Talk:Point Loma, San Diego

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Footnotes[edit]

This has become a robust article!

Small point I noticed - many of the footnote lables say "San Diego Union." They should probably say something like "Religious festival, San Diego Union." Not really sure. Also, if they don't, they should have retrieval date on them, so when link rots, they can somehow be retrieved. I don't know how! (just noticed a large list of mine in another article - they all say, helpfully, "website." ! :) Student7 (talk) 22:24, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress[edit]

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Otay Mesa, San Diego, California which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RM bot 20:00, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress[edit]

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Otay Mesa, San Diego which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RM bot 23:00, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

About that location map...[edit]

I didn't notice this when the map was added, but the pushpin gives a false impression. It makes it look as if only the very tip of the peninsula, way down in Cabrillo Monument, is Point Loma. But actually the whole peninsula is Point Loma geographically and is the Point Loma neighborhood of San Diego. What would you all think about simply removing the pushpin? It would be an improvement to move it higher on the Peninsula - say about halfway to the river - but that still gives a false impression of the location and extent of the area, which is much bigger than any pushpin. I suspect that no pushpin can identify the area properly. Thoughts? --MelanieN (talk) 05:26, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

I agree. I'd take out the pushpin, or move it at a minimum. Dohn joe (talk) 21:39, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
Yes, the pushpin is much too small for a map with this large of a scale. Would it be possible to shade the map instead? Other options would either be to zoom the map in so that it only shows Point Loma and not the surroundings (thus needing no pushpin) or to zoom it out so that Point Loma would be closer to pushpin-sized. Princess Lirin (talk) 23:31, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
What would you all think about deleting the pushpin and keeping the map - while we discuss it- since nobody seems to like the current pushpin location? Does anyone know how to do that? --MelanieN (talk) 04:52, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
I asked for help at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Maps. --MelanieN (talk) 05:40, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
Pushpin removed, best solution probably to get the image that is currently used, copy it, shade the 'correct' region (that may need a cite note) and upload that file, then point to that file instead of the one currently being used. Good luck EdwardLane (talk) 10:22, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
Thank you, that was fast! --MelanieN (talk) 13:24, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

─────────────────────────A map is definitely needed. I added one to the infobox but it isn't great (partly because the landforms are seen from an angle, and partly just my poor arrow drawing). Can anybody replace it with a good one? -SusanLesch (talk) 17:54, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Good article?[edit]

I am thinking about nominating this for Good Article status. (I was just going through and citing the references better.) What do the rest of you that monitor this article think about that idea? --MelanieN (talk) 16:14, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

I notice that it is only rated "B class" right now. Do we have to get it raised to "A class" before they will even consider it for GA? --MelanieN (talk) 16:15, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
You can go for GA first (and do A after that and a peer review if you want). Good luck, Melanie. -SusanLesch (talk) 16:47, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
I have no idea how the GA and rating systems work or interplay, but I'm all in favor of going for GA here. Good luck, and let me know if I can help. Dohn joe (talk) 18:30, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
OK, thanks for the support. I have nominated it. I understand there is a reviewing backlog, but at some point a reviewer will create a review page and start to evaluate it. They will probably have suggestions for improving the article; whoever sees it first, go for it! In the meantime, folks, please look over the article yourselves; there are always things that need to be added or cited or cleaned up. --MelanieN (talk) 23:32, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Periodically, I glance at new nominees, and I happened to come across this one. You have way too many unsourced paragraphs here, and at least one unsourced section. That will never fly at a GA review, and if someone picked up this article now, it would be quick failed I'm sure. I suggest you improve the referencing before its reviewed. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:55, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip. --MelanieN (talk) 00:06, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Woohoo, we passed! --MelanieN (talk) 03:34, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Point Loma, San Diego/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Mdann52 (talk · contribs) 13:32, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:

Clear pass - well done with this article. Promoted to GA rating - Mdann52 (talk) 13:32, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Neighborhoods and History[edit]

Very good discussion of local neighborhoods within the Point Loma area, and the article cites the Peninsula Community Plan; however, the article doesn't provide as good geographic descriptions that are in the community plan or all the neighborhoods that are listed in the plan. I believe it would benefit the article while still retaining brevity by including additional details from the plan. The plan also provides good background and history that could also be merged with the current discussion. Finally, the map in the article, while good, is misleading as it places Loma Portal neighborhood in the Midway district; the community plan map while dated and not as good looking is more accurate. Below is relivent sections from the plan that should be better incorporated into the article; not included is the former NTC, while listed in the community plan it is now redeveloped as envisioned into Liberty Station. Link: https://www.sandiego.gov/sites/default/files/legacy/planning/community/profiles/peninsula/pdf/pcpfullversion.pdf

Neighborhoods

La Playa is located generally south of Talbot, between Gage Road and the bay. La Playa is characterized by large single-family homes of various ages and architectural styles, including colonial, Spanish and contemporary designs. A number of large estates exist along the bay and to the west above Rosecrans. In addition, La Playa contains several large apartment and condominium developments in the area south of McCall Street. This neighborhood is heavily vegetated with a variety of large trees and shrubs that add to the beauty and exclusiveness of the area. Views from the hillside above Rosecrans are provided to San Diego Bay and downtown. Kellogg Beach is a smaller sub-neighborhood within La Playa, located along the bayside south of Qualtrough Street.

