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Official Discussion: Swiss Army Man [SPOILERS]

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Summary: Hank, a man marooned on an island and at the verge of suicide, sees a corpse wash up on the beach and engages in a surreal friendship with it. Hank soon finds that his new friend, whom he names Manny, has the ability to talk and possesses many unusual supernatural powers.

Director: Daniel Scheinert, Daniel Kwan

Writers: Daniel Scheinert, Daniel Kwan

Cast:

  • Paul Dano as Hank

  • Daniel Radcliffe as Manny

  • Mary Elizabeth Winstead as Sarah

  • Timothy Eulich as Preston

  • Marika Casteel as Reporter

  • Richard Gross as Hank's Dad

  • Antonia Ribero as Chrissy

  • Aaron Marshall as Police Officer

  • Andy Hull as Camera Man

Rotten Tomatoes: 65%

Metacritic: 61/100

After Credits Scene?: No

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Just saw this film last night. Beautiful, weird, surprising, funny, sweet, poignant film. I find myself liking it more and more the longer I think about it. Some people may find the film uncomfortable but isn't that the point of the film? That the things society shames us into feeling uncomfortable about and hiding shouldn't make us feel ashamed.

But I also see Manny as being the part of Hank's psyche that society has taught him to hide or discard (like the trash Manny keeps referencing). As the film goes on Hank starts to love Manny and I see this as a possible symbol of Hank incorporating that previously rejected part of his psyche back into himself. Not only accepting it but recognizing how amazing it is, and coming to love it.

I don't think it's coincidence that the scene where Hank kisses Manny is underwater and once they resurface he accepts that Manny makes him happy away from society's restrictions as water is often associated with rebirth. Not to mention that the literal resurfacing of the characters is also a symbol of the repressed and rejected part of Hank's psyche and personality that has resurfaced from his subconscious.

When they finally get back to society Manny has been shamed into thinking he's disgusting because Hank has taught him everything that society teaches us and Hank says not to say that, which is sort of a symbol for Hank telling himself not to let society make him feel ashamed again.

Manny dies on the lawn, a sign that society starts trying to shame Hank into repressing that part of himself again. But when they try to take Manny's body he says he won't let them; A symbol for Hank not letting society squash that part of him again. And in the end Manny farts off into the ocean and Hank is happy because he doesn't need Manny anymore because he's incorporated that previously repressed part into himself now and accepts it. There are countless other examples of symbolism for accepting ones whole self throughout the movie but I've talked long enough. I definitely recommend this film. Some people may think it's too weird for them, but I think maybe they're the ones who need it's message most.

Hey reddit. We directed+wrote the movie and we're doing an AMA at 2pm EST / 11AM PCT. [wednesday 8/10/16]. Hopefully, we'll see some of you there.

Aw, man. That would have been awesome. Too bad I'm at work when everything cool happens.

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I'm from the future, watched SAM because of Everything, Everywhere, All At Once. Love the stories, love the filmmaking

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Love that you made an account just for this and this was an amazing review. Totally agree with everything you said.

u/MistaTom avatar

I really appreciate your perspective on this. You put into words what I was thinking.

Exactly!! But those people walked out of the theater after 20 minutes. :/

There was a couple sitting in front of me and they walked out when Hank kissed Manny. Probably doesn't help that I live in the middle of the Bible Belt.

u/Citizen_Kong avatar

Farting propulsion, compass erection and vomiting water dispenser - alright. A man kissing a man - this is where I draw the line!

Their loss. I live in the Bible Belt too and everyone in the theater loved it :)

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u/Citizen_Kong avatar

And in the end Manny farts off into the ocean

I vote for "Fart off" to officially supplant "Fuck off" as an insult.

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They got me for a second at the end when they referred to Paul Dano as Manny.

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That Fight Club moment though.

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At the end I was so sure I had it figured out like 5 times, but shit kept switching up on me.

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I'm a little late to this, but that really fucked me up. Absolutely amazing film that caught me by surprise.

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Yeah just finished and came here to figure that out, how they said they found the Father's number in the phone and was he ready to identify him, which I thought they meant the body but I think must have been Hank as they assumed he had lost his shit. The bit with the bear, so funny and surreal. The ultimate fart joke, throughout the whole movie.

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u/creutzfeldtz avatar

Who would have thought my favorite romantic movie of the year would have been between Paul Dano and Daniel Radcliffe

u/ruberducky600 avatar

You seen the Lovster yet? That's my pick but fuck did they do a great job at making you feel the connection between the two of them.

