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Asian Americans reflect on how ‘Harold & Kumar’ helped weed out stereotypes

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Just because you’re hung like a moose doesn’t mean you need to do porn.

u/goldblumspowerbook avatar

I have thought this quote so much to myself recently, as I've pulled away from a job I hated despite being "good" at it. I haven't been able to use it as a retort to my bosses or my mother, though...

u/broitsjustreddit avatar

is this your special bush?!

What are you? King of the Forest?

u/SadRobotz avatar

I SAID IS THIS YOUR SPECIAL BUSH!?!?!?

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The scene at the beginning when they’re stoned and watching the “I’m so high, nothing can hurt me!” anti weed commercial still makes me cackle every time.

u/verynayce avatar

NOOOOOOOOOO

Marijuana Kills
u/MattGower avatar

I will quote that with my homies till the day I die

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was that ad real? This similar one i remember. Also the one accusing me of supporting terrorism with my weedsmokery.

u/creggieb avatar

It wasn't real, but only a slight exaggeration of the nonsense in anti drug PSA.  Ironically, South park had a much more convincing, true PSA on the subject, entitled "my future self and me"

Instead of that honesty we got

This is your brain on drugs(fried eggs in a pan)

The one with the talking dog, where the person gets high, and the dog chastised them

Winners don't do drugs

Peewee Herman telling us that using crack to be cool might be deadly

Pretty sure the Beatles did one too

I learned it from you, dad

u/ThaiJohnnyDepp avatar

That one's actually true though, I picked up all my worst shit from my parents

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u/Hezkezl avatar

Don’t forget that Captain Lou Albano, while playing Mario in the super Mario brothers super show, gave a quick PSA about how you’ll go to hell if you use drugs!

u/LeonardoDoujinshi- avatar

before you die as well

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When I was a lad, I had to write a report about why I would never do drugs (there wasn't another option), and mine was chosen to read out loud in front of the entire school.

My reward was a pocket radio. I can't remember exactly what it was called, but it was like an MP3 player before those were a thing, and only radio. Anyway, my point is that I fucking lied and I do drugs now.

u/waterinabottle avatar

you need to give the radio back, you don't wanna be a drug addled maniac and a thief

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u/J4degrees avatar

Don’t forget I smoke people like you on the b ball court.

Don’t forget about “refer madness” movie (1930’s?)which showed people smoking and doing violent and outrageous criminal activities

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As a teenager, the ending of that South Park episode was far more effective than any anti-drug PSA for weed and actually made me question my choices.

20 years later and I still smoke daily, but it did make me question….

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The only thing I got out of the "This is your brain on drugs," ad was an irrational fear of eggs over easy that would remain well into my mid 20's.

That one with the Rachel Leigh Cook going apeshit in the kitchen....y'know "And this is what your family goes through!" caused some very confusing and conflicting emotions in my 11 year old psyche....and my pants.

u/comehitherhitler avatar

The real lesson of Hombeez vs. Drug Bugz is to always have a mercy rule.

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Pretty sure I know the supporting terrorism one. It was about heroin, and that market is the main source of revenue in Afghanistan

Oh LOL, this brings back memories. My FPS spray for years was:

https://i.imgur.com/crHQWJk.png

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Definitely one of the funniest parts. Movie mostly holds up a lot better than a lot of movies like it from that time.

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I watch the third one every year at Christmas and the scene with NPH and the aspiring broadway actress, hoooooly shit I can't believe they ever produced it or still allow it.

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u/cjeremy avatar

it was like the funniest things I've seen back then.. lol

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When this movie came out, I was in senior year of high school, and my best friend was a Chinese dude. Being Indian, this movie felt like it was a documentary about me and my friend. We legit skipped full days of school to smoke weed, eat snacks and watch matinee movies in the theatres lol

I hope you guys are still buddies.

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We lost touch many years ago sadly. I still think about him from time to time. To be honest, we smoked a lot fuckin weed lol. Eventually as the years went by, I had to shift my life in a different direction, you know, try go back and complete high school, maybe get into university, but I remember him continuing to smoke copious amounts of weed and it went from being fun to a bad influence.

