Supermax69 wrote:

DELTA777 wrote:

VanWyck wrote:Im surprised nobody mentioned Europe flights in coach are all cold food now.

When did that happen? I thought that was only for the NEO flights without ovens.

A very subpar product offering vs any of the legacies they are up against to LHR and CDG

This is a recent development following staffing level cuts. JetBlue has decided they can save money and attempt to make Transatlantic profitable long term by staffing with four Flight Attendants and eliminating hot meals in Core. Without the need to count, prepare and pull hot meals from the ovens, two Flight Attendants can (hypothetically) serve the entire Core cabin. There are changes to the Mint service flow as well, including cuts to the pre-arrival meal service (now cut to a small side salad and bread roll on westbound flights).

I'm sorry, what? MINT w/b only gets a side salad and roll pre-arrival? If true, can't wait for the B6 loyalists to defend that! That's absolutely ridiculous if true.

Get ready because they’re coming with it- they are attempting to craft their defense and justification as we speak. I got lit on fire for saying they won’t run BOS/JFK-FCO with only two frames across the entirety of the fleet that will have the legs for that flight (which they won’t; it would be operational suicide). Their TATL ops have been running for just over 24 months and their loads have been lackluster and not great- I actually hope they are successful, but this decision will shoot their service in the foot and make it even more uncompetitive for people to choose them over other carriers- but you watch; the diehards will spin this and gaslight everyone else who doesn’t share their opinion.

I am really starting to lose faith in jetblue.

trueblew wrote:

DELTA777 wrote:

VanWyck wrote:Im surprised nobody mentioned Europe flights in coach are all cold food now.

When did that happen? I thought that was only for the NEO flights without ovens.

A very subpar product offering vs any of the legacies they are up against to LHR and CDG

This is a recent development following staffing level cuts. JetBlue has decided they can save money and attempt to make Transatlantic profitable long term by staffing with four Flight Attendants and eliminating hot meals in Core. Without the need to count, prepare and pull hot meals from the ovens, two Flight Attendants can (hypothetically) serve the entire Core cabin.

What an absolutely awful decision. Degraded service (cutting FA staffing by 33%) and degraded food (these "chilled" menus look downright disgusting). Are JetBlue trying to kill their TATL operation before it even matures? So much for providing an elevated experience across the Atlantic. This soft product is barely one step up from Spirit.

Shame on JetBlue.

Like Gordon Bethune said: "You can make a pizza so cheap, nobody will eat it."

DELTA777 wrote:

Supermax69 wrote:

DELTA777 wrote:
This is a recent development following staffing level cuts. JetBlue has decided they can save money and attempt to make Transatlantic profitable long term by staffing with four Flight Attendants and eliminating hot meals in Core. Without the need to count, prepare and pull hot meals from the ovens, two Flight Attendants can (hypothetically) serve the entire Core cabin. There are changes to the Mint service flow as well, including cuts to the pre-arrival meal service (now cut to a small side salad and bread roll on westbound flights).

I'm sorry, what? MINT w/b only gets a side salad and roll pre-arrival? If true, can't wait for the B6 loyalists to defend that! That's absolutely ridiculous if true.

Mint menus are all posted on JetBlue.com. "Light Bites" on the menu are the second meal service on westbound flights. Westbound Paris, for example, is an endive side salad and a small pastry . Also of note: flights departing BOS/JFK after 20:30 are a fixed menu (no choice of mains).

I believe it's a miniature salad and a wheat roll.

VanWyck wrote:Im surprised nobody mentioned Europe flights in coach are all cold food now.

When did that happen? I thought that was only for the NEO flights without ovens.

A very subpar product offering vs any of the legacies they are up against to LHR and CDG

I think this is very disappointing given their hot food in core was some of the best I’ve had in coach.

I wonder if besides cost if aircraft swaps were a driving factor here since they swap between NEOs and LRs so often it was pretty inconsistent what service you would be receiving. (A third was already on the A321neo too).
I notice the menus haven’t been updated and just say 3NS instead of 3NS/3NL?

I’ve pretty sure they’ve offered shut-eye savor and sleep for a while tho.

I also noticed that some of the sides and food are the same as they have been for the last few years but just chilled? The main ones I remember are the carrot cake and meatballs.
I remember them having the Apples and seeds tho, although that’s always been chilled.

