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These are strange days, indeed. But in what alternative universe can anyone imagine Joe Biden actually making it through a presidential election campaign? The party he supposedly leads stuffed him into a broom closet last week after he gibbered through a session with CNN’s leading light Anderson Cooper. They can’t just hide the poor fellow there until November 3.

Asked about reopening everyday life in America, Mr. Biden said, “You know, there’s a… uh, during World War II, uh… you know, where Roosevelt came up with… a thing, uh, that, uh… you know, was totally different than a… than the… the, it’s called… he called it the… you know, the World War II… he had the war… the War Production Board….”

Everybody knows he’s dimmer than a night-lite, and everybody’s pretending it’s okay. There’s no analog in history for any faction putting up such an empty vessel for high office. Granted, the Democratic Party has trafficked in unreality for years, from Crossfire Hurricane through UkraineGate ­ — with side-trips like trannies in women’s sports — but those capers were just old-fashioned scams. Joe Biden for President is Emperor’s-New-Clothes caliber deceit, requiring a rank-and-file so marinated in falsehood they couldn’t tell you the difference between a red light and a green light.

So, you have to ask: what is their game? In the weeks that led up to the blossoming of Covid 19, the game was apparently to bump off Bernie Sanders to satisfy the party’s corporate sponsors, who were not so eager to back someone that promised to confiscate their wealth. Ironically, Covid 19 only fortified Bernie’s case that the nation’s obscenely crooked health care system demands drastic reform. Now, you could easily construct a scenario in which ol’ Bernie would have glided to victory in November on the basis of that, combined with unemployment figures that make the Great Depression look like a job fair.

Picking Joe Biden as the instrument to block Bernie seemed especially dumb just weeks after the Democrats’ impeachment gambit blew up in their faces by shining a fiercely revealing light on Joe and Hunter’s adventures in international grift. One can easily discern Mr. Biden’s motive for remaining in the race after that because sheltering in candidacy seemed to inoculate him from any criminal investigation. But, did the whole party want to go all-in on that?

Maybe so, because the doings in Ukraine circa 2014 included a large cast of characters in Barack Obama’s state department ­– not least, Secretary of State John Kerry ­– plus the entire George Soros network of international backstage finaglers, with tendrils to Jeffrey Epstein’s nefarious operations ­– in short, a can of worms so slithery and disgusting they make the Democratic Party look like a primordial sink of species dumped into Mother Nature’s discontinued merchandise bin. Note: none of that has been adjudicated yet and don’t assume they’ll get off scot-free.

Then there is the sexual molestation charge against Mr. Biden by ex-staffer Tara Reade, who claims the then-Senator violated her manually in 1993. The New York Times editors sang la-la-la-la-la-la-kittens-and-puppies for two weeks before they even acknowledged the accusation, only to dismiss it because, well, it was like… you know, where Roosevelt came up with… a thing, uh, that, uh… you know, was totally different than a….

There really are only two plausible game plans for the Dems with Joe Biden. One is that he’s a mere placeholder until the convention – assuming it can even be held — where party bigwigs are forced to undo their Biden blunder by some legerdemain of rules-fudging, and cram in a last-minute replacement. The putative savior would be none other than She-Whose-Turn-Was-Thwarted in 2016, on the grounds that she at least knows how to run for president, even if she isn’t very good at it. They might as well hand every delegate a dixie-cup of cyanide-enhanced kool-aid as they cast that fateful vote.

The other pretty obvious scheme, seemingly underway now, is to fix up Mr. Biden with a running-mate who can take over his duties twenty-three minutes after the inauguration ceremony. Stacey Abrams, the self-proclaimed “real governor of Georgia” who, in fact, lost that election but has made out nicely hustling her delusions, is campaigning arduously for the VP appointment. Wouldn’t that make a heck of an appealing ticket?

Apparently, that’s one more memo the Democratic Party did not get: America no longer has time for identity politics. There are more important things to attend to, like whether large numbers of people go to bed hungry, get cast out of their homes, live or die. Things like that. For the moment, the USA doesn’t have an economy. Nor does much of the rest of the world. Believe me, that’s a problem. And unlike Mr. Biden’s dementia, there’s no pretense about not noticing it.


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  1. shotho April 20, 2020 at 10:19 am #

    In today’s political world you can make up any scenario you wish and it might be true. 1. Democrats win in a landslide; 2. Trump wins in a landslide; 3. Both win; 4. Nobody wins; Does it make any difference who wins? Happy days are here again.

  2. DrTomSchmidt April 20, 2020 at 10:20 am #

    “the doings in Ukraine circa 2014 included a large cast of characters in Barack Obama’s state department ­– not least, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton”

    My bad.You’re right. Correcting. It was John Kerry, whose stepson was placed on the Burisma Board — JHK Admin

    Hillary wasn’t Secretary of State In 2014, JHK. She helped launch the Libya debacle, but Ukraine was others.

    I cannot believe that the Dem establishment will push her. She has failed twice. You don’t get three bites at the Apple, like William Jennings Bryan. Or Stevenson, for that matter.

    It’ll be a white woman, though: as you note, even the Dems seem to recognize that identity politics is over.

  3. fugeguy April 20, 2020 at 10:23 am #

    I just can’t imagine the debates.

    Biden used to be a fair debater but at some point he will wander off into incoherence.

    Just ugly…

  4. bluekayak April 20, 2020 at 10:24 am #

    Our owners have decided that Trump stays in another 4 years; the Dems are throwing the so-called kabuki fight just like the Repubs did in 2012 with Mittens’ palpably half-assed campaign.

  5. Dee Jones April 20, 2020 at 10:26 am #

    Greetings from Costa Rica!

    Just thinking bout the world situation the other day, and thought “Whats Jimmy got to say?” Well, pretty much the same old thing. Nothing new here, move right along.

    And Wow, not much else has changed, except that Jimmy has become a Trumpster! Wow, sort of like Jews for Hitler.

    Disappointing really. Hasta luego. Probably wont be back.

    • MargfromTassie May 8, 2020 at 1:01 pm #

      Hi Dee,
      I’m with you. Having bought 3 of Jim’s books in the past, I wonder what’s happened to him. I suspect, (a la Jordan Peterson) , he’s discovered that the more critical he is of liberals and progressives, the more his Patreon account fills. How anyone of any real intelligence and genuine concern for the well being of the US, could be so uncritical of the present Occupant of the White House and his administration and so obviously preferring the GOP to the Democrats, is beyond me.
      What has Mr Kunstler got to say about the Trump administration’s windback of regulations regarding air and water quality, consumer protections, worker’s rights, workplace safety, healthcare, agricultural standards, environmental protections or flora and fauna etc.? What has Jim got to say about Trumps tax cuts for the rich and his cuts to public education and social welfare services, including food stamps? Not to mention Trumps alienation of some traditional allies on the world stage, his “falling in love” with dictators like Kim and his despicable handling of the corona crisis. I’m not keen on Biden and honestly feel that Bernie Sanders is what the US needs now, but better Biden and his appointees than that this monstrous, uncouth, misogynistic, narcissistic draft- dodging sociopath should continue as President . With Biden there is some hope that the nation may eventually become more progressive and make the necessary reforms it needs as time goes by. With Trump continuing in office, it will be all over for America.

  6. Ron Anselmo April 20, 2020 at 10:30 am #

    We’ll miss you Dee. Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

  7. michics April 20, 2020 at 10:30 am #

    Having been a long term Democrat like our host, I agree with Jim’s take on the current party. It’s in a shambles. I tend to lean towards the 2nd option of a strong VP pick that can take over for ol lone some Joe. Though not likely, Michelle Oboma has been tossed around as a running mate. She is very well liked by people on both sides of aisle and would likely be able to consolidate the Bernie fan’s. We will see.

  8. James Kuehl April 20, 2020 at 10:31 am #

    Progressives don’t want to confiscate wealth but wish to disallow sheltering vast fortunes in offshore accounts that shield them from taxes. Joe Biden proved himself untrustworthy when he pilfered a Neil Kinnock speech in 1988. In the matchup between these two blithering bullshitters, Trump wins by virtue of still having more fire in the belly.

  9. newworld April 20, 2020 at 10:31 am #

    Speaking of practical matters, out here in America our normally well stocked regional grocery store has some issues with some items, canned goods and prepared meats and even onions were in short supply. Maybe Walmart our other store is doing better since they have a larger network, but that was last week when we shopped there.

    Identity politics, yes pray that scam is over, Libs cry “racism”, Cons play idiot defense attorney and sign over only half that was demanded by Libs, then repeat as needed.

  10. venuspluto67 April 20, 2020 at 10:31 am #

    Maybe I’m just naive, but I have a hard time imagining the DNC being dumb enough to shoehorn Hillary in at the convention (which will likely be a virtual convention on the Internets), nincompoops though they are. More likely it would be somebody like New York Governor Mario Cuomo or California Governor Gavin Newsom. Those are the names that are being bandied about, anyway. If it’s going to be the second scenario, the likely “VP-in-charge” will probably be Minnesota Senator Amy Klobuchar, Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer, or maybe even Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Warren.

    That said, it really is flabbergasting to observe how far gone Joe Biden is in his dementia (he makes Trump seem semi-coherent in comparison) and how the Democratic Party faithful on social media think they can cover it up by chanting “Russian asset! Russian asset! Russian asset!” at anybody who dares point out that the emperor is buck nekkid in the middle of Main Street!

  11. Zoltar April 20, 2020 at 10:31 am #

    Having never registered with either of America’s odious political parties, I have, in the past, felt less estranged from the Democrats, who at least traditionally let some of their political spoils trickle down to their constituency, rather than proffering them all to a handful of oligarchs at the top.
    But I do insist that “my side” continue to hold some moral high ground, however slender. That no longer being the case, I will be damned if I will vote for their lousy candidate, no matter how atrocious the alternative.
    A pox on both houses, as they are a pox upon this nation.

  12. Walter B April 20, 2020 at 10:32 am #

    I don’t think that the Party of Rodan the Flying Reptile actually likes the fact that Uncle Joe is the apparent choice, rather they are simply returning the favors that the Republicans did when they ran Bob Dole, John McCain, and Mitt Romney. That is in order to take turns with eight year stints in the Not So White House, the other party puts up a slug that guarantees the incumbent, or whose ever “turn” it is to return or take over. Yes I recall that Her Royal Lowness decried that it was “her turn”, but that was just a hint to us all that they DO in fact, take turns with us.

    DJT is being set up for an easy victory so that for the next four years the Leftie Loonies can unsuccessfully impeach him once again because it is easier than actually working. After that, in 2025 it will be their turn to pick their poison and put Mario Junior or HRC into office at last. Oh yes, she will still be above ground because true evil does not die. And once she or Mario Jr. gets in, starting in their second term they can finally implement the three and a half years of tribulation ending in 2033 and the fulfillment of prophecy.

    There a story in there somewhere Jim. Care to write the screenplay?

  13. teddyc April 20, 2020 at 10:34 am #

    “And there’s uncle Joe, he’s a movin kind of slow, at the junction”
    gerantocracy, junction.

  14. michics April 20, 2020 at 10:43 am #

    If the DNC / Joe group can select a very strong likable running mate that people can support and then state that he, Joe will only serve one term might generate enough support to unseat DJT. This whole election cycle should be about unseating the Don and offering a possible positive future. 4 more years of the Don will be disasterous for the country.

    Michics– What on earth makes you think Joe B can serve a four-year term? –JHK-Admin

  15. BackRowHeckler April 20, 2020 at 10:45 am #

    For the Dems, trafficking in unreality may have begun a long time ago. In the 1918-1920 flu pandemic, which killed 675,000 Americans, there is no record of President Wilson ever once issuing a public statement on the disaster. He stayed out of it apparently.

  16. venuspluto67 April 20, 2020 at 10:48 am #

    Another thing to ponder: Petroleum is $11 a barrel as of this morning. How the blazes does the US fracking industry survive that (which is exactly the question Russia and Saudi Arabia asked themselves when they decided to flood the already glutted petroleum market)?

  17. Mountain gal April 20, 2020 at 10:52 am #

    At this point I have no intention of voting as there isn’t anyone to vote for. Adding Stacey Abrams to the ticket could well change that; would vote for the Orange man rather than see her as Prez. Basically anyone who runs as the veep with Biden will end up as the President so that’s rather scary. Actually it’s all rather scary. That this is the best that a country of this size can do………..

  18. sunburstsoldier April 20, 2020 at 10:52 am #

    “Apparently, that’s one more memo the Democratic Party did not get: America no longer has time for identity politics. There are more important things to attend to, like whether large numbers of people go to bed hungry, get cast out of their homes, live or die. Things like that. For the moment, the USA doesn’t have an economy. Nor does much of the rest of the world. Believe me, that’s a problem. And unlike Mr. Biden’s dementia, there’s no pretense about not noticing it.”

    This is a point many (including myself until very recently) on this forum have yet to grasp. Western civilization is beginning its long slide towards sustainability, yet we are still caught up debating the impact of climate change, the politics of Left versus Right, etc., as if any of this still matters. What we should do at this point is set aside the pre-collapse frame of reference, and begin to think in terms of a post-collapse scenario which will involve “downscaling, relocalizing, and simplifying the terms of everyday life.” In other words we have to become early adapters. This is important not just for ourselves. The world post-collapse will be desperate for leadership, those who have prepared themselves mentally to not only survive but thrive when “the old order passes away and all things are made new”…

  19. snagglepuss April 20, 2020 at 10:59 am #

    @venuspluto67
    April 20, 2020 at 10:48 am #

    Scuse me, but who “flooded the market first”?? Wasn’t it the US shale producers? Funny how the ‘villians’ are always the ‘other guys’, never the USA who can do as they please in the marketplace.

