Talk:Mary Soames

Baroness?

I think this should be Lady Soames, not Baroness Soames, as so far as I'm aware she is not a peer herself.

The title Baroness is not used for the wives of Barons, only for ladies who are appointed peers in their own right (ie. Baroness Thatcher). She should therefore be known as Lady Soames.

Can someone verify that she holds no peerage?

lawsonrob 19 January 2006, 11:38

See WP:PEER. Proteus (Talk) 20:41, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

From the United Kingdom's Parliament website and the authoritative Dod's Companion, it would appear that Lady Soames has not, to date, been granted a peerage. She is addressed as Lady Soames by virtue of the fact that she is the widow of the late Lord Soames. In any case, the wife of a baron is never addressed as "Baroness'; simply as Lady X (husband's surname).- Daniel Oh

The BBC refer to her as Lady not Baroness in this article [1] Racklever (talk) 15:43, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

I think there is a difference between what title is used socially and what is used legally. A woman is usually entitled to the rank of her husband and legally she was certainly The Right Honourable Mary, Baroness Soames or Mary, The Right Honourable Baroness Soames:
"No. 48212". The London Gazette (Supplement). 13 June 1980.
"No. 57622". The London Gazette. 25 April 2005.
Also the BBC refers to her as Lady Mary Soames (a style used by daughters of dukes, marquesses and earls) which is incorrect. Björn Knutson (talk) 13:30, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Guys, how is it, "Lady Soames was made a Dame Commander of the Order of the British Empire for her public service" - doesnt it means she get her own noblehood, being hereby a Dame, ie equivalent to a female Sir?

Also, she was "She was appointed a Lady Companion of the Order of the Garter on 23 April 2005,[6] and was invested on 13 June at Windsor Castle.[7]". As I understand it, this title too means a full Dame-title. She was thus made a female Sir and nobleman double up. OR? For me, being a knight Dame, in my own right, sounds more nice than being married to one nobleman, even if its the higher title of Baron, and having the Lady title by this reason. The question is, what counts as higher: to be a Lady, because married to a baron, or be a Dame, in her own right. Not even mentioning she got the titles because shw earned them by active work and service, even if the heritage didnt hurt any. Ps. An extra question while Im writing. Mary served at AA-batteries. Was she actively participating in the firing, being part of the cannon crew, or what did she exactly do? As I know, it wasnt common for women in England to be active AA crews, while it was rather common in Russia. /StefanZ78.69.228.145 (talk) 21:47, 18 December 2015 (UTC)/StefanZ Extra comment: miss Churchill WAS active crew, I got it confirmed among other, from the book by Eisenhower "Crusade in Europe". It seems it wasnt unusual for women in England to be active crew in AA units. The question is, if they were active cannon crews firing the weapon, or if they "just" were crews of the searchlights. - Which could probably be even more dangerous, the searchlights were surely often shooten at. But its not the same glory./StefanZ213.64.48.129 (talk) 07:26, 1 March 2016 (UTC)/StefanZ. OK, last for now. I have got confirmed, the british women could be and were both active AA cannon crew and search lights crew. Usually they didnt were supposed to draw in the firing string, but they did everything else, including taking all the risks and hardships involved. Mary Churchill got with time an officer rank and degree in this corps (junior commander?), equivalent to captain in the army, when she was seen leading a detachement of these women crews over to France. (Possibly she got even higher rank at the end)./SZ83.223.9.173 (talk) 08:54, 13 February 2017 (UTC)/StefanZ. ,

MBE at age five?

I doubt it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.109.121.86 (talk) 22:43, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

The Hon from May 1965

What happened in May 1965 to make her The Hon? -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 00:25, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Her mother Clementine Churchill was created Baroness Spencer-Churchill.Dr. D.E. Mophon (talk) 01:35, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 02:10, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

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