Decisions had to be made. I hope to meet him again one day, and hoping he’s going well.

Harold and Kumar (first one), is that time capsule that takes me back perfectly to that era of my life. For us, Whitecastle was McDonald’s, and we used to pull into the drivethrough and politely ask for free McChicken’s every other night (we figured out the night shift, and who was most likely to hook us up). Occasionally we’d get a staff member who (rightfully so) thought we were idiots and said they weren’t free, and refrain from handing over the burgers unless we paid. They’d then watch us fumble for loose change in the shit-box car we pulled up in.

u/crazysouthie avatar

You've basically laid out why it would be great to see another Harold and Kumar movie at a later point in their life.

But also I hope you rediscover your friendship with this person.

u/Naweezy avatar

Tbh thats what happens in part 3, A Very Harold & Kumar Christmas.

That movie was lot better than I was expecting.

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That's the 3rd movie lol 

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There’s a solid chance you can reunite with him whenever you want to on at least one social media platform, unless he’s one of the few who has absolutely nothing.

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Oh I’ve tried finding him through social media, but he’s initiated ghost protocol and isn’t on any of the channels. I’ve even asked some old mutual friends, and most people lost touch with him and don’t know where he’s gone.

It’s kind of weird when I step back and think about it, because you’d think at least one or two people within those spheres would have known, but nope, he’s legit disappeared.

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When you see them again make sure to comment on their sconces

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Now I kinda want to take on the challenge and help you track him down haha

The reality of most stoner duos, I still smoke but I needed to start growing up and making something of myself meanwhile they still had goals of making a weed farm and any job was slavery.

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YES!! I am South-Asian and will never forget seeing this movie in high school with my Asian friends. There’s something special and so empowering about experiencing such a big film that is FUN with actors that look like you absolutely killing it. As a brown kid, we pretty much only had Apu in the mainstream media arena before. I love Kal Penn.

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My best friend growing up in a small white town was Indian. One of like 5 brown kids in a town of 6000. His parents had a restaurant with an an all you can eat curry buffet. I miss him a lot (he’s not dead he just moved across country)

Sounds like an awesome friendship

Man this movie was so great. It was the first time I ever felt represented in media, as it starred two Asian Americans who were just normal people

Bro. Same. I'm Indian and my buddy was Korean. Lol

u/ImpressionFeisty8359 avatar

Hope you reconnect with him. Would be cool.

I’m Indian and I freaking love these movies. I thought the second one was even funnier than the first. They did such a great job with these movies. I love when Kumar tries to talk to Harold and Harold just goes “hey..hey…FUCK you!” Lmao

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Two of my friends used the "police sketch " as their MySpace profile pics.

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u/robotshavenohearts2 avatar

Even at 14 I was so tired of the dumb stoner trope - having two guys who were actually intelligent, just lacking in self esteem and overall direction made this such a pleasure to watch.

Battleshits

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Sunk ‘em.

u/LazerWeazel avatar

Eh I'd still hit

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Kumar What is that, like 5 Os and 2 Us? Kooooouumar

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No actually it's 1 U..

Yeah, bullshit

The delivery of “yeah, bullshit” was so perfect in that scene

Anytime I use that phrase now I can’t help but say it in the same tone because of that scene lol

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“Bullets, my only weakness. How did you know?”

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The NPH scene in the xmas one is my favorite scene out of all of them. The laugh he gives after he gets kicked is still hilarious.

“I am gay, gay for that pussy!”

u/3720-To-One avatar

His cameo in the original was absolutely his audition for Barney Stinson

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Hungry for some FUR BURGERS

Pretty sure that cameo made Barney Stinson.

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I’m worthless. I’m not worthwhile.

“Shit I forgot my phone”

“Wanna go back and get it?”

“No, we’ve come too far”

So many problems would have been solved if he just got his phone.

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It’s crazy how if anything things may have gotten worse for us Asian and Indian guys. Disney channel certainly didn’t help by showing really negative cringy caricatures of Indian boys non stop. East Asian men are never shown as strong male leads until extremely recently. East Asian women are invariably paired with white men for some reason.