  20. butter56 April 20, 2020 at 11:03 am #

    Ten dollar oil this morning. I feel an additional comment by our host coming before the end of the day.

  21. RB April 20, 2020 at 11:03 am #

    Trump is losing his financial ass as the economy continues to go around the bowl for the final flush. I wonder if he will decide to take a salary after all. I imagine he is wondering if a second term would be worth it except for the fact that a democratic administration will continue to investigate, harass him to his grave. One thing is sure, he has done a lot to jam the gears of the world’s political machinery especially in the land of the partially free and the home of the unemployed. The long term unemployed. I do not think anyone has a firm idea of how bad off things are and might well get worse. A lot worse.

  22. teddyboy46 April 20, 2020 at 11:10 am #

    Note: none of that has been adjudicated yet and don’t assume they’ll get off scot-free.

    IMHO They will get off scot free because they already have.

    ” If the Deep State was really afraid of Trump. The Deep State never would have allowed Joe Biden to be the nominee.” Caitlyn Johnstone.

    I think she is absolutely right about this. There is a pattern of Candidates who could not win. John McCain , John Kerry , Mitt Romney and Poor Hillary she did not realize the party was over. She reminds me of Gloria Swanson in Sunset Boulevard. Back in the day Hillary really had it going.

  23. venuspluto67 April 20, 2020 at 11:13 am #

    @Snagglepus: I had no intention of conveying that there were any “good guys” or “bad guys” in this, just a bunch of typical humans who are all out for themselves (whether individually or collectively).

  24. oilie April 20, 2020 at 11:22 am #

    As a woman of color, Liz Warren might be a good choice for VP. Everything in one package ready to take over on inauguration day.

  25. Ishabaka April 20, 2020 at 11:33 am #

    I’ll say it again – it’s time for Joe Biden to take the Montreal Cognitive Assessment Test, as President Trump did. If he passes, fine. If not, he must resign.

  26. SW April 20, 2020 at 11:34 am #

    Covid-19 was the best thing that ever happened to Biden. He can slide (mostly) under the radar while all the news is virus, virus, virus, Tara ‘s accusations are ignored and nobody cares about Ukraine anymore either. There will be no debates and my guess too is that Stacey Abrams will be VP pick as neither Amy or Mayor Pete generated much enthusiasm. The Democrats desperately need their African-American base energized enough to get out and vote. Either Biden will be drug across the finish line or a surprise substitute will be found due to Biden’s ill health. What a mess.

    The country will be 50% open by the end of the first week in May — my own prediction. It’s been doable up until now b/c they could stock from warehouses but they’ve got to be replenished.

  27. bluedog April 20, 2020 at 11:37 am #

    Hmm everyone’s talking about WHO when it really doesn’t matter,it would be a more interesting subject with the question being “why do you bother voting” when you know the systems cooked or is it simply a way to blow off steam.Every time you run to the polls you only put the yoke around your own neck,or bind yourselves with golden chains of all the promises that are never kept,or maybe for some its just the excitement of yet another campaign while you can’t wait for the next one.!!!!

  28. sunburstsoldier April 20, 2020 at 11:49 am #

    As I said everyone here is still talking politics as if it actually matters. I understand confronting the actual reality of our situation can generate a lot of fear, but that fear isn’t going anyplace until we face it. Papering over our fear with ceaseless chatter only postpones the inevitable. The day of reckoning has arrived and the enemy we must meet is ourselves…

  29. GreenAlba April 20, 2020 at 11:52 am #

    “At this point I have no intention of voting as there isn’t anyone to vote for. ”

    If I decided that no-one merited my vote, I’d still vote and spoil my paper with a ‘none of the above’, because spoiled papers are counted, while non-votes go in the ‘apathy’ column. They shouldn’t be allowed to get away with that, in my view.

  30. JohnAZ April 20, 2020 at 11:53 am #

    Oh, they know how bad it can get if this shutdown continues. The economy is the distribution of scarcity which everything is about to become, scarce. It is entirely fitting that one of the first items is what we wipe our butts with.

    $10 oil, who’d of thunk it. Down 42% today. Something happened big time. As the banks look around trying to figure out who to give credit to, I would imagine that frackers are way down on the list. Looking forward to JHKs reaction to this coming disaster. I would not be surprised if someone way up is manipulating the market trying to put another nail in the USA coffin. We are so damn dependent on China and the rest of the world that we no longer have leverage on our own future. Thanks, all you International corporate traitors. BTW, where are you going relocate when the US tanks?

    Two things

    One, Trump needs to punish the international pirates in the petroleum game. Fill up the reserve now, I think he is doing that. Then punish SA and Russia with enough tariffs to keep fracking going for the next few years. Then use the tariffs to finance states and locals for alternate energy generation. Remember that if the economy recovers, if, we are going to need all forms of energy, all the gas and oil plus much more green sources. One way of cutting back on imported oil is to create energy with other sources. Both the Fossil Fuel folks and the alternative folks should get a win out of this. C’mon Trump, get past the big oil folks, they are part of the bad guys.

    Second, someone or a group knows exactly what is going on here. If they break the oil fracking group here, we are finished as no. 1. Exactly what the Communists in China want. I do not understand why our elites want this to happen, why does the Left want to destroy the US. Cargill, et al, your Leftist enclaves are going to go down the same drain as the USA. You better get a handle on what is actually going on around the world. The US bailed Australia’s ass out of the Japanese fire in the forties. It is difficult seeing you jump into the Chinese fire today. LBJ was afraid of the Domino Effect in the 60s with Russia taking over the SE Asia oil fields. Even then, the one power Ho Chi Minh feared was his neighbors to the north. And let me tell you, China would like nothing better than having the SE Asia oil under their control. Is Australia next?

    The world’s power game is a chess match. Russia used to be the opponent, no longer. Either the world wakes up to what is going on, or we better all be studying how to speak Chinese.

    BTW, what scares me most of all is that 50% of the US is convinced that the China uprising is a good thing and the US is the bad guy. Hope you all like the dictatorship that may be coming.

  31. sunburstsoldier April 20, 2020 at 11:56 am #

    Reposted from the previous thread:

    “The people I wrote about are..early adapters. They share some cardinal virtues: self-reliance, grit, a clear sense of purpose, ingenuity, an array of skills, resilience, and, most of all, an allergy to conventional thinking. They’re intellectuals in the broad sense of being engaged with ideas, but they are primarily concerned with getting things done in their lives, with taking action. These are characteristics that have enabled human beings to survive and thrive through all the ups and downs of civilization. In the late techno-industrial age, though, it’s been possible for people to thrive by doing as little as just showing up—for an unsatisfying job, or an appearance at the social services office, or picking up a dividend check in the mailbox. It required very little initiative to stay in the game. ” JHK; Living in the Long Emergency.

    Another key point. The techno-industrial age under whose ephemeral umbrella we have lived our lives has not been conducive to the development of individuals capable of adapting in a post-collapse environment. Quite the opposite. After all, obesity, laziness, and stupidity are not exactly characteristics or features benefiting us post-collapse. Thus there is a real need for us to toughen up, mentally and physically. Will we wait until the last moment or will we begin now to train for the future? Will we too be early adapters or will we be the stragglers, the ones who fall behind along the arduous trek towards a sustainable world?

  32. dplainview April 20, 2020 at 11:57 am #

    Dementia is a ruse for himself and others to avoid prosecutions.
    AKA: Taking one for the team.

  33. wpa_ccc April 20, 2020 at 11:59 am #

    “Greetings from Costa Rica!” — Dee Jones

    You are missed, Dee. Your contributions were always appreciated. You were smart to move to Costa Rica. Sorry to say, your assessment of the situation is also correct. Thanks for checking in.

  34. noel bodie April 20, 2020 at 12:01 pm #

    As unappealing as Mr. Biden is there remains only one basic question to be answered this November: democracy or fascism? That is what is on the ballot. Or to be more specific in light of the Koch/DeVos sponsored demonstrations: ballots or bullets?

  35. Soloview April 20, 2020 at 12:07 pm #

    FWIW, I don’t think there’s going to be either Stacey Abrams or the Wicked Witch of the East Wing on Biden’s ticket. And I don’t think Biden will have say in it. He can’t unscramble impinging swarm of syllables into a coherent sentence or figure which shoe goes on which foot. It will be always, in situations of a leader’s brain going soft (Brezhnev, Reagan) the smart boys and girls behind the throne who decide things. And I think, they know that either of the two would be a losing proposition. Neither of them has political skills or distinction. Hillary’s numbers in 2016 reflected the pull of her ownership of the DNC, and hysteria over Trump (as lampooned by Kate McKinnon on SNL, in “He will kill us all”), not genuine popularity. That political machine is no longer there to counter her self-portrait as a sore-loser bitch. Abrams has simply no appeal whatsoever, no history, machine or national constituency. She is just an obnoxious whiner. The smart boys and girls know that and will go for someone else. The smart move would be to recruit Michelle Obama but Amy Klobuchar might do as well, unless Andrew Cuomo really wants it and the media mob forgives him cutting Medicaid in the state budget during the pandemic.

  36. City_of_76 April 20, 2020 at 12:09 pm #

    I’m no fan of Biden, but I’ll choose him as the lesser of two evils. There are no perfect candidates, so get over the diction you find demented, and the “shady” backroom dealings. We’ve been stuck with the profoundly corrupt and useless President Trump. Biden and his woman VP (remember, he committed to that during the debates) will be a move in the right direction.

    A Biden administration won’t be a silver bullet, and not ideal, but that’s the people’s choice. By which I mean that Biden won many of the primary states handily. And that was with very little campaign apparatus to back him. When ordinary Democratic primary voters were asked to vote, they picked a seasoned and reasonable former Vice President as the best guy to push out the mad king Trump. That’s a very sensible thing to do and while it’s not my choice, now that it’s down to this Biden-Trump content, it’s a done deal. Trump’s gotta go.

    Sayin’ it again: Average Democratic voters in primary states picked Biden. Not a giant apparatus, not millions of dollars in advertising, not thugs, not fake ballots. Voters. And that’s who we need to expunge Trump. Voters, the great majority of whom are decent & reasonable people, are sick of Trump, his bungling and crudities, his corrupt and incompetent cronies and family. Voters are going to cast their votes in November in sufficient numbers to win for Biden.

    It’s pretty simple. It doesn’t take a fantastic conspiracy to figure that out.

  37. rainmaker April 20, 2020 at 12:15 pm #

    Behind our place of business is an old rental house. The current occupants are; a 300 lb grandma, smokes, no job, daughter, copy of her mother, 2 kids, no husband, no job. Brother Jimmy, asthmatic, 40 something, periodically on oxygen, no job. I’m sure that they are all on disability, food assistance, section 8, ect… How are working people who are not making it now going to keep paying the bills for these kind of people? Just askin…

  38. dah plunge protection team April 20, 2020 at 12:16 pm #

    The US economy took a lethal dose of cyanide in 1970. It officially died in the 2008. It’s been a zombie ever since.

  39. Ron Anselmo April 20, 2020 at 12:32 pm #

    City of 76, when was the last time you cleaned out your crack pipe?

  40. wpa_ccc April 20, 2020 at 12:32 pm #

    Evidently dementia is not a disqualifier for the presidency. People knew Trump could not stay with a topic, or find complex words, or form complete sentences. The content of Trump’s words is often nonsensical.

    Trump has trouble connecting the present to a distant past or to history. That is common in progressive dementia. Trump speaks of Thomas Edison as if he were a contemporary of Elon Musk. He mentions light bulbs and the wheel as if they were recent inventions like the electric car. Trump’s impairment should be very clear to everyone. Trump’s speech is not normal, except in showing cognitive decline.

    Now, let’s talk about family nepotism and corruption. A comparison of Trump and Biden, with regard to abuse of power and putting family members in paid positions, does not come out well for Trump.

  41. JohnAZ April 20, 2020 at 12:32 pm #

    Dah plunge

    How do you kill a zombie?

    If the economy does not open up, a stake is going to be driven through this country’s heart. Will that kill the zombie?

    BTW, that is exactly what the Democrat’s want. I notice that most Red governors Want their economies turned on, the Blues are clobbering Trump saying they do not have enough testing. The last thing the Blues want is the economy to come back quickly getting Trump re-elected. Like Bill Maher, the Blues want the US public to be hurt in order to beat Trump. If the public elects Biden, they are going to get exactly what they deserve. Dee Jones may have made a great move, getting out of here.

  42. venuspluto67 April 20, 2020 at 12:33 pm #

    @76: If Biden (assuming he’s on the ticket) wins, it will likely be on account of Trump’s mismanagement of the pandemic crisis (and in my book, using the effects of the pandemic to try to kill the Post Office is a pretty big strike against Trump, too). Though it really should be pointed out that Biden got the equivalent of millions of dollars in advertising from a mainstream media apparatus that convinced a very large number of Boomer voters that it was important to get behind Biden as the “electable” alternative for beating Trump the Nazi Russian Monster.

  43. lateStarter April 20, 2020 at 12:34 pm #

    Or maybe, Biden is a master plan counter-strike? Picture the debates: 2 incoherent nitwits shouting past each other, totally oblivious to what they or the other guy has said.

    Both team’s media support can post it as a win. Facts are not important. VP pic for the Dem party will be the key. Either way, we the ‘non 1%’ people lose. Game over for USA.

    It was a nice ride…

  44. JohnAZ April 20, 2020 at 12:39 pm #

    WPA

    Your comparison of Trump and Biden is ludicrous. It is a wash how much both of them are corrupted. Trump still out humps every one in DC, which they hate him for.

    You say that his speech is incomprehensible? I notice that lots of folks “get it” when he speaks. So much so that they have developed an industry to tear every detail he says down, the MSM.

    Maybe your inability to comprehend him is your problem, not his.

