarmats are quite the same, not Slavs) and they would be reabsorbed into Poland once their dreams of the ”big new ‘Intermarium’ Israel”, the ‘Antemurale’ against Gog from Magog, will be quashed.

    • Replies: @AP
  395. Sean says:
    @Beckow

    In some ways it resembles WWI – also a war that was started reluctantly over issues that didn’t require a war, but once started and escalated nobody knew how to stop it.

    In 1906, Admiral Fisher, Britain’s chief of naval operations told Edward VII that a war would be started by Germany in 1914 when the Kiel ship canal would be improved to be able to take battleships between the Baltic and the North Sea. On June 14th 1914 newspapers reported the ceremony opening the canal to accommodate the largest naval vessels. The Germans waited until August to start the war admittedly .

    Another similarity could be that WWI completely reshuffled the world: new powers emerged, new ways of running a society, a conscious abandonment of the pre-WWI world. Nothing was ever the same – a person who lived in 1650 or even 1400 could recognize Europe of 1914 – it would be vaguely familiar with societies that grew organically for 400-500 years. But by 1920 everything was different: states, forms of government, people’s attitudes…

    Germany was fighting almost exactly the same powers in WW2 as it had in WW1, and Hitler inherited Gustav Stresemann’s various preparations to fight another war. Had he lived, Stresemann would have at least threatened to use the German army.

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  396. AP says:
    @Seraphim

    It’s pretty much what I said. ‘Ukrainians’ are ‘Little Poles’ (Khazars and Sarmats are quite the same, not Slavs)

    Ukrainians, like Poles, are Slavs – they are as Slavic as Southern Russians, and all three of those are more Slavic than northern Russians who are mixed with Finnic people. Sarmatism was just a fantasy, and Khazarism just means that Ukrainians shared the same fantasy with their Polish brothers. How could they not, these peoples were linked for centuries and saw the world in a similar way.

    Muscovites meanwhile have the fantasy that they are the same people as 11th century Rus.

    Razib Khan had an interesting article about the genetics of these peoples. The chart from the article:

    Poles, Ukrainians, and many Russians overlap and are very close, but many Russians also veer in the direction of Finns, and a small number cluster with Tatars.

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  397. @Bumpkin

    If someone doesn’t even believe the excess death numbers then they are a flu hoaxxer for all intents and purposes. One can put lipstick on a pig but it’s still a pig.

    • Agree: Ron Unz
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  398. A123 says: • Website
    @RadicalCenter

    So the Senate will vote for something like what the House passes and then Biden will sign rather than veto the bill. Really?

    The Senate will improve with the midterms, but still have problematic members. There is a 50/50 chance that Mitch McConnell will not be Majority Leader.

    Will the Senate make House bills worse? Probably. However, they will be vastly better than anything the current Congress is turning out.
    ___

    You think Not-The-President Biden will unilaterally impose a Government Shutdown by vetoing funding?

    Really????

    That sort of brinkmanship is chancy during good economic times. A unilateral DNC shutdown during a recession is virtually inconceivable.

    Outside of a few NeoConDemocrats, America has no interest in Ukraine. Providing funding is a favor to European WEF Elites. The bulk of elected Democrat office holders will not risk their seats for Zelensky.

    PEACE 😇

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  399. A123 says: • Website

    More evidence for the giant chasm between real U.S. citizens and fringe Zelensky supporters. The Leftoid proudly displaying 🇺🇦 is triggered by patriotic Americans displaying this 🇺🇸.

    PEACE 😇

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    , @Mr. Hack
  400. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    That and of course perhaps its a drill before Taiwan.

    Zero COVID is mainly an exercise in setting up deep institutions for maintaining domestic security (維穩), but as someone else and I said, the lockdown in Shanghai might be signaling foreign investors to leave before both CCP and Western governments see fit to confiscate assets that end up on the wrong side of the conflict.