Also has the pre-arrival bite changed as well? I remember them offering a croissant eastbound and pretzel westbound but both those are hot items.

My uneducated guess tells me the cold meals in coach and the salad + roll are seasonal changes and will go back for the summer.

Supermax69 wrote:My uneducated guess tells me the cold meals in coach and the salad + roll are seasonal changes and will go back for the summer.

These are permanent (for the foreseeable future) and changes to flight attendant staffing levels and qualifications are underway (displacements, etc). Unfortunately this isn’t something that changes overnight. Other changes to the hard product are complete, like making suite doors inoperative so they can staff flights with four flight attendants. I think we can take away from this that the status quo isn’t working for JetBlue and this management team has a focus on cost reduction but any means. I don’t see that changing. But, I hope you are correct

DELTA777 wrote:

Supermax69 wrote:My uneducated guess tells me the cold meals in coach and the salad + roll are seasonal changes and will go back for the summer.

These are permanent (for the foreseeable future) and changes to flight attendant staffing levels and qualifications are underway (displacements, etc). Unfortunately this isn’t something that changes overnight. Other changes to the hard product are complete, like making suite doors inoperative so they can staff flights with four flight attendants. I think we can take away from this that the status quo isn’t working for JetBlue and this management team has a focus on cost reduction but any means. I don’t see that changing. But, I hope you are correct

Cost reduction... at all costs. It will cost JetBlue much more than they save. All of that marketing spend playing up their premium offerings in economy and now they are throwing all that away to be worse than even American and BA across the pond. And that's saying something.

trueblew wrote:
Cost reduction... at all costs. It will cost JetBlue much more than they save. All of that marketing spend playing up their premium offerings in economy and now they are throwing all that away to be worse than even American and BA across the pond. And that's saying something.

I agree. Penny wise, pound foolish. Without some kind of differentiator (and B6 can't compete on frequency, widebody cabin, FF program etc.), there'll be little reason to choose B6, aside from low ticket prices (which will get B6 no where). Those who do choose B6 will not be impressed with the cost-cutting and will quickly make their way back to BA, AA etc.

EK770 wrote:

trueblew wrote:
Cost reduction... at all costs. It will cost JetBlue much more than they save. All of that marketing spend playing up their premium offerings in economy and now they are throwing all that away to be worse than even American and BA across the pond. And that's saying something.

I agree. Penny wise, pound foolish. Without some kind of differentiator (and B6 can't compete on frequency, widebody cabin, FF program etc.), there'll be little reason to choose B6, aside from low ticket prices (which will get B6 no where). Those who do choose B6 will not be impressed with the cost-cutting and will quickly make their way back to BA, AA etc.

JetBlue may be able to get away with trying this "experiment" during the trough season, however their incredible hubris will likely blind them from seeing the impact of their actions and instead blame external factors for their failure as they do with everything else. I will actively avoid (instead of merely price shop and value compare) JetBlue across the pond if this is the service standard they have chosen to provide going forward.

trueblew wrote:

EK770 wrote:

trueblew wrote:
Cost reduction... at all costs. It will cost JetBlue much more than they save. All of that marketing spend playing up their premium offerings in economy and now they are throwing all that away to be worse than even American and BA across the pond. And that's saying something.

I agree. Penny wise, pound foolish. Without some kind of differentiator (and B6 can't compete on frequency, widebody cabin, FF program etc.), there'll be little reason to choose B6, aside from low ticket prices (which will get B6 no where). Those who do choose B6 will not be impressed with the cost-cutting and will quickly make their way back to BA, AA etc.

JetBlue may be able to get away with trying this "experiment" during the trough season, however their incredible hubris will likely blind them from seeing the impact of their actions and instead blame external factors for their failure as they do with everything else. I will actively avoid (instead of merely price shop and value compare) JetBlue across the pond if this is the service standard they have chosen to provide going forward.

Obviously I don't have a crystal ball but there's no way these reductions in meal service will last past the winter season. I think once the ship stops taking on water then B6 will bring all these things back.... and more.

On a side note, just curious, how are the lounges being financed?