  45. trolleybill April 20, 2020 at 12:42 pm #

    When kids were heading to Woodstock I was a draftee headed for Ft. Campbell, KY for basic training. I took auto mechanics that my high school had a cool garage in Cleveland. My Dad a WWII Artillery man shooting down Buzz bombs from the English coast. After D-Day they moved across the channel to Belgium to get closer to the launching sites. Back home he became a city bus driver. After 21 years in 1968 he was robbed twice at gun point for some lousy 30 bucks and his changer. (So much for the second great migration) because they made change which is why it’s exact change today. Dad left driving a bus and went into business with his brother. The business was 20 miles away in the semi-rural hinterlands that is mega housing today. Dad sold our east side Cleveland home he bought for $12K in 1949 and sold it for $12K in 1968. White flight my ass is what leftist will tell you. No It was plummeting real estate prices mainly. In an inflation calculator 1949 $12K would be worth $17.5K in 1968 plus rising estate prices. First off the Government was all into desegregation and had no care about how it would destroy established communities. Tell me how blacks from the south could get into buying a house. Real estate agents made big money scaring white residents to sell before the price drops even more. The (D) party in every big northern city were also smacking their lips to get all these voters…Oooh Weee I’s your new neighbor! The (D) party has been reveled to be Socialist to the bone and are no different than the Chinese CCP except their not fully in control and people are starting to see now. I wonder why they didn’t see them from the start with social engineering back in the 60’s

  46. JohnAZ April 20, 2020 at 12:46 pm #

    Cargill

    Australia has joined the US in wanting an international probe of China regarding the origins of the virus.

    There is hope for you all yet.

    Interesting point also. If the US was the source of the virus as China is wanting to insinuate, why does the US want the further investigation? Who are the folks that are trying to alibi and hide facts? Who is hiding And maybe killing all The folks involved in the mess? Not the US!!

  47. Janos Skorenzy April 20, 2020 at 12:48 pm #

    No time for Identity politics? In other words, all the races are going to come together? That’s not reality. When Identity Politics end, Identity War begins, politics being the extension of war by other means and vice versa.

    What’s the status of the Blog?

  48. MiddlePeninsula April 20, 2020 at 12:49 pm #

    That Clinton woman as a running mate….not sure that will fly with the me too crowd. Old Willie boy has has a slimy trail of bad behavior extending from plain old poor judgment to outright rape (if you believe Juanita Broddrick). And our feminist champion, Mrs. Willie spent her time further beating down these victims as if dealing with her husband’s nether parts wasn’t sufficient enough punishment.

    I pray to the good Lord every night that the Clintons ride off into the dustbin of history.

  49. Beryl of Oyl April 20, 2020 at 12:50 pm #

    “I can now add anyone from the WHO or CDC to my list of people I will never trust. I trust gas station sushi and movie theater hot dogs more than these people. They have proven to be incompetent liars and whores servicing their political Johns. Both organizations have been funded to the tune of tens of billions and they didn’t see this pandemic coming, didn’t prepare for an entirely predictable event, covered up the nature and extent of the virus, lied to the public about the benefits of masks, produced defective tests, touted death models that have proven to be entirely worthless, and to cover-up their ineptitude and deceit, they are now cooking the books to make the deaths appear higher than facts indicate.”

    The world has been led into a global shutdown by inept, intellectual yet idiot leaders who are either incapable of critical thinking or are on the take from the globalists using this faux crisis to enact their long-term goal of one world control. It becomes clearer every day, from the patriotic commercials being run by the mega-corporations, to the left wing bullshit concert on virtually every TV station last night, to the ever increasing stock bubble, and the endless “human interest” hero stories about virus survivors and the overwhelmed nurses and doctors (with enough time to do Tik Tok dance videos), this event is being used to further multiple agendas by multiple bad actors.”

    https://www.theburningplatform.com/2020/04/19/burning-down-the-house-3/

  50. Janos Skorenzy April 20, 2020 at 12:51 pm #

    A vote for Biden is a recognition that the Office of President doesn’t matter per se and thus a consent to be ruled by unseen individuals or powers behind him who pull his strings.

    Of course such may be the case with a normally functioning individual as well and probably is to a greater or lesser extent. But with someone like Biden, the reality can’t be hidden any more.

  51. Janos Skorenzy April 20, 2020 at 12:56 pm #

    JS: White House Petition that has already gained over 295,000 votes. Access it over on Infowars. Sign if you value your personal freedom and the freedom of America and the World.

    As we look at events surrounding the “COVID-19 pandemic,” various questions remain unanswered. On Oct. 18th of 2019, only weeks prior to ground zero being declared in Wuhan, China, two major events took place. One is “Event 201,” the other is the “Military World Games,” held in none other than Wuhan. Since then a worldwide push for vaccines & biometric tracking has been initiated.

    At the forefront of this is Bill Gates, who has publicly stated his interest in “reducing population growth” by 10-15%, by means of vaccination. Gates, UNICEF & WHO have already been credibly accused of intentionally sterilizing Kenyan children through the use of a hidden HCG antigen in tetanus vaccines.

    Congress & all other governing bodies are derelict in duty until a thorough and public inquiry is complete.

  52. WayfaringStranger April 20, 2020 at 12:56 pm #

    Identity Politics is not over. It will be back, soon It will “violate us all manually”, and no one will listen to our pleas for help.

  53. stelmosfire April 20, 2020 at 12:59 pm #

    WPAsoka says “as if they were recent inventions like the electric car.”

    The first practical electric car was invented in 1880. Moron

  54. venuspluto67 April 20, 2020 at 1:00 pm #

    Oil down to six dollars a barrel?! I’m waiting for Alan Funt to burst upon the scene and say, “Smile, you’re on ‘Candid Camera!'”

  55. Janos Skorenzy April 20, 2020 at 1:01 pm #

    Indeed of Beryl of Oz, indeed! The Flu is way down this year – all of it being called “Corvid 19”. The Scam is transparent. Simplicity being the cornerstone of all great scams and plans. You either see or it or you don’t. Most don’t and the compliance has been overwhelming. Thus Empowered, the Global Elite will move forward with their plans to watch our every move, constrict us, and chip us.

    The half awake are also prevalent. Screaming about Bill Gates not being a doctor (as if doctors have the right to rule us) and that he didn’t even graduate from college! Let’s face it: the man is a genius. He’s not dumb, he’s bad.

  56. Janos Skorenzy April 20, 2020 at 1:03 pm #

    Dee, it’s me, Vlad. I miss destroying you.

  57. stelmosfire April 20, 2020 at 1:09 pm #

    WTI starts the day at 15 and now 5 bucks. WTF? Brent is still at 25-26 what gives with that?

  58. Pucker April 20, 2020 at 1:13 pm #

    A bunch of rough-looking transgenders could probably gang rape Joe Biden in the back of his limousine, and he wouldn’t remember it? Dump him out on a street corner late at night, and he wouldn’t remember because of his Alzheimer’s.

  59. wpa_ccc April 20, 2020 at 1:14 pm #

    “The first practical electric car was invented in 1880. Moron”

    By Elon Musk? The comment made by Trump was in the context of Tesla and Elon Musk. The invention of the wheel, light bulbs, and Tesla electric cars are not contemporaneous, except in Trump’s mind.

  60. WayfaringStranger April 20, 2020 at 1:17 pm #

    LOL at the guy sending people over to Infowars to sign their names on an “NSA Please Watch Me Closely” list. (iIf they value their personal freedom…)

  61. stelmosfire April 20, 2020 at 1:18 pm #

    I didn’t know Edison invented the wheel. When was that?

  62. stelmosfire April 20, 2020 at 1:20 pm #

    WTI 3.30! will it be free soon?

  63. stelmosfire April 20, 2020 at 1:20 pm #

    Are they going to have to pay to get rid of the surplus?

  64. rhys12 April 20, 2020 at 1:25 pm #

    It is hard to see how the Democrats hope to win with Biden, all Trump has to do is force Joe out on the campaign trail and illustrate his dementia to the people. (Incidentally, dementia is no joke and I feel sorry for him. He very likely doesn’t realize the problem himself). The Dems must feel the “anyone but Trump” sentiment is good enough to win even with Joe. They would be better nominating Cuomo. Having a strong candidate would win them the election.

    Unfortunately, the United States has degenerated to the point that no one who is competent would want the thankless job of President, so only the incompetent, greedy, and power-hungry who are wealthy enough to finance their own campaigns are running.

    Absent a miracle, we can look forward to four to eight years of incompetent leadership, no matter which party wins, and the US economy going over the lip of the waterfall.

  65. Janos Skorenzy April 20, 2020 at 1:26 pm #

    Way: Stand up and be counted. We’ve got to stop this thing if possible. Btw, it’s not an Infowars petition per se. It can be accessed in other places. That’s how I found it. In any case, the quieter we are, the more momentum the Elite will get moving towards this.

    Of course you may be ready for the Apocalypse and/or RaHoWa. I respect that too.

  66. Janos Skorenzy April 20, 2020 at 1:29 pm #

    Dee, “Jimmy has become a Trumpster”. What an impossibly stupid thing to say. But you always did have talent in this regard….

  67. JohnAZ April 20, 2020 at 1:42 pm #

    Just checked. Oil is $2.64 a barrel, down 85% today.

    Nah, there is no conspiracies here,

    BS!!

  68. JohnAZ April 20, 2020 at 1:43 pm #

    Do I smell 1929 again, which was an elitist conspiracy.

  69. akmofo April 20, 2020 at 1:44 pm #

    Janos, I salute you! Keep it up!

  70. Janos Skorenzy April 20, 2020 at 1:46 pm #

    Tanks, buddy!

  71. JohnAZ April 20, 2020 at 1:47 pm #

    Dementia? Maybe.

    Another alternative is meds. Statin drugs for one affects the speed of brain processing and causes hesitation in speaking. Also memory loss.

    Think of a PC running at half speed.

    Or of wireless in a 5G network only running at half speed. Lots of buffering!

  72. akmofo April 20, 2020 at 1:48 pm #

    JAZ,

    We’re now at $1

  73. Janos Skorenzy April 20, 2020 at 1:50 pm #

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8233783/Sweden-herd-immunity-month-claims-infectious-diseases-chief.html

    The last gasp of Nordic Supremacy. They were right and everywhere else has been wrong, more or less. Israel fell for it. Even the great National Socialist, Modi, fell for it. Now tens of millions of India’s poor face starvation in the near future. How could a man like this be so fucking stupid? Or is he complicit in the Plot Against the World?

  74. WayfaringStranger April 20, 2020 at 1:53 pm #

    As to the actual point of this piece, since the heckling isn’t fun with the fucked up WordPress thing which will probably end up being “not a bug it’s a feature” –

    Something is really, really wrong. Big picture, bigger than the virus, Trump’s crudités, etc. Everyone is struggling trying to find the way it all makes sense. But we can’t, because it does not make sense.
    Something else is going to happen. Some final insult. Some element we don’t know yet will be revealed, some other shoe will drop.
    Someone, or several someones have to know what this will be, but I don’t and you all sure don’t. It’s a big club? and we ain’t in it? Remember?

    Things are really really really fucked up. There’s a veneer of normalcy but they are REAAAAAALLY fucked up. Something else weird will happen, probably before the election or right during it. Something weird will happen, you can feel it out there. It’s not just Biden treading water, everyone is, waiting…And being an “early adopter” is not going to be an option because no one gets advance notice – bam, it’s here, whatever it is.
    I think it’s better to watch and wait and admit you don’t know, rather than be like Sunday Soldier and preach about the glowing pastoral paradise that will OF COURSE be the only possible future. Not massive levels of robotics ushered in, nothing like that, nope. It will be sustainable and happy Hobbits running naked through the periwinkle.

    Anyways. We’re all in purgatory folks, waiting to see what our fates will be.

  75. akmofo April 20, 2020 at 1:56 pm #

    The pharma mafia is very strong here. TEVA is Israeli. But Bibi made a speech right after Passover to get people back to work. So Israel is back at work, but only partially.

  76. akmofo April 20, 2020 at 1:59 pm #

    The move needs to be to criminally investigate Fauci and the WHO and Bill Gates for this fiasco. Talk about INFO WARS !!!

  77. JohnAZ April 20, 2020 at 2:00 pm #

    Janos

    Did you ever read Dan Brown’s Inferno, not the movie.

    A megalomaniac decides he is going to do something about overpopulation.

    He commissions a virus that is going to infect the world. The book is about Robert Langdon chasing him down. In the movie, Langdon catches him and ends the story. In the book, the virus is released and they find out its effect is to sterilize 1/2 of the male population.

    Hmmm.

  78. Janos Skorenzy April 20, 2020 at 2:02 pm #

    Good to know. If he can do it, so should Trump. The bully pulpit is something real and powerful. It can move the Overton Window. Trump wants America to stay strong so it can serve Israel. So really, he must do this. The Satanist/UN faction wants us to become a third world cesspool. Hate to be on the Zionist side, but here I am. Politics/Bedfellows/Strange.

  79. ricksinger April 20, 2020 at 2:03 pm #

    All of this political perspective is of little value right now. I’d like to refer you to the opening sentence of Too Much Magic.

    “The episode in human history that I named in my 2005 book The Long Emergency is off to a good start. The cavalcade of fiascos within that shape-shifting monster we call the economy and its overgrown subsidiary capital finance is getting so bad as I write that by the time you read this an even more profound crisis than the crash of 2008 may be resetting the fundamental terms of your everyday life. Perhaps you are hungry tonight, with poor prospects for securing a meal.”

    Rarely has JHK proved more precient.

    I’ve just read Living In The Long emergency. Chapter 14 is a recap of what Jim discusses in this post. and many others on the same topic.