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Both are distributed by A24 pictures. A24 seems to be doing a killer job promoting offbeat, intensely personal films.

I honestly intentionally seek out their movies for this reason at this point. The movies they back are unique and I love them for that.

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I believe The Witch is done by A24 as well. Being a horror movie don't expect it to be as deep and moving as some others, but it was a beautiful movie with a crazy score and the atmosphere it created made it one of the better horror films I've seen (which is a genre I can't typically appreciate as it tends to fall into cliche's and predictable storylines).

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they give indie movies blockbuster budgets

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Loved it. I think Mary Elizabeth Winstead's last line in the movie perfectly summed it up.

Yea, for anybody debating what the ending meant just go back to that line

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u/perditi0nspam avatar

I thought the ending was in line with the rest of the film, but driving it home to the audience by being more "meta". The ending seemingly tried to wrap it up as a classic "he was a nutjob all along, case closed", but took a surprise twist at the very end.

In order to derail the audience's expectations of a normal ending, much like Hank himself has derailed people's expectations of him, something different is presented as an ending.

You can either be ok with the fact things turned out strangely, or you can criticize it as too weird for your liking. It's up to you. If you are able to accept everything that happened in the movie up until that point, yet feel a dissonance when it ends in a way that you didn't expect, then that's a message in itself.

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What was the line again??

"What the FUCK"

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I know it's a minor point but I'm glad the movie ultimately acknowledges that taking pictures of random girls on the bus isn't sensitive and romantic but is instead actually super creepy.

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I don't think that's a minor point. I think that's THE point, or at least part of. That the regular urges and desires that everyone experiences can become unhealthy if repressed for too long. You gotta let that stuff out, even if the people around you don't appreciate it because holding it in indefinitely will end up being more damaging and unhealthy. Just like farts.

u/CeruleanTresses avatar

Just like farts.

Shit, mind blown.

u/Citizen_Kong avatar

Shit, mind blown.

I see what you did there.

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u/smoha96 avatar

Sorry, I'm coming by a month later. I only just saw the film and I have to agree. If anything, I feel the film is lampooning your typical film festival flicks, and characters who are 'sensitive loner types' who are 'rejected' by society. Despite the potential days of travelling, it seems Hank was never far from Sarah's house and created disturbingly accurate representstions (while supposedly lost). Hidden in this supposed indie film of self discovery, replete with the protagonist feeling like the misunderstood hero of his own story, and jangly music, I think there's a darker story.

Full of laughs. Great performances from Dano and Radcliffe. Never a dull moment. Who'd have thought a movie with a farting corpse could be so fun?

u/hogarth25 avatar

Yet another month behind. Just watched it. Searched the movie to find something like this.

I think this is the perfect interpretation. Behind the "silent hero trying to get the girl" face lies a deeper, darker undertone that this really wasn't all okay- it was weird, just like everything else in the movie.

I loved it. Incredibly well made, well written, and (overall) fun.

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Hi- 14 days later and I just saw it. I loved it- great humor in it, I loved that Hank kept saying he wasn't special; yet he was like Willy Wonka with that trash. He could make statues, buses, mini carts, all kinds of interesting things. He just needed someone to tell him he was special.

Also, I liked how a few things went in a different direction than how I thought they would. Great movie.

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Noice.
Super into this interpretation.

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u/blahdenfreude avatar

It's interesting too the parallel between the girl on the phone and the girl in the magazine. In each case he has an object of infatuation for whom he has created a personality/life out of thin air. Cool little statement in the midst of a larger story.

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I like how after the bear attack its Manny controling Hank and helping him walk and stuff while until that point it was Hank who was in control. I dont know what it means but I noticed it.

Nice catch, I didn't even think of the parallel between Sarah and "Jessie."

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I loved how at the end when she said "did...you make this?" and I was ready to cringe if she thought how sweet that was, and then he said "..yeah", and then she looked physically repulsed. Total subversion of that "weird quirky guy does weird quirky thing for girl and they fall in love" trope.

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Alright I'm gonna try and put my thoughts together on this incredibly strange film:

As I understood it, the movie is about a guy with an extremely unhealthy obsession with a girl. He never had the social skills needed to succeed in the world as it exists today, and he was always too self conscious to try and make a change. He leaves behind a life that in his mind wasn't worth living in the first place, and starts living in the woods behind her house. He basically doesn't understand how or why people could enjoy being in their bodies, living the lives that they live every day, when there are so many things you have to worry about NOT doing. He probably suffers from severe anxiety.

