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Although interesting, I discount GM 'sensing' someone behind the bedroom door. It wasn't in his statements at the time. We can psychologically convince ourselves of many things after the event, if it fits our own narrative of what may have happened.
The abductor, could have been hiding somewhere else though, in the kitchen, in the bedroom, he may have been trying to find valuables first? It was dark in those rooms so it was possible.
 
NCanning said:
I'm getting v confused re the Tanner and Smith sightings, as to which sighting was by whom? I've googled and it still isn't totally clear who saw what.

I've just read this, re Smith seeing GM walking down the plane steps. The description doesn't match the way the man in the sketch was carrying the girl.
Or is the sketch (The one with the beige trousers and brown jacket) from the Tanner sighting??
"The father, Martin Smith, is shocked. He recognises the way the man turns his head down and the way the child is being held against the shoulder."
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Tanner saw the man walking along the road away from the Mccanns apartment direction.This was on her way to check her kids. The child was wearing pejamas.
The Smith sighting was somewhere else away from the resort.
 
NCanning said:
I'm getting v confused re the Tanner and Smith sightings, as to which sighting was by whom? I've googled and it still isn't totally clear who saw what.

I've just read this, re Smith seeing GM walking down the plane steps. The description doesn't match the way the man in the sketch was carrying the girl.
Or is the sketch (The one with the beige trousers and brown jacket) from the Tanner sighting??
"The father, Martin Smith, is shocked. He recognises the way the man turns his head down and the way the child is being held against the shoulder."
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Tanner saw the man walking along the road away from the Mccanns apartment direction.This was on her way to check her kids. The child was wearing pejamas.
The Smith sighting was somewhere else away from the resort.
 
Dlk79 said:
If it was a planned abduction, either in the Ocean club car park or somewhere along that road but towards the Murat's residence would be my guess. If you consider the possible escape routes, those are the ones that carry the least amount of risk of being seen.

You'd think he wouldn't have gone down the road going past the Tapas, way too risky. Similarly with going in the direction of the Smith sighting. You'd have to walk past the entire block of apartments in the Ocean club where anybody could be coming out of their front door at any minute and then across a main road.

I just can't fathom someone walking street after street carrying a kidnapped child which is why I think he must have had somewhere close by to get to.
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i agree, carefully planning an abduction but then carrying the abducted child around the streets are also contradictory to me. especially if you have access to 2 cars.

problem with both of the vehicles named so far. they are very distinctive.
 
LittleRose said:
Blundering German police 'TOLD Madeleine McCann suspect he was going to be investigated' | Daily Mail Online

If true about CB being informed of the investigation in 2013, it’s a shame. He very well could have destroyed evidence.

Also, it’s interesting that he was dating/courting much older women. Maybe he wanted to be adored by many people and got more attention from older women. He may have believed older women were much less likely to leave him for another. In some ways, it sounds like he was very insecure and desperate. Or he may have believed he could have his cake and eat it too. Maybe he could get an older wealthy woman to marry him and cheat on the side as he pleased. I have a hard time believing that a pedophile was actually physically attracted to older women.
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He was incapable of mature, equal relationships. So he would abuse younger girls that he could control and mature women that would not expect much from him. But he was also out to make money wherever he could, so would have seen older, financially-independent women as potential "marks" I believe.
 
Owlpellet said:
I find it hard to believe he wouldn't have headed out of the window when GM came in, at least when he heard him going into toilet. Possibly lowered the blind a bit under the noise of cistern. People who prey on the vulnerable tend not to face up to someone their own size, in my experience. But I could see him waiting to see what happened next and whether it was safe to go back in. Unless of course, he already had the gun and that gave him confidence. I think there would definitely have been room behind the door, so long as he splayed his feet a bit. But my money would be on him coming in/back in after Gerry had left. Then he could have seen him talking outside and gone out whichever entrance was best.
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Possibly but there is a child's bed directly under the window, nothing on there was found to make it look like a man had stepped on it. Windows closed and shutters down 'tight' on one of the other parents checks afterwards IIRC.
 
sleuth-d- said:
i agree, carefully planning an abduction but then carrying the abducted child around the streets are also contradictory to me. especially if you have access to 2 cars.

problem with both of the vehicles named so far. they are very distinctive.
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Yes, I'd have thought he'd have had a nondescript old banger for taking on "jobs".
 
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Armchair_Defective said:
Possibly but there is a child's bed directly under the window, nothing on there was found to make it look like a man had stepped on it. Windows closed and shutters down 'tight' on one of the other parents checks afterwards IIRC.
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The bed doesn't extend all the way under the window he'd have come through. Easy to avoid it or, if he stood on the very bottom edge, not sure what evidence would be left.