  80. JohnAZ April 20, 2020 at 2:05 pm #

    It was 1/3 of the male population. Langdon et al made a decision in the book not the pursue the issue, acknowledging the reality of population control is a good thing. Dan Brown’s opinion was obvious.

  81. akmofo April 20, 2020 at 2:06 pm #

    Oil now at $0.19 !!!

  82. Janos Skorenzy April 20, 2020 at 2:07 pm #

    John Az: Shades of the Kaufman Plan to sterilize the whole male German population after WW2. The Germans heard about it and it strengthened their desire to fight on. And you can google that. It can’t be hidden as it was a mass marketed, even came out as a book.

  83. Daddyotis April 20, 2020 at 2:08 pm #

    Trump has all the gravitas. Trump will easily win re-election. Then YouTube will explode with more videos of prog heads exploding.

    There literally isnt enough popcorn

  84. Janos Skorenzy April 20, 2020 at 2:13 pm #

    John: You don’t think the world is overpopulated? Let’s face it: this is an issue beyond human ability to manage. Traditional Catholics for example rave about how the world could support ten times as many people. Ok, even if true, then what? Then with backs against the wall, we would have to do what we could do now: use all kinds of birth control, etc. The very thing they refuse to countenance.

    And to have anywhere near that kind of population, there would need to be a World Government to facilitate the equable distribution of resources – something that is anathema to them and for good reason. So it’s a narrative that quickly and completely breaks down. Are there not Protestant equivalents?

    Answer? Don’t have one except Katy bar the door and wait for the world to die off. Whites aren’t the big problem anymore but Trads of all stripes and deonominations wish that we were. Hopeless.

  85. akmofo April 20, 2020 at 2:14 pm #

    Oil day’s low at $0.01 !!!

  86. JohnAZ April 20, 2020 at 2:17 pm #

    JHK is a prophet of doom.

    What does that take? Just a healthy cynicism of the capability of the Deep State’s central control to handle very significant end of resource issues in the country. Outsourcing is literally killing this country’s ability to respond to the virus. The country’s continuous drift to the Left is making his predictions more reliable, hence his rejection of progressives, not all Democrats.

    Biden in his Obama role of kowtowing to the Chinese during Obama’s disastrous foreign policy show should be disqualified from national office.

  87. Pucker April 20, 2020 at 2:20 pm #

    Did you hear about the British sailor who searched his whole life for the mermaid and when he found her she turned out to be a Skank? Life doesn’t always turn out as we plan. Like these weird-looking white redneck families at the zoo with the big fat weird-looking kids who mock and tease the gorillas who just want to break the glass windows and kill them.

    The politicians like Bernie Sanders, Obama, and Joe Biden just mock and tease the voters like animals in the zoo. You can tell that the Millennials now just want to smash the glass of their cages and go ape shit.

  88. JohnAZ April 20, 2020 at 2:20 pm #

    Janos

    Yeah, it is overpopulated as shown by our increasing inability to keep up with resources and the consequent income (resource) inequality increases we have seen. And I agree, it is not going away!!

  89. wpa_ccc April 20, 2020 at 2:25 pm #

    “Trump has all the gravitas.” –daddyotis

    By definition clowns do not have gravitas. Popular support is falling to about the levels of Gerald Ford. Trump is losing support now, 1,187 days into his first and only term in office.

  90. Q. Shtik April 20, 2020 at 2:28 pm #

    Oil day’s low at $0.01 !!!

    ===========

    That’s old news. May WTI crude went NEGATIVE for the first time ever. They pay YOU to take the shit away.

    Well, a degree of reality wil resume tomorrow when the May contract expires. The June contract is around $21 – $22 per barrel.

  91. Daddyotis April 20, 2020 at 2:30 pm #

    wpa: projecting there, buddy. Will I see you amongst the crying leftists on YouTube on November 4? Pretty sure I might.

    TDS is real! Love the heads exploding!

  92. JohnAZ April 20, 2020 at 2:31 pm #

    WTI. -$6.58/barrel. WTF, are they paying people to take their oil.

    This is only WTI, Brent is 25.80! This is directly aimed at the US frackers. Who the hell has the ability to take down our oil industry?

    For all you people that are in denial about a conspiracy against the US, wake up. We may have just been run over.

  93. JohnAZ April 20, 2020 at 2:32 pm #

    Next step

    Petroleum dollars will become petroleum yuan.

  94. akmofo April 20, 2020 at 2:38 pm #

    They pay YOU to take the shit away.
    ==

    Or you pay them to haul your shit away

    -$31.00

  95. malthuss April 20, 2020 at 2:43 pm #

    What on earth makes you think Joe B can serve a four-year term? –JHK-Admin

    Joe is still breathing, that is why. He may live to be 101.

  96. Q. Shtik April 20, 2020 at 2:46 pm #

    Pardon me while I laugh nervously…hahaha bwah ha ha!! May WTI Crude settled at -$37.63. That little dash means NEGATIVE.

  97. tucsonspur April 20, 2020 at 2:48 pm #

    Into the Valley of Death rode the two trillion, slaying, disarming, or scarring no one, but making payments to nearly everyone. The dollar doctor sutures up the Capitalist Zombie, allowing it to continue its lurch among the living.

    Businesses large and small are vivified with ventilators, while the dead are put into refrigerators. The already dead Capitalist Zombie needs no refrigerator, just warm bodied consumers to continue to be fed by the Fed.

    Enter the zany zombie Biden, making us all fearfully wonder how far from the zenith, to what depths of hell this zero might take us. Can we really go any lower? Obama gave us the answer. Yes we can.

  98. Robert White April 20, 2020 at 2:48 pm #

    I liked all the comments, but Zoltar, Walter, & City_of_76 stuck out as resonating with my own notion of the American 2020 political clusterfuck conundrum.

    Democrats are the naturally governing party as they represent more years in office statistically & historically. Whilst the incumbent is absolutely unacceptable as any sort of choice the bungling bureaucrats & hyper-controlled voting process will deliver a predictable win for second term incumbency given that America is in a declared martial law state of medical emergency. Medical Martial Law constitutes soft power legislative maneuvering which is where we find ourselves vis-à-vis possibility of any sort of return to what we once thought constituted normalcy regarding everyday life.

    The Medical Establishment has full control over the mandated Medical Martial Law protocol of social separation via physical distancing requirements imposed worldwide with few exceptions.

    Protocol for a return to normalcy will require mass testing & contact tracing of entire populations before assessment can determine what the prudent course is to take.

    What people will be gradually acclimatized to is a semi-permanent lockdown of society until Virologists & Epidemiologists can assure all that either a vaccine has been manufactured or alternative technology has been made to ameliorate the situation.

    Currently, no biocontainment regime is possible and Epidemiologists are going to wait until they are assured that the pathogen has successfully ripped through the entire worldwide population.
    so that they can claim that a new baseline has been achieved to make assessment from.

    No gain-of-function dual use virus can be contained once released into the atmosphere of planet Earth. Allowing a man made & manufactured deadly pathogen to proliferate through the world population is a crime against humanity.

    nCovid-19 is a worldwide pandemic of a deadly pathogen that has no history in civilization as it is literally a new Corona virus and no stats have been derived to date on what it will do to the worldwide population.

    nCovid is not a test. It is a live time historical event of bioweaponry run amok & research protocol gone awry.

    RW

  99. wpa_ccc April 20, 2020 at 2:50 pm #

    “wpa: projecting there, buddy.” –daddyotis

    Yes, I am projecting, based on evidence. Remember the predictions of a 2018 “red tide”? Then 2018 turned into a Blue tsunami and the House went back into the capable hands of Nancy Pelosi.

    But then Trump has never had a majority of popular support. Never been over 50%. He is the only president in US history never to not break 50%.

    Trump’s job approval rating, now 43%, has slipped six percentage points since mid-March when he earned 49% approval, which tied his personal best.

  100. tucsonspur April 20, 2020 at 2:57 pm #

    The Black Lagoons are giving it up like a ten dollar ho.

  101. Janos Skorenzy April 20, 2020 at 3:01 pm #

    Man born of Woman is of few days and full of trouble. He cometh like the flower and is cut down – my own loose translation (it has great spoken power – try it at parties) of something somewhere, the Psalms I think.

    Or the Ash Wednesday: Man, dust thou art and to dust thou shalt return.

    With the shut down on Clusterfuck, I’ve been rage posting on Yahoo. It’s become even more obvious to me, that for a lot of people, this is the first time they’ve ever thought about death and realized how fragile life is. For those of us who go to Church, Mosque, or Synagogue, we’ve been getting the bad news ever since we were knee high and less.

    Kudos to Gates and the gang: a master stroke indeed. You tapped into a massive untapped fear potential, one implicit in a secular society. Well played, well played indeed.

  102. Janos Skorenzy April 20, 2020 at 3:07 pm #

    News: Court rulles no more non unanimous juries. Non-unanimous juries go back to Jim Crow and were based on trying to undermine the influence of “minorities” in juries. Minorities as in numerical? That would make sense. But given the Jim Crow reference, I guess that’s not it.

    Are you ready to stop an all but one Black jury from sending a White Man to the Chair? Blacks are ready in the colors are reversed.

  103. lbs April 20, 2020 at 3:24 pm #

    I would have to disagree with the point that the Dems haven’t gotten the memo that identity politics won’t cut it. the memo hasn’t really been sent yet. Ok, maybe a vague coffee stained one was sent out in 2016. Then the 2018 election told them they could keep it up and not suffer any consequences. There won’t be a real memo until they get a severe thumping in a general election. Hopefully 2020.

  104. Robert White April 20, 2020 at 3:37 pm #

    Janos,

    Consider Gates et al. as arch enemy to civilization given his access to the human genome & molecular tools, as well as laboratories. Given the date of 2020 I now consider Gates to be the new Tyrell Corporation CEO and his consortium has control over our populations via genes & genotypes exclusively with impunity.

    Event 201 launch prior to actual nCov-19 biocontainment accident or intentional mishap is typical play for the deep state arms of state and we can see that they have been heading in this direction knowingly for the last 25 years.

    Sigmund Freud always believed in determinism in so far as he stated that there are no accidents. As an orthodox camp follower of Freud’s biological determinism & a follower of Freud’s dogma I, for one, can assert in the positivist position that there are indeed no accidents possible here given what is obviously probable.

    RW

  105. eatabanker April 20, 2020 at 3:42 pm #

    In the immortal words of Dubya,
    “This sucker is going down”.

    And down it has gone. We’re picking through the eight mile high, land fill debris of the Consumer Gone Wild overtime innings of crony capitalism. Who knows what horrors and wonders await us as at the next stop in our free fall civilisation? Will we have only the choices of feudal debt servitude or a neofeudal world made by hand? Pray thats the worst it gets for those who survive. Pity the new born, for they will likely never know the taste of freedom.
    The prospects for a soulless artificial utopia with artificial currency, artificial “news’, artificial education, artificial jobs and artificial friends are dimming faster than a setting sun in December.

    And just when you think you’ve hit rock bottom, some asshole throws you a bigger shovel.

  106. robert magill April 20, 2020 at 4:12 pm #

    Mrs Clinton comes with her own cyanide, thank you very much.

  107. holdfastspike April 20, 2020 at 4:17 pm #

    ” Let all of the poisons that lay stinking under the mud, hatch out!” Tiberius Claudius Caesar Augustus Germanicus.

  108. Janos Skorenzy April 20, 2020 at 4:19 pm #

    Thank you, Robert. We arrive at the same place (at least on this one event and issue) from vastly different perspectives. Coincidence? That’s a helluva coincidence. I say Occam’s razor favors our position: the burden of proof is on those who argue against Conspiracy. Let them prove it isn’t if they can. Note: Dogmatic assertion and name calling are not arguments.

  109. malthuss April 20, 2020 at 4:56 pm #

    News: Court rules no more non unanimous juries.=
    no need for unanimous agreements?

  110. Nightowl April 20, 2020 at 5:11 pm #

    “I’m no fan of Biden, but I’ll choose him as the lesser of two evils. There are no perfect candidates, so get over the diction you find demented, and the “shady” backroom dealings. We’ve been stuck with the profoundly corrupt and useless President Trump. Biden and his woman VP (remember, he committed to that during the debates) will be a move in the right direction”

    ——————————————-

    Corrupt you say? Then surely you can manage to post a few of his high crimes in office and your hard/concrete evidence for said crimes.

    By all means, present your case. The floor is yours Mr. 76.

  111. akmofo April 20, 2020 at 5:12 pm #

    “Gates, UNICEF & WHO have already been credibly accused of intentionally sterilizing Kenyan children through the use of a hidden HCG antigen in tetanus vaccines.” – Janos
    ==

    On this holy day of Holocaust Remembrance Day, it is even more ironic that these NAZI death camp type behaviors go completely silent and unreported the MSM. Fauci is an even worse offender in that he is personally involved in falsely equating HIV carriers with AIDS and then subjected these perfectly healthy HIV carriers to the most gruesome deaths using the most horrendous pharma chemicals.

    These are walking talking Nazis and the MSM not only gives them a free pass, but unquestionably elevates them and reveres them in most lofty political positions possible. That should tell anyone with a thinking brain that whoever is running the show is of Nazi background through and through. And that can only be the Vatican. Neither is it a coincidence that Fauci gave out the exact game plan for this whole Nazi nonsense years before to a Vatican crowd at Georgetown University.

  112. akmofo April 20, 2020 at 5:15 pm #

    unreported the ^by^ MSM

  113. BackRowHeckler April 20, 2020 at 5:18 pm #

    Hey WPAsoka, what’s Biden’s approval rating?

    Does he still exist as a sentinent human being? Where is he?

    CNN:

    WORLD ENDING! Women and Minorities hardest hit.

    Another story concerns Trannies not getting their gender reassignment surgery, which apparently is a gross abrogation of their Civil Rights. Lawsuits have been filed.

