John Jacob Zimmer (1722 - 1782)

Born 16 Oct 1722 in Schoharie, Schoharie, New York

Ancestors

Husband of Catharine Barbara (Bader) Zimmer — married 26 Mar 1746 in Schoharie, New York

Descendants

Died 26 Jul 1782 at age 59 in Gallupville, Schoharie, New York, United States

Biography

ZIMMER- Johan Jacob SR (1722-ca 1805): Biographical Sketch by Gloria Odom Trommler, Nov 2010; updated MAY 2011.

Johan Jacob ZIMMER (Sr), son of (parents unconfirmed); born 16 Sept. 1722, Schoharie, Schoharie Co., NY (unproven; info. per T. Zimmer); died (date & place unknown) Schoharie, Schoharie Co., NY (After 26 July 1781; The Foxes Creek Raid by Mark Sullivan^[1]) and after 07 Nov 1804 (deed).

May 2011 update on death date: Author & compiler of Zimmer descendants, Chester G. ZIMMER (1910-2003) of Gallupville, Schoharie Co., NY identifies a deed "will" dated 07 Nov 1804 selling property for $10 to sons; it is said to be signed in his own handwriting.

Catharina BATER, daughter of (parents unconfirmed); born (date & place unknown); died (after Tory/Indian raid of 26 July 1781) (date & place unknown).

21 December 1741 - JACOB ZIMMER, MEMBERSHIP: A 'Jacob Zimmer'^[2] was received as a member of the Reformed Church in Schoharie, Schoharie Co., New York on 21 December 1741.

22 March 1745/46 - MARRIAGE. Jacob and Catarina were married 22 March 1745/46 (per MKZ), probably Schoharie Co., NY (conjecture - where they lived most of their lives).

1746. Jacob ZIMMER and Catharina BATER had a daughter (child 1), Maria Elizabetha ZIMMER, born 1746, Schoharie Co., New York. Jeorg ZIMMER and wife Maria Elizabetha were sponsors for 'Maria Elizabetha ZIMMER' born 1746, baptized 15 Feb. 1747^[3] to Jacob and Catharine ZIMMER.

21 Feb. 1747/8. Jacob Zimmer and w. Catharina S. H. V.., witnessed^[4] the bapt. of Catharina who's parents were Niclaas Ecker and w. Catharina S:H:V: as shown in the church records of the High and Low Dutch Reformed Church of Schoharie, Schoharie Co., NY

1748. Jacob ZIMMER and Catharina BATER had a son (child 2), Johan(n) Adam 'Adam' ZIMMER, born 1748, Schoharie Co., New York.

1749. Adam STAARNBERG and Elisabeth ZIMMER were sponsors for 'Johan Adam ZIMMER' baptized 09 April 1749^[5] to Jacob ZIMMER and Catharina BA(T)HERIN.

1750. Jacob ZIMMER and Catharina BATER had a daughter (child 3), Maria Margareth ZIMMER, baptized 24 December 1750,^[6] Schoharie Co., New York. Piter BECKKER and Maria MA(N) were sponsors^[6] for 'Maria Margareth ZIMMER' baptized 24 December 1750 to Jacob ZIMMER and Catharina BATER.

18 December 1750 - DEACON.^[7] Jacob Zimmer was elected Deacon of the Reformed Church of Schoharie, NY as per the Reformed Church in Schoharie, Schoharie Co., New York

16 February 1753.^[8] Jacob Zimmer was listed as a parent, but the line was blank in the records of the High and Low Dutch Reformed Church in Schoharie. One researcher commented: 'Jacob ZIMMER baptized a child (possibly child 4) who apparently died shortly after birth.'

12 July 1754. Jacob Zimmer and Catharina Bater S:H:V: witnessed^[9] bapt. of Jacob whose parents were Johannes Beckker and Ann Maria Knieskem as per the church records of the High and Low Dutch Reformed Church of Schoharie, Schoharie Co., NY - LDS Film No. 0532613.

