Coronavirus as a Financial Contagion – Chinese Markets Suffer Steep Losses Upon Opening…

Even before the Coronavirus surfaced in China there was lower manufacturing factory activity within the Chinese economy.  The necessary response within China to control the spread of the Coronavirus has been to shut down most commerce.  Factories, schools &  businesses throughout China are empty as various containment measures are underway.

The direct result of this response is a severe drop in economic activity.  Many analysts are speculating about how this cessation of production might impact supply chains that use Chinese component goods.  Obviously, with manufacturing facilities closed any downstream multinational company relying on those products may have supply issues as soon as existing inventories deplete.

There is a natural lag before the manufacturing void hits the consumer market; however, the financial markets are forward looking and they are already reflecting severe drops in stock prices, depending on the dependency/exposure of the company and/or sector.

BEIJING/SHANGHAI (Reuters) – Chinese stock and commodity markets fell heavily on Monday as the death toll from a coronavirus epidemic in China rose to 361 and investors retreated into safe-haven assets in the first trading session after an extended Lunar New Year break.

Markets plunged at the open in their first session since Jan. 23, when the outbreak of the newly identified virus had claimed only 17 lives in Wuhan city, the epicenter of the outbreak, in Hubei province.

[…]  The Shanghai Composite index shed 8% to hit one-year low on Monday, wiping almost $370 billion off the market value, according to Reuters calculations.

The yuan began trade onshore at its weakest level this year. Iron, oil and copper traded in Shanghai all dropped by their daily limits, catching up with global price falls as the spread of the virus has weighed on the world’s growth outlook.

Investors were bracing for volatility when onshore trade in Chinese stocks, bonds, yuan and commodities resumed, following a steep global selldown on fears about the impact of the virus on the world’s second-biggest economy.

Looking to head off panic, China’s central bank injected 1.2 trillion yuan ($173.8 billion) of liquidity into the markets via reverse repo operations on Monday. (read more)

In a very ironic way, any company that readjusted their supply chain, during the two years of uncertainty over U.S. -vs- China trade discussions and tariffs, will likely be in a much better position than those companies who remained anchored to Chinese manufacturing dependency.

It is going to be interesting to see what the scale of these downstream economic effects are going to be.  Many multinationals have adopted very thin supply chains and use ‘just-in-time’ delivery for replenishment.  If those companies cannot get resupplied they will be at the greatest financial risk.

Simultaneously, there’s an ironic cover for China within the lack of economic activity.  Any pre-existing economic malaise or contraction can now be disguised by Beijing as the result of the current Coronavirus shut-downs.

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201 Responses to Coronavirus as a Financial Contagion – Chinese Markets Suffer Steep Losses Upon Opening…

  1. Roni says:

    Concerned how this will affect pharma med supply shipments to the US. China not only manufactures surgical masks, but a high percentage of vaccines, drug components as well.

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    • Maquis says:

      How stupid were those that set that dependency up?

      Liked by 25 people

      • David A says:

        Amazingly stupid. I heard 80% of our antibiotics come from China. This is insane for any nation to do, from any nation.

        Liked by 17 people

        • Roni says:

          And reportedly, 90% of vaccines.

          Liked by 1 person

          • WVPatriot says:

            Several decades ago, we were having Japan make the avionics for our warplanes…50 years before we were locked in WWII…I have no idea where they are manufactured today. Would anyone like to — hazard — a guess?

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            • zekness says:

              for large commercial aircraft the avionics computers (LRU’s) are THALES and ROCKWELLS COLLINS…these are the most widely used avionics gear for some of the most critical avionics technologies.

              The actual devices are manufactured here in the US, Canada, and the UK. There are some components that are manufactured in china, but nothing exotic that could not be manufactured here with a minimum of startup and production.

              The CODE…which is the most critical element..the software..that is exclusive and it’s not ever done or flashed to these computer by china or anywhere else other than the specific licensed manufacturing facilities or repair stations that are permitted to perform upgrades, testing, calibration and repairs.

              China with their new COMAC aircraft, soon to become a major player in global commercial aviation and a direct competitor to both Boeing and Airbus relies on both of the two avionics technology companies I mentioned above.

              Avionics, CAT 3 qualified, 25 plus years…almost every single type and class/variant.

              I wouldn’t worry about disruptions of avionics with china and this c-virus shutdown.

              What I would be worried about is global market taking huge hit if china does not resume manufacturing capacity very soon. That would likely start to impact pricing on many goods and thus the economic impact (think: medium weight recession of at least a year or two), will definitely have a trickle down impact on commercial airline travel..and not just to china….as the economy goes, so also does air travel too.

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          • decisiontime16 says:

            Vaccines from China. No wonder we have problems.

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          • fuzzi says:

            90% of vaccines from China may be affected? That might actually be beneficial to the USA.

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        • WVPatriot says:

          TWO THUMBS up, David.

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        • samwise163 says:

          You are correct…if not more. India has stepped up, but most ABXs as well as all RXs are from China. Look closely at bottles are ask your pharmacist where the generic comes from when you pick up your RX. Cash that check. They have been sending us contaminated products for years if not decades.

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      • Blind no Longer says:

        Yeah, how’s that Globalism working out for you?

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        • grumpyqs says:

          Globalism WAS working perfectly; as planned! We stay stupid, become dependent on Communist monopolies, believe the crap our corrupt paid politicians tell us, then send our kids off to far-off police actions that never end! Globalism is great; if you’re one of them, or, if you remain stupid and dependent on their monopolies. We voters screwed things up!

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          • truthseeker39525 says:

            Grumpy, I put a large part of the blame on the Entertainment (and so-called ‘News’) ‘industry’. Most people get their (mis)information from TV news, newspapers, late-night TV propaganda shows etc. Given the small amount of actual information presented by these media, it is no wonder that most Americans are so poorly informed.

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            • Sportyclays says:

              “It is no wonder that most Americans are so poorly informed”.
              Indeed. A snippet of MSNBC, a dash of CNN, and maybe a HuffPo article in the hands of a smug, arrogant lib who feels himself to be informed is an exceedingly dangerous thing.

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      • botchedcasuality says:

        How dim were we to allow it?
        But look the poli’s. Got rich!
        The down side of globalism, component dependency.

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      • Pegon Zellschmidt says:

        This is a bit dated but I’m sure it still applies. From Rush Limbaugh:

        “Do you remember something called the Clinton Government Vaccine Buying Program?

        It was sold to us as a way to get prices down and get more children vaccinated and, of course, to keep the evil drug companies from making a profit. The Wall Street Journal said, “Companies that decided to run these regulatory traps also know that they’ll be doing so for very little reward. Before her big health care reform crashed and burned in ’94, Hillary Rodham Rodham managed to get Congress to pass a government vaccine buying program for children. Her sales pitch was free vaccines for all kids and higher immunization rates. If we would give this stuff away, she said, more children would be immunized.”