As much as I usually don’t take much to heart about certain over the top criticisms of JetBlue on here, this I even have to say it’s ridiculous they don’t serve hot meals in their Y cabin. Give me a break! This is part of the “jet forward” program to be a winner in the highly competitive landscape they operate in? They been doing lots of good moves to turn it around to their credit, but this one is more like jet backward. Geeze B6, you’re looking clueless on what’s a good transatlantic cabin service supposed to be.Big

I'm confused how having cold meals makes it any easier for the two FA's in the back? Cold or hot, they're still doing a similar service. If JetBlue is, indeed, using the reduction in FA's as the reason for eliminating hot meals, they're not being really honest. What reason is there for anyone to choose an airline flying narrow body planes across the Atlantic with an inferior inflight product. It makes me sad for the employees at JetBlue that had a product they could be proud of previously.

trueblew wrote:

DELTA777 wrote:

Supermax69 wrote:My uneducated guess tells me the cold meals in coach and the salad + roll are seasonal changes and will go back for the summer.

These are permanent (for the foreseeable future) and changes to flight attendant staffing levels and qualifications are underway (displacements, etc). Unfortunately this isn’t something that changes overnight. Other changes to the hard product are complete, like making suite doors inoperative so they can staff flights with four flight attendants. I think we can take away from this that the status quo isn’t working for JetBlue and this management team has a focus on cost reduction but any means. I don’t see that changing. But, I hope you are correct

Cost reduction... at all costs. It will cost JetBlue much more than they save. All of that marketing spend playing up their premium offerings in economy and now they are throwing all that away to be worse than even American and BA across the pond. And that's saying something.

I think we get it..enough with hyperbole and over dramatics.

Yes the change sucks if it’s permanent but hopefully temporary until they get on more stable footing.

ASFlyer wrote:I'm confused how having cold meals makes it any easier for the two FA's in the back? Cold or hot, they're still doing a similar service. If JetBlue is, indeed, using the reduction in FA's as the reason for eliminating hot meals, they're not being really honest. What reason is there for anyone to choose an airline flying narrow body planes across the Atlantic with an inferior inflight product. It makes me sad for the employees at JetBlue that had a product they could be proud of previously.

Prior to the service changes, hot meals were catered in the ovens. A flight attendant would heat the meals, pull all hot meals and organize them in insulated cart toppers. As simple as it may sound, this process takes time and coordination. With the new service, there is no need to cook, organize or pack out meals. Cold carts are catered with meals and FAs simply set up beverages and start service, no pulling hot meals from the oven or additional setup needed.

Simply put, the 3NS (16J) didn’t come with rear galley ovens. Only the LR (24J) did.

There’s been so many equipment swaps (often the day of and in some cases hours before departure, several I can personally attest to) in the last few years due to NEO engine issues, 300+ day aircraft downtime, and just overall MX teething with few, if any, spares, that it appears the company is making an effort to streamline cabin service for the foreseeable future.

It’s a big let down overall and a huge shift in their premium product promise. Hopefully it’s nothing more than an 18-24 month temporary solution but who knows.

BlueBaller wrote:Simply put, the 3NS (16J) didn’t come with rear galley ovens. Only the LR (24J) did.

There’s been so many equipment swaps (often the day of and in some cases hours before departure, several I can personally attest to) in the last few years due to NEO engine issues, 300+ day aircraft downtime, and just overall MX teething with few, if any, spares, that it appears the company is making an effort to streamline cabin service for the foreseeable future.

It’s a big let down overall and a huge shift in their premium product promise. Hopefully it’s nothing more than an 18-24 month temporary solution but who knows.

Okay. Put in the ovens then.

The thing I have observed over and over again at B6 that perplexes me: they need to do it the JetBlue way…which frankly sucks. It is cheap chic.

When it comes to basics, just do what AA and Delta and United etc have done for 50 plus years. They have a clue, you dont…stop reinventing the wheel

What in the good lord is going on with B6 at SLC? Parts of the year, they’re down to just one flight a day (which will be a redeye to JFK).

bluenippon wrote:What in the good lord is going on with B6 at SLC? Parts of the year, they’re down to just one flight a day (which will be a redeye to JFK).

Like 2006 all over again! yea!

actually, that looks like most of the year.

Even next summer

I imagine that will be another city to be cut soon

VanWyck wrote:

bluenippon wrote:What in the good lord is going on with B6 at SLC? Parts of the year, they’re down to just one flight a day (which will be a redeye to JFK).

Like 2006 all over again! yea!

actually, that looks like most of the year.