1758. Jacob ZIMMER and Catharina BATER had a daughter (child 5), Gertruyd ZIMMER, baptized 23 April 1758,^[10] Schoharie Co., New York. Hannes SCHAFFER and Gertruyd SCHAFFER were sponsors^[10] for 'Gertruyd ZIMMER' baptized 23 April 175, to Jacob ZIMMER and Catharina BATHER.

13 May 1760. Jacob ZIMMER and Catharina BATER had a son (child 6), Pitter ZIMMER, born 13 May 1760, and baptized 25 May 1760,^[11] Schoharie Co., New York. Yorry ZIMMER and wife Marieliss ZIMMER were sponsors^[11] for 'Pitter ZIMMER,' born 13 May 1760, baptized 25 May 1760, to Jacob ZIMMER and Cathrina BA(T)HER.

30 August 1762. Jacob ZIMMER and Catharina BATER had a daughter (child 7), Maria Catharina ZIMMER, born 30 August 1762,^[12] Schoharie Co., New York. Georg KRAUS, single and Maria ENTERS, single, were sponsors^[12] for 'Maria Catharina ZIMMER,' born 30 August 1762, baptized 27 November 1762, to Jacob ZIMMER and Catharina.

22 June 1771. Jacob Zimmer and Catharina S:H:V: witnessed^[13] the bapt. of Catharina b. 18 June the parents were Gurrie Bekker and Maria Elizbeth S:H:V: as per the church records of the High and Low Dutch Reformed Church of Schoharie, Schoharie Co., NY

01 May 1774. Jacob Zimmer and Catharina S:H:V: witnessed^[14] the bapt. of Catharina b. 18 June the parents were Jacob Wydman Jr. and Maria Margareth as per the church records of the High and Low Dutch Reformed Church of Schoharie, Schoharie Co., NY

12 November 1775. Jacob Zimmer and Catharina witnessed^[15] the bapt. of Jacob b. 3 Nov. 1775 whose parents were John George Bekker and Maria Elizbeth S:H:V: as per the church records of the High and Low Dutch Reformed Church of Schoharie, Schoharie Co.,

25 December 1777. Jacob Zimmer and Catharina S:H:V: witnessed^[16] the bapt. of Catharina whose parents were Adam Wedmand and Geertruid S:H:V: as per the church records of the High and Low Dutch Reformed Church of Schoharie, Schoharie Co., NY

Zimmer, John Jacob,^[17] killed by Indians July 1782 [1781] Gallupville; Catharine Bater, his wife died 1790. Note: Year should be 1781, not 1782 [per Mark Sullivan;^[1] see 'The Foxes Creek Raid']

Additional NOTE by Gloria Odom Trommler: The stories I read indicated that Jacob SR ZIMMER's son Jacob JR ZIMMER is one of the individuals who was killed in the Indian/Torie raids and states that the father was not at home when the raid took place. Therefore, I am uncertain if Jacob SR ZIMMER was actually killed in July 1781??

SKETCH OF Jacob ZIMMER: The following are various extracts identifying information about Jacob SR ZIMMER and some of his family.

History of Schoharie County, New York, With Illustrations and Biographical Sketches of Some of Its Prominent Men and Pioneers, Roscoe, Section: Chapter 3:^[18]

The meeting was secret and held at the house of Richard Cartwright, 'inn holder,' on the 24th of January, 1775. with Abraham Yates in the chair, and Daniel Budd and Peter Becker as delegates from Schoharie. They drew up the following resolution: -