Because he feels that he doesn't belong in the modern world, he imagines himself as a cast away on a tiny island surrounded by water, kind of like how he's on his own little metaphorical island with no way of communicating with the people around him. He is ashamed of his obsession with a girl he knows he can never actually get, but he is too in love with her to physically separate himself. So instead he lives in the woods by her house. Close enough physically that his obsession is maintained, but as far away mentally as possible.

The body washing up on shore is real, but I think Manny is dead the entire time and the events that happen in the movie mostly happen in Hank's head. Basically, Hank teaching Manny about life is his own way of teaching himself how to navigate the complex societal norms of a world he has never fully understood. Everyone always says that the only time you can say you actually understand a concept is when you can teach it to someone else. In Hank's mind, he teaches himself how the world works by imagining that he's teaching Manny - this simplistic and essentially "empty" vessel that asks all the questions Hank (and us the audience) think but are too afraid to ask, especially about taboo topics like bodily functions.

As Hank successfully grapples with and understands all these societal norms, Manny becomes more and more "alive" and helps Hank navigate back to the real world. The cell phone getting reception is also probably in Hank's own mind, and symbolizes how close/far he is mentally from civilization.

As Hank slowly learns how the world works, he uses Manny to play out how his ideal life would unfold, if he had all these societal skills when he first saw the girl on the bus. Because he's still ashamed of his love for a woman who is clearly taken, he has Manny play his role, while he pretends to be the girl.

While all this unfolds, he also realizes from Manny that there is no need to be so ashamed of certain things. There are a lot of things people view negatively with no real explanation as to why they are bad. This also helps Hank grow as a person because it helps him confront his shame and come to terms with the fact that everybody does embarrassing things, and it doesn't define you as a person. Manny "dying" once they get back to civilization is partly due to the audience being reintroduced to the "real" world, and partly due to Hank regressing to his original ashamed self, unable to talk and repressing all of the freedom that Manny embodies. Hank betrays this mutual reliance that they both have developed (Hank teaches Manny about how to behave in public, and Manny teaches Hank how to accept his faults) so Manny "dies" and now we see that the body was always dead, and everyone else sees a delusional man who claims this corpse has been alive all along.

The ending is kind of a tongue-in-cheek way of reiterating what the entire movie is about - owning up to your weirdness and accepting it as a part of your life, rather than repressing it. The directors want us as the audience to think "what the fuck?" the same way we would if a grown man just walked up to us and farted really loudly. I guess it's their way of practicing what they preach. Like, "yes there is a traditional way to end movies like this. But fuck it, we're going to fart instead"

Incredibly shot, amazing score, and one of the most unique stories to come out this year. It's a solid 8/10, with two points deducted mostly for accessibility. This isn't a movie I would recommend everyone go see, sadly. You need a certain sense of humor to enjoy it. I can completely understand why a lot of people absolutely hated it.

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I don't think it deserves two points docked because of accessibility, why should every film cater to everybody?

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Man, I really like your write up, and I hadn't really considered the whole 'coping through teaching Manny' thing, but I really didn't enjoy the movie. I think you have such a dynamic interpretation of what came off to me as a totally flat movie. I felt like it was desperately trying to be deep while also not taking itself seriously, but the execution was lazy. The fart joke wore thin within the first 5 minutes and really only seemed to be there to thumb its nose at typical film tropes. A kind of 'look how different we are, we aren't afraid to undercut our finale with a farting motorboat ride into the sunset'. The result was that Swiss Army Man was just boring. The soundtrack was solid, though. Totally agree on that.

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u/pointynipples69 avatar

This movie spoke to me in some heavy ways. I think the hardest part was when they were on the "bus" and manny was just so excited to see things out the window, talk to people, sing songs, and Hank was just like, "no the bus sucks, nobody sings, we don't socialize." It really made me think about how alone so many of us feel, and how much we do it to ourselves.

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I know I'm late to this, but I completely agree with you. I had the added confidence of actually watching the movie on a tablet on an actual bus when it got to that scene. Had to pause the movie and pull out my earbuds for the rest of the ride to at least take in the world around me

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I brought my brother to this, and he hadn't seen a single trailer and didn't know the premise. He was very confused.

u/spank_me_silly avatar

This is what just happened with my husband and I. He was so excited to see the movie and wanted me to go with him, so I tagged along without knowing anything about it. I was very confused and didn't really enjoy myself at all, while he loved it. I think not knowing the premise of the movie is detrimental to the experience, especially if you've never seen anything from these writers/directors. Or maybe I just wasn't the target audience. I kept feeling like the movie was going to go further in some areas than it did. I don't think it was a bad movie though, and I appreciate that I was never quite sure what was going to happen next.