    Brh

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  115. Pucker April 20, 2020 at 5:29 pm #

    I wonder why the Americans (NIH grant) were financing the bat virus research at the Wuhan lab? There must be a grant application lying around describing a proposal to collect, research and manipulate dangerous bat coronaviruses?

  116. ThorsHammer April 20, 2020 at 6:05 pm #

    Read your constitution folks.

    Obama is prohibited from being Elected to the office of the Presidency, having served two terms.

    However there is nothing to prevent him from from being Appointed as Bumbles VP running mate and ascend to the Presidency when Bumbles chokes on his own drool.

    If Dick Cheney could be Little Bush’s running mate while residing in the same state (Texas) regardless of what the Constitution says, why can’t Obama follow a path back to the Audacity of Hope?
    Truly a Dream Team. It’s the only way in which the Demorat Party could finally overthrow the Orange Tweeter and recapture its rightful place at the head of the pig trough.

  117. Majella April 20, 2020 at 6:11 pm #

    Skorenzy:

    ” Note: Dogmatic assertion and name calling are not arguments.

    Indeed.

  118. ThorsHammer April 20, 2020 at 6:13 pm #

    Actually there is another path to the return of The Chosen One to the Presidency.

    Obama could just have one of the ever popular sex change operations, and run as Betty Obama. I don’t think he’d even have to take estrogen as little personality change would be needed.

  119. Janos Skorenzy April 20, 2020 at 6:18 pm #

    https://www.barnhardt.biz/2020/04/05/visibility-how-to-choose-sides-madonna-ciccone-announces-she-is-partnering-with-bill-and-melinda-gates-on-vaccine-while-wearing-a-shirt-depicting-satan-on-the-cross/

    JS: That was back at the beginning of the month. More recently, on Good Friday or Easter, Microsoft released a new ad featuring that spirit cooking creature. It’s obvious what religion he follows – and it’s not mere Atheism.

  120. BackRowHeckler April 20, 2020 at 6:28 pm #

    800 murders a week in Mexico and mass murder in Canada yesterday, 16 dead. Looks like the USA is caught in between those two blood soaked countries, to our north and south, like a meat sandwich.

    Brh

  121. Janos Skorenzy April 20, 2020 at 6:30 pm #

    Forgetist thou the Snake who fought to save the human soul?

    https://www.reddit.com/r/cringe/comments/1lm2zp/david_carradine_tries_to_pass_off_what_is_clearly/

    You can dance with wolves or you can dance with rubber hose “exercise equipment”. Some people even dance with other people….

  122. Mountain gal April 20, 2020 at 6:52 pm #

    So what happens now with oil going negative? I’d guess fracking/shale is toast but what impact is this going to have besides that?

  123. BackRowHeckler April 20, 2020 at 7:08 pm #

    Cheap gas, Mountain Gal, and return of the Muscle Car.

    First one on the lot: 1970 Chevelle SS 454.

    Next up, Dodge Superbee! Mopar power at its finest.

    Phew! Those babies could lay down some rubber, I’ll tell you what.

    Brh

  124. JohnAZ April 20, 2020 at 7:13 pm #

    Two states talking about starting to open up this week. Just a thought. If states open up and others do not, how long before people start to move for the higher opportunity?

    Another thought, the two carriers, the Petri dishes, had between 15 and 60% infection rates but very low hospitalization, ICU and almost zero mortality rates. It would not surprise me if the infection rate when unimpeded wouldn’t be close to 100%, so the age impact is the number one concern. Protect the old and immunity impeded and open this sucker up. The protests are just starting.

  125. JohnAZ April 20, 2020 at 7:16 pm #

    Man gal

    Today and tomorrow are the last two days of the May futures. June starts on Wednesday and was around $21 today. Keep an eye out on Wednesday. Brent is $25+.

  126. JohnAZ April 20, 2020 at 7:16 pm #

    Mtn gal, that is.

  127. JohnAZ April 20, 2020 at 7:27 pm #

    RW

    Gates is a nerd with all the social concerns a nerd will have. His ideal world is everyone at home in front of their PCs with personal interplay at a minimum. This epidemic is his cup of tea. He is influential in the education changes of the past years. No wonder we have lagged behind so much. No wonder we test the kids to a fault. No wonder the emphasis on STEM. He wants everyone to be a nerd like him.

  128. Janos Skorenzy April 20, 2020 at 7:28 pm #

    When the world was young and men were weak, and the fiends of the night walked free,
    I strove with Set by fire and steel and the juice of the upas-tree;
    Now that I sleep in the mount’s black heart, and the ages take their toll,
    Forget ye him who fought with the Snake to save the human soul?

    Epemitreus

    I remembered it wrong or interpreted it wrongly as a boy: he’s fighting against Set. Not striving with him against a common foe (the fiends of the night), but against him. Strove! Is it sorrow I feel? Did not the Serpent want us to be like God, knowing good and evil? Most know neither, little more than automatons in the form of human beings. Perhaps if they consciously choose evil they might then choose good….

  129. Pucker April 20, 2020 at 7:29 pm #

    Be careful around Mongoloid kids with the coronavirus.

    “ Two Australian doctors are weighing in about the spread of the coronavirus “down under” — whether it can be spread through farts, that is.
    During Friday’s episode of the Australian Broadcasting Corporation’s “Coronacast,” podcast, producer and host Dr. Norman Swan made a cautionary suggestion when it comes to particles of feces set adrift within a fart and the spread of COVID-19.

    “No bare-bottom farting,” Swan advised about posterior pandemic panic, in a measured, mildly amused tone.

    “Luckily, we wear a mask, which covers our farts all the time,” Swan said, referring to the protective aspects of pants, shorts, dresses, underwear and other garments. “I think that what we should do in terms of social distancing and being safe is that … you don’t fart close to other people, and that you don’t fart with your bottom bare.”

    Meanwhile, Australian emergency physician Dr. Andy Tagg also floated the question via Twitter, asking, “So, can the bottom-based emissions of someone with coronavirus be silent and deadly?”

    Tagg pondered whether flatulence itself is an “aerosol-generating procedure.” (His determination: yes.) A recent study, in fact, suggested a post-flush toilet plume could even be cause for concern when it comes to spreading the coronavirus via “aerosolized feces.” Plus, scientists have confirmed that fecal-oral transmission itself is an issue due to the presence of the virus in poop that is why health officials in Oregon and New Yorkhave even cautioned against oral contact with feces during sex.

    Unfortunately, as Tagg observed, there is “not a great deal of research” available to come to a firm conclusion about the perils of passing COVID-19 while passing gas.”

  130. Janos Skorenzy April 20, 2020 at 8:09 pm #

    A ferocious Judge Jeanine lays into the Enemies of America trying to use the Virus to take away our Rights. Vintage stuff. Attn Majella. Maybe you can understand if you hear it from a woman, one with very tanned skin. Pretend she’s not White….

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhQM6NBzTW4

  131. Robert White April 20, 2020 at 8:31 pm #

    I don’t know about the rest of the Clusterfuck nation adherents but I, for one, thought that Mick Jagger, Richards, Wood, & Watts were just great entertainment for the weekend sitting in as captive prisoners to the MSM and their dystopian social distancing.

    Charlie Watts delivered one of his best performances ever. I hope to see them live in Toronto post-nCov-19 molecular fallout & mass decontamination efforts.

    RW

  132. progress4what April 20, 2020 at 8:37 pm #

    This is a test. Comment count shows 141 at this time. There are only 25 comments visible on my (windows 10) laptop, again at this time.
    Regards to all. Nice work, JHK. It is appreciated.

  133. Majella April 20, 2020 at 8:40 pm #

    Skorenzy

    Judge Jeanine – yeah, she’s your sort of speed. I read she’s a practicing Catholic, I hope she gets better at it soon.

    What’s with you RWNJs anyway? Now, the ‘presidential gullible’ (hat-tip First Dog in The Moon) are demonstrating in the streets for their right to get sick and infect other people. Great thinking.

    Other than that, this rant on Fox is exactly what one would expect…full of sound & fury, signifying that she’s just bat-shit crazy.

    Judge-y Jeanine has such great judgment in people too, such as her husband, who has had some moments (aside from the love-child he denied wile married to this harridan):

    “On February 23, 1999, Pirro’s husband was indicted by the office of United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York on one count of conspiracy, four counts of tax evasion, and 28 counts of filing a false tax return for hiding over $1 million in personal income as business expenses between 1988 and 1997.[90] That day, Pirro appeared with her husband at a press conference in response to the charges, criticizing the investigation as “invasive and hostile.” New York Governor George Pataki released a statement saying that the Pirros had been personal friends for “a long time,” and that he and his wife “wished them well.”[91][92][91] With the trial beginning on May 15, 2000,[93] and closing arguments given on June 19, 2000, the jury found Pirro’s husband guilty on June 23, 2000, on 23 of the charges brought against him and not guilty of 10.[94] In November 2000, he was sentenced to 29 months in federal prison, but received some leniency in exchange for waiving his right to appeal.[95] He served 17 months in prison, being released early for good behavior and participating in an alcoholism treatment program.[88] In the midst of the trial, Pirro had attacked the prosecution for bringing up matters which involved her, calling it a “desperate attempt by them to bring me into this wherever they can.”

    Yep. They both sound like true-blue Republicans alright. At least her fake tan is less difficult to stomach than the Orange Buffon she champions so much.

  134. Robert White April 20, 2020 at 8:41 pm #

    JohnAZ,

    Gates stole Dirty Operating System-DOS to build his empire off of code he did not build himself. Today, in contemporary parlance he is appropriating the Human Genome as a new ‘Dirty Operating System’ for the Human Genome via genetic alteration of human reproduction that suits his Oligopolistic end game goals which are always centered on control issues when it comes to Bill Gates.

    He is a complete control freak beyond redemption IMHO. He is also a BIG time monopolist that should be sanctioned by the state.

    Monopolies should all be broken up again. Monopolies were busted up in the 30s and Amazon should be broken up.

    RW

  135. Majella April 20, 2020 at 8:46 pm #

    progress4what

    “This is a test. Comment count shows 141 at this time. There are only 25 comments visible on my (windows 10) laptop, again at this time.”

    The format has changed. To see earlier posts, use the “Older Comments” tag at the bottom left of the page.

  136. Majella April 20, 2020 at 8:49 pm #

    RW

    “Monopolies should all be broken up again. Monopolies were busted up in the 30s and Amazon should be broken up.”

    You may recall, there was an attempt against Microsoft in the late 90s, when they squeezed Netscape into extinction.

    You mention Amazon, but surely you’d include Google, Farcebook (sic) and Microsoft in that, and then start on the huge commerical banksters.

  137. Majella April 20, 2020 at 8:51 pm #

    Skorenzy

    “Maybe you can understand if you hear it from a woman…”

    What possible difference does the presence or absence of a penis have to do with anything? Except to you, in your deep misogyny.

  138. JohnAZ April 20, 2020 at 8:56 pm #

    RW

    Capitalism is the most entrepreneurial system available so the best results will happen.

    Except for one thing, monopolies cannot form. The big box phenomenon will crush capitalism as it is doing now. Monopolies crush the job market, they crush the price setting abilities of the open markets.

    Sorta like health care, electric power, water power and all public resources. If the market cannot be maintained with”many” competitors, capitalism fails and fails big time.

    The only problem is that it’s chief competitor, socialism destroys a society’s initiative. Which is worse!

  139. Majella April 20, 2020 at 10:06 pm #

    The RWNJ side is demonstrating its nuttiness publiclly now.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sN_JAHg7DM

  140. Majella April 20, 2020 at 10:08 pm #

    These people are ‘TRUMPtriots’ – they love the Orange Buffoon more than they love America. FFS.

  141. Majella April 20, 2020 at 10:09 pm #

    LOL!

    Found ths on a youtube comments page:

    “I cannot tell a lie” – George Washington
    “I cannot tell the truth” – Donald Trump
    “I cannot tell the difference” – Trump supporters”

  142. Cargill April 20, 2020 at 10:14 pm #

    No gain-of-function dual use virus can be contained once released into the atmosphere of planet Earth. Allowing a man made & manufactured deadly pathogen to proliferate through the world population is a crime against humanity.

    The medical science argues that it is not a man-made virus (weaponised or otherwise, accidentally released or otherwise).

    Protocol for a return to normalcy will require mass testing & contact tracing of entire populations before assessment can determine what the prudent course is to take.

    Not according to the Governor of Georgia – who has announced he’ll open the doors from Friday, despite very poor stats for his state. This would seem to be criminal … corporate (big and small) profits trump health and welfare.

  143. Majella April 20, 2020 at 10:19 pm #

    More Presidential Bullshit debunked, and the “WHO’s to blame!” meme is exposed. I know this won’t make any difference to the Fact-Free Brigade, but here it is anyway.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJN4EbXHyh8

  144. Htruth April 20, 2020 at 10:29 pm #

    Steve Mnuchin as Cruella DeVille: https://youtu.be/87_l9GpBPzU

  145. RocketDoc April 20, 2020 at 10:48 pm #

    ON the question of Joe Biden. We had a big party and everybody brought their favorite beer to see which one was best. We had a double elimination tournament–red cup, blue cup and 2 poker chips, red and blue to vote with. Miller Lite won.

    Well everyone was incensed. How could the worst beer win? So the next year we tried it again. Same rules. Same result. Miller Lite.

    And don’t tell me I need a better group of beer drinking friends. It might be true but I don’t have another country I care to go live in….

  146. sophia April 20, 2020 at 11:33 pm #

    Green Alba,

    I don’t know if you are a deeply dishonest manipulator and/or you just love to create acrimony.