...On the 29th of April a 'Committee of Safety' was appointed in each district who reported in person on the 10th of May, which was the first Committee of Safety in the county, and gave to the association formed on the 24th of January. the name of 'Committee of Correspondence and Committee of Safety of Albany City and County.' The same extended their powers and duties and were called in addition 'Committee of Protection.' Those first appointed in Schoharie were, Peter Vroman, Jacob Zimmer, Daniel Budd, Peter W. Zeilie, Thomas Eckerson and Johannes Ball. The latter was chosen chairman and filled the position to the close of the war. The second board was appointed on the 7th of November, 1775, and consisted of William Dietz, Lawrence Schoolcraft, Jost Borst, Peter W. Zeilie, Peter Becker, Peter Vroman and Johannes Ball. Associated with them from time to time, to the close of hostilities, were Samuel Vroman, Joseph Becker, Joseph Zimmer, Nicholas Sternbergh, George Warner and Peter Swart. ... The valley had been in a measure put under a state of defense and watch, by dividing it into sections and appointing men to oversee the arrangements. An order to that effect was made by the Committee of Safety as follows:-

'Schoharie July 7th, 1777, in committee chamber first resolved that all the persons between the ages of sixteen and fifty years...'And any person southward from Baltus Krysler's are to be armed when they come to any meeting that may be kept in Breakabeen and if neglected, to pay the fines to Mr. Wm. Zimmer, and to be put by him in execution as before mentioned, and for the use as aforesaid. ... Beside the invasions already alluded to, small bands of Indians usually led by Tories, from time to time appeared here and there, and took many prisoners. George Warner Jun., son of the 'committee man,' of Cobleskill, was taken in July, 1782*, by Crysler, and his father and brother Nicholas, in December following by Seth's Henry and several Indians. Also the day before the capture of George Warner, Jun., the same band appeared upon Fox's creek, in the present town of Wright, and burned the residence and other buildings of Jacob Zimmer, killed his son Jacob, and one Hoever, beside taking John Snyder, and Henry Becker prisoners. [*should be 1781 per Mark SULLIVAN^[1]].

We were fortunate to find in the possession of Henry Cady, (a descendant of Colonel Peter Vroman,) the well preserved muster-roll, bearing the date of 1782, which we here copy. ...

Many of those whose names are upon it, were active loyalists through the war, and why they were retained upon the list, we are unable to tell. It includes all that were liable to military duty in the whole Schoharie settlement, and will give an idea of the sparse population of the territory...

No. 2. - William Zimmer, Peter Witeman, William Witeman, Jacob Witeman, Jun., Adem Witeman, Isaac Larrawey, Jacob Larrawey, Hendrick Dalle, Peter Zimmer, William Ball, William Snyder, Hendrick Ball, Jury Schribner, Christian Sant, Johannis Delrig, John Low.

No. 10. - John Enders, Ensign, Jacob Enders, William Enders, Jun., Major Jost Becker, Johannis Hott, George Schelman, Johannis Becker, Jacob Becker, William Becker, Jacob Zimmer, Jacob Schoolcraft, George Becker, Adem Zimmer, Hendrick Hitsman, Johannis Hitsman.

Roscoe, Section: Chapter 20:^[18]

HISTORY OF THE TOWN OF ESPERANCE

Lewis Morris' and A. Coeymans' grant of 1726, lying at Kneiskern's dorf is mostly in the town, also a portion of the Schoharie patent, purchased in 1714, by Myndert Schuyler and others, and surveyed in 1726, running north and south on the west of Ten Eyck's grant. Lawyer & Zimmer's second allotment of 1768 also takes in a portion of the town upon the west and north of Morris and Coeymans', while the 'Stone heap patent: of 1770 lies ot the north and west of it and extends into the county of Montgomery.

Roscoe, Section: Chapter 21:^[18]

'About the year 1740, there settled upon the farm now occupied by Christian Hilts, one Jacob Zimmer, who became connected with Johannes Lawyer, the second, in the purchase of large tracts of land, and was, at one time, a landed autocrat, being the possessor of at least ten thousand acres.

He became addicted to intemperate habits, and careless in business transactions, of which his partners took advantage, and obtained an assignment of all excepting a tract lying upon and around the present Zimmer hill. His shrewdness, only, saved it, which he divided among his heirs, with whom he lived during the latter part of his life. His sons were Adam, Peter, George and William, whose great-grandchildren occupy the land which he purchased at six-pence per acre, nearly one century and one-half ago.