Somehow an older movie like Harold and Kumar has done more to normalize Asians and especially Asian men being actual people

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Is this just in American TV though? Like I remember growing up with my mam watching Cornation Street with Dev always being pretty cool and mature compared to the soap opera nonsense happening around him. I think I saw some TV documentary that mentioned he was one half of the first implied sex scene on British TV.

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Oh wow, yea must be an American thing. I didn’t even think about the UK side of things. I think you guys are way ahead of us in that regard, from what little I’ve seen from British media the brown guys are portrayed much more normally

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Sooo much. Want to see some stereotype breaking? Check out Monkey Man.

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I wanna watch so bad!!!

Saw it last night in the cinema.

Intense ride!

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u/tedivertire avatar

Im east Asian but seeing a se Asian movie like monkey man- fuckin adrenaline city. Super enjoyable flick, and any exposure for western audiences to what Asian cities are like without being just disaster porn = nice.

Goals: i want every fighting culture to have their own "the raid."

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Even in Crazy Rich Asians, the male lead has to be mixed-race. It wasn't until Shang-Chi where we finally got a hyper-competent, 100% Asian male lead in a big Hollywood movie. Speaking of, where the hell is Shang-Chi 2? Its like Simu isn't even part of the Marvel ecosystem anymore.

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Simu actually just commented about a week ago saying the film is still in development, because people had been spreading rumors that it was cancelled. He promised that it is happening.

So still early stages, clearly, but it hasn't been forgotten. I'm definitely hopeful because I really enjoyed Shang Chi and look forward to more of him.

Bro, there was a movie based on Bruce Lee that came out a year or so ago and the lead was some random white guy lmao. There was absolutely no reason for that. I’m Indian btw. Harold and Kumar is in my top 10 best comedies.

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He was also the butt of crude slapstick humour and racist jokes in all of the Rush Hour movies. He never fit into Western culture. Neither did Jet Li. Simu is actually portrayed as comfortable in Western society to the point that it's a culture shock for him to be back in China.

I remember Chris Tucker being the punchline “idiot” in the Rush Hour movies. The whole shtick was that Jackie Chan was supposed to be the idiot, but was actually the competent one. I don’t think they did him wrong at all in those movies.

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He was famous for his martial arts skills. so yet another stereotype thing cause all the leading asian men in Hollywood until recently were kung fu stars: Bruce Lee, Jackie, Jet Li, etc. Even Michelle Yeoh

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Hey, at least we've got an awesome Asian superhero now. Shang-Chi 2 better happen. And more better be on the way.

Still waiting on a gay male superhero. Let's get Kal Penn back in here and kill two birds with one stone.

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Ngl this never crossed my mind until my asian friend pointed it out to me when we were talking about Shogun and 3 body problem.
Its like 2 hit shows released around the same time either adapted from an Asian novel and changed to include a wmaf couple or based in Asia with wmaf relationship being the core.

u/Middle-Welder3931 avatar

Tell me about it. 3 Body Problem, originally a Chinese novel set entirely in China, is "adapted" for a global audience by setting it in London and whitewashing most of the characters.

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Watching how Hollywood treats Asian men in media, it makes sense why subs like r/aznidentity exists. If only it isn’t filled with incels.

u/Puppetmaster858 avatar

that sub sure has a big hate boner for Shogun lol.

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East Asian men are never shown as strong male leads until extremely recently.

Bruce Lee? Dude is the definition of swag. Kobe openly said his "Mamba Mentality" was a direct copy of the Bruce Lee mentality, who Kobe idolized all his life.

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Bruce

I think the issue was that he was not a relatable lead for Asian males. I'm an Asian male but I sure as hell don't know martial arts and suck at anything athletic in general.

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What did Disney Channel do? I'm out of the loop.

We need to see more Asian male with non-Asian woman as their submissive partners in the movie and TV.

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Ain't gonna happen bud. The man will strike it down faster than mlkjr