    I went back over my posts on the previous thread and I never named the NHS whatsoever. You went on and on in a most vile manner, bringing up all sorts of details perhaps to show how incredibly knowledgeable you are about your own country, when all I did was express that things were mismanaged and that nursing homes were getting the short end of the stick.

    That you would wax so angry, hateful, and spiteful because I might have thought that all the empty hospitals have some spare PPE, or that Dr. Kendrick, whom I thought was in Scotland might be in England – it is beyond comprehension.

    Someone said yesterday you are unbearable and I agree.

    What an unpleasant person you have proved to be.

    I don’t do personal drama, so I’m done with you. You lack sincerity.

  147. sunburstsoldier April 20, 2020 at 11:38 pm #

    The upshot for me after reading Jim’s new book Living in the Long Emergency is that everything that is currently being debated on this blog, and on the social media in general, whether it be the politics of Left vs Right, climate change or whatever, is but dust in the wind. In a few more years at best none of it will matter. In fact it is a distraction at this point, as we all have more important issues to consider, in particular, how to become an early adapter…

  148. SoftStarLight April 20, 2020 at 11:41 pm #

    Well yes. Of course. Can one really appreciate the brilliant light of the day without truly experiencing the pitch black of night? Then again. It’s true that many regard neither day or night. Busy as they are whether they realize it or not serving golden calves.

  149. sunburstsoldier April 20, 2020 at 11:41 pm #

    We will be lucky if we have a few more years…

  150. Janos Skorenzy April 20, 2020 at 11:44 pm #

    Do you see Maj? It’s hopeless. We need to separate. Which island is more liberal? You all go there. Give us the other one. Ditto Australia, Canada, and the United States. We cannot live together and we each ruin the vision of the other.

    Prog, surely you agree that all this is a ruinous Hoax, a Power Play by the Satanist Wing of the Globalists. I assume they have the support of the more staid UN/EU wing. Don’t know about the Chinese. Divided? I doubt they have the support of the Russians or the Zionists. So is the Table SET.

  151. Cargill April 20, 2020 at 11:58 pm #

    I’m not sure I can decide who is the nuttier – those who believe the End is Nigh, or those who believe the New World Order of total domination is just around the corner.

    Both are deeply, ruinously suffocating, and poison the intellect. They are very lame corners in which to huddle. I think the greater danger is that the owners of capital will use might & power just to snap back to an era of Happy Motoring – and look how cheap fuel will be!

    I a an optimist, and believe than thinking, humane people will prove to have more backbone – and will call BS on state and corporate decisions far more, and with more force.

    It’s like air travel since 9/11. Prior to that horror, people use to cower and whimper if someone tried to hijack a plane … now they wouldn’t have a chance – six of the bigger guys would pummel them like cheap veal in seconds.

    Let’s hope the working class (and middle class) everywhere organise, get a voice, and communicate, and stick their collective heads out the windows and say they not gonna take any shit ever again. Corporate America, corporate UK, and much of the European political class, have been total, abject failures.

    They should consider themselves very lucky just to be hounded out of office, and thrown in the dustbin of history. They should be nailed to a bumper-bar and dragged over hot coals.

    Don’t waste time with doomer porm and One World conspiracies – it’s time to put away childish things and behave like sentient adults, not jump at non-existent shadows.

  152. Majella April 21, 2020 at 12:25 am #

    Sophia

    What an unpleasant person you have proved to be.

    I don’t do personal drama, so I’m done with you. You lack sincerity.

    When you point a finger, three point back at you.

  153. sophia April 21, 2020 at 12:26 am #

    Hmm, was wondering why I thought he was Scottish. Well, I guess it is because at the top of his blog, it says Scottish doctor, author, speaker.

  154. Majella April 21, 2020 at 12:28 am #

    Skorenzy:

    Do you see Maj? It’s hopeless. We need to separate. Which island is more liberal? You all go there. Give us the other one. Ditto Australia, Canada, and the United States. We cannot live together and we each ruin the vision of the other.

    You don’t ‘ruin’ my ‘vision’. You’re just a raving impotent joke.

  155. Janos Skorenzy April 21, 2020 at 12:30 am #

    Cargill, who do you think funded the French and Russian Revolution? That’s right, the Bankers. Capitalism is primary and Communism is derivative. On the eve of the Black takeover, Mandela switched from your kind of Communism (drag them to death) to Socialism. If he hadn’t, his Globalist backers would have taken him out. You’re a dupe and an anachronism. Even the higher ups in the Antifa understand who calls the shots and how your system works. The purpose of Communism is to bring other systems into the New Order by hook or by crook. No isolation or independence is allowed. Or group loyalty or racial pride or ethnic price or nationalism. Only radical individualism, expressed as alienated individuals all watching newscasters mouth the same lies.

  156. Majella April 21, 2020 at 12:31 am #

    Sophia

    Hmm, was wondering why I thought he was Scottish. Well, I guess it is because at the top of his blog, it says Scottish doctor, author, speaker.

    “Kendrick” may be a Scottish name (the Highland Scots surname Machendrie, frequently anglicized into Kendrick and MacKendrick) but you don’t have to live in Scotland to be a Scot, and you don’t have to be a Scot to have a Scottish name.

  157. Janos Skorenzy April 21, 2020 at 12:31 am #

    Eat your own poison, Maj.

  158. SoftStarLight April 21, 2020 at 1:29 am #

    Why is it strange to believe the end is nigh? The end of the world as we know it could happen at any moment. That’s a scientific fact is it not? An asteroid strike, a solar flare, etc. You believe in runaway anthropogenic climate change right? Isn’t that resulting in the end of the world as we know it?

  159. SoftStarLight April 21, 2020 at 2:05 am #

    A blessing hidden in the curse. Trump is finally implementing an immigration moratorium due to the ongoing coronavirus pandemic! Well, too bad it took a pandemic to get him to adhere to a critical campaign promise but we were going to get it one way or the other at some point. An answered prayer! Now let’s pray the moratorium becomes permanent.

  160. Cargill April 21, 2020 at 2:23 am #

    … you don’t have to live in Scotland to be a Scot, and you don’t have to be a Scot to have a Scottish name.

    Very true – I have a Scots name, with Scots heritage all the way back to Mel Gibson, but I don’t live in Scotland. In fact I live almost as far as way from Scotland as it is possible to, but Majella’s lovely homeland is even further.

    We aren’t called the Antipodes for nothing 🙂

  161. Cargill April 21, 2020 at 2:28 am #

    Only radical individualism, expressed as alienated individuals all watching newscasters mouth the same lies.

    The Republican Party creed for sure – Ayn Rand piffle for pimply 17yo kids. Sadly, lefties grow up but Republicans never do. We are in furious agreement it seems.

  162. Nightowl April 21, 2020 at 3:21 am #

    “I’m not sure I can decide who is the nuttier – those who believe the End is Nigh, or those who believe the New World Order of total domination is just around the corner.”

    ———————————————————————

    You should duke it out with them, Cargill.

    Your nutbar ravings on Orange Hitler and the coming White Ethnostate, vs. whaever they’ve got. Point by point.

    Grudge match!

  163. Majella April 21, 2020 at 4:34 am #

    Cargill:

    “I’m not sure I can decide who is the nuttier – those who believe the End is Nigh, or those who believe the New World Order of total domination is just around the corner.”

    As often as not (possibly more often than that), it’s the same people holding both these nutty ideas at the same time (along with all the associated spin-off theories).

    If you could bottle ‘cognitive dissonance’ as an oral dose to allow this phenomenon without causing exploding heads, you could make a fortune. Albeit small.

  164. Majella April 21, 2020 at 4:51 am #

    Australian humour at its finest.

    Jim Jeffries on Himself (6 minutes):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-98RjrmqO4

  165. GreenAlba April 21, 2020 at 4:59 am #

    sophia

    “I went back over my posts on the previous thread and I never named the NHS whatsoever. ”

    I realise now why you’re called sophia. Because you’re a sophist.

    You said the hospitals had tons of PPE and were refusing to share it with the care homes. The hospitals are the NHS.

    “I don’t do personal drama, so I’m done with you. You lack sincerity.”

    Ho. Ho. Ho. From the person who couldn’t argue actual facts when it came to climate change so addressed the gallery and invited them all to consider me a paid troll for not ‘conceding’ her anti-science. You have the self-awareness of a flea.

    But ‘done with me’? Praise the lord. I told you I wanted nothing to do with your posts after that personal drama incident of yours, and yet since them it’s been like having a person rottweiler, so yeah, Praise. The. Lord.

  166. BackRowHeckler April 21, 2020 at 5:05 am #

    Sunday a few of the nephews stopped by my place to work on the ’85 Mazda with a Wankel engine (using my tools) It was a rare sunny afternoon, temp about 55°F, just high enough not to be uncomfortable. In their 20s, I was listening to them talk. Apparently they look at this Covid-19 pandemic as just a passing inconvenience; it hardly registered in their conversation. What’s more, they wanted nothing to do with my life preserving Screwdriver Smoothies. For them beer was good enough, tossing the empties into the back of my pickup where I could hear the empty glass bottles as they rolled around on the steel bed. I was watching them out there working away, assured of their immortality, not too worried about the future, confident life as they have known it will go on forever. Whom am I to tell them it won’t. I felt the same way when I was their age, and pretty much everything worked out for me.

    I’m waiting here patiently for evidence of the ‘Climate Crisis’, hard frost outside this morning, temps predicted in the teens for later this week. When is the much heralded warming going to start. I’ve been hearing about it for 25 years now … I know, I know, don’t pay attention to weather conditions you actually experience, an iceberg just broke off in Antarctica, 10,000 miles away. (Magellan’s logs mentioned floating icebergs during the first circumnavigation, but now its different) but how can I ignore it when the predictions are getting more shrill and apocalyptic: only 9.5 years left before it all we burn to a crisp. I expected palm trees in New England by now.

    Brh

  167. GreenAlba April 21, 2020 at 5:10 am #

    “Hmm, was wondering why I thought he was Scottish. Well, I guess it is because at the top of his blog, it says Scottish doctor, author, speaker.”

    It’s a totally trivial point, but you referred to him as a ‘colleague of GA’s husband’, when he’s in a different country. But like I said, a trivial point compared to impugning the health service from hoarding ‘tons’ of PPE so that care home workers can’t have it.

    All you needed to say was ‘OK, I got that out of thin air and it was clearly wrong – I see now that it couldn’t work like that’.

    Over a hundred of them have died now – we’re up to Italian levels. How ridiculous of me to be incensed on their behalf at your outrageous remark and endless attempts to pretend you didn’t say it.

  168. Cargill April 21, 2020 at 5:27 am #

    When is the much heralded warming going to start. I’ve been hearing about it for 25 years now … I know, I know, don’t pay attention to weather conditions you actually experience, an iceberg just broke off in Antarctica, 10,000 miles away.

    Really – even you cannot be this stupid. My goodness.

  169. tucsonspur April 21, 2020 at 5:30 am #

    These idiots protesting shut downs and stay at home advice like to call themselves ‘freedom fighters’. How pathetic these people are, thinking themselves so deprived and abused because of appropriate measures to contain the virus. There’s not a snowball’s chance in hell that any kind of elitist takeover is being attempted, and even if any such thing were taking place, it would be short lived indeed. Too many guns and too many REAL freedom fighters out there.

    These people are stupid, selfish shitheads, who could cause a much wider spread of the virus. Remember when Trump said there’s only one case, what’s to worry? That’s all it takes. I wonder how many people these protesters will infect.

    Freedom fighters my ass. Let a SWAT team handle them, put ’em up in Florence, Co., or maybe San Quentin. Let ’em learn what freedom really means. Pathetic piss ants would poop their pantaloons on seeing the main gate.

    Then we have the governor of Georgia opening the state’s dine in restaurants and theaters on April 27th, after already opening gyms, hair salons, etc. Stacy is right. His plan is ‘dangerously incompetent’.
    Republicans Kemp, and McMaster in So. Carolina, how many will they kill? All this, as the virus continues to spread in Georgia.

    https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/coronavirus-dozens-new-deaths-reported-georgia/R3ZIX6JCJZAULEY7GXMIBY5RRQ/

    A lot of bailout is taking place, checks are going out, unemployment pay is being increased and loans are being made. No reason not to wait a few more weeks at least.

    Playing the politics of business and death, with Trump winging it like never before and Republican governors just praying, waiting for what’s in store, just hoping that there’s not too much gore.

    And that moron Judge Jeanine. She’s right on most of the time, but to watch her push everyone aside to be first in the Trump ass kissing line is a bit too much. Acting like we’re about to be overrun by the Chinee commies or something, she joins the ‘freedom fighters’ in their lack of common sense and red meat bluster and bravado, trying to brace against the Big Buffoon’s decline and his blubbering bombast:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_XwC9IQKBc

    ‘Freedom fighting’ frappes, Trump foot men, ‘freedom fighting’ fops, ‘freedom fighting’, pizza eating, fat gun toting frauds, stop with your farrago of folderol and fanfaronade, lest you feel my fangs and meet the franc-tireur!

  170. BackRowHeckler April 21, 2020 at 5:38 am #

    Uh oh

    This just in

    Puerto Rican Day parade and LBGT Pride parades cancelled in Ct.

    This is getting serious, folks.

    Brh

  171. sunburstsoldier April 21, 2020 at 5:57 am #

    For me the forced return to sustainability, although in some ways it will tremendously simplify our lives, does not imply human capability will be diminished. On the contrary it is more likely to be enhanced. Challenges bring out the best in us and tap into our deep hidden reserves. In fact it can be argued challenge and hardship is essential to our evolutionary development, not in a biological sense (although degenerate stock will likely be pruned away in the post-collapse environment), but in terms of the inner side of human nature, namely mind, spirit, and soul, as these are the repositories of our creative potential. Thus the coming collapse will serve as a crucible in which the impurities in human nature; procrastination, laziness, dissembling, problem avoidance, etc., will be burned away, and that which remains will be pure gold.

