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she meets the definition of legend. many people do, yet some put more weight on the word without fully understanding the meaning
she puts on a good live show, not the same as prince, but she's not prince and she's doing her own thing and is very successful at doing it and has been successful since her first album. it's coming up about 20 years now when i first saw her, and thought she looked fantastic, and then she played, and impressed me with her talent. i thought once she matures she could be like joni mitchel, but she's went into a more commercial direction, sales and fanbase increased tremendously and one of the biggest sellilng, if not the biggest selling artists at the moment, so it's not a case of one or two big albums and then she turns into alan morris when her jagged pill wears off and she stops trying to make hits and does something else, and her new album is pretty cohesive and listenable, thus the comments about the lack of stand out tracks, as that usually means some tracks aren't as good as others and may drag
one thing that's been picked up on is the potential backlash to the promo campaign. even more variations announced in the last week, the extra tracks, the apple playlists, the amazon descriptions, the coachella appearances, cardigans for sale (not the band), it's on the verge of putting people off, but with a huge sold out tour and the album no doubt number 1 tomorrow and breaking streaming records etc etc etc, she'd need to do some real kanye shit to blow it, and even then she'll still be able to turn things round and pack out venues. and she's still doing it all by focusing on music. she's selling piles of merch, but based on her music. she's yet to branch out like rihanna and the carters and all those other artists with their "own" clothing brands and lifestyle brands and perfumes and tie ins, and autobio, and sneaker lines
If you're looking for a "Cruel Summer", "Shake It Off" or "22", you're not gonna find it here. But it's a good body of work
Nope.
I can understand why the samey samey style of music would sound depressing then.
Quality not quantity.
She struck gold with Folklore, converted a lot of non-Swifties into fans and has tried to capitalise on it, but it's feeling like a "quantity over quality" approach to her work now.
I do admire her work ethic which seems lacking in many, but it isn't that extraordinary.
i think she's probably written and recorded a lot of music recently, and what's on the latest release is music that fits a particular style, so it's mostly downbeat, but it's a cohesive album that fits together well, thus why people are saying they can't see any obvious singles. on first listen i noticed some tracks that would make good singles. instead of obvious "bangers" as the kids would say, they are more growers, and played on radio a lot will get people humming etc
i think she probably recorded many other songs that didn't fit with the style for that album, and there could be some upbeat catchy tunes that would be more like the radio hits that some people expect. so being able to release an album like this, knowing it will sell regardless of how it sounded, she could do something different, and then she has options to release either an album more akin to the last few releases with obvious singles, or release another rerecorded album, or release a live album, or release another album similar to this one
if you look back in the past, some artists released 2 albums a year, including double albums, and toured live a lot, and people like james brown and stevie wonder made some of the most acclaimed and best selling music doing that
many artists work a lot and work hard, but aren't always in the public eye, so writing, recording, rehearsing and doing all sorts of other work apart from being on telly or touring. just because you don't see them doesn't mean they aren't working hard
I agree in regards to legend status. I have liked her three previous albums, but she only really has "Shake it Off" that is largely remembered by anyone who is not a fan. Yes, a lot lof her songs have done well in the charts recently, but the charts do not hold the significance they once had and many of the songs are unlikely to be remembered in 5 years from now, let alone in 10, 20, 30 or 40 years, like others you mentioned.
She has had chart hits since at least 2008.....and judging by the sales she is doing, she isn't going to be forgotten.
And as another poster said, if you look up the definition of legend then she already is.