ETA And coming through windows was a bit of a speciality for him.
 
peanutJelly said:
Yes I keep coming back to that sighting. My current thinking is that more than one people were involved. These were people with shared preferences who either spotted an opportunity for themselves or took Madeline for others (or both)

The confession later on was that CB took her, doesn’t mean it was for himself. And then the later Skype messages are about him wanting to take someone for himself. CB was quite young when he moved to Portugal, but with his history would have quickly found similar friends (or moved there to be with them as he knew them already). The other disappearances/rapes may therefore be linked, but doesn’t mean it was all CB?
Just my current theory based on what info has been released to date.
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two people would certainly have solved a couple of potential issues with an abduction.
• keeping an eye on the tapas 9 as you are breaking in - becomes; one person as look-out; one person breaking in.
• how to get an unwilling child into a car, and how to drive a car containing an unwilling child - becomes; one to move the car to the car park; one to hold the child, once the child is in the car.
 
sleuth-d- said:
two people would certainly have solved a couple of potential issues with an abduction.
• keeping an eye on the tapas 9 as you are breaking in - becomes; one person as look-out; one person breaking in.
• how to get an unwilling child into a car, and how to drive a car containing an unwilling child - becomes; one to move the car to the car park; one to hold the child, once the child is in the car.
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Yes and one to pass the child through the window it would have just be far too cumbersome for one person in my opinion, the window opened to 47cm, was 1m off the ground - that's very awkward.


P.J. POLICE FILES: PHOTOGRAPHIC REPORTS FROM 5A
 
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Having the car further down the road would have eliminated a potential witness saying that they saw someone get into a car carrying what looked like a child near to the apartment.
If they planned this well, they would have known that people were in the habit of carrying their children home from the night creche.
I don't believe it was opportunistic - too much at stake. imo
 
Kiranerys said:
I have read further down that he was questioned at the time too so maybe he kept the clothing just in case I guess,although if he was spoken to at the time he would've already confirmed it was him so I dont see why that wasn't discounted straight away.
I dont think SY gave him the clothes to wear,the article says that he produced the clothes to prove it was him,which is what seemed odd to me but nothing in this case makes any sense really!.
The other issue is I think we have to accept that maybe the group aren't telling the whole truth re the frequency and timing of the checks,its easy to get distracted during conversation etc and suddenly more time has passed than you thought,I do it all the time (usually on here lol).
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an example of accuracy/inaccuracy of accessing time can be seen when checking the witness statements against the cctv footage of the beach restaurant. the cctv footage is one of the few verifiable 'facts' in this case.
to me this shows different people judge time differently. and how accurate they are with it. not sinister, just how different people are wired regarding detail and accuracy.
 
Ardoch said:
Having the car further down the road would have eliminated a potential witness saying that they saw someone get into a car carrying what looked like a child near to the apartment.
If they planned this well, they would have known that people were in the habit of carrying their children home from the night creche.
I don't believe it was opportunistic - too much at stake. imo
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I agree - so there would have been a window of 30 mins? After the MO check and before KM - Plenty of time then.
 
tedtink said:
Yes and one to pass the child through the window it would have just be far too cumbersome for one person in my opinion, the window opened to 47cm, was 1m off the ground - that's very awkward.

P.J. POLICE FILES: PHOTOGRAPHIC REPORTS FROM 5A
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This is the theory I'm tending toward. One lifts MM out of bed in cradled arms. one outside checking the coast is clear. Inside man sidles along end of window bed, slots MM through window head first into 2nd person's arms.

After that, not sure. Maybe then he climbs through window himself, goes ahead of 2nd man to check path to car is clear before signalling that they can go.
 
Since rewatching parts of the netflix documentary, I have a theory that, if Madeleine was indeed kidnapped by CB, he had help from someone. The portuguese police claimed it would be almost impossible for a person to have taken the child through the window without jumping in the bed, wich showed no signs of being stepped on, so I think there's a chance CB was never inside the apartment, but his accomplice was (a hotel staff member perhaps), as CB stood outside and MM was handled through the window to his arms, and he fled with her.
(Hello. I'm a new member and this is my first post.I've been reading the Madeleine McCann threads since last night)
 
sleuth-d- said:
an example of accuracy/inaccuracy of accessing time can be seen when checking the witness statements against the cctv footage of the beach restaurant. the cctv footage is one of the few verifiable 'facts' in this case.
to me this shows different people judge time differently. and how accurate they are with it. not sinister, just how different people are wired regarding detail and accuracy.
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Yes, you could only say 'about' the time you checked unless there was an alarm system set up for the checks on someones watch.
 
Dlk79 said:
This is the theory I'm tending toward. One lifts MM out of bed in cradled arms. one outside checking the coast is clear. Inside man sidles along end of window bed, slots MM through window head first into 2nd person's arms.

After that, not sure. Maybe then he climbs through window himself, goes ahead of 2nd man to check path to car is clear before signalling that they can go.
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Yes, my theory too. Plenty of room to squat down behind the wall too if anyone was around at the time.
 
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