Having now referred to the three families that first settled within the limits of the town, we will cast a glance toward the advancement made by them as pioneers in the year 1770. We find the three had united and built a sawmill upon Alexander Zimmer's present farm and tradition tells us the water-wheel was eight feet in diameter and the crank of the pitman was made of wood and it required two men to manufacture them to keep the mill running as there being a great deal of strain upon it, and the wood being green, they would soon twist off. If the stick from which it was hewn was tough, it might possibly last one day, but usually one half of that time.

Nothing of a warlike nature occurred here until the morning of July 26, 1782* [1781], the particulars of which we draw from 'Schoharie County and Border wars,'^[19] whose author was conversant with the patriots who were in the strife upon that day. We are also indebted to Gideon Becker a grandson of one of the actors, for location of events and the free use of ancient documents to substantiate dates and traditions. [*should be 1781 per Mark SULLIVAN;^[1] see his article "Foxes Creek Raid"].

On that eventful morning a band of Indians and Tories under the command of Adam Crysler, numbering twenty-five sallied out from Johannes Schaeffer's residence, where they had lodged a few days, to that of Jacob Zimmer [SR], nearly two miles distant and somewhat obscured from the main settlement, without being detected by the neighbors.

Zimmer [SR] and his son Peter were not at home, but the savage band found others to practice their cruelty upon in the person of Jacob Jr., and a Hessian that worked for the family. The former was tomahawked and scalped in the presence of his wife and mother, and the latter was killed a few rods from the buildings in a brutish manner by crushing the skull with a stone. Perhaps he was the first one attacked and that method was adopted not to apprise the family of their approach.

After setting fire to the house and barn they turned their course back to the Becker neighborhood. The barn was entirely consumed, but the house being built of stone, the two Mrs. Zimmers succeeded in extinguishing the fire. Peter, another son, went to the Beckers upon an errand that morning and upon his return was met by the party who took him prisoner. Upon his asking the leader if they saw his brother Jacob [JR], they replied they had left him home with the women, but ere they had marched to the Becker house, he recognized his brother's bleeding scalp dangling from an Indian's musket. ...

The party were guided by a Tory neighbor, whose intimacy with the Beckers and Zimmers has been very close [Adam CRYSLER, William CRYSLER, etc], both in a social and business point of view and without any aggravating interruption. It was but another example of the treachery the human heart is capable of practicing, when imaginary gain is to be enjoyed, and we find that at no period in the history of our country, was the art practiced so much as in the Revolutionary war. ...

'Just before Crysler,' continued the historian, 'and his murderers arrived at Major Becker's, Henry, his son, then nine years of age, Jacob Zimmer, Jr., ---nephew of the one murdered--- and several other boys about the same age, had been a little distance southeast of the house to drive hogs to a pasture.

'On their return, and when within ten or fifteen rods of the house, one of the boys said to the rest: 'See the riflemen over there; they are painted like the Indians!' The Schoharie rangers, when on a scout, were clad much like Indians, but young Becker instantly recognized the party to be a band of savages. A few rods above the house was a small island containing perhaps an acre of ground, separated from the bank southeast of the dwelling, by a deep pool of stagnant water, over which had been felled a tree. The enemy being upon the island, had either to make a circuit, or cross the log, which could only be done in single file. This gave the boys a little start, and they ran to the house shouting 'Indians! Indians!' ...

'The inmates of the house consisting of the three men named, Mrs. Becker, Mrs. Adam Zimmer, possibly one or two other women, and some eight or ten children, went upstairs. The Major took his station at the southwest corner window, which commanded the enemy's approach to his barn, assigned to Hutt the eastern gable windows, and to Schell, the northwest window opposite his own, which commanded their approach to the mill, which stood a few rods from the house upon the ground now occupied by the raceway of the present mill. The lower sash of the upper windows was also secured by plank. ...

Zimmer and Snyder were taken to Niagara, the former returned on parole while the latter enlisted in the British service to afford an opportunity to desert and return home as stated...