Even next summer

I imagine that will be another city to be cut soon

SLC won’t get cut. They are doing whatever they can to squeeze as much profit for every flight with the much less resources they have with PW OTS aircraft and delivery delays. When they get back to a serious growth mode more slc will be added back, but not before they bulk up BOS/FLL and fill out JFK
I just spoke to a friend that flew mint out to Amsterdam and Y cabin back. He said the food in economy was actually very good. The mint meal was fantastic, hot foods in mint is still a thing just fyi. The mint meal was a little less than before but overall he said the service was excellent.
They got a new accolade for USA Today readers choice recently also
https://www.boston.com/travel/flights/2 ... y-readers/

With the PW engine issues getting worse before they get better, how vulnerable do we think the European routes are? If half the fleet goes down unexpectedly, TATL suddenly isn’t viable for JetBlue, and they obviously can’t afford to become unreliable in that space…

Abeam79 wrote:

VanWyck wrote:

bluenippon wrote:What in the good lord is going on with B6 at SLC? Parts of the year, they’re down to just one flight a day (which will be a redeye to JFK).

Like 2006 all over again! yea!

actually, that looks like most of the year.

Even next summer

I imagine that will be another city to be cut soon

SLC won’t get cut. They are doing whatever they can to squeeze as much profit for every flight with the much less resources they have with PW OTS aircraft and delivery delays. When they get back to a serious growth mode more slc will be added back, but not before they bulk up BOS/FLL and fill out JFK
I just spoke to a friend that flew mint out to Amsterdam and Y cabin back. He said the food in economy was actually very good. The mint meal was fantastic, hot foods in mint is still a thing just fyi. The mint meal was a little less than before but overall he said the service was excellent.
They got a new accolade for USA Today readers choice recently also
https://www.boston.com/travel/flights/2 ... y-readers/

There's not many people that will disagree that MINT is a very good product. I'd say it falls short of being in the top 10 of international business class cabins but that's not to say it's not a good product worthy of good reviews.

VanWyck wrote:

BlueBaller wrote:Simply put, the 3NS (16J) didn’t come with rear galley ovens. Only the LR (24J) did.

There’s been so many equipment swaps (often the day of and in some cases hours before departure, several I can personally attest to) in the last few years due to NEO engine issues, 300+ day aircraft downtime, and just overall MX teething with few, if any, spares, that it appears the company is making an effort to streamline cabin service for the foreseeable future.

It’s a big let down overall and a huge shift in their premium product promise. Hopefully it’s nothing more than an 18-24 month temporary solution but who knows.

Okay. Put in the ovens then.

The thing I have observed over and over again at B6 that perplexes me: they need to do it the JetBlue way…which frankly sucks. It is cheap chic.

When it comes to basics, just do what AA and Delta and United etc have done for 50 plus years. They have a clue, you dont…stop reinventing the wheel

While I agree they should have ovens, it’s not that easy to just throw ovens on board. Requires rework of the galley, likely an STC amendment, prototyping, etc. and would probably take just as long for all of that as it would to get the engine issues worked out.

doulasc wrote:Now that Southwest Airlines is tightening the belt in Atlanta and dropping flights to Florida. I wonder if JetBlue will reinstate Atlanta to Fort Lauderdale and Orlando.

B6 would struggle mightily on MCO/FLL-ATL even with a shrinking WN. They couldn't compete with the mass frequency of DL and WN to a lesser extent as B6 was typically 1x or 2x daily when they ran this route.

I think bringing back MSY or BNA in the future would be a better bet than trying Florida-ATL once again.

AA321T wrote:

VanWyck wrote:

BlueBaller wrote:Simply put, the 3NS (16J) didn’t come with rear galley ovens. Only the LR (24J) did.

There’s been so many equipment swaps (often the day of and in some cases hours before departure, several I can personally attest to) in the last few years due to NEO engine issues, 300+ day aircraft downtime, and just overall MX teething with few, if any, spares, that it appears the company is making an effort to streamline cabin service for the foreseeable future.

It’s a big let down overall and a huge shift in their premium product promise. Hopefully it’s nothing more than an 18-24 month temporary solution but who knows.

Okay. Put in the ovens then.

The thing I have observed over and over again at B6 that perplexes me: they need to do it the JetBlue way…which frankly sucks. It is cheap chic.