        Thus, as a result of Hillary’s plan, the government now purchases about 60% of all pediatric vaccines, forcing huge discounts and imposing price caps. The manufacturers were told, ”You can only make so much profit, and you’re gonna make this amount, and we’re gonna give it away.”

        What all this did was screw up the whole private sector mechanism of manufacturing and distributing vaccines. In 2001, the private sector cost of immunizing children with the 20 recommended doses of vaccines was $600 per child. The government price was just $400 per child, with the vaccine makers swallowing the difference. What has this achieved? Vaccination rates for two-year-olds have stagnated at about 74% for the past several years while adult rates are significantly lower, and with the profit margin squeeze to practically zero, some manufacturers have simply said, “We’re not making the stuff anymore. It doesn’t make sense. We’ve got this government program that tells us the maximum we can charge, regardless what it costs to make, we’re going to be threatened with lawsuits the first time somebody gets sick for whatever vaccine. Screw it!”

        And that’s why American companies are out of the business and why we have to import vaccines from overseas, a combination of Hillary’s plan that put a cap on profits, put a cap on prices, and nothing to do with the manufacture price. You combine that with the fact that these manufacturers are subject to constant lawsuits and they said, “Screw it. We’re not going to make the stuff anymore,” and that’s why there is a shortage. This can be traced back to Hillary Clinton’s great sounding, compassionate idea, to make sure that every child had a flu shot and every child had a vaccination against various childhood diseases. Well, the fact is only 74% of kids do because there’s not enough vaccine. This is not the first real shortage, but because American manufacturers have thrown up their hands and said, “It makes no sense. We are in business, and we don’t give things away, and we’re certainly not going to take a loss on this.”

        So they just simply got out of the business.

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      • Caius Lowell says:

        The globalization, communist motto: Do unto others, then split…

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      • NIN JAH says:

        All by design. This was baked in years ago. #agenda2030

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    • CarolynH says:

      I have the same concern. We can live without widgets, but medications are a horse of another color. And, yes – it was stupid to move our drug manufacturing offshore, much less keep it there with all the reports of contamination.

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      • VoteAllIncumbantsOut says:

        REPO CRISIS!

        China is injecting $174 billion into their markets.

        This Coronavirus is a flu and statistically speaking only 2-3% die from a virus just like all flu viruses. This is not a pandemic nor is it bio-warfare, if it were, we’d see 30%+ die.

        This is the beginning of the Repo crisis, they are trying to stop the free market. I told everyone on here that January 18, 2020 was when things begin.

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      • Dutchman says:

        Virtually all HIV medications (71 different medications, IIRC) are made in INDIA.

        While they do have SOME issues with black market counterfeit meds, they are cracking down.

        So, india has the infrastructure, and the companies, to replace China, I believe.

        I agree our meds, and many other things SHOULD be made here, but China no longer supplying doesn’t neccesarily mean shortages.

        I have purchased meds from a reputable Indian pharmacy, meds were safe and efficatious,….and much less expensive, as well.

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      • The Demon Slick says:

        We don’t need anything from China. For instance, aspirin. Nobody makes it in the US. How come? Because it’s cheaper to get it from China. It’s not profitable to make it here. Change that. Guess what will happen? The market has a hole in it, and the invisible hand moves to fill it. Someone starts making aspirin in the US. The free market in action. The heart of conservativism. Expect a good and competent executive to pave the way by eliminating needless regulation.

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    • Santiago 1314 says:

      Fentanyl… Hope they are using on their Population… instead of sending it over here.!!!

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      • highlander says:

        I think it might be better at this point in time to think kind thoughts of/towards the Chinese people…. Their government might be scurrilous—the people as a whole are not. They did not ask for this, nor would they wish this on anyone else.

        God be with ALL of us as we grope our way towards an accurate understanding.

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        • David A says:

          Like //

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        • Tess from Philly says:

          Yes. It won’t be long until the Chinese government starts massacring its citizens. It’s what communists do. God bless the people of China. They need our prayers.

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        • David says:

          You obviously have never done business with the Chinese. They will lie , cheat , steal at every opportunity.

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          • highlander says:

            Yes, we say emphatically NO to lying, cheating, stealing–all the time, everywhere, no matter by whom. I am suggesting it is more beneficial to send loving & caring energy to the Chinese moms…dads…their children, grandma’s & pa’s…. all the victims of this horrific happening…

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          • highlander says:

            Yes, we say emphatically NO to lying, cheating, stealing–all the time, everywhere, no matter by whom. I am suggesting it is more beneficial to send loving & caring energy to the Chinese moms…dads…their children, grandma’s & pa’s…. all the victims of this horrific happening…

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    • lgbmiel says:

      As a pharmacy technician that was my first thought. How will this affect our dependency on the medications that are manufactured in China?

      We are already dealing with recalled medication from China over the past year – year & 1/2.

      We are too dependent on other countries for our medication. Not a good thing.

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    • sharon goodson says:

      As a national security issue IMO – meds should be made in USA. It is an automated process – no one is hand-rolling those pills. If the govt. can subsidize the “green energy” industry – then this should take priority over that.

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    • hangtownbob says:

      So…. Can the corona virus survive on various Chinese products exported to the U.S. and elsewhere??

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  2. clipe says:

    Civil unrest is just around the corner, See Hong Kong.

    Liked by 2 people

  3. Kaco says:

    I just commented on the other post.

    What about the goods coming from China? Di we know how long does the virus survive on surfaces?

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    • Kaco says:

      *Does anyone know how long the virus survives on surfaces?

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      • Maquis says:

        Been asking myself the same. Some pathogens are pretty hardy…

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      • A2 says:

        Fomites is an interesting problem. For this virus unknown so far. Standard disinfectants like dettol don’t work, only bleach and medical alcohol.

        For flu viruses, ‘ Flu viruses capable of being transferred to hands and causing an infection can survive on hard surfaces for 24 hours. Infectious flu viruses can survive on tissues for only 15 minutes.

        Like cold viruses, infectious flu viruses survive for much shorter periods on the hands. After 5 minutes the amount of flu virus on hands falls to low levels.

        Flu viruses can also survive as droplets in the air for several hours; low temperatures increase their survival in the air.

        Parainfluenza virus, which causes croup in children, can survive for up to 10 hours on hard surfaces and up to 4 hours on soft surfaces.’

        Common cold viruses can last on nonporous surfaces up to seven days.

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      • Joemama says:

        Posted on China Joe thread, but repeated here:

        I read an article that indicated that similar viruses could live about 3 to 4 days on dry surfaces. Most of the stuff from China is shipped, which takes about 3 days. Add in getting the containers on trucks/trains and ultimately into stores, it will probably take 4 minimum to a week or two before the stuff makes it to store shelves.

        I think we are OK in this regard.

