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Eren and Paul Atreides.

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WARNING: This post contains spoilers for Attack on Titan and Dune & Dune Messiah.

Eren and Paul Atreides are two characters who have a lot in common. Both are thrust into the role of a savior after receiving strange powers, both are sons of a leader thought to killed by the ruling regime, both are tasked with prophecy and burdened with visions of a future to come that they seek to avoid.

After drinking the Water of Life and becoming the Kwisatz Haderach, the messiah bred by the Bene Gesserrit, Paul Atreides arises from the desert where he was sent to die and defeats the Harkonnens and the Emperor to take the throne. His followers then go on a jihad across the galaxy that kills billions in his name. Paul is designed by the author to show how a flawed hero can reap destruction and be cursed with the burden of their hero's journey. Paul defeated his enemies and got revenge but at the cost of billions of lives. At the end of his journey, the burden of ruling is too strong for him to bear and Paul enters the desert that made him a messiah and never returned.

Eren attempts the rumbling but then suddenly claims he did it to create a common enemy and to end the cycle of hatred against the Eldians. However, in the epilogue we see this is not true as war returns to Paradis Island in the years to come.

However, if Eren had an ending like in Dune, it would end with Eren flattening the world with the rumbling then returning the Paradis and creating the walls just as the First King did. Eren completes the cycle then returns to the place that made him. He would buy time for Paradis as it would take centuries for the other nations to rebuild their infrastructure. But it would curse Eldia to the same fate that Eren attempted disrupt. Eren would then either pass on his burden to an heir (Historia's child) or let it go to chance and have a random Eldian inherit his titan. It would be an ironic ending for Eren but it would show how fate and destiny are inescapable. This ending would also help make Eren killing his own mom make more sense as it would show that this all stems from the founder and the first king's will and it would show it was all to protect Eldia.

Ultimately, having a random Eldian inherit his titan would be the most interesting ending for me as it shows Eren believing in paths and letting destiny decide what becomes of the Eldians.

Ultimately, I think these are two characters that have a lot of parallels and if you liked Attack on Titan you might also like Dune. The newest Dune movie is great and worth checking out.

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Eren attempts the rumbling but then suddenly claims he did it to create a common enemy and to end the cycle of hatred against the Eldians. However, in the epilogue we see this is not true as war returns to Paradis Island in the years to come.

  • We don't know if Eren was aiming to only do a 80% rumbling before he actually unlocked the founder, but his actions in letting the alliance pursue him and declaring to Ymir he wanted to destroy "this world"(the twist was he was talking about the paths) shows that when the rumbling was actually activated he had already planned on being stopped.

  • Whatever happened in the epilogue has nothing to due with Eren's fake declaration to all subjects that he intends to permanently get rid of hatred for Eldians by killing everyone else. By the time Eren told Armin about the 80% rumbling he had not achieved it yet, chronologically that conversation happens when the alliance was still travelling by ship to Odiha which by the time Eren would have crushed only the coastline of the Marleyian continent. And in that conversation Eren already knew that the hatred would not end so he rumbles away just enough that no one would be able to fight despite the hatred they harbour. Historia's letter at the end also indicates at some point after the conversation where Eren told her his plans, Eren told her of his intentions to leave some of the outside world alive and the future to what Paradis and the outside survivors make of it. The conflict in the epilogue also did not happen "in the years to come", judging by the growth of the tree and the development of the architecture around it that conflict is at least 100 years later, which means the reason for the conflict likely has nothing to do with the original hatred of Eldians or grudge for the rumbling.

Why do I get the feeling you got AI to write this for you? Your post ends with random plugging for Dune and the last paragraphs are hard to make sense of and have no coherence...

Why do you assume Eren would go back to Paradis and put the walls back up after flattening the world("completing the cycle" meaning he completely crushed his enemies)? There should no longer be any outside threat to protect from if that was the case. No need to buy time because there would be no other nations to rebuild.

The actual ending is already ironic for Eren, who always thought he was moving forward to save humanity but he was actually interfering with the past in order to give himself the founder that enabled him to crush humanity.

Eren killing Carla also makes perfect sense if you considered what he put Grisha through just to get himself the founder, and he didn't do it to protect Eldia at all if he left them to work at securing their own future after the rumbling.

Ultimately, I think AoT and Eren as a protagonist is yet too complex for chatGTP to analyze and give a convincing summary of, and bringing another story like Dune into the mix was so unnecessary.

I didn’t write this with ChatGPT. I wrote it myself. I personally really dislike the ending of AOT and I think Dune does a better ending for a similar character.

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I don’t know what you mean with incoherent in the last paragraphs or AI, I’m 99% sure it’s not made with chat gpt.

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