Until Shake it off she had a few hits in the UK, but the vast majority of her songs didn't chart that highly and are not that well remembered. Since 1989 she has had a lot more chart success, but very few songs that I personally would say are iconic, like the songs by legendary artists. There is a lot of hype around her at present, but whether she will be remembered in the same way as artists like Madonna or Tina Turner, only time will tell.
the charts are just a list of what is popular at a particular point in time. it's got nothing to do with quality or anything else, thus why stuff like mr blobby and other novelty tracks get to number 1. there are many other tracks that never got to number 1 that are considered far better and sold more over time. for decades i've heard people saying the same old thing about songs and artists today won't be remembered and won't last as long as say the beatles or elvis, yet again and again as time goes on, this is disproven, and acts who started after elvis died or the beatles split have been going far longer than elvis or the beatles
people growing up today will look back on the music of now as the music they will think off in decades to come, in a not too dissimilar way to people in the 30s, 40s or 50s looked back on their music, and not enjoying or appreciating as much the music that came before that time, nor the music that came much after that time. someone in their 80s now is unlikely to appreciate many types of music that's popular today, yet may appreciate music from the 50s and 60s, but not so much music from the 40 and earlier. just like someone in their 50s may appreciate music going back to the 60s but not so much the 50s and earlier, and so on and so forth
she won't be remembered the same way as madonna or tina turner or michael jackson or prince, just like madonna isn't remembered the same way as tina, michael and prince, and prince isn't remembered the same way as madonna and tina and michael, and michael isn't remembered like prince and madonna etc, as they are all different people who did different things, so each will be remembered differently for what they did or didn't do as opposed to being grouped together for whatever reason, such as because they were popular at a particular point in time, or the genre of music they were popular at. think of other artists like joni mitchel or tori amos or kate bush or bowie who are also legends. it's just a word and if people meet the definition, then by definition of course they are legends. people perhaps don't understand the meaning of the word and don't bother to check the dictionary and think it's some mythical status like king arthur, but look at the glasto legend slot and you have all sorts of people from cat stevens/yusaf to ray davis and willie nelson (dude on the new beyonce album). what song would you call willie nelsons version of shake it off, without googling for help? or cat stevens?
personally i think most tracks from her first 2 proper albums are better than shake it off, and unless she dies soon or stops making albums for some reason, she's probably going to have many more albums release over the next few decades for people to look back upon and remember her for. and of course she can write and play instruments, so unlike many other popular artists she's not reliant on others as much to create music, whilst with other artists who get certain writing and production teams to create music for them can end up with those people shifting to other artists who are deemed cooler or more popular or simply more likely to benefit them financially in the long term, so hot new production and writing team gives new tracks to the latest hot new act instead of someone older who's popularity has probably peaked
as she grows up, her audience will too, so instead of loads of teenagers following her now, in 20 years she may do more mature music and we get something like her version of don juan's reckless daughter instead of swing with taylor, or taylors great american songbook or taylors duets vol 3
I’ve just listened to Fortnight though (it was playing on the radio) and I really liked it.
Fortnight is dull, dull, dull! Post Malone should be embarrassed being on that song with her.
I disagree. I really enjoyed it.
Each to their own but it's not for me. I actually think it's one of the worst singles she's ever released.
I’ve only listened to it once, so maybe my opinion will change upon further listening.
why? he'll get a pile of money and a pile more exposure from it. there must be loads of people who never heard or at least aware they were hearing his work before this. probably the same with florence and the machine too. some people aren't very familiar and aware of artists outside of what they normally choose to listen to, and loads of people avoid the radio and stuff like that, so if they aren't choosing what they want to hear, they may only hear it during a tv show etc
plus, based on all the news stories about people going nuts for taylor swift related stuff, if folk are packing out a london pub on a daily basis just because it's mentioned in a song, there will be people buying his music and streaming it etc just because he's on a TS album, when they'd never have done so otherwise. she could have anyone guest on a record and their own non TS stuff will see increased sales and interest as she has such a far reach
i wouldn't put it past some fans getting a sharpie out to draw on their face like they fell asleep drunk at a party, just cuz he's on the cover of a TS single now
Depends what you mean by Charting highly....from her debut single up until 1989, apart from 1 song all her releases were Top 40 (41 was her lowest chart entry) on the US Billboard Charts, selling many millions and going multi platinum many times.
She seems very much dedicated/passionate to music and I don't see that stopping for decades and she adapts and not afraid to release different types of albums rather than all just pop.