        It appears that the fact that asymptomatic people can spread the disease is a much bigger concern. R0 = 4 according to an early unrefereed paper. That means the average infected individual will infect 4 more people.

        I still haven’t been able to find anything reliable on lethality. I have seen reports from 2% to 11% of the people being infected dying.

        The death comes from pneumonia that kicks in about 7 to 9 days after infection. Early symptoms are dry, unproductive cough, fever and sometimes diarrhea. Then comes the pneumonia.

        Apparently HIV antiviral drug treatments may help.

        It appears that early reports from India suggesting that this is an engineered weaponized corona virus with HIV RNA insertions is likely false.

        I’m not a doctor (but a person with a lot of technical training), but I have taken an interest in learning about this potential pandemic.

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      • JustScott says:

        No source given, supposedly from German researchers:
        “30 days in freezer
        6 days in fridge
        8 hours at room temp
        Bodies remain infectious after death!

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    • nimrodman says:

      Do we know how long does the virus survive on surfaces?

      I don’t, but I had the same concern during the ebola scare, particularly with respect to mass transit

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  4. A2 says:

    👇
    Separately, #China now exempting US imports key for epidemic control from retaliatory #tariffs. Customs Tariff Commission said Saturday tariffs canceled and taxes collected to be returned. Says policy aimed at boosting imports of necessary materials to curb spread of #WuhanVirus.

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    • A2 says:

      Jorge Guajardo
      @jorge_guajardo
      Thing to watch out for are countries putting export controls on these same products, for fear of facing outbreak with no sanitary materials. Also, China manufactures most of these products, they’re re-importing what they previously exported.

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  5. Maquis says:

    You snooze you lose, sneeze you lose too.
    Sucks to be a rapacious anti-patrotic corporate raider. 😈

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    • The chi coms just built a 1000 bed hospital/ morgue in a week, don’t worry about them and shortages. they simply have cities locked down therefore no deliveries. we get Snapchat shots of makeshift protective gear bc that’s what they currently have. Here in America we get a hurricane and the shelves are empty. Now think of those shelves w pandemic they don’t stay empty long. optics piss poor but this too shall pass

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  6. joeknuckles says:

    I have no doubt that Democrats are hoping for this outbreak to be devastating, both economic and otherwise, so they can use it against Trump. These people are sick.

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    • Roni says:

      Yep, they’ll move from Bolton to coronavirus in a nano second. The President called a meeting with the directors of all the health agencies, homeland security last week. He needs to remain focused on this.

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    • Seneca the Elder says:

      Joe- at this point, given their desperation to get rid of our President Trump and his supporters, nothing that the globalist elites do would surprise me.

      And that includes weaponizing a virus that would take down and/ or destabilize the stock market and world economy months before the election.

      Remember that these people still control an awful lot of power.

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  7. Jan says:

    And Joe Biden criticises the President for quarantines, limiting flights, etc., related to this virus as xenophobia, racism & worse.

    Biden isn’t qualified to lick my toenails, let alone run a country. None of the dimms are qualified either.

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  8. Deplorable_Infidel says:

    “Any pre-existing economic malaise or contraction can now be disguised by Beijing as the result of the current Coronavirus shut-downs”

    Just like the demoncRATS here, never let a good crisis go to waste.

    John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
    45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

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  9. Vince says:

    China is a big importer of oil. Oil tanker companies are already being affected by the quarantine, as the driving in China has gone way down. Oil tanker companies can be affected by economic downturns quickly, depending how their contracts are set up. Some tankers have long contracts at a set rate, while others ship on the spot market, which fluctuates wildly sometimes on supply and demand at any one time. One oil tanker company I watch hit a recent high early in January, and has lost about a third of its value as the virus spread.

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  10. CountryDoc says:

    Is it possible it could have been manufactured? Conspiracy theory making the rounds that the Gates foundation was involved. I’ve not seen any credible evidence.

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      • A2 says:

        The article was pulled by the authors. See below.

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      • CountryDoc says:

        This is concerning.

        I have been reading that Corona-viruses are common, making up about 20% of the common viruses we acquire in the country.

        This particular strain, however, has a unique binding site that combines to the same receptors as the HIV-1 virus (a different type of virus than Coronavirus).

        What is interesting is that this binding site hasn’t been seen on a Coronavirus before, and that its amino acid sequence is in 4 different sequences which are discontinuous, yet fold up in 3D to make up the structure of the binding site to which it attaches to the human host. The likelihood of this virus evolving naturally is “not fortuitous”.

        The epicenter of the virus is locked down, as is the city, and therefore under complete control from outside unbiased sources being able to study where it came from.

        The authors of the paper seem to be from New Dehli. There is one author that does not seem Indian (from Ottowa) but appears Indian in his picture. The study is funded by the authors, and permission to print granted to a separate company. It is NOT peer reviewed.

        The implication is that someone manufactured this virus — I will be interested to see who else studies the virus and their conclusions.

        Why would the virus be manufactured? I can think of several (all speculative) reasons.
        Less Chinese mouths to feed.
        An excuse for Communist leaders to explain economic failure.
        Population control
        Elicit sympathy for the Chinese

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        • Kaco says:

          Bioweapon unleashed in the USA. Bioweapon for Climate Change/Population Control fanatics. I’ve heard Bill Gates is a population control freak.

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        • lolli says:

          Country Doc👍
          Thank you for your input.

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        • Possible accidental virus escape from the lab. Maybe while testing a “vaccine strain”. Woops just a little mistake there. Try a google for “ACCIDENTAL EXPOSURE IN BIOSAFETY LABORATORIES” a report of mistakes up to 2004. Yes accidents still occur.

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        • Justin Burch says:

          For the umpteenth time, There is nothing special or unique about these binding sites this article references. All viruses that infect humans have to get into human cells. They ALL have common binding sites because they have to bind human cells. As for that article from India in one of the four cases that they claim to be HIV matching sites, the matching was less than 60%. The list of other known viruses that matched less than 60% runs into the hundreds. The article has been thoroughly discredited. It’s garbage. Just stop bringing it up. It only illustrates ignorance of basic biology.

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          • 4EDouglas says:

            Thank you, Justin-too many outside sources get out the tin foil on subjects like this with little or no expertise in the field themselves. More Art Bell than Alexander Graham Bell.

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          • Viruses have to enter cells to replicate but different viruses use different receptors to gain access to different cell types (viral tropism). Not all cells express the binding site for the virus (ligand) and not all cells express the necessary enzymatic environment for the virus to replicate. The HIV virus has GP 120 on the surface that binds to the CD-4 receptor primarly found on CD4+ T-cells but also on macrophages and some monocytes. HIV takes out the Cd4+T-cells and destroys tha addaptive immune response. The main receptor for SARS-CoV is the angiotensin converting enzyme 2 (ACE2) found mainly in the type I and II alveolar epithelial cells in the lung as reported also for 2019-CoV. SARS and 2019-CoV raise havoc in the lungs. Also other tissue that has ACE2 receptor but not T-cells.