Roscoe, Section: Chapter 22:^[18]

HISTORY OF THE TOWN OF SCHOHARIE

The founder of Fox's dorf was one William Fox, who for reasons unknown to the writer, removed to Stone Arabia, then a part of Palatine, with several others about the year 1755 or 1760, where his descendants may still be found. In the beginning of the century his grandson removed to the town of Sharon, where he died in 1816 leaving a family of four sons, two of whom are still living at advanced ages bearing the impress of the early settlers, in form, muscle and longevity. The Snyder family we believe to be the only one of the original settlers of this dorf still remaining. There were the Akers, Funks, Werths, Kobells, Stahls, (Stalls) Mancks, (Monks) Hogebooms and perhaps many others in this settlement, but about the time Fox, the leader removed, they scattered here and there and gave place to others. The Beckers of the High Dutch branch and Zimmers were of a later date, and settled farther up the creek, but a few years previous to and after the Revolution they were owners of property in and around the dorf.....

We find upon the map of 1750, that two families by the name of Lawyer were residents here at that date, and the question that has puzzled the Lawyer family for years has been, 'To what branch do I belong?' All hold direct relationship to Johannes, the great land-holder; but who was he? Was he the first Lawyer that settled in the valley, or was he a son of the first? We have the wills of the three Johannes Lawyers, that followed each other in succession, giving the names of the children, and in comparing them with other records, we find that we have the lineage correct. It is evident that the first and only man by that name in America, settled in the Schoharie valley. The family has become numerous, extending over the whole United States, and all trace their lineage to the Lawyer of Schoharie. The progenitor of the family was Johannes Lawyer, a merchant of New York City, who came here as an Indian trader, and was commissioned to survey and do business for the Germans. The first notice of him in the valley, was in 1720. He was a German, coming from some place along the Rhine, and emigrated about the year 1710. He settled two of his sons -- Johannes, Jr., near the old parsonage, and Jacob Frederick, upon the Beller place, about the year 1718. After a few years he settled with Jacob Frederick and kept store, and died sometime between 1760, the date of his will, and 1765, the proving of it. He was buried in the Lutheran cemetery. He was a practical surveyor. ....

When Johannes, the 2d, received his rents and installments, it was the custom of the whole family to assemble and have a general time of feasting. A dividend was made, and each received their share, little caring for the splendor their income might grant them. We might here state, in part, to prove that the second Johannes was the large landholder; that nearly all of the purchases were made after the death of the first Johannes. The lot of land lying in Cobleskill, granted to Jacob Borst and Lawyer, and one in Seward, bearing the date of 1752 and 1761, were two exceptions. The large tract to the east of Schoharie was granted in 1768, also the one lying to the west of Morris and Coeymans, at Central Bridge, as the government did not allow any one person to 'take up' more than one thousand acres. Lawyer formed a partnership with thirty-six different men, and after receiving the grants, he purchased their interest at a nominal sum. One Zimmer was interested in many of the grants with Lawyer, and sold out to him for one thousand acres, which lay upon and around the present elevation that bears the name of 'Zimmer Hill.'

• ESPERANCE*^[20] - was formed from Schoharie, April 4, 1846...This town comprises the whole of Jacob Henry Ten Eyck's patent, surveyed Aug. 1761; a part of the Schoharie Patent, and a part of Sawyer & Zimmer's Second Allotment. The Stone Heap Patent lies partly in this town.

• MIDDLEBURGH*^[21]- was formed from Schoharie, March 17, 1797, as 'Middletown.' Its name was changed in 1801...The first settlements were made by Palatinates, in 1711.
  • This town [Middleburgh] comprises parts of Schoharie Patent, Lawyer's & Zimmer's 1st Allotment, Thos. Eckerson's, Becker & Eckerson's, Thos. & Cornelius Eckerson's, Clark's, Depeyster's, Vrooman's, John Butler's, Bouck's, Lawrence Lawyer's, Nicholas mattice's, and the Vlaie Patents.