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I think not knowing the premise of the movie is detrimental to the experience, especially if you've never seen anything from these writers/directors.

Interesting, usually I enjoy movies more when I see them without knowing anything about them!

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Oh, that's a bummer. My brother was completely confused but laughed throughout the entirety of the movie.

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So can anyone tell me what the camera man was talking about when he said he thought he'd seen Hank before?

Perhaps he was reported missing by his family/father? At one point we are clued in that Hank had run away. This would make sense since the camerman would be working in news and his career revolving around these types of stories

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One of the Daniels said that he was meant to say "Oh yeah Hanky Wanky" later, since they live in a small town and went to the same school, but it got cut. They decided to leave in that he recognised him to add to the stress of the scene and to read peoples random theories in youtube comments.

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Possibly from high school or something? "Hey, aren't you that weird Hanky Wanky guy?"

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Just incase you didn't see this, about a month back someone else commented - "One of the Daniels said that he was meant to say "Oh yeah Hanky Wanky" later, since they live in a small town and went to the same school, but it got cut. They decided to leave in that he recognised him to add to the stress of the scene and to read peoples random theories in youtube comments" - so you had it pretty much spot on.

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Haha awesome!! I love when they leave things for the audience to interpret.

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lol, I was wondering the same thing.

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u/tictacpontiac avatar

Beautiful movie. Having watched some of Daniels' other things, I've noticed a common theme of magic (or fantastical things) being weird and gross and freaking people out while still being real.

My two favorite sections were when the relationship roleplaying intensified (the bus and party especially) and then at the end when we saw Hank through everyone else's perspective, while still believing in what he'd experienced somehow.

This felt like a weird fairytale for adults about loneliness. 10/10 for anyone willing to suspend disbelief and give into the weirdness.

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Interesting Ball sorta lays out their philosophy that carries over to this one: if the universe is infinite, unusual things aren't just possible, they are inevitable. Swiss Army Man is just another bizarre thing happening in the Daniels' strange universe. I love it.

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It definitely had the feel of a children's story, the way Hank taught Manny all these things while discovering Manny's powers, except with far more adult undertones.

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"Everybody poops!" and "If you don't know Jurassic Park, you don't know shit." are definitely gonna be tentpoles in my kids' education.

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I think the gross stuff was just part of the story, and we just have to accept it like we would have to accept the uncomfortable parts of friendships and life.

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I honestly don't know how to explain my thoughts on the movie.

I liked it. I loved how unique it was. I loved the ending having a kind of fake out moment where you weren't sure what was real. The farting went from funny to stupid to endearing which was a weird trajectory. Dano and Radcliffe were awesome. Dano made too convincing of a Mary Elizabeth Winstead. It was just a very endearing movie and was off the wall and showed me just why indie cinema will never really die. No major studio would touch this film, and I'm happy to see it get made.

u/snapcracklePOPPOP avatar

Just watched it and while I loved it, it's taking me a while to collect my thoughts.

The bizarre surrealism and offbeat humor combined to make for a unique experience. On one hand it felt disjointed at times, but I feel like that was intentional to reflect the conflicting emotions of Hank's views toward societal norms. It's one of those movies that is just an experience you have to dive into and immerse yourself in

Edit: the soundtrack was also fantastic

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God bless A24 for taking a big chance on it. All the talk at Sundance made this film sound terrible but goddamn A24 made a hell of an ad campaign for it. Hope it finds it's audience this weekend.

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By far my favorite movie studio right now. Ex Machina, Room, Green Room, Under the Skin, Obvious Child, Spectacular Now, The Lobster, The End of the Tour, While We're Young, The Witch...and only 4 years old? Love the recognition they're getting.

EDIT: distributor, not studio. thanks mi-16evil!

Just a correction they are a distributor not a studio. Still they've been amazing at given a big platform to many unique voices.

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Me too. I manage at a midsize theater and this is only the second A24 film we've ever gotten (first being "The Witch") and only like the 7th or 8th indie film we've gotten in the 6 years I've been here.