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          • CountryDoc says:

            Mr. Birch: patient’s my brother. This is a community site. We grow smarter and we understand truth faster working collectively than we do as individuals.

            This is the first time I had come across this article. I initially threw the question out there. All of us are smarter in some areas than others. If you are blessed to have a little bit more knowledge on one subject, you will be a much more effective teacher if you have some patience with those who are still Inquisitive about something they profess ignorance in.

            If you wanted to be a real teacher, you could kindly leave us some links where we could learn further and share those links with others faster than you can from your impatient perch

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    • Somebody says:

      I don’t think the Gates foundation angle has any veracity. I know someone that was a research specialists (specifically medical research) for years with the GF, until 2013. If they are into spreading viruses and mayhem then that’s a new path for them.

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  11. A2 says:

    Most analysts who know the PRC have recognised the structural problems with the economy and the slowdown of growth that began years before the so-called trade war. The CCP keeps trying the same old remedies, but the have run out of juice. The debt overhang is too great relative to GDP.

    Trade war was an flection point; ASF devastating their pork supplies, now the Wuhan virus and as notified recently, bird flu is back meaning the culling of poultry stocks.
    👇
    Eunice Yoon
    @onlyyoontv
    #China’s top financial authorities pledging to ramp up #financial support during #WuhanVirus outbreak. Central bank- with finance ministry, bank and securities regulators- urging banks to be more flexible with companies suffering from epidemic and to prepare to lend more. #stocks

    👇

    曾錚 Jennifer Zeng
    @jenniferatntd
    Notice about stock market in #China. No one is allowed to sell when the market resume on Feb. 3. Biding price to be controlled before opening, no net sell before Feb. 7. Needs special permission for sales over 10M yuan. #CCP fearing market crash #Coronavirus

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    • railer says:

      Oh my, your last point is chilling, to the Masters of the Universe, that is. They flew home on their private jets post-Davos, and the first thing they read is this.

      It all looked so promising to them, 20 years ago. “Let’s go to China, it’s the future.” Today, not only are they seeing their mistake, but their cash is being locked up over there as we speak.

      Gee, I wonder where all the foreign investment will be going now?

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  12. The Devilbat says:

    A scientific report from the Kusuma School of Biological Sciences in New Delhi, India, proves beyond any and all doubt that the Coronavirus is a man-made bioweapon.

    Researchers have found that a killer airborne flu virus had the HIV gene added to it. This makes it completely impossible for it to have been a mutation that was spread by eating infected animals.

    I have added a link to download a PDF copy of the full scientific report from the Indian scientists. It is highly technical but it contains enough plain language especially toward the end that anyone should understand. Show the report to your doctor and ask them what they think?

    This virus has NOTHING to do with eating bats!!! It escaped from a Chinese bioweapons lab in Wuhan that is the only level four biolab in all of China. Now you see why they refused President Trump’s offer for help.

    DOWNLOAD THE REPORT HERE:

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.30.927871v1.full.pdf

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    • David A says:

      ,@ devilvat, simply not true. Read the comments at the end of the published paper. Numerous common items could match those 4 short sequences. We simply do not know yet.

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      • CountryDoc says:

        David A: “numerous common items could match those 4 sequences”

        I didn’t read it that way. The sequences are found on other viruses (HIV-1, SARS), but they didn’t feel they should evolve naturally. Nor be transferred easily to this coronavirus. Where did you see that — I may have missed it.

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    • Dennis Leonard says:

      The report did not mention this ,or did I miss something,
      “This virus has NOTHING to do with eating bats!!! It escaped from a Chinese bioweapons lab in Wuhan that is the only level four biolab in all of China. Now you see why they refused President Trump’s offer for help. “

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    • A2 says:

      I posted this article on an earlier thread with a warning; it was not peer reviewed.

      Having said that, my experience with SARS gives me confirmation bias it may be true.

      My post:

      A2 says:
      February 2, 2020 at 8:39 pm
      Research paper by Indian scientists on coronavirus fuels bioweapon theoriesThe research paper by IIT Delhi, DU scientists was uploaded on January 31 on bioRxiv

      However the paper was not peer reviewed

      https://www.theweek.in/news/sci-tech/2020/02/01/research-paper-by-indian-scientists-on-coronavirus-fuels-bioweapon-theories.html

      the PRC has said they are using anti HIV drugs and many countries have tried this along with other drugs targeting flu. The US report I cited on the previous page of the treatment of the first case in the US used drugs used against Mers, SARS and Ebola, along with other drugs.

      Link here.

      https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2001191

      👉The article has been pulled by the authors btw.👈🏼

      👇

      Cocktail of flu, HIV drugs appears to help fight coronavirus: Thai doctors

      Excerpt:

      ‘The doctors from Rajavithi Hospital in Bangkok said a new approach in coronavirus treatment had improved the condition of several patients under their care, including one 70-year-old Chinese woman from Wuhan who tested positive for the coronavirus for 10 days.

      The drug treatment includes a mixture of anti-HIV drugs lopinavir and ritonavir, in combination with flu drug oseltamivir in large doses.

      “This is not the cure, but the patient’s condition has vastly improved. From testing positive for 10 days under our care, after applying this combination of medicine the test result became negative within 48 hours,” Dr. Kriangska Atipornwanich, a lung specialist at Rajavithi, told reporters.‘

      https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-thailand/cocktail-of-flu-hiv-drugs-appears-to-help-fight-coronavirus-thai-doctors-idUSKBN1ZW0GQ

      However, there is a thread here:

      SCINQ Asia

      Both HIV drugs target enzymes, in this case HIV protease that is responsible for peptide formation. HIV is a retrovirus meaning it works backwards from RNA, not DNA. 2019-nCoV is a RNA virus. I’m guessing if the HIV drugs have some effect on coronavirus proteases,

      there must be some similarity in the way their proteases ‘ active site is shaped. the inhibitor essentially fits in the ‘enzymes’ and doesn’t allow it to be activated. The drugs do not target the outside receptors that people claim are engineered. It’s important to note that. 2

      So just because the drugs may show some efficacy does not validate the theory that there are HIV snippets in the coronavirus spike. Hope that helped‘

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      • meow4me2 says:

        Thank you, good comment. Lots of drugs have activity at multiple sites against multiple mutants, foreign agents and normal cells. They just need to bind effectively to work. That doesn’t mean one virus is a derivative of the other. It just means they have sites the drug can bind to.

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        • meow4me2 says:

          And to further clarify, just because a drug binds, doesn’t mean it is effective. It needs to have a positive effect, like inhibiting some activity (prevent virus from replicating, for example) or boosting some activity (like the death cycle for the virus).