• Towns of Schoharie County: extract of 'Wright':
  WRIGHT*^[21] - was formed from Schoharie, April 4, 1846. It is the N. town on the E. border of the co. Its surface is a hilly upland. The highest summits, along the S. line, are 600 to 800 ft. above the valleys. The principal stream is Foxes Creek, flowing N.W. through the center. The soil is a clay and gravelly loam. Gallupville, (p.v.,) near the center, contains 3 churches, 2 sawmills, tannery, carding machine, and 50 houses. Shutters Corners, (p.o.,) in the W. part contains a sawmill, gristmill, and 10 houses. Waldensville is a p.o., near the E. line. the town comprises the whole of several patents and parts of several others, principally granted from 1760 to 1770. The first settlement was made by Jacob Zimmer, near Gallupville, several years prior to the Revolution.** A stone house built by Johannes Becker, an early settler, was used as a fort during the war.*** There are 5 churches in town.
  • Named in honor of Gov. Silas Wright.
  • Among the early settlers were Johannes Becker, ___Shaffer, Frederick Dening, John Nashold, Frederick Beller, Christopher Shoefelt, and John Hilsley. Jacob Zimmer built the first gristmill, and Zimmer, Becker & Shaffer the first sawmill.
  • On the morning of July 26, 1782*, a band of tories and Indians appeared in the valley of Foxes Creek, murdered several persons, took some prisoners, and attempted to dislodge the inmates of the stone house, but failed. This house is still standing. [*per 'The Foxes Creek Raid' proof article by Mark Sullivan,^[1] the year should be 1781.]

The History of New York State: Book IX, Chapter VIII.^[22]

"Wright, erected April 4, 1846, from Schoharie, was settled first by Jacob Zimmer in 1735. After the defeat of General Burgoyne at Saratoga a number of his German troops stopped and located in this section. Gallupville is the principal village, received its name from a family who purchased the land on which the village is built, and who were largely responsible for its growth. Other hamlets are: Waldensville and Shutter Corners. Population, 1920, 833."

The Blue-Eyed Indians: The Story of Adam Crysler and His Brothers in the Revolutionary War;^[23] CHAPTER 4: THE BATTLE OF BECKER'S STONE HOUSE

"In July of 1782, Adam, with William Crysler and a small troop of Indians and Loyalists was sent on his last campaign to the Schoharie frontier to burn property and capture as many prisoners as possible. His first goal was to capture the rebel, George Warner Sr., at his log cabin near Cobleskill. George Sr. was not at home when they arrived so they contented themselves by taking his son, George Jr., prisoner.

"On the morning of July 26, 1782, Adam captured two more rebels, John Snyder and Peter Mann. They then attacked the home of Jacob Zimmer of Wright, near Foxes Creek. In the battle, Jacob Zimmer Jr. and a Hessian employee were killed. Peter Zimmer, a brother of Jacob Jr., was taken prisoner and the house and barn set afire. Mrs. Zimmer was allowed to remain at home and was able to put out the fire at the house after Adam's party left."

EARLY SETTLERS OF ESTATES^[24]

Schoharie County was formed as a seperate district in 1772,, and a County Apr. 6, 1795, from Albany County, In 1836 a small part of Green County was annexed, making 675 square miles containing 432,000 acres. Col. Nickolas Beard purchased the first land from the Indians in Schoharie and obtained a grant for it May 4, 1696. After a short time the Indians repudiated the sale and the grant was vacated in 1699. There was no other patent granted until Aug. 24, 1714 when Adam Vroman received a patent for 1400 acres of land in Town of Fulton.....