I know we are going to get complaints because our audience skews older and conservative/traditional, which this film is definitely NOT made for. I was literally shocked when they sent us the hard drive for this earlier this week and thought it was a mistake. I am glad we got it, because usually I have to drive a couple hours to see A24 or indie releases. A24 has yet to miss in my opinion.

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u/SPEAKERZBOOMIN avatar

If you don't know Jurassic Park, you don't know shit.

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The part where he asked her name and he goes "Laura........ Dern" was my biggest laugh in the movie.

I didn't get that. Mind explaining it?

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laura dern played the female lead in jurassic park.

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u/topperharley88 avatar

If it hadn't been..... for cotton eyed Joe

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Something I haven't seen discussed much in reviews of this film: If you are aware of Daniels previous work at all Interesting Ball for example , you may pick up on something about them that I truly respect.

They have an amazing understanding of "cliche" in filmmaking. What I mean by that is that basically filmmakers/films constantly recycle certain techniques that can be used to easily trigger an emotional response within an audience. Usually this is done through things like score, performance, and camera technique. Two simple examples of this: Epic score, slow motion shots, someone screaming violently as they run -- We are pumped for this amazing battle scene. Or: Sad piano music, intense close ups, whispers -- We should care about this person dying.

Daniels understanding of these cliches is something that they use to their advantage in what I will dub the "Emotionally Heavy" scenes within their work. Here is what they do in their own use of cliche:

-- Score: They often use intense, sweeping, overwhelming scoring, that is usually reserved for more "intense" films. Something you would normally hear in a Gladiator, an Inception, a Transformers, or at the end of a documentary intended to blow your god damn mind at how vast the universe is. -- Acting: The intense, exaggerated, and almost heavy handed performances (not in a bad way mind you) are obviously encouraged by them, especially in relation to emotional beats and scenes that they know pack a punch. -- The Camera: They are very visual directors, and are aware of the type of framing, technique, and style of cinematography that is used which is associated with epic/intense -- Slow motion, sweeping pans, crazy camera moves.

But here's what makes what they do interesting: They can replicate film cliche so well, they have found a way to transcend it and make it wholly original. They do this by applying these techniques to ridiculous scenarios, situations, or subject matter that is usually not reserved for such intensity. Thus, making something that shouldn't be handled so epically/intensely/sadly, cranked up to 11. And that juxtaposition, the collision of well known cliches with non-cliche subject matter, messes with our expectations in a brilliant way.

The ending of the film is a brilliant example of this. We are treated to an "epic ending" cliche. It's almost superhero like in fashion, i.e. this Spider-Man ending -- Tobey McGuire flying through the city with helicopters towards the sunset But when this technique is applied to a scene where a corpse comes back to life, and farts off into the sunset happily -- some of us can't handle what is happening, and some of us get excited about filmmaking again... But, I guess that's just my opinion, man.

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Another thing about the ending and cliches:

They made you think for a second that it was going to end in a "he was crazy the whole time" trope but ended up being better than the player out ending.

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I'm pretty sure he was crazy though. All of that stuff he built...the bus, the cafe, etc, were all within walking distance of her house.

I mean what are the odds that he comes ashore and wanders through the wilderness only to find himself in her backyard? Of all the places to rediscover civilization.

I mean, Manny's erection was literally a homing beacon that led straight to her.

I still loved the movie, and the ending.

I don't think he was ever actually stranded on an island. That was an overt metaphor for his suicidal depression in the midst of society, so he fled to the woods near Sarah's house out of desperation and to be nearer to her "happiness". Then he happened upon a dead body and proceeded to "find himself" by doing weird things with it.

The ending was his complete detachment from reality and acceptance of his psychosis.

I know I'm way late to the party but, what do you think the point of having the cameraman there was? They make a huge, obvious cut to what's supposed to look like a camera recording Manny motorboating off into the sunset, which at least to me, was the director's way of trying to create some kind of confirmation that this was actually happening and everyone could see it.

Rachel watches and says "what the fuck", the camera records it, his dad gives him this weird proud chuckle like "that's my boy"...I mean, why have half of those things happen if what's going on is all supposed to be in Hank's head?

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Definitely.

Anybody else notice his full beard disappear like a third of the way into the movie?

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But what about the other character's reactions to seeing Manny fart into the sunset?

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This is dead on. So many scenes in that movie I would describe as something like a serious parody, and it was amazing

I noticed this too, especially when I watched the lyric video to the Montage song and realized just how tongue in cheek it is.