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    • Justin Burch says:

      Again and I repeat myself: For the umpteenth time, There is nothing special or unique about these binding sites this article references. All viruses that infect humans have to get into human cells. They ALL have common binding sites because they have to bind human cells. As for that article from India in one of the four cases that they claim to be HIV matching sites, the matching was less than 60%. The list of other known viruses that matched less than 60% runs into the hundreds. The article has been thoroughly discredited. It’s garbage. Just stop bringing it up. It only illustrates ignorance of basic biology.

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      • Justin please provide your CV so we can know you speak with authority. Otherwise you are just another opinion.

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      • 4EDouglas says:

        Justin-what is also true is viruses are fully capable of mutating on their own. all this hand wringing bout Labs, and Bats and Wolves (Oh MY!) is not helping. Common sense it welcome here..
        I think..

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        • 4EDouglas says:

          BTW those who doubt Justin also Doubt me-i have degree in Biology. I have had classes in Epidemiology and Microbiology.years ago, but he’s right..

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          • lolli says:

            Thank you for your credentials, 4eDouglas,

            Treeper 🇺🇸 Country Doc really is a Doctor, so I think he is qualified as well.
            A2 has local information, another Treeper I am watching regarding this virus.

            I am trying to read and learn and listen to all arguments posted.

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            • trapper says:

              I lapse from time to time, but one of the filters I generally apply is that if Sundance has not put an article or theory up as its own thread it remains unvetted and suspect. Still, the bigfoot type theorizing on some crackpot sites can be entertaining.

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        • Justin Burch says:

          Yes, these viruses keep mutating and yes they could go crazy ugly yet. However they haven’t in this case. What those researchers did can be thought of like this. I am examine all people moving machines on the market to see if the Ford F150 is responsible for problems with a Boeing 747 engine. Look at how the seats in the F150 have the same general shape as the seat in Boeing 747. We’ve got a good match, both have backs, head rests and seats. Wow the Ford F150 is causing the problems in the Boeing 747. My credentials are an undergraduate degree in Biochemistry and a PhD in the field of Bioinfomatics, specifically genetics. The HIV drugs likely work in part because they affect the immune system and viral replication in a general way.

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  13. billmonnie says:

    Amazon listed surgical masks at at price point of $99.99 for 250 masks with a delivery date in March 2020. The shipping charge was $800.00 Tough times ahead for China……

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    • Roni says:

      Amazon has been out of masks for 2 weeks. .
      Tough times maybe for US because we import medical supplies (incl. drugs) from China.

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      • John Carifidy says:

        True statement, Roni. Tough times for hospitals and clinics ahead. Brother in law is a big wheel at hospital/clinic supply company, and has been in meetings for the last week. His company receives many (if not most) goods from China ranging from syringes to bed sheets; all are being disposed of. No word when, how or from where these goods will be replaced.

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  14. so they gonna back out of the phase 1 deal?

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    • abdiesus says:

      Don’t think they can back out completely as they need our ag products: their #1 meat pork is decimated by swine flu, so they need our pork, and now their #2 meat poultry is getting hit with H5N1 bird flu, also they need our soybeans too. of course depending upon the commodity, I doubt there was never really any confidence on the part of Trump that they would live up to this deal any more than any other deal in the past. But I think they will need to buy our ag products, which is good for our farmers, regardless of whatever else they fail to buy that they said they would buy.

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      • CountryDoc says:

        Good they still need our Ag products, but if they fail to deliver goods we need at fair prices and we try to instill higher Tarriffs, they will put on Sick poor nice panda face, and big bad U.S. is sticking it to this poor sick country, to swing public support against POTUS leverage to them.

        It is a viable strategy with U.S. compared to their current screwed state prior to the (possibly manufactured corona virus). We must not forget how China has been sticking it to us via the Globalists enablement.

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      • Dutchman says:

        The concern isn’t so much that China will reneg on promises to purchase, I think.
        That is secondary to the concern they will reneg on IP theft, etc.

        Unless they cheat, they can not compete.

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  15. David A says:

    Yes it is possible, but not likely as a bio-weapon. No antidote, killing your own, targeting your own people’s racial genetics. Rapid mutation.

    They could have been working with animals for antidotes. A lead virologist from Wuton was perhaps the leading researcher on bats. Bats survive all sorts of diseases that kill us. Something in their system stops the immune response from overreacting, the primary cause of death. So they may have gotten careless with their research.

    Or it developed naturally.

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    • Roni says:

      Senator Cotton seemed skeptical about reports the virus developed in the food market. He wants to know if the virus was introduced into the food market.

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  16. A2 says:

    This article sums up my personal experience. I’m having a laugh, because it is so true. The stories I could tell…

    ‘Chabuduo! Close enough …
    Your balcony fell off? Chabuduo. Vaccines are overheated? Chabuduo. How China became the land of disastrous corner-cutting‘

    Excerpt:

    ‘ In our apartment in central Beijing, we fight a daily rearguard action against entropy. The mirror on my wardrobe came off its hinges six months ago and is now propped up against the wall, one of many furnishing casualties. Each of our light fittings takes a different bulb, and a quarter of them are permanently broken. In the bedroom, the ceiling-high air-conditioning unit runs its moisture through a hole knocked in the wall, stuffed with an old cloth to avoid leakage, while the balcony door, its sealant rotted, has a towel handy to block the rain when it pours through. On the steps outside our door, I duck my head every day to avoid the thick tangle of hanging wires that brings power and the internet; when the wind is up, connections slow as cables swing.’….

    Read the rest here:

    https://aeon.co/essays/what-chinese-corner-cutting-reveals-about-modernity

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    • Guyski says:

      I have also noticed this. The stuff from China is getting crappier and crappier. 🤔

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      • Dutchman says:

        Same kind of stories were common in the USSR. CONMUNISM creates this ‘entropy’
        where “not my job” becomes the way it is, and people get usdd to make do and prop it up.

        Reagan said he knew he could collapse,Soviet Union when he read about WHEAT.

        They grew more than enough wheat. But the trucks they transported it to the granaries, weren’t tarped. Lost 1/2 their harvested wheat, transporting it, every year.
        Farming co-op; not OUR job to tarp trucks.
        Transportation coordinator; I have filled out forms, requesting tarps every year.
        Granary operator; NOT my job!

        A natural result of Conmunism.

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      • 4EDouglas says:

        Notice dthat in Chinese made aircraft, too.. was at an airshow where a Russian MiG, Polish MiG, Czech Yak , and Chinese Yak were setting together..
        1.Russian MiG- good where it counted not so hot in areas of buttons, knobs and switches.
        2.Polish MIG- old world craftsman ship wing joints and skin superb, clear canopy,
        leather lining of cockpit padding.
        3. Czech Yak- same- hand laid flush rivets, perfect metal work.
        4. Chinese Yak- rivet lines crooked, blurry canopy-and the propeller blades were held on by what appeared to be hose clamps!
        Obvious philosophy-“Close enough for government work-and we are not going to run out of Chinese any time soon..”