WRIGHT - The Town of Wright was formed Apr. 4, 1846 from Schoharie. The first settlers were Johanus Becker 1735, Jacob Becker 1735, John Schaeffer 1743, Christyan Hilts 1740, Jacob Zimmer 1740, Adam Zimmer 1740.William Zimmer 1740, John Joost Becker 1765, John Dominick 1760, Jurian Zimmer 1730, George Hilts 1750, Christyan Schell 1730, Jacob Schoolcraft 1730, Deabald Hilts 1730, Lorenzo Schoolcraft 1750, John Fredrick Carle Schell 1730. Jacob Becker 1769, Jacob Salsburg 1770, William Becker 1780, Mathias Flansburg 1770, John Nasholts 1782, Fredrick Beller 1782, Fredrick Daring 1782, John Hiltsley 1782, John George Spateholts 1779, Christopher Shoefelt 1782, Barrant Keenholts 1782. John Hutt 1780, Jehial Babcock 1781, Joseph Hunting 1785, Mathew Lawrence 1780, John Plank 1780, Stephen Lawrence 1780, Peter Wiltie 1794, Henry Warner 1797, John Snyder 1795, David Matice 1795, William Salsburg 1785, William P. Brown 1799, Fredrick Schaeffer 1785, George Spateholts 1807, Jacob H. Settle 1800, John Hunting 1801, Isaach Lounsbury 1800. Enoch Potter 1805, Ezra Gallup 1817, Isaach Barber 1812, Henry Rosecrans 1800, Hiram Waldron 1813, Fredrick H. Rosecrans 1800, Andrew Armstrong 1812. Griffen Whiple 1805, Robert Forsyth 1813, Abner Duel 1805, Philip Duel.1805, Erick Potter 1805, Jobe Trip 1810, Asa Abbott 1800, Christyan Keyser 1800, John Gage 1812, Peter Norman 1811. Peter Posson 1804, William Posson 1804, John Frink 1800, John Furk 1810, William Funk 1801, John Daring 1813.

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Tories

Zimmer Family, Schoharie County NYGenWeb Site (Reaver2704 added this on 17 Dec 2009)

armanda crandall originally submitted this to Wheeler-Jackson-Squires-Bonney-Newhard - Neff-Zimmer -Murray' BRIAR' on 6 May 2008

The year of 1781 versus 1782 has become significant to me in that there is a discrepancy in the telling of the Foxes Creek Raid that has come to light in my research. One or two of my ZIMMER clan were tomahawked, scalped and otherwise killed during this July 1781 raid in the Mohawk Valley; having a correct year of death is appreciated.

You have posted excellent resources from the authors SIMMS & ROSCOE that I found very helpful. But, the discrepancy over the YEAR of the raid comes to light from details presented by Mark Sullivan in his article "The Foxes Creek Raid." ^[1]

On a foggy Thursday morning of July 26, 1781, a party of Tories and Indians appeared at the house of Jacob Zimmer, sen., a stone house not far from the present day village of Gallupville. The house was occupied at the time by Mrs. Zimmer and Jacob Zimmer, Jr; Mr. Zimmer and his other son, Peter, were not at home. The enemy party was led by the Schoharie Tory, Adam Crysler, a Lieutenant in Butler's Rangers and the Six Nations Indian Department; also along were William Crysler, Peter Eckert and about 25 Indians, most of them formerly from Schoharie. Their mission: destruction. . . .

. . . Jeptha R. Simms in his History of Schoharie and in The Frontiersmen, the author states that Crysler's raid occurred in 1782. And every historian since has dated the raid in 1782. (There is even a historical marker near Major Becker's house listing the date as July 26, 1782.) But, on this occasion, Simms is mistaken. The raid took place in 1781.

Additional information about this story: HISTORY of SCHOHARIE COUNTY, and BORDER WARS OF NEW YORK; containing also A Sketch of the Causes which led to the American Revolution; and Interesting Memoranda of the Mohawk Valley; together with Much Other Historical and Miscellaneous Matter, Never Before Published, Chapter XVII^[19] 11:04, 30 March 2017 (EDT)Gragg-349

The National Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution Volume 75, page 325, Miss Mary Alice Zimmer. DAR ID Number: 74880. Born in Fulton County, N. Y.

• Descendant of Jacob Zimmer.
  • Daughter of Jacob Schoolcroft Zimmer and Alice Scoville, his wife.
  • Granddaughter of William P. Zimmer and Nancy Schoolcroft, his wife.
  • [p.325] Gr-granddaughter of William Zimmer and Nancy Weidman, his wife.
  • Gr-gr-granddaughter of Jacob Zimmer and Catharine Boter, his wife.