When it comes to basics, just do what AA and Delta and United etc have done for 50 plus years. They have a clue, you dont…stop reinventing the wheel

While I agree they should have ovens, it’s not that easy to just throw ovens on board. Requires rework of the galley, likely an STC amendment, prototyping, etc. and would probably take just as long for all of that as it would to get the engine issues worked out.

They should have just ordered them from the factory with ovens installed. Cheaped out yet again.

And can you imagine an equipment sub and you are the unlucky passenger who bought a Mint ticket and get moved to an economy seat featuring a COLD unappetising meal? That's a sure way to lose a high value customer to Delta forever.

N766UA wrote:With the PW engine issues getting worse before they get better, how vulnerable do we think the European routes are? If half the fleet goes down unexpectedly, TATL suddenly isn’t viable for JetBlue, and they obviously can’t afford to become unreliable in that space…

I suspect JetBlue would take functional engines off non-transatlantic aircraft to keep the network going as they are able to make other equipment subs on flights within the Americas. This may be a question for the fleet thread, but what deliveries are upcoming? Are they all 24J NEOs, mix of 24J/16J or all economy?

I think it's wrong for JetBlue to get rid of hot meals on transatlantic flights in economy. On a long flight like that, you need at least one hot meal.

VanWyck wrote:

bluenippon wrote:What in the good lord is going on with B6 at SLC? Parts of the year, they’re down to just one flight a day (which will be a redeye to JFK).

Like 2006 all over again! yea!

actually, that looks like most of the year.

Even next summer

I imagine that will be another city to be cut soon

Absolutely nuts. I hope they don’t drop SLC. If they do, DL would be the only carrier on SLC-JFK.

At one point, B6 had a decent size operation at SLC. I think they had BUR, SAN, LGB, LAS, SFO, FLL, and MCO.

flyby519 wrote:

doulasc wrote:I think it's wrong for JetBlue to get rid of hot meals on transatlantic flights in economy. On a long flight like that, you need at least one hot meal.

Does anyone else serve hot meals in coach these days (US carriers)?

Every US carrier serves hot meals on transatlantic flights.

ScorpioMC3 wrote:

flyby519 wrote:

doulasc wrote:I think it's wrong for JetBlue to get rid of hot meals on transatlantic flights in economy. On a long flight like that, you need at least one hot meal.

Does anyone else serve hot meals in coach these days (US carriers)?

Every US carrier serves hot meals on transatlantic flights.

Not a US carrier but even Norse offers hot food. So for B6 to take away hot food is a big step in the wrong direction.

flyby519 wrote:

doulasc wrote:I think it's wrong for JetBlue to get rid of hot meals on transatlantic flights in economy. On a long flight like that, you need at least one hot meal.

Does anyone else serve hot meals in coach these days (US carriers)?

I was specifically talking about their overseas flights

trueblew wrote:

AA321T wrote:

VanWyck wrote:
Okay. Put in the ovens then.

The thing I have observed over and over again at B6 that perplexes me: they need to do it the JetBlue way…which frankly sucks. It is cheap chic.

When it comes to basics, just do what AA and Delta and United etc have done for 50 plus years. They have a clue, you dont…stop reinventing the wheel

While I agree they should have ovens, it’s not that easy to just throw ovens on board. Requires rework of the galley, likely an STC amendment, prototyping, etc. and would probably take just as long for all of that as it would to get the engine issues worked out.

They should have just ordered them from the factory with ovens installed. Cheaped out yet again.

And can you imagine an equipment sub and you are the unlucky passenger who bought a Mint ticket and get moved to an economy seat featuring a COLD unappetising meal? That's a sure way to lose a high value customer to Delta forever.

I don’t think the original plan was to have the 16 Mint seat A321neos operate transatlantic but with delays, demand, etc they decided it was worth it.
The cabins are very different two
The A321neo has a different lavatory/pantry configuration, different cabin (LR has airspace), different entertainment (LR has 5 channels vs 100, I think), different outlets, etc.

trueblew wrote:

N766UA wrote:With the PW engine issues getting worse before they get better, how vulnerable do we think the European routes are? If half the fleet goes down unexpectedly, TATL suddenly isn’t viable for JetBlue, and they obviously can’t afford to become unreliable in that space…

I suspect JetBlue would take functional engines off non-transatlantic aircraft to keep the network going as they are able to make other equipment subs on flights within the Americas. This may be a question for the fleet thread, but what deliveries are upcoming? Are they all 24J NEOs, mix of 24J/16J or all economy?

