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Reboot Cancelled?
So in light of Joss Whedon’s alleged behavior onset and problematic past, is it possible the Buffy reboot could ultimately be scrapped? I know he was recently fired from HBO so that certainly does bode well for his future. Personally I wouldn’t be disappointment as Buffy is best left unsullied by a needless reboot but that’s just my opinion.
I’m all for a reboot I don’t see the harm in it since it doesn’t affect the original series. A bad reboot can be disregarded whereas a bad sequel is a different story altogether. I feel like this generation could definitely use a really good female empowerment series.
This. A thousand times, this.
I lack your confidence about bad reboots
I think they started talking about the reboot before Disney bought Fox, so I think that has more to do w/ it being scrapped than anything to do w/ Joss Whedon’s PERSONAL life(I don’t care about Joss whedon cheating on his wife), or the allegations of telling a actor to say boo-yah, not helping him get his personal barber a film credit, & bad mouthing the previous director’s cut of the movie.
The reboot may very well be scrapped, or it may very well proceed without Whedon (some people would rant about that, but they're mostly people who are opposed to any reboot anyway, so who cares?). Or maybe nothing will happen, or maybe it'll be cancelled for reasons entirely unrelated to Whedon (it sure seems to have been going in circles for a while now).
As to whether there should be a reboot, I say emphatically YES. Any great story inspires multiple interpretations. That Buffy does so is a compliment, not "sullying" it. And frankly, I am sick of so-called "fans" preemptively attacking any new work and trying to discredit it or shut it down before its even made. That gatekeeper shit fucking ruined the Star Wars fandom and to some extent the franchise, and I don't want to see the same for Buffy.
Buffy is not some precious gem which must be guarded against any outside contact. Great stories inspire new interpretations. That's a big part of how they stay influential over not only decades but centuries or millennia. Do you think King Arthur would still matter if nobody had ever written about him since Malory for fear of "sullying" the classic?
If there's a reboot, I'll watch it. If its great, great. If it sucks, then I'll ignore it, and the original series will still exist, undiminished in its glory.
A sequel would be much more palatable to me & many others than a reboot sensu strictu.
i used to think buffy would be like batman, with multiple versions for generations. i find it strange a reboot has had such a hard time happening. i wonder if they have some sort of data that tells them it might be too much of a risk.
plus now covid and whatever it is going on with Joss. my guess is no one is currently still trying to make it happen anytime soon.
I don't think you're going to see a lot more franchises like the Marvel or DC heroes any time soon, with multiple versions for different generations. The True Fan brigade will never allow that to happen- they'll loudly denounce, smear, and boycott anything new as "ruining" the original, and harass anyone involved in or defending it off the internet, and because they're almost always the loudest voices on social media, companies will feel pressured to bow to their demands. Nothing exclusive to Buffy fandom of course, again see Disney and Star Wars- whatever one personally thinks of the new material, its clear that pretty much everything released since The Last Jedi has been written with the goal of placating the backlash against that film.
It will happen eventually because Hollywood is completely and utterly devoid of originality. I almost want it to so it can suck, fail and people can stop talking about them.
See this? This is that snobby, judgmental fandom gatekeeper shit I was talking about.
Edit: Its intellectually dishonest as well. Because you've already decided it will be bad before its made, and you're therefore invested in its failure. Which most likely means that you'll look for "failures" to bash it for, rather than judging it on its actual quality.
I am sick of every new work in a franchise being buried beneath an internet hate campaign (which usually ends up getting coopted by the neo-fascist crowd these days, and involving harassment of the actors, writers, etc), before it even airs.
It has nothing to do with fandom, tiger. Reboots have a nasty tendency of sucking. Why exactly do YOU think they have such a hard time rebooting it? This is the third attempt.
I hope it does happen. Then people that actually like the show can watch and discuss it. All the people that constantly whine about it can go watch the reboot.
Hope a reboot happens, it won't diminish nor will it brighten BtVS OS. Same characters completely different stories would work.
And this is the showrunner, perhaps more so than Joss.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monica_Owusu-Breen
As far as I can tell, she hasn't been hired for anything since the 2018 news came out about the re-boot, re-imagining of Buffy the TV show. So maybe she still has this on the front burner.
Owusu-Breen was actually hired as showrunner for Stumptown, the Colby Smulders show, but that was canceled recently.
Have a feeling a lot of stuff has been or will be canceled due to covid, as well.
She became showrunner for another show which has since been canceled.
