No respect for Ryno Legend card

Hitting 2 homeruns off the games best closer in the same game happens an awful lot. I know....

May I ask why this puckers your butt so much? You not only reply but write long winded rants. It's ok not to agree but you'd think Ryno banged your wife.

Awful big bugaboo for a 40+ year old man

IllinoisFinest posted...

Hitting 2 homeruns off the games best closer in the same game happens an awful lot. I know....

May I ask why this puckers your butt so much? You not only reply but write long winded rants. It's ok not to agree but you'd think Ryno banged your wife.

Awful big bugaboo for a 40+ year old man

I'm bored. Seriously bored.

It's funny that you call them "rants" when they're full of facts and not opinion. I guess asking you repeatedly how you could mistake players like Knoblauch to be in the NL, or Kent and Deshields to be other than average defensive second basemen is considered a "rant." Along with pointing out his stats in a hitter friendly park, etc.

And Ryno isn't the one that does the banging....since we brought it up.....

How many team mates of Sandberg did his wife Cindy do? Dave Martinez, Mark Grace, Rafael Palmeiro........it's well known there in Chicagoland.

Lol. Poor Sandberg.

Not even his wife thought he was the greatest.

:)

Must be real bored to neglect your wife and kids over a Sandberg thread. It's Friday night buddy. Loosen up.

IllinoisFinest posted...

Must be real bored to neglect your wife and kids over a Sandberg thread. It's Friday night buddy. Loosen up.

Actually, it's Friday day for me. And they aren't home.

A bit hypocritical though since you're responding.

But nice brush off of the actual facts. I realize you can't substantiate your own argument. But being hypocritical makes you someone I need to put on ignore.

Good luck.

P.S.

Q: How many Cubs does it take to hoist a World Series trophy?

A: Two. One to hold it, one to beg the Giants to borrow theirs.

Q: Who played the field the most for the Cubs in 1989???

A: Cindy Sandberg!!!

Q: What's sticky and goes on a Cubs bat?

A: Cindy Sandberg!

Feel free to use any of these.

Muahahahahahahahahahaha.....

I'm a Cubs fan, and I'm glad they never hired Ryno as manager. Read his book "Second to Home". I liked him as a player, but for the whole book he has this entitled attitude towards him. He pretty much spends the whole second half complaining about Larry Himes.

herschie posted...

I'm a Cubs fan, and I'm glad they never hired Ryno as manager. Read his book "Second to Home". I liked him as a player, but for the whole book he has this entitled attitude towards him. He pretty much spends the whole second half complaining about Larry Himes.

That's sad. I never minded him. I thought he was good. I was amazed he got into the HoF quite frankly.

He wasn't a guy I never feared when the Giants faced him. Grace and Dawson were more feared.

I don't remember spectacular fielding plays from him. Second might be the easiest infield position to field and him being automatic, which I agree he was, doesn't make him a great defender. He had a reputation of never getting his uniform dirty which is shameful in my opinion.

Some say great players get to the ball and don't have to dive. I've never agreed with that. There's always going to be a hard hit ball just out of your reach that you have to dive to get. Ability doesn't ever change that.

Larry Himes was their GM from 1992-1994. I can't say he was the best out there, but he did a couple good things. At the time I was sad to see Dawson go after the 1992 season, but nowadays I understand Himes' reluctance to throw money at a 36 year old sore-kneed outfielder. The worst thing Himes did by far was lose Maddux. The best trade he made was to acquire Sammy Sosa.

He mentioned in a book that when he came in the Cubs had a lot of players who thought they knew how to win, thought they were great, and what he saw is that they didn't know much. It certainly is an interesting perspective on things, as Sandberg thought that they could build around what they had in 1989.

I love the Giants and there really is no comparison to the other teams, but I "like" a few different teams where I'll root for them to win their division. The difference between how you feel about the love of your life, and how you feel about a good, but not best, friend.

I'd follow the Giants daily, but rooted for the Red Sox, Cubs, Phils (my best friend was a huge fan) and White Sox. Then the Rangers in 1994 when Clark went to them. It's strange how that worked out because it ended up giving me a rooting interest in all six divisions. I did NOT like having to root in 2000 for the Cards when Clark was traded.

I actually had a Cubbie hat and a Red Sox hat before I had a Giants hat in high school. But that's as far as it went. Everything else was Giants.

Back in about 1988-89, I thought the Cubs were going to pretty decent. So much so that I bought the Iowa Cubs team set because I thought they had some guys that were going to be good with Jerome Walton, Damon Berryhill and Dwight Smith. I think Harkey was their can't miss pitching prospect at the time.

Looking at their 1992 roster, it didn't look like they had all that much besides Grace, Sandberg, and as you said, Dawson. Besides Maddux, they had some aging and mediocre pitching. I'm sure Maddux saw the team wasn't that good and Atlanta looked like it's pitching staff was going to be dominant with Glavine, Smotz and Avery in his prime already there. They had some good talent there already offensively as well. I hate that 93 Braves team with a passion. Braves 104-58, Giants 103-59 and no wild card. They went 39-11 down the stretch and overcame a 10+ game lead by the Giants.

I hate the Rockies almost as much because they went 0-13 and lost the final 3 games to the Braves. The Giants took 3 out of 4 at the Dodgers, but lost the last day of the season. Heart breaking.

But I ramble...

:)

nuschler2212 posted...

I'll end with this.....

Ryne Sandbergs numbers away from Wrigley Field (which was probably the best home run hitting park of the 80's, especially in the NL, which had the smallest foul territory in the NL in the 80's, which even today has among the most HR's per game in the majors):

.269 average (Compared to .300 at home)
118 HR's (164)
350 walks (411)
647 K's (611)
.326 OBP (.361)

You don't find that kind of variance unless it's park adjusted.

That's a good way to end. Accurate. It's like that with all sports now, especially with talk radio and ESPN. Everyone becomes a prisoner of the moment. Also, as leagues expand, stats also skew. Pitchers face more below-average hitters who wouldn't have made teams in the 80's (just a sheer numbers thing) and batters face some pitchers who wouldn't make starting rotations back then. It's never fair to compare eras by stats.

Fog_Raw posted...

nuschler2212 posted...

I'll end with this.....

Ryne Sandbergs numbers away from Wrigley Field (which was probably the best home run hitting park of the 80's, especially in the NL, which had the smallest foul territory in the NL in the 80's, which even today has among the most HR's per game in the majors):

.269 average (Compared to .300 at home)
118 HR's (164)
350 walks (411)
647 K's (611)
.326 OBP (.361)

You don't find that kind of variance unless it's park adjusted.

That's a good way to end. Accurate. It's like that with all sports now, especially with talk radio and ESPN. Everyone becomes a prisoner of the moment. Also, as leagues expand, stats also skew. Pitchers face more below-average hitters who wouldn't have made teams in the 80's (just a sheer numbers thing) and batters face some pitchers who wouldn't make starting rotations back then. It's never fair to compare eras by stats.

I agree with much of that, but you also have to factor the development of the "specialty" pitcher which didn't really exist back then. Pitching staffs were sometimes only ten guys. They are 12 and even 13 these days.

Rarely did you get a pitcher coming in for one batter unless it was a key situation and it was one of their better hitters. Now it happens all the time, even in blowouts.

Scouting, development and physical conditioning is also much better these days. For much of the 80's and before, weight lifting was generally discouraged in baseball.

Personally, I'd rather face pitching on a regular basis back then as opposed to now.