I would assume that too, Delta takes the engines from their non-ETOPS A321neos and swaps them.
The next two from XFW are 16J A321neos (not sure if these two are for next year, but if they get another one from BFM this year, it’ll also be a 16J A321neo).
I thought next year was supposed to be 2 24J A321LR and 2 16J A321neo but some reports said they might get an XLR (which I hope would also be 24J)?

IanShyu wrote:

trueblew wrote:

N766UA wrote:With the PW engine issues getting worse before they get better, how vulnerable do we think the European routes are? If half the fleet goes down unexpectedly, TATL suddenly isn’t viable for JetBlue, and they obviously can’t afford to become unreliable in that space…

I suspect JetBlue would take functional engines off non-transatlantic aircraft to keep the network going as they are able to make other equipment subs on flights within the Americas. This may be a question for the fleet thread, but what deliveries are upcoming? Are they all 24J NEOs, mix of 24J/16J or all economy?

I would assume that too, Delta takes the engines from their non-ETOPS A321neos and swaps them.
The next two from XFW are 16J A321neos (not sure if these two are for next year, but if they get another one from BFM this year, it’ll also be a 16J A321neo).
I thought next year was supposed to be 2 24J A321LR and 2 16J A321neo but some reports said they might get an XLR (which I hope would also be 24J)?

There’s an in production NEO in Hamburg that is painted already. I’d assume is coming this year.

Another popped up on this tracking page.
https://www.planespotters.net/airline/JetBlue-Airways

2 XLRs next year.

The 16 mint seat airplanes were never supposed to go TATL. They had to be added specifically to ETOPS after the fact.

Do we have any confirmation that this no hot food thing is true and permanent? Seems a dramatic reaction on here without confirmation. With confirmation, sure, go crazy. But it seems at odds with a lounge announcement. I haven’t heard anything other than someone saying it on this site.


If it’s a non-LR NEO issue, but with the seasonal TATL routes pausing soon, couldn’t the LRs handle all of the TATL work? If the LRs are equipped with ovens for economy, are they going to be disabled? Will this be a winter thing? This winter? All winters? All year? 8 months? 3.1415 months? We don’t know anything.

flyby519 wrote:

doulasc wrote:I think it's wrong for JetBlue to get rid of hot meals on transatlantic flights in economy. On a long flight like that, you need at least one hot meal.

Does anyone else serve hot meals in coach these days (US carriers)?

I think we've found the clueless JetBlue exec who thinks it's no big deal to remove hot food from coach on ocean crossings. Unbelievable.

If an airline is struggling, creating a wider service gap (in a bad way) between themselves and their competitors is surely not the way to find success.

December17 wrote:[
Do we have any confirmation that this no hot food thing is true and permanent? Seems a dramatic reaction on here without confirmation. With confirmation, sure, go crazy. But it seems at odds with a lounge announcement. I haven’t heard anything other than someone saying it on this site.

It is indeed confirmed.

https://www.jetblue.com/flying-with-us/ ... ning-menus

"All items served chilled."

Quite embarrassing.

December17 wrote:

IanShyu wrote:

trueblew wrote:
I suspect JetBlue would take functional engines off non-transatlantic aircraft to keep the network going as they are able to make other equipment subs on flights within the Americas. This may be a question for the fleet thread, but what deliveries are upcoming? Are they all 24J NEOs, mix of 24J/16J or all economy?

I would assume that too, Delta takes the engines from their non-ETOPS A321neos and swaps them.
The next two from XFW are 16J A321neos (not sure if these two are for next year, but if they get another one from BFM this year, it’ll also be a 16J A321neo).
I thought next year was supposed to be 2 24J A321LR and 2 16J A321neo but some reports said they might get an XLR (which I hope would also be 24J)?

There’s an in production NEO in Hamburg that is painted already. I’d assume is coming this year.

Another popped up on this tracking page.
https://www.planespotters.net/airline/JetBlue-Airways

2 XLRs next year.

The 16 mint seat airplanes were never supposed to go TATL. They had to be added specifically to ETOPS after the fact.