The "Wooded Area" is located south of Talbot Catalina and Gage. This neighborhood, which characterized by large lots, is exclusively developed with single-family homes of varying ages and styles. A substantial number of large eucalyptus and evergreen trees, in conjunction with many narrow and, in some cases, unpaved roads add a rural atmosphere to this area. The relatively small south-central Peninsula neighborhood commercial center is included in this neighborhood.

The Sunset Cliffs neighborhood is located south of Point Loma Avenue, between Catalina Boulevard and the ocean. This area is exclusively devoted to single-family homes, most of which are one- and two-story structures with relatively contemporary architectural styles. Portions of several streets are lined with palm trees. Point Loma Nazarene College and the Sunset Cliffs Shoreline Park are also included in this neighborhood.

The Fleetridge neighborhood is north of La Playa, generally between Talbot, Chatsworth, Clove and Valemont and Albion. Most of Fleetridge was developed in the 1950s and consists primarily of one-story, single-family dwellings with cedar shake roofs on lots of varying sizes. In general, lots are larger in Fleetridge than in other post war Peninsula housing tracts.

Roseville consists of the Roseville commercial district and adjacent single and multifamily development east of the Fleetridge subdivision, between Nimitz and Hill. The commercial area is located along and east of Rosecrans. Most development is one- and two-stories, with a few taller hotels and office buildings northern Roseville area. Interspersed within this commercial area are a number of apartments, a large condominium complex and smaller one- story, single-family homes. A lack of landscaping and sign control creates a distractive atmosphere. Immediately west of Rosecrans is a mixed single and multifamily residential area. The area west of Evergreen is exclusively single-family. The entire village area has a street tree planting program.

Loma Portal extends north of "The Village," east of Worden and north to the plan boundary. This neighborhood is one of the older areas of the Peninsula and, as such, is characterized by substantial amounts of landscaping, small winding concrete streets and old street lights, many of which are located in the middle of street intersections. Many of the homes have Spanish styling, pastel colored stucco siding and red tile roofs. Included within Loma Portal is the Point Loma High School and the neighborhood commercial district along Voltaire Street.

The Loma Palisades neighborhood extends west of Loma Portal to the intersection of West Point Loma Boulevard and Famosa Boulevard, including the area north of West Point Loma Boulevard. This area is characterized almost exclusively by multifamily apartment development, generally two, three and four stories with no particular design theme. Developments vary in overall landscaping and design quality. The commercial area along West Point Loma Boulevard is located within this neighborhood.

Loma Alta is bounded by West Point Loma Boulevard Famosa Boulevard and Valeta Street. This area contains a mix of single-family and small scale multifamily housing. Some of the older housing is in need of repair. In recent years there has been increasing pressure to replace the single-family housing with higher density residential development which is permitted by the existing multifamily zoning in this area.

Ocean Beach Highlands extends east of Ocean Beach between Froude, Nimitz, Catalina and Point Loma Avenue. This neighborhood consists of single- and multifamily structures, many of which predate World War II. The streets are generally quite wide and there are a number of large trees scattered throughout the neighborhood. Since this area slopes westward to Ocean Beach, there is a strong visual association between this neighborhood and the Ocean Beach community. The Voltaire Street commercial district is included in this area and is characterized by a general lack of sign control and landscaping.

Point Loma Highlands is located in the center of Peninsula, at the crest of the hill running north-south through the Peninsula. This single-family neighborhood is bounded by Catalina, Chatsworth and Nimitz. Generally, this area is well landscaped and maintained, with no particularly distinctive features.

History

The history of European discovery and settlement in California began 1542 when Juan Cabrillo landed at the tip of the Point Loma Peninsula. The La Playa area along San Diego was a center for some of the earliest economic activities in California during the period of Spanish and Mexican rule. These included fishing, rendering of whale blubber, the hide and tallow industry and shipping. The La Playa Trail, now known as Rosecrans Street is the oldest commercial thoroughfare in California. For nearly 200 years the Peninsula has been the site of military bases and installations. The first of these was a Spanish Fort, “Castillo Guijarros,” which was built on Ballast Point. Later Fort Rosecrans, an army facility, was built. Gradually, the area became a major center of naval and coast guard facilities. In 1869 the Roseville settlement, an ambitious real estate venture, was begun to the north of the original settlement at La Playa. Roseville developed very slowly as a commercial area and La Playa gradually ceased to be a major commercial center due to its isolated position. Since 1900, Peninsula has developed as a residential area and place of leisure activities for San Diegans. The military facilities have continued to operate throughout this period. Early in the century Ocean Beach experienced a boom as a beach community with a major amusement park constructed in 1913. Completion of trolley lines caused a boom in residential development throughout Roseville, Loma Portal and Ocean Beach after 1910. The most rapid residential growth in the Peninsula occurred in the 1940-1960 period when most buildable land was subdivided into single- family residential lots. Since 1965, multifamily development has filled in most of the remaining vacant land outside the naval lands. Shelter Island has become a major recreational center in recent years and with the development of Mission Bay Park the greater Peninsula area has attained an important role as a visitor destination. Some twenty motels are found in the area — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.13.60.26 (talk) 02:08, 18 July 2016 (UTC)