There was never a reboot in thr works. The new show is not a reboot
Depends on how you define "reboot"- I've seen it used to refer both to sequels/spin-offs to an old show, and to remakes.
I think it would be really cool to see a reboot of Buffy something similar in tone to the Chilling Adventures of Sabrina would be interesting only like better so it doesn’t get cancelled lol.
Just looked into the Whedon drama, hadn’t read about the Justice League/Fisher stuff at all. Doesn’t surprise me after Charisma’s treatment in Angel season 4.
As for the reboot, in what capacity was he involved? It kind of seems dead in the water for now anyway, regardless of anything to do with Joss.
Reboots are a sign of creative impotence at the best of times, and I definitely don't want anything I love getting this treatment in this day and age. I'm sure it'll happen eventually though.
No, reboots are how new generations engage with a classic work. Do you have any idea how much classic literature the world would lose if we applied your philosophy? Everything based on reinterpreting old myths and legends, for a start- so that's everything written on King Arthur or Robin Hood in the last several centuries, Paradise Lost and Dante's Inferno and hell Good Omens, they're all basically Bible fanfic. Going to have to cut a lot of Shakespeare too, because apparently he took a lot of his ideas from earlier plays... And on and on.
A story which is afraid to reinvent itself or do anything new because it might somehow tarnish the original- THAT is "creative impotence".
Some stories need to be retold: some don't. And in between those extremes there are more bad ways to do it than good ones.
A reboot isn’t guaranteed to involve reinterpreting and other things that make revisiting a work of art worthwhile, not the way it's done by Hollywood anyway. Is it possible to luck out with another Battlestar Galactica? Eh, I could see it with a lesser show, not with Buffy though.
As for the classics, while they would often incorporate themes or whole plot lines from myth and history, they would normally expand on it, tell their own story, which is part of the reason why they've stood the test of time in the first place. Plus, the sources they were drawing from were usually nebulous enough to allow for one's imagination to run wild: the Bible, for instance, is quite barebones when it comes to heaven and hell; Arthur and Robin Hood were literally the stuff of legends and thus subject to each particular author’s discretion. It’s hardly fair to equate them to modern day reboots, which are often a simple paint job. Otherwise almost everything would qualify as a reboot, since creators don't live in a vacuum and are inevitably influenced by what came before.
Still, as I don't subscribe to the tarnished original school of thought, it's not a matter of life and death for me. The IP's return is imminent in one form or another, but it seems to me a waste of effort to do a reboot instead of an honest continuation, or better yet, an anthology series about slayers from different time periods, Tales of the Slayers style. I wouldn’t mind seeing that on screen. By the original writers, under Whedon’s supervision, some twenty years ago.
Any reboot won't come close to the original series. Might just be best to make 'Ripper' instead? 😃
Better question: Why not both?
I was so excited when I heard the rumblings for a potential Ripper spin off. Anthony Head could still do it now..!
Robin Sachs couldn't tho 🙁 RIP.
Well, if Robin w ere stilla live and they did a period-piece Ripper, younger actors would be acquired across the board. If ?66?-year-old Giles does a contemporary show titled Ripper ironically, the passage of time can explain absence of any character. I hope someday tos ee Vampire Circus
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A reboot can of course go ahead without Joss, but obviously we would miss the sarcasm and quick wit he brings. However saying that, I did not enjoy Justice League at all and the Flash character was my least favourite. Unfortunately, I feel Joss could have taken this movie towards a darker theme rather than falling back on his trusted humourous storytelling methods. He almost made a rod for his own back with the movie, becoming a one trick pony which just doesn't work as well anymore. As for the reboot, I think the Charmed reboot seemed to work quite well just as an example. The original Charmed wasn't as good as Buffy anyway, but they were around about the same time. That reboot has new characters but with the same powers/some storylines. I said this before, but although unpopular I'd like a male slayer as I never quite understood why they had to be female (in this day and age) although as a woman I do value strong female leads so in that sense I wouldn't hate another female slayer either. I just worry it'll be too samey as Buffy so not unique enough for me a second time around. I'd still watch it because I'm always lacking good supernatural shows in my life!
I'd watch but does anyone really care about the reboot?
Still hoping by some miracle one day the de aging technology is good enough and all the stars and moons align to have some continuation/perfect ending for Buffy and Angel. Whether it's a full season, a movie, a few movies, I'll take anything as long as its on screen with the original casts.
I’d rather it be a new chapter in the Buffyverse and not Buffy the Vampire Slayer.