Do we have any confirmation that this no hot food thing is true and permanent? Seems a dramatic reaction on here without confirmation. With confirmation, sure, go crazy. But it seems at odds with a lounge announcement. I haven’t heard anything other than someone saying it on this site.


If it’s a non-LR NEO issue, but with the seasonal TATL routes pausing soon, couldn’t the LRs handle all of the TATL work? If the LRs are equipped with ovens for economy, are they going to be disabled? Will this be a winter thing? This winter? All winters? All year? 8 months? 3.1415 months? We don’t know anything.

There’s two currently with painted tails in XFW in the 16J config (you can tell because it has the mid-cabin window plugs for the lavatory and pantry. There’s only one more A321neo delivery due this year I believe. The last few have taken 3-4 months from primer to delivery I believe.
Also do we know if they’re accepting an A321LR next year?

https://aviation.flights/aib/A320/12274
https://aviation.flights/aib/A320/12288

I think we have confirmation the chilled food is here since the transatlantic page now says “ Enjoy a chilled main meal featuring seasonal, farm-to-tray-table ingredients.”
https://www.jetblue.com/flying-with-us/uk-and-europe
The menus currently are only listed as for the 3NS plane type but run until December. Weather or not hot food comes back, when it comes back, we really don’t know unless they specifically say, which it seems they currently don’t.

Is the new Mint “shut eye service” on eastbound transatlantic flights departing after 8:30 pm new?

Sounds a lot like BA’s former “sleeper service”… the big difference being that BA had lounges you could eat in before boarding whereas B6 has… nothing

danbk wrote:Is the new Mint “shut eye service” on eastbound transatlantic flights departing after 8:30 pm new?

Sounds a lot like BA’s former “sleeper service”… the big difference being that BA had lounges you could eat in before boarding whereas B6 has… nothing

I don’t believe so, I think they’ve offered it on transcon flights since close to its inception 10 years ago and have offered it on some transatlantic flights.
I’m not sure if it was by choice or not, but I know the second meal was a choice before. https://web.archive.org/web/20170615162 ... blue/mint/
https://www.jetblue.com/magnoliapublic/ ... LD_Web.pdf

trueblew wrote:

December17 wrote:[
Do we have any confirmation that this no hot food thing is true and permanent? Seems a dramatic reaction on here without confirmation. With confirmation, sure, go crazy. But it seems at odds with a lounge announcement. I haven’t heard anything other than someone saying it on this site.

It is indeed confirmed.

https://www.jetblue.com/flying-with-us/ ... ning-menus

"All items served chilled."

Quite embarrassing.

No need to be rude. Thanks for confirming. I’m just a lowly pilot, so I was just looking for the information that no one posted yet.

I wonder how long this will go on for.

IanShyu wrote:

December17 wrote:

IanShyu wrote:I would assume that too, Delta takes the engines from their non-ETOPS A321neos and swaps them.
The next two from XFW are 16J A321neos (not sure if these two are for next year, but if they get another one from BFM this year, it’ll also be a 16J A321neo).
I thought next year was supposed to be 2 24J A321LR and 2 16J A321neo but some reports said they might get an XLR (which I hope would also be 24J)?

There’s an in production NEO in Hamburg that is painted already. I’d assume is coming this year.

Another popped up on this tracking page.
https://www.planespotters.net/airline/JetBlue-Airways

2 XLRs next year.

The 16 mint seat airplanes were never supposed to go TATL. They had to be added specifically to ETOPS after the fact.

Do we have any confirmation that this no hot food thing is true and permanent? Seems a dramatic reaction on here without confirmation. With confirmation, sure, go crazy. But it seems at odds with a lounge announcement. I haven’t heard anything other than someone saying it on this site.


If it’s a non-LR NEO issue, but with the seasonal TATL routes pausing soon, couldn’t the LRs handle all of the TATL work? If the LRs are equipped with ovens for economy, are they going to be disabled? Will this be a winter thing? This winter? All winters? All year? 8 months? 3.1415 months? We don’t know anything.