  172. GreenAlba April 21, 2020 at 6:02 am #

    It’s a nice thought, sunburst, except that the history of humans in much harder times hasn’t exactly been pure gold either.

    But we can only hope (not that I’ll be here for much of it, so the hope is for my kids and grandchild) – the only thing we can be pretty sure of is that whatever speculations we engage in about the future, the future will do its own thing.

  173. GreenAlba April 21, 2020 at 6:11 am #

    brh

    “Puerto Rican Day parade and LBGT Pride parades cancelled in Ct.
    This is getting serious, folks.”

    It occurred to me that your vodka/orange cocktail might not just prevent and cure Covid19, but maybe also fix climate change and gender dysphoria as well? Worth a try, possibly, and once you’ve patented it you can look at further diversification of applications. 🙂

  174. tucsonspur April 21, 2020 at 6:20 am #

    Yes, SBS, a nice thought but it won’t happen. Challenge and hardship also often brings out the worst in us. The beast in us will always remain, “chained by frail and fragile bonds”.

  175. stelmosfire April 21, 2020 at 6:31 am #

    There’s a line forming up at the local 7/11. They’re paying people $1.79 a gallon to fill up there gas tanks. Plus they throw in a free coffee.

  176. tucsonspur April 21, 2020 at 6:47 am #

    Just finished watching “The Plot Against America” on HBO after the book by Roth.

    Lindbergh is elected president in 1940. We do not enter the war. Ribbentrop visits the White House where Nazi flags are hanging. Harassment and relocation of the Jews begins in the US. Many flee to Canada. Walter Winchell runs against Lindbergh and is killed. Anti Jewish violence spreads across America. Pretty good drama, didn’t like the ending though.

  177. BackRowHeckler April 21, 2020 at 7:02 am #

    GA

    Well, we’re ramping up for the High Holy Day, ‘Earth Day’, … how to properly worship? Well I already have a heap of topsoil on the property, ready for the garden … I plan on prostrating myself before it, chanting, until I reach a state of rapture and while in this trance pouring a thimble of precious Screwdriver Smoothie (TM) into the dirt as my humble offering to Mother Earth.

    Brh

  178. GreenAlba April 21, 2020 at 7:13 am #

    brh

    “I plan on prostrating myself before it, chanting…”

    Careful – if you’re not in Mother Earth’s good books she might just gobble you up while you’re down there… Like in the horror films. Now you see him, now you don’t.

    Three Hail Gaias and a few whip lashes might placate her, if the smoothie isn’t enough.

  179. BackRowHeckler April 21, 2020 at 7:27 am #

    Ok I was planning on ‘Hail Gretas’, but Hail Gaias are good too.

  180. BackRowHeckler April 21, 2020 at 7:43 am #

    “I don’t know who is nuttier, those who believe the end is nigh …”-Cargill

    Ok I thought ‘the end is nigh’ by 2030, when the earth will be baked and unlivable, and sea level rise will hem us in from the Rockies to the Appalachain Mountains?

    I mean Obama and John Kerry aren’t convinced, with their swanky oceanfront mansions. But public policy is now being made on those predictions.

    The word was we gave only 12 years left, and that was 3 years ago. Time is getting short yet you mock it.

    Brh

  181. Pucker April 21, 2020 at 7:53 am #

    The young people seem to think that the Covid 19 virus doesn’t apply to them? Long term, this virus’s apparent ability to erode the body’s immune system may eventually come back to bite young people in the ass as they mature? A lot of these Millennials and Generation Y kids appear to have a lot of bad habits with multiple “co-morbidities” since they seem to think that the purpose of Life is to “Party”? The Culture is rather “Fucked Up”. I think that it all “Went Wrong” when the Baby Boomers re-defined Freedom (which is premised upon moral restraint) as Hedonism, which requires Power and Money (Corruption) to feed unlimited human desires. It’s a classic Greek Tragedy….

  182. Nightowl April 21, 2020 at 8:32 am #

    “The young people seem to think that the Covid 19 virus doesn’t apply to them? Long term, this virus’s apparent ability to erode the body’s immune system may eventually come back to bite young people in the ass as they mature? ”

    The Fear Porn. Will it ever stop?

    Go get some fresh air.

  183. Nightowl April 21, 2020 at 8:42 am #

    Meanwhile, the surveillance state expands.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/YALiberty/status/1252229870215663617

  184. Pucker April 21, 2020 at 8:47 am #

    “ The Fear Porn. Will it ever stop?
    Go get some fresh air.”

    The Science seems to show that the Covid 19 virus gets into the nervous system and the brain similar to Shingles and Chicken Pox. It doesn’t go away. Very nasty.

    I don’t think that I want a virus originating from a bat from a remote cave in Yunnan Province, China in my brain.

  185. GreenAlba April 21, 2020 at 9:03 am #

    Pucker

    “I don’t think that I want a virus originating from a bat from a remote cave in Yunnan Province, China in my brain.”

    But you might be able to fly at night by sonar – that could be a compensation? Hanging upside down with your mates discussing the local insects might be fun too.

  186. BackRowHeckler April 21, 2020 at 9:06 am #

    Thanks to Bram Stoker linking them to vampires, bats get a bad rap. Nasty little creatures, they deserve it. Bats Portugese and Spanish explorers found in South America actually did feed on human blood. These Europeans were a superstitious lot, and Stoker was only playing on centuries old European fear (of bats) Who ever thought it would be bats that laid the human race low?

  187. Pucker April 21, 2020 at 9:14 am #

    Captain Kirk would always fake his reports back to Star Fleet. Very rarely did Kirk’s reports to Star Fleet accurately reflect what actually happened out there in deep space. There was a lot of sexual abuse of the crew by Captain Kirk, Mr. Spock, Bones, and Scotty. Mr. Sulu was basically a gay Cabin Boy. Kirk and Spock had a Slush Fund where they’d stash loot extorted from various defenseless planets that they visited. There was a lot of sexual perversion, a lot of “Boldly Go’n-to-Town”….

  188. sunburstsoldier April 21, 2020 at 9:25 am #

    tucsonspur,

    I don’t believe history is just the endless an endless repetition of the rise and crash of civilizations, or that every time we climb out of barbarism we are doomed to fall all the way back down to the bottom again. I believe in human and planetary evolution. Nor do I believe this evolution is guided by some random, mechanical process, but rather by ‘powers and principalities’ beyond our ken far superior to us. You might say humanity is a hothouse experiment, one that, despite all apparent evidence to the contrary, is carefully monitored by those conducting the ‘experiment’. Since this experiment is to evolve free will beings who participate in their own progressive development there will be up and downs, however, over the long run, these up and downs form a graded curve that trends upward…

    Go ahead and laugh…

  189. sophia April 21, 2020 at 9:33 am #

    Pucker,

    ” Long term, this virus’s apparent ability to erode the body’s immune system may eventually come back to bite young people in the ass as they mature? ””

    How would they know this so soon?

  190. sunburstsoldier April 21, 2020 at 9:37 am #

    “Ok I thought ‘the end is nigh’ by 2030, when the earth will be baked and unlivable, and sea level rise will hem us in from the Rockies to the Appalachain Mountains?…The word was we gave only 12 years left, and that was 3 years ago. Time is getting short yet you mock it.

    Brh,

    If Cargill takes the time to read Jim’s latest book he will probably change his tune. I would be glad to see him successfully counter Jim’s various arguments that a major downgrade in civilization is right around the corner, if not already here. Unfortunately I don’t think he can…

  191. sophia April 21, 2020 at 9:40 am #

    Majella,

    When you point a finger, three point back at you./i>

    No Majella, not quite. While projection is very real and very frequently used, it cannot always be so, for if that were so it would mean that no one could ever accurately see and name an objectionable state or behavior.

    “My husband beats me, officer.”

    “Well, you must first stop beating him.”

  192. GreenAlba April 21, 2020 at 9:44 am #

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/20/at-least-100-uk-health-workers-have-died-from-coronavirus-figures-show

    “Over the weekend, hospital leaders have directly attacked the government for the first time during the coronavirus crisis over the shortage of PPE after a desperately needed consignment of surgical gowns that had been announced by ministers failed to arrive.

    “In an unprecedented intervention, which hospital leaders privately say is the result of “intense frustration and exasperation”, the organisations representing NHS trusts in England urged ministers to “just focus on what we can be certain of” after weeks of “bitter experience” with failed deliveries.

    “The NHS Confederation and NHS Providers spoke out amid continuing alarm that shortages of equipment will soon have disastrous effects on the frontline, with representatives of intensive care staff warning on Sunday that the critical shortage of PPE could lead to some people refusing to continue working there.”

    “Fear porn”. “Empty hospitals”. “No patients”. “Hoarded tons of PPE…”

    Jeez.

  193. SoftStarLight April 21, 2020 at 9:44 am #

    I don’t know. The Earth is becoming cleaner. Trump just placed a moratorium on immigration. Illegals are self deporting. Humans have suffered and died since the beginning of time. That isn’t going to change any time soon since we are ruled by Elites who thrive on murder and mayhem. Maybe its as simple as this civilization was judged and the bat virus is supposed to take it down?

  194. sleek111 April 21, 2020 at 9:44 am #

    In another time and place (1776), the “tree of liberty” would be nourished with the “blood of patriots”, and some semblance of “freedom” would emerge for a time.

    But now, all that is left to look forward to is….

    FEUDALISM.

  195. sophia April 21, 2020 at 9:46 am #

    t’s a totally trivial point, but you referred to him as a ‘colleague of GA’s husband’, when he’s in a different country.

    I am confused. Isn’t she Scottish?

  196. GreenAlba April 21, 2020 at 9:49 am #

    She’s Scottish. But her husband doesn’t have any colleagues in England, because he works in a different country.

    Trivial point, as ‘she” said. Woof. Grrr…

  197. SoftStarLight April 21, 2020 at 9:59 am #

    And we already live in a drastic form of Feudalism. Don’t you think? The extreme inequity of wealth now is the greatest ever known in human history. Not that equality in that way is really ever achievable.

  198. sunburstsoldier April 21, 2020 at 10:00 am #

    sleek111,

    There are other possible arrangements we can make post-collapse besides feudalism. How about relatively self-reliant towns and villages governed by elected officials who can be voted in or out of office according to the will of people? At least in this country our two hundred year history of living in a Democratic Republic has likely curtailed the possibility we will simply revert to feudalism…

  199. BackRowHeckler April 21, 2020 at 10:11 am #

    Good point SBS

    Even tho people mock it we still have a Constitution and a Bill of Rights to guide us or at least point us in the right direction. I seriously doubt a new feudalism is in the offing.

  200. SoftStarLight April 21, 2020 at 10:20 am #

    With all due respect. The Constitution and Bill of Rights have been made a joke of for years now. Any freedom it appears we have is illusory. You can be taken down at any point if the powers that be so choose. The Agenda is being implemented at the most local of levels. Money makes friends. Once resources get even scarcer and in even fewer hands than now than we will have even more feudalism.

  201. sunburstsoldier April 21, 2020 at 10:38 am #

    “With all due respect. The Constitution and Bill of Rights have been made a joke of for years now. Any freedom it appears we have is illusory.”

    It’s disappointing to hear you say this SSL. To say any freedom it appears we have as a consequence of these documents is illusory is simply wrong. True the Left has been busily working to undercut this freedom over the last few decades, and they have been relatively successful at this in some areas, a.k.a. the nanny state, but nonetheless we have in America enjoyed an unprecedented degree of freedom. What’s most important, whether you realize it or not, this freedom has gotten into our blood and we will not easily tolerate its absence, even in the face of hard times. Give me liberty or give me death!!

  202. SoftStarLight April 21, 2020 at 10:50 am #

    My point is that our rights have been and are being dismantled. I hear often that there will be freedom fighters and yet none arrive even though the Constitution and the Bill of Rights continue to be taken apart bit by bit. And also, the system we live in now is a system of very few haves and masses and tons of have nots. I don’t believe the founders wanted any of this that we have now and would be totally shocked and dismayed at what we have become.

  203. BackRowHeckler April 21, 2020 at 11:09 am #

    SSL

    How could one be forced to live and work on a feudal estate in the USA in 2020 like a peasant in 14th century England working in the fields and turning over ones produce to the Lord of the Manor? What would prevent you from just walking away? Peasants were offered safety in exchange for their labor; here you can buy an assault rifle and provide for your own safety.

    Unless you mean the whole country is one big feudal estate, there is nowhere to walk away too, and the govt itself is Lord of the Manor … which uses its interlocking bureaucracies and overwhelming security and law enforcement apparatus to crush all human freedom, hope and enterprise?

    Brh

  204. sunburstsoldier April 21, 2020 at 11:11 am #

    Why is everyone so worked up about the haves and have nots? Do you envy the filthy rich and their jet-setting lifestyle? I certainly do not. If you think these people are happy look deeper and you will likely find out otherwise. As for the poor, their standard of living in this country is at least compatible with the middle-class in undeveloped nations. Besides, being poor doesn’t automatically doom one to misery and unhappiness. I’ve lived below the poverty line my entire life by choice because I sought for something money cannot buy…

    You can probably guess to what I infer…

  205. BackRowHeckler April 21, 2020 at 11:12 am #

    And I might add, aided by their allies the Big Tech Companies (to track people down and find out if they’re engaged in any Badthink)

  206. Nightowl April 21, 2020 at 11:21 am #

    Fake News hacks chatter caught on hot mic at WH Press Briefing.

    Corona death rate “0.1 to 0.3%”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAx-CWNoTq4&feature=emb_logo

    LOL.

