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Deltarune will be Persona Inspired?

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Recently, I've been listening to an episode of LMTYA, and Aleks comes up with this theory about deltarune actually being inspired by the Persona series, and not final fantasy or chrono trigger or other games like that. If you want details, you can just listen to his theory on one of their recent episodes. Specifically at 55:55.

I think this theory might actually have some more evidence of this being true in my opinion.

Before I give you guys my thoughts, I just wanna say that as I type all this down, I myself have never completed a Persona game ever. Right now I'm in the middle of P5 if you're wondering, so please correct me If something is false!

1.Undertale was heavily inspired by two games. The Mother Trilogy and Shin Megami Tensei. That's where the ACT command was influenced from. Persona is a spinoff series of the SMT franchise.

2. You know how there's an extra room in the hospital with the ICE-E body doll and two sinks? I have a feeling Kris' next stop to another version of the Dark World might be there, but with Noelle in the mix. Kinda like Susie being the main focus in the abandoned children's classroom.

3. Since this is a Toby Fox game, you bet your ass there's gonna be A LOT of character arcs and devolpment. Maybe we'll see redemption arcs for many of the other students at Kris' School as time goes on. Wait, A game that features a cast of school students who each have some sort of small relation with the main character that travel to some sort of parallel dimension/world/setting?? Hmm, seems pretty familiar.

4. I have a feeling there's gonna be a time limit for 7 days until Asriel's return from College. 7 days=7 Chapters. Kinda like the calendar system in P3-5.

Guys, I really want to hear your thoughts about this. Do you really think this is true. Do you debunk this or support it?

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u/SplatInkling avatar

Finally someone thought this, FYI i'm already completed the story of Persona 3/4/5 and yes Deltarune really reminds me of persona series (especially Persona 5) like the school settings, mysterious world Metaverse = Dark World, The Fun Gang = Phantom Thieves, etc . so far as i know that every main characters in Persona series has an character developments based on the Tarot Motifs which is resemblance to the characters in the game like the protagonist of the game is represented in "0 The Fool Arcana" because of their personality being shaped via player's actions and decisions. i love to see the Social Link/Confidant like mechanics in this game.

If the Deltarune main characters represented in arcana this is my choice:

Kris = The Fool

Susie = The Chariot

Ralsei = The Magician

Lancer = The Emperor

Noelle = The Priestess

Rouxls Kaard = The Star

Jevil = The Jester

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Stand names?

u/SplatInkling avatar

No, there is no stands names. It's the Social Links/Confidant Arcana Representative from Persona Series, because everytime you make a relationships in Persona it represent with tarot cards. I know that majority Undertale/Deltarune fans are JoJo Nerd while i'm more like Persona Nerds.

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Stands in part 3 represent tarot cards thats what i thought of

u/SplatInkling avatar

Yeah, in Part 3: Stardust Crusaders all stands represent of 21 Major Arcana. Jotaro are Star Arcana while DIO is The World.

Coincidentally in Persona 3 it's also has the same mechanics above like all personas are represent by 21 Major Arcana, the summoning is the same like jotaro first did by shooting themsleves in the head with a gun also known as Evoker, meanwhile the bosses of shadows are the 12 arcana from magician to hanged man while the final boss Nyx is the death arcana

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u/Nerdorama09 avatar

I generally agree but I don't know about "instead of". I absolutely noticed that the first chapter's structure centering around a single party member's character development worked almost exactly like a given chapter of Persona 4 - main difference being Susie confronts her own actions in her fight with Lancer rather than addressing an externalization of her issues.

I would like to imagine later chapters, at least until halfway through the game, will concern other members of Kris's class in a growing "party" in the same pattern. Noelle is the most obviously foreshadowed and will probably be next in line, but anyone with a dialog sprite is a likely option. In this sense, I'm expecting the structure at least to be similar to P4. I could be wrong, but there are signs there.

u/TOPOman111 avatar

This actually seems plausible I even commented in one of my post that even the setting can change in some degree (sort of what happens in persona actually, where in susie's chapter, was a fantasy dnd esque world, noelle's can be a sort of urban horror or sci-fi theme), I actually wouldn't mind this direction of events, I'd love to keep the roster adding instead of changing (being able to use susie in posterior chapters) and also this would align with the line "make a better future", it's not a "stop the end of the world" but instead a "overcome life problems" kind of deal.