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  17. jonhabart says:

    China: We win, you get the flu.

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  18. Brion Mitchell says:

    I had to shift some stuff to China during Barakanahten’s reign to stay competitive. He shut down so many foundries that I could not get castings. Shifting some back, but it takes time to build new molds and proof them out. It’s not as simple as some think. We are a small business and still make a lot of things in US. We’ll see how it goes. It is expensive to move Supply chains.

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  19. Sherri Young says:

    The guy who does my hair and his wife traveled to Hong Kong to visit family in November and December. Some of the relatives took them over to Wuhan to eat dishes concocted from wild animals. They visited the big fish market that seems to be important in this epidemic. Even though it is a fish market, there are all sorts of meat, some of which my hair guy considered inedible. You could buy bats there. You walked past live poultry in cages.

    He said that every so often, you would see somebody spit on the floor/ground at that market. The government over there has recently issued a request that people wait to dispose of their used masks in their own trash at home. The hair guy says that is probably because there are garbage pickers who go through trash receptacles to find items they can recycle and use or sell — like styrofoam cups. He said that what has been considered fun recently is for a large number of people to use the Chinese equivalent of WhatsApp and arrange a time to throw open the windows and loudly sing (the national anthem, I think). If that causes coughing, it is to the outside air onto the street.

    He encountered a man who was coughing without making any effort to cover his mouth and spat on the floor in an airport over there. After the hair guy complained to the man and started to walk away, the man spat on the side of his face.

    One of his cousins has a residence in China and spends much of his time in Taiwan. Since this outbreak, the cousin is stuck in China and not allowed to enter Taiwan.

    The hair guy and his wife have been back in Texas since before any of this coronavirus outbreak started. All the same, his wife ordered a case of 1,000 masks. They are on back order.

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    • A2 says:

      Sanitation and hygienic practices are as rare as hen’s teeth in the PRC.

      Hong Kong on the other hand is almost pathologically concerned with hygiene.thats one of the legacies of Colonial Public Health.

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  20. Sherri Young says:

    Oh yeah, and the hair guy told me the chinese stock market would open down, big time.

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  21. Fools Gold says:

    I’m very familiar with just in time mfg. . It works very well but until buyers run out of money or everyone in the factory gets deathly ill. It also doesn’t help at all if a caterpillar runs over your factory and flattens it such as MEGA/MAGA train that runs straight thru the factory rail system destroying its delivery tracks. Making matters worse are the tired overworked workers drinking shit and piss water and smelling it down the nostrils day in and day out along with other toxins. Perhaps this should all be called the carnivorous virus or the curse of God for forsaking them. First it’s their foul, then their swine and grain. I’m beginning to wonder if we’ll ever see those billions for clean food and water that might be required next. Do those filter mask really work that great? 🤔🤢

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  22. A2 says:

    👇👇

    Two reliable studies published recently about the Wuhan virus. Read them.

    Nowcasting and forecasting the potential domestic and international spread of the 2019-nCoV outbreak originating in Wuhan, China: a modelling study

    Prof Joseph T Wu, PhD *
    Kathy Leung, PhD *
    Prof Gabriel M Leung, MD
    Show footnotes
    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30260-9/fulltext

    The other is in the New England Journal of Medicine about the first US case.

    First Case of 2019 Novel Coronavirus in the United States

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2001191

    There will be others.

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    • Fools Gold says:

      Thanks. Great info. The data seems to support a a major risk for those who smoke, suffer from COPD or any lung diseases. Guess will be here more soon. Anyway, if I’ve kept up correctly with A2, your living arrangement might have you a little on edge. I probably would be too if I had those pre-existing lung conditions.

      Over here we got a emergency declaration(?) but no one is paying any attention to “fake news”….seriously!

      Again Thanks for the links. Take care!

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      • A2 says:

        I was invited to give two lectures at HKU on the subject. Going to give it a pass. I feel bad about it, but exposure to public transport and the known unknowns, it’s not worth it.

        I live in a remote village. Too much public transport involved. I will email my lectures and not copasetic , but may suffice.

        The recent data is too concerning.

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  23. JustScott says:

    Best information I have found is Dr. John Campbell’s video from 36-ish hours ago. Havent had a chance to watch most recent. 2 day old video gives a primer on the technical language.

    1 day old video analyzes the timelines and contaigeon of the German cases. Strongly recommend.

    His channel: https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCF9IOB2TExg3QIBupFtBDxg

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  24. Mike in a Truck says:

    The final insult to God is when the Red Chinese rewrote the Bible. Sometimes punishment happens not with fire and brimstone but with a microscopic bug. Unfortunately the rest of the world will share in that punishment. These communists gotta go man, they gotta go.

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  25. nwtex says:

    “…BuzzFeed said Zero Hedge had released the personal information of a scientist from Wuhan in an article that made allegations about coronavirus having been concocted ‘as a bioweapon.
    The article was titled ‘Is This The Man Behind The Global Coronavirus Pandemic?
    A Buzzfeed news reporter writes that ‘the scientist’s name, photo, email, and a telephone number are being spread across American social media…”

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  26. Beth says:

    China Syndrome 2.0

    Talk is that is was created as a bio weapon…in a lab one of the biggest labs in China, just outside of Wuhan City.
    Somehow it escaped the test tube.

    That’s the coverup.

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    • A2 says:

      A2 says:
      February 3, 2020 at 1:09 am
      I posted this article on an earlier thread with a warning; it was not peer reviewed.

      Having said that, my experience with SARS gives me confirmation bias it may be true.

      My post:

      A2 says:
      February 2, 2020 at 8:39 pm
      Research paper by Indian scientists on coronavirus fuels bioweapon theoriesThe research paper by IIT Delhi, DU scientists was uploaded on January 31 on bioRxiv

      However the paper was not peer reviewed

      https://www.theweek.in/news/sci-tech/2020/02/01/research-paper-by-indian-scientists-on-coronavirus-fuels-bioweapon-theories.html

      the PRC has said they are using anti HIV drugs and many countries have tried this along with other drugs targeting flu. The US report I cited on the previous page of the treatment of the first case in the US used drugs used against Mers, SARS and Ebola, along with other drugs.

      Link here.

      https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2001191

      👉The article has been pulled by the authors btw.👈🏼

      👇

      Cocktail of flu, HIV drugs appears to help fight coronavirus: Thai doctors

      Excerpt:

      ‘The doctors from Rajavithi Hospital in Bangkok said a new approach in coronavirus treatment had improved the condition of several patients under their care, including one 70-year-old Chinese woman from Wuhan who tested positive for the coronavirus for 10 days.

      The drug treatment includes a mixture of anti-HIV drugs lopinavir and ritonavir, in combination with flu drug oseltamivir in large doses.