There’s two currently with painted tails in XFW in the 16J config (you can tell because it has the mid-cabin window plugs for the lavatory and pantry. There’s only one more A321neo delivery due this year I believe. The last few have taken 3-4 months from primer to delivery I believe.
Also do we know if they’re accepting an A321LR next year?

https://aviation.flights/aib/A320/12274
https://aviation.flights/aib/A320/12288

I think we have confirmation the chilled food is here since the transatlantic page now says “ Enjoy a chilled main meal featuring seasonal, farm-to-tray-table ingredients.”
https://www.jetblue.com/flying-with-us/uk-and-europe
The menus currently are only listed as for the 3NS plane type but run until December. Weather or not hot food comes back, when it comes back, we really don’t know unless they specifically say, which it seems they currently don’t.

I appreciate the mature answer. Thanks.

December17 wrote:

trueblew wrote:

December17 wrote:[
Do we have any confirmation that this no hot food thing is true and permanent? Seems a dramatic reaction on here without confirmation. With confirmation, sure, go crazy. But it seems at odds with a lounge announcement. I haven’t heard anything other than someone saying it on this site.

It is indeed confirmed.

https://www.jetblue.com/flying-with-us/ ... ning-menus

"All items served chilled."

Quite embarrassing.

No need to be rude. Thanks for confirming. I’m just a lowly pilot, so I was just looking for the information that no one posted yet.

I wonder how long this will go on for.

Rude? I wasn't calling you embarrassing. I was referring to the decision by the airline as such.

Supermax69 wrote: DL owns Italy.

In what sense?? Bit of a exaggeration. DL may offering the most flights Summer '25 and will fly to Catania which AA and UA will not but that's far from "owning Italy". AA will fly to more destinations from FCO as compared to any other U.S. airline. UA also offers a robust schedule. So hardly "owning". But in any case, this is a B6 thread and they could definitely decide to dip into Italy at some point when it becomes a priority for them, assuming they have a capable fleet.

soflaflyer wrote:

Supermax69 wrote: DL owns Italy.

In what sense?? Bit of a exaggeration. DL may offering the most flights Summer '25 and will fly to Catania which AA and UA will not but that's far from "owning Italy". AA will fly to more destinations from FCO as compared to any other U.S. airline. UA also offers a robust schedule. So hardly "owning". But in any case, this is a B6 thread and they could definitely decide to dip into Italy at some point when it becomes a priority for them, assuming they have a capable fleet.

Certainly not with cold (sorry, "chilled") coach meals, reduced Mint meal options, privacy doors locked open, and apathetic service from front to back. Cue the gaslighting from the fanbois. It's quite sad as JetBlue have the opportunity to stand out and provide a quality product yet they cannot resist the temptation to cheapen their offering to the point it's completely undesirable.

lol at the "chilled", you know they had several conferences to determine how to make cold food sound hipster

I find the accusations of fan-boyism a bit peculiar when you read all of these critical remarks, some as arcane as calling certain colors “unsophisticated,” while these same posters have nothing to say about the woes currently being felt at Spirit. The thread about Spirit’s network reductions got no comment from the harshest JetBlue critics who seem to post here daily. There are different ways of expressing your fan-boy sentiments, but the hyper-critical nature of some of these comments are hard to take seriously when you find that some of these posters only offer negative opinions on Jetblue. They don’t seem to offer anything about anyone else, which makes them trolls, essentially.

11C wrote:The thread about Spirit’s network reductions got no comment from the harshest JetBlue critics who seem to post here daily.

If users want B6 to give up all their JFK slots and BOS gates to Delta or similar, they should outright say so.

There is a lot of hypocrisy over many issues raised here.

A220HubandSpoke wrote:

11C wrote:The thread about Spirit’s network reductions got no comment from the harshest JetBlue critics who seem to post here daily.

If users want B6 to give up all their JFK slots and BOS gates to Delta or similar, they should outright say so.

There is a lot of hypocrisy over many issues raised here.

People who live in the real world and have a decent understanding of antitrust law should know the DOJ would file suit to stop DL from acquiring a significant fraction of B6 slots/gates in BOS and/or JFK.

There's no reason to give a.net over to ungrounded fantasy.

As for getting rid of hot meals and replacing them with cold food, finally!

I've been saying this for a while, but hot food in economy didn't make any sense due to one reason - consistency.

The TATL routes are operated by a mix of regular A321neos and A321LRs, the latter has ovens but the former does not.

How are is B6 meant to sell an inconsistent product? Are the Jetblue commercials meant to include a line saying "Oh there's a 50% chance of having hot food on your flight?" Oh please.