Jacob Zimmer (1722-82) served as a member of the Committee of Correspondence, Protection, and Safety in and for Schoharie County, his birthplace. He was killed by the Indians.^[25][26][27]

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1. ↑ ^{1.0 1.1 1.2 1.3 1.4 1.5} Sullivan, Mark. 'The Foxes Creek Raid,' Schoharie County Historical Review. Central Bridge, New York: Spring-Summer 1983, Pages 30-31. Transcription of Article
2. ↑ High and Low Dutch Reformed Congregation p. 331
3. ↑ High and Low Dutch Reformed Congregation p 26
4. ↑ High and Low Dutch Reformed Congregation p 28
5. ↑ High and Low Dutch Reformed Congregation p 31
6. ↑ ^{6.0 6.1} High and Low Dutch Reformed Congregation p 35
7. ↑ High and Low Dutch Reformed Congregation p 381
8. ↑ High and Low Dutch Reformed Congregation p 42
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10. ↑ ^{10.0 10.1} High and Low Dutch Reformed Congregation p. 52
11. ↑ ^{11.0 11.1} High and Low Dutch Reformed Congregation p. 57
12. ↑ ^{12.0 12.1} High and Low Dutch Reformed Congregation p. 60
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14. ↑ High and Low Dutch Reformed Congregation p. 94
15. ↑ High and Low Dutch Reformed Congregation p. 102
16. ↑ High and Low Dutch Reformed Congregation p. 110
17. ↑ Schoharie County NYGenWeb Site; Deaths and Burials in Schoharie County, NY. Original records of Henry Cady. Zimmer
18. ↑ ^{18.0 18.1 18.2 18.3} History of Schoharie County/
19. ↑ ^{19.0 19.1} Simms, Jeptha A. HISTORY of SCHOHARIE COUNTY, and BORDER WARS OF NEW YORK; containing also A Sketch of the Causes which led to the American Revolution; and Interesting Memoranda of the Mohawk Valley; together with Much Other Historical and Miscellaneous Matter, Never Before Published. Albany; Munsell & Tanner, Printers. 1845 Attached to Jacob Zimmer (1722 - 1781) https://sites.rootsweb.com/~nyschoha/simms17.html Chapter XVII]
20. ↑ Towns of Schoharie County
21. ↑ ^{21.0 21.1} Towns of Schoharie County
22. ↑ The History of New York State. Editor, Dr. James Sullivan. Lewis Historical Publishing Company, Inc., 1927. Transcribed by Holice B. Young. HTML by Debbie Axtman. This book is owned by Pam Rietsch and is a part of the Mardos Memorial Library. Schoharie County NYGenWeb Site (29 Sept 2006)
23. ↑ Chrysler, Don. The Blue-Eyed Indians: The Story of Adam Crysler and His Brothers in the Revolutionary War. Chrysler Books, 36920 Lakewood. Zephyrhills, FL 33541. copyright © 1999 by C. Donald Chrysler. This book is reprinted here (online) with the permission of C. Donald Chrysler
24. ↑ FROM THE RECORDS OF HENRY CADY OF SCHOHARIE, N.Y. - from the Historical Room of the Middleburgh Library - submitted to this page by Sylvia VanHouten, Middleburgh, NY
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• High and Low Dutch Reformed Congregation LDS Film No. 0534210 is Schoharie, High and Low Dutch Reformed Congregation, Schoharie, Schoharie, New York (Church Records, 1728-1892), Births or Christenings, 1728-1873 (or called Baptism & Births) by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.
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• Towns of Schoharie County Schoharie County NYGenWeb Site (29 Sept 2006). Towns of Schoharie County from Historical and Statistical Gazetteer of New York State by J. H. French, LL.D. - 1860

See Also:

• Wright Schoharie Co NY
• Wright Schoharie Co NY
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