      “This is not the cure, but the patient’s condition has vastly improved. From testing positive for 10 days under our care, after applying this combination of medicine the test result became negative within 48 hours,” Dr. Kriangska Atipornwanich, a lung specialist at Rajavithi, told reporters.‘

      https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-thailand/cocktail-of-flu-hiv-drugs-appears-to-help-fight-coronavirus-thai-doctors-idUSKBN1ZW0GQ

      However, there is a thread here:

      SCINQ Asia

      Both HIV drugs target enzymes, in this case HIV protease that is responsible for peptide formation. HIV is a retrovirus meaning it works backwards from RNA, not DNA. 2019-nCoV is a RNA virus. I’m guessing if the HIV drugs have some effect on coronavirus proteases,

      there must be some similarity in the way their proteases ‘ active site is shaped. the inhibitor essentially fits in the ‘enzymes’ and doesn’t allow it to be activated. The drugs do not target the outside receptors that people claim are engineered. It’s important to note that. 2

      So just because the drugs may show some efficacy does not validate the theory that there are HIV snippets in the coronavirus spike. Hope that helped‘

      Beth and others, we may only go on the evidence so far. If the Wuhanvirus is the product of a lab leak, we need to wait for evidence. Very murky so far.

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      • Justin Burch says:

        The matching rate on that Indian researchers paper indicates that article is garbage, total garbage. They just plugged four sequences into the NCBI database and scanned down the list of partial matches until they could see HIV. Matching was ridiculously low. This is what happens when you take someone ignorant of statistics and give them a database and a computer to play with. (Climate change alarmists take note.)

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        • 4EDouglas says:

          Glad you brought climate change up- a good example of torturing statistics until they scream for mercy…
          I was a NOAA certified Weather observer for a couple of commuter airlines back in the 70’s -my data for E-Washington and oregon (I’m not alone) has been ‘disappeared ”
          Nothing has happened before the Satellite era.

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          • Justin Burch says:

            Climate change alarmists appear to have never learned anything about ascertainment bias and confounding factors either. But then I’m just one of those denialists in pay of big oil.

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  27. TwoLaine says:

    As always, President TRUMP was right. How Many times has he said, “GET OUT OF CHINA”?

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    • Maquis says:

      Often enough that I feel no pity for those about to lose their shirts.

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      • TwoLaine says:

        Same here. Zero. Zip. Nada.

        Just as I have no sympathy for Bernie or his Bros for being shut out of the DIM nomination process again. Bernie because he’s in this for the cash, and the Bros because they did not learn their EXPENSIVE lesson last time.

        They went to court on this already and lost. The The DIMs can pick anyone they want, however they want. PERIOD.

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  28. 13wasylyna says:

    80,000 Americans died from the flu in 2018 according to CDC….there was no hue and cry…no closing of borders no hysteria…..is this a wag the dog disease meant to distract….remember Ebola and Zika hysteria…hmmmmm

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  29. lolli says:

    Just a local article regarding Lackland AFB being designated as a quarantine center.
    Glad locals are asking questions, but it doesn’t matter.
    “We are the government, and we are here to help”

    https://www.kens5.com/article/news/health/lackland-air-force-town-halls-designated-quarantine-site-coronavirus-outbreak/273-afe02527-2b19-434a-a1ce-eb521a9bba25

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  30. youme says:

    Track of the daily #coronavirus case data coming out of China:

    docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VEEcIEAKCgew2i8a3Ol_nKbEqWJnPkdXlIjAD9g19YA/edit#gid=1639656880

    The primary source can be found here:

    http://www.nhc.gov.cn/xcs/yqtb/list_gzbd.shtml

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  31. Chuck says:

    So in the last year or so we see Chinese citizens clamoring for more freedom through demonstrations and protests. The Chinese government starts to take violent means to stop them. This doesn’t sit well with the international community. China suddenly contracts a “dangerous virus” and shuts down schools, businesses and travel. Protests and the violence used to stop them fall out of the news. Unruly citizens can’t travel, work or earn an income. Chinese people will suffer till they get back in line.
    Reminds me of the saying ” The beatings will continue till moral improves”.
    Meanwhile the puppets of China, US politicians, will pass legislation to provide millions of mostly unaccountable US taxpayer dollars to “help” Communist China fight and contain this evil sickness. Some of this money will circle back to these same politicians. Then the virus will disappear from the news. Gone before the end of Spring.
    China will lose a statistically insignificant portion of their population. Those pesky freedom seeking people will have to get back in line for a while. US politicians can take a pat on the back for their compassion and moral superiority but hey, don’t pay any attention to the larger than normal PAC funds and wealthy family members.

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  32. Blind no Longer says:

    For anybody who hasn’t read the article on the Epoch Times, IT IS A MUST READ!!!
    https://www.theepochtimes.com/did-chinas-plan-to-destroy-the-united-states-backfire_3223117.html

    From the article:
    “We are not as foolish as to want to perish together with America by using nuclear weapons,” said the general. “Only by using non-destructive weapons that can kill many people will we be able to reserve America for ourselves.” The answer is found in biological weapons. “Of course,” he added, “we have not been idle, in the past years we have seized the opportunity to master weapons of this kind

    I am leaning to this way of thinking. I would not put it past the Chinese government to plan to control their population and destroy our economy if they see their economy going down! But hey you Dem idiots, keep yelling Russia, Russia, Russia, while the Chinese are taking over the damn world!!!

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    • lolli says:

      👍Blind no Longer,
      Thanks for the link.
      Interesting and not at all surprising.

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      • Blind no Longer says:

        YW lolli. I find Ben Tallmadge’s twitter is a wealth of info regarding this.

        “In the long run,” said Gen. Chi, “the relationship of China and the United States is one of a life-and-death struggle.” This tragic situation must be accepted. According to Gen. Chi, “We must not forget that the history of our civilization repeatedly has taught us that one mountain does not allow two tigers to live together.”

        Interesting statement by the Chinese General…However, we have a Lion in the White House, not a tiger.

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        • lolli says:

          Yes, Blind no Longer, I noticed that statement and have no doubt it is true. It is the mindset.
          Agree on our Lion. No one I would trust more to be at the helm.

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    • Maquis says:

      FTA- “Only countries like the United States, Canada, and Australia have the vast land to serve our need for mass colonization.”

      Considering that neighboring Russia’s vast largely unpopulated and unexploited resource rich territories were taken from China itself, I find it curious that China feels it must destroy other continents to colonize them instead. Then again, I suppose it’s much like how we are Iran’s “Great Satan,” we are the chief impediment to all other conquests.

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  33. Maquis says:

    In typical despot style, the CCP is not exactly covering itself in glory in Wuhan. Seems they are left to shift for themselves and their pleas for help are more concerning to the regime than their citizens’ plight.

    https://fr.theepochtimes.com/aidez-nous-les-habitants-de-wuhan-demandent-de-laide-de-linterieur-de-la-ville-fermee-1228278.html

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  34. TradeBait says:

    “Simultaneously, there’s an ironic cover for China within the lack of economic activity. Any pre-existing economic malaise or contraction can now be disguised by Beijing as the result of the current Coronavirus shut-downs.”

    Yep – intentionally. One big disgusting false flag. Without God, mankind is easily and evilly ensnared by Satan. Just like the Democrat Party.

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  35. NoFixedAddress says:

    “How Dare You?” America.

    How Dare You impose tariffs on The Middle Kingdom?

    We’ll show you!

    We will shut down our entire country and ‘stuff’ you Trump.

    We do not care how many must die to prove our strength.

    Gotta love it!

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  36. lolli says:

    International Society for Infectious Diseases reports can be found here. Seems to update a couple of times a day. There is a report on 2 CA cases.

    https://promedmail.org/

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  37. NightFlight says:

    I had to log in to post this white paper from an Indian biolab that has evaluated this strain of coronavirus. This virus was created and not a natural evoultion.

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.30.927871v1.full.pdf

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  38. lfhbrave says:

    On Friday, U.S. announced restriction on entry into U.S. of anyone who traveled to China during the past 14 days. However, the restriction took effect two days later on Sunday, 5 pm. It effectively gave people in China two days to rush into the U.S. Apparently that was what happened.

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  39. StuckInBlue says:

    I’m only in this thread for the rumors today.

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  40. GB Bari says:

    This does not look like China has this anywhere under control. This reeks of desperation.

    http://stateofthenation.co/?p=5561

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    • lolli says:

      GB Bari,
      Thanks for link.
      Yes, some of the reports I have read coming out of China suggest it is almost impossible to even see anyone at a hospital, too full. We have no idea what the real numbers are at this time, IMO.

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  41. deepdivemaga says:

    Shanghai drops 8% in a day.

    DOW meanwhile is up 350 points.

    Confused, I am.

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    • youme says:

      The reality is that Central Banks are the true danger…wishing people notice this….

      “Have you noticed that in the central banking world there is no difference in action between supposed communist or supposed capitalism regimes? Constant bail outs, constant intervention, the only variable being the degree of intervention at any given time, for whatever reason.

      How is the PBOC doing anything different than the US Fed? Cut rates, repo, liquidity injections, it’s all the same script. The BOJ buys ETFs, the SNB buys US FAAMNG stocks, all is centered and focused and organized to prevent any market damage.

      In the past 11 years we’ve morphed from occasional intervention mode to permanent interventions. We’re in 2020 and there is no one anywhere on the planet that has a single clue as to when central banks will ever raise rates again and the notion of normalization has been safely tossed into the garbage bin of history.”

      https://northmantrader.com/2020/02/03/addicts/

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  42. Don McAro says:

    As I have been saying for the last week… Wont be long..when the impeachment crap is over.. the media will turn to a Corona virus to take out President Trump. Come this Thursday, it will be doom and gloom and it will be to crash the market and they will also concentrate on the Presidents policies that they think will have an impact of the rate of spread in the US… Its all they have left and they will do it

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    • lolli says:

      I know most treepers need no reminding, but…
      Check your basic first aid supplies. If any necessities are missing, stock them now. Even if you think this is a hoax, you need emergency supplies.
      Once they start focusing on this, people might start hoarding, even if it does them no good.

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  43. hokkoda says:

    The conspiracy stuff is a little over-baked. The simplest “government fault” explanation is that somebody at their Wuhan BSL-IV facility broke a protocol (didn’t wash their hands with hot soap and water or something) and walked out with it on their person. It makes the most sense with the fewest assumptions. The simplest “natural causes” explanation is that somebody came in contact with an infected bat at that outdoor market and the virus mutated in some way that allowed the human to catch it.

    I would expect the over-reactions to continue in the media, and conspiracy theories to spread like wildfire. The more assumptions you make about the source, and then start attaching motives to it, the more likely you are wrong. Occam’s razor: somebody didn’t wash their hands.

    We’ll wind up seeing that it is more contagious than SARS but less lethal by quite a lot…more than seasonal flu though. I bet everything starts calming down in a week or two as it burns itself out.

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    • Super Elite Lt. Col. Covfefe999 says:

      I agree with you. Either way, whether it was lab-originating or from an animal at the market, I do believe this was an accident. Someone didn’t wash their hands. And if you look at pictures of wet markets (which I had never seen before) I’m surprised the entire Chinese population isn’t wiped out by illness. Disgusting scenes. I really don’t want to buy meat or fish that is being chopped up on a floor and nothing is santized. China can’t be a first world country if they countinue to support third world practices.

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  44. Curt says:

    I don’t want to be accused of spreading conspiracy theories or panic. I hope this is all BS, but this must be considered:
    “(Natural News) Two days ago, a paper published in the Biorxiv.org journal presented findings that indicated the coronavirus appeared to be engineered with “key structural proteins” of HIV. The paper, entitled, “Uncanny similarity of unique inserts in the 2019-nCoV spike protein to HIV-1 gp120
    and Gag,” concluded that the engineering of coronavirus with such gene sequences was “unlikely to be fortuitous in nature,” providing strong scientific support for the theory that the coronavirus is an engineered bioweapon that escaped laboratory containment in China.” IF, IF, if this had a scintilla of truth to it you can bet that everything possible is being done to cover it up.

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  45. Buffy the Toadslayer says:

    Of course it will be a bumpy ride. Of course China will lose some marketplace momentum. But I don’t think it’s going to be the doomsday scenario some people think.

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  46. Right to reply says:

    I wonder if Sundance would consider pinning this. If this is what they are stating by live updates on this map, you just know its only 50% truth! https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR1rhv2XuaPGdsk6Ocy4Hk7qPz_m5AYP_EzZHVHHHY1vC6bkW8Za1_r05UU#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

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  47. Super Elite Lt. Col. Covfefe999 says:

    CNBC and probably other media are reporting that a person who took a cruise on a Princess ship has tested positive for the virus, 6 days after leaving the ship. Apparently the person claims he/she didn’t have any symptoms while on the ship. Whether or not true, I think we already know that it’s possible to spread this thing before symptoms appear. And now there’s a new bunch of people on the ship, 3700, who are now being held by Japan so they can be “assessed”. What a fun vacation! Economies are in jeopardy because of this virus.

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    • Super Elite Lt. Col. Covfefe999 says:

      I have 20 3M N95 respirators I bought online last week. I’m not going to be caught unprepared. I figure if I don’t use them for health protection I’m going to use them when I work on my home. 🙂 I’m stocking up just a little bit so I have an extra week of food just in case I need it. It was my goal years ago to be more emergency-prepared, now I might actually carry through with it. I really don’t think I’m at significant risk, but you never know what might happen ….

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  48. Pew-Anon says:

    The irony of the entire population of a surveillance state forced to walk around wearing face masks…

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