  207. Lex Acilia Calpurnia April 21, 2020 at 11:22 am #

    BackRowHeckler wrote:

    …the whole country is one big feudal estate, there is nowhere to walk away to, and the [federal] government itself is Lord of the Manor…

    Until it isn’t. Already, Gavin Newsom is muttering about California being a nation-state. State governors are forming into opposing teams, for the purpose of re-opening their states.

    Who is to say these team structures don’t stay around, and get repurposed for all sorts of unintended things?

  208. sunburstsoldier April 21, 2020 at 11:25 am #

    “Unless you mean the whole country is one big feudal estate, there is nowhere to walk away too, and the govt itself is Lord of the Manor … which uses its interlocking bureaucracies and overwhelming security and law enforcement apparatus to crush all human freedom, hope and enterprise?”

    I don’t think this can happen Brh, because the forced slide downward towards sustainability (downward is not a negative in this context) implies a return to localized institutional forms. The supply chains for a nation-wide feudalistic government will not be there. Even if there was a trend in this direction it would take years to put a national government in place. It would also be firmly resisted by those who survived the crash and have managed to attain self-reliance and self-sufficiency at the cost of great hardship and suffering. This will not easily be given up. Besides who will have the energy to dream about, let alone work towards, a system of national feudalism when it will take all we have to survive locally?

  209. sunburstsoldier April 21, 2020 at 11:34 am #

    Who is to say these team structures don’t stay around, and get repurposed for all sorts of unintended things? ” Lex Acilia Calpurnia

    That possibility does exist but this doesn’t necessarily infer feudalism. It could even be a localized variant of free market capitalism (based on barter or trade) under a representative form of government…

  210. sunburstsoldier April 21, 2020 at 11:41 am #

    I think Socialism will lose much of it’s savor post-collapse. Since the population will already be leveled out by the collapse of the economy where would be the justification for it?

  211. SoftStarLight April 21, 2020 at 11:43 am #

    Yes Brh that is exactly what I meant. A very modern form of feudalism in your eloquent words.

    “Unless you mean the whole country is one big feudal estate, there is nowhere to walk away too, and the govt itself is Lord of the Manor … which uses its interlocking bureaucracies and overwhelming security and law enforcement apparatus to crush all human freedom, hope and enterprise?”

    There isn’t anywhere to go anymore Brh. Well essentially. They still don’t have our bodies “tagged”. Well most people. But that is coming. That is what I mean. We are ruled over by modern feudal oligarchs who do ultimately control every aspect of our lives since we are forced to live in their money and surveillance system. There isn’t anywhere else to go unless you want to rough it in the wilderness and they can still find ya with drones.

  212. SoftStarLight April 21, 2020 at 11:48 am #

    A real true genuine authentic Socialism that people work on bettering and perfecting all the time would serve a society well. Unrefined human nature will not allow it though. Thus all systems eventually give way to human greed and grift. Those forces must be opposed and fought vociferously if any semblance of such a system would be maintained. We tried to incorporate greed as a basis for a system and reward it accordingly to produce “progress”. Look how that is working out.

  213. beantownbill. April 21, 2020 at 11:58 am #

    For some reason, I haven’t been motivated to post very much here. Maybe it has to do with the antipodal contingent that relentlessly puts down people or the trolls seemingly bad-mouthing everyone.

    I do enjoy Pucker’s strange personality and Marlin’s sarcastic humor, though. I should mention that I like Green Alba’s posts, too. The one’s I don’t like already know I don’t like them, so I’m not going to mention them by name.

  214. sunburstsoldier April 21, 2020 at 11:59 am #

    The closest thing I can think of in history that would offer the best possible outcome for humanity post-collapse, as well as providing a basis for a new and sustainable civilization, would be the league of free and independent Italian cities existing in Europe around the time of the Enlightenment (I would have to breakout a history book to get exact dates). These cities, despite constant warfare and intrigue amongst the ruling classes, engaged in a vital, wealth-producing import/export trade with each other for the relatively limited duration of their existence (until they were swallowed up by the emerging nation-state ruled by a monarch)…

  215. sunburstsoldier April 21, 2020 at 12:04 pm #

    beantownbill,

    No doubt many of us share your concern. I guess we just have to take the good with the bad…

  216. sunburstsoldier April 21, 2020 at 12:17 pm #

    “A real true genuine authentic Socialism that people work on bettering and perfecting all the time would serve a society well.”

    Socialism is a pipe dream SSL. When will you figure that out? There have been numerous experiments with socialism on the local level in this country over the past two hundred years, but they all have failed spectacularly. Why? Because people who work hard do not want to divide up the fruits of their labor equally with those who do not work as hard, or who are downright lazy. It has nothing to do with greed. The people who undertook these socialist experiments were sincere and idealistic and not at all greedy…

  217. sunburstsoldier April 21, 2020 at 12:26 pm #

    “A real true genuine authentic Socialism…”

    That’s quite a set of adjectives SSL…

  218. SoftStarLight April 21, 2020 at 12:39 pm #

    And I guess I would say that the idea of us returning to small little city states that remain free of autocrats and that develop wonderful export/import systems that only reward hard work and nothing else is likely to be a pipe dream as well.

    Perhaps all of our ideals are pipe dreams to one degree or another? After all, we are asserting our will upon the world are we not? Maybe it is the will itself that matters most, and the intentionality behind it.

  219. Janos Skorenzy April 21, 2020 at 12:41 pm #

    People are too selfish to make Socialism work so we throw it out and just accept the unlimited greed of Capitalism – seems to be Sunburst’s big solution.

    Ridiculous. Of course most people are too greedy – that’s why such people shouldn’t have much say about anything. No one gets too vote without a record of service – and that’s just for starters.

    Capitalism is fine – controlled by better people. Capitalists play ball with the Nation, producing what they are told to produce and not what they are not allowed to produce. It doesn’t have to be a heavy hand all the time. If something doesn’t work, they’ll be contacted. As they would be if something needed being produced. They would learn to be humble before Tribunals of Citizens – their betters. But no discrimination: if they served the Nation as a youth and then served well as a Capitalist, they could become Citizens and even Leaders in turn. Why not? Again, no other system can meet consumer demand so well nor provide such a diversity of products. Thus would we Harness greed and materialism for the good of the Folk.

    I don’t want all these small businesses to go bottoms up. Strange how utterly blase people are about all that. Capitalism can be benign but only when kept so. As Christ said, do men gather figs from thistles (or something like that)? Sun seems to think that they do.

  220. Janos Skorenzy April 21, 2020 at 12:47 pm #

    Imagine making your own people compete with desperate coolies and campesino/gangsters. Sounds like a great way to turn America into a third world country, right? That’s exactly what the Capitalists did. They are scum. There is no defending them or their system. They are always to be watched and scorned to their face. Guilty until the prove themselves innocent is the way to go.

    As National Socialist society advanced, no one would ever dream of getting away with social murder like this. And thus the justified hatred of the people could recede as well. The Elite would be trained never to give up their vigilance however.

  221. DJ in RuralWNC April 21, 2020 at 12:54 pm #

    A Greater Depression with technology – hard to say how it plays out but most certainly it won’t be pretty. I think my sister’s 60 acres in the mountains of North Carolina has gone up (not down) in value. Springs all over the mountain.

  222. Janos Skorenzy April 21, 2020 at 1:04 pm #

    SSL: Well said. If it is all the result of a dream, why not dream well? Why accept the nightmare reality like Sun has? Or glory in it as Q does?

    America worked as well as it did for as long as it did because of Christian morality and racial pride and group cohesion. We were all White Americans. Now the first (Christian morality) has demonized the second. Nothing holds back the Economic Rapists now except political people of the Left and Right – and they disagree with each and/or are compromised by the very same Capitalists to a greater or lesser degree.

    The Left officially hates the Corporations, but the Corporations fully endorse the Liberal/Left agenda. Both want open borders. So how exactly to do Liberals disagree with them in practical terms? The hardcore want to go Communist. That the Corporations fear! Monsters like AOC and her free shit army of non-Whites and cool White hipster brothers.

    The Right has been forced by their churches to give up racial awareness, and many no favor open borders as well. They hate the cultural diversity and criminality, but they have no one to blame but themselves. Did you ever watch the movie “Watchmen”? One of the Superheroes says, “What happened to the American Dream? This is it. You got it”. Don’t blame the dream if it sucks, blame the Dreamer for not dreaming well.

    We both love cats. Imagine dreaming them into being as big as German Shepherds. So much more to love, right? Wrong – our relationship would change because they wouldn’t see us as their mother anymore. They would in fact be very dangerous. You don’t want something as whimsical and ferocious as a cat being almost as big as you are. It’s no pet anymore! You wouldn’t blame the cat because you created it. Nor the Laws of its nature than would make it see you differently. You would have to blame yourself for not understanding those laws.

    Or dream/create a cat that could be that big but not be ferocious anymore? That wouldn’t be a cat as we know and love them to be. I’ve watched their emotions: aggression, playfulness, affection, frustration, aggression, etc. They cycle round and round. And of course their wonderful indolence and languid physicality. But the predator aggression is what makes them lovable and fascinating. I’ve heard rabbits can be good pets for some. Even have some personality. But I doubt if its the same.

  223. sunburstsoldier April 21, 2020 at 1:07 pm #

    “And I guess I would say that the idea of us returning to small little city states that remain free of autocrats and that develop wonderful export/import systems that only reward hard work and nothing else is likely to be a pipe dream as well.”

    If it is a pipedream SSL, I prefer it to the pipedream of Socialism. Remember it’s not a matter of voluntarily returning so much as we will have no choice but to localize and simplify our lives and our governmental system. The idea of a system of (semi) self-reliant towns and villages functioning under representative government and a free (not forcibly socialized) market based on trade and barter (not money which is the root of all evils) seems the best way to go…

  224. elysianfield April 21, 2020 at 1:20 pm #

    “The Fear Porn. Will it ever stop?

    Go get some fresh air.”

    Owl,
    For your comment to be accepted, you have to consider the leaders of the world’s countries as either ignorant or criminal.

    The referenced shot-callers are probably neither, as a group.

    I, generally accept the need to quarantine. If I thought that the PTB’s were wrong (ignorant), or given to ulterior motives (criminal), I could be at liberty to consider otherwise.

  225. Q. Shtik April 21, 2020 at 1:22 pm #

    “I have a Scots name, with Scots heritage all the way back to Mel Gibson” – Cargill

    =========

    ‘I am Scotch’ too, to quote our president, at least on my mother’s side, or so we believe. And not only am I ‘Scotch’ (I like to drink the stuff) but Mom said Bonnie Prince Charlie is in our blood line. (But people always say stuff like that.) My folks had a beloved pet, a West Highland White Terrier, and named him Charlie after the Prince.

  226. sunburstsoldier April 21, 2020 at 1:23 pm #

    “People are too selfish to make Socialism work so we throw it out and just accept the unlimited greed of Capitalism – seems to be Sunburst’s big solution.

    Total nonsense. I won’t bother refuting it. This whole argument is an exercise in futility anyway. Post-collapse we will have more important things to worry about then whether or not someone has more potatoes than we do…

  227. Janos Skorenzy April 21, 2020 at 1:24 pm #

    I was amazed like other posters at the utter obsession of our antipodal colleagues with American politics. Majella knows about Judge Jeanine Pirro! Wtf?

    It come to my last night after a particularly bitter rant by Maj: They feel themselves to be our colonials and are naturally resentful and obsessed. Needless to say England and Canada as well. That they are a bit closer in space and history merely covers up the existential reality of their colonized resentment.

    Apparently much of the rest of the world feels exactly the same. They may lack the minute knowledge of our pop culture – but only by not being able to speak the language. This song, “Living in America” by the German group, Rammstein sums it up nicely.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsOmwPSXQgQ

    I don’t say they are wrong either, in their assessment of the situation or their resentment. America sucks and they gave up much of their culture for this mess of pottage. Germany at least tired to win its Freedom for itself and for all those who would go with them. Don’t know if Rammstein knows this or not. They may. There’s one very heroic song “Reise” (Rise?) which they don’t translate into English. And others have speculated about other lyrics. Not a huge fan and I don’t have enough of a data set to argue either way. But I really like a few of their songs.

    But in any case, thank God we got away from the Brits! Imagine how bad it would be if we hadn’t.

  228. sunburstsoldier April 21, 2020 at 1:42 pm #

    Janos,

    You and SSL are persons of faith. Why don’t you have faith that human nature can be transfigured and lifted to a higher evolutionary level? Socialism is for those who are atheists or secularists. They don’t believe in human perfectability at least in a moral or spiritual sense whereas you should…

  229. Janos Skorenzy April 21, 2020 at 1:59 pm #

    Sun: That’s Marxist Socialism. You really didn’t know that there were other kinds? Like Modi’s National Socialism in India? I admit its not talked about for obvious reason. India simply did not accept the Zio/Anglo campaign of slander against Germany. For that matter, look into Israel’s Likkud Party. They are National Socialists too.

  230. Majella April 21, 2020 at 2:00 pm #

    Really.

    The religious, claiming Christianity as their guiding light, criticise ‘socialism’. Yet the core of Christ’s teaching is the core of socialism, in its truest form. Care for others especially the vulnerable.

    You Christians hereabouts though cannot see that simple fact. You distort the essence of socialism to fit your own agenda.

    A question – it’s not been plain to date, but I wonder if any of our resident religious prosetylisers are of the Prosperity Gospel, Mega-Church, commercialized religion types?

  231. sunburstsoldier April 21, 2020 at 2:02 pm #

    “Identity politics is a racket no less than the scams in Wall Street, so-called health care, the college loan industry, and all the other dishonest games running in this troubled moment of our national life. Ultimately, it defeats the idea that we are individuals, with the awesome responsibility to take care of our own lives within the framework of agreed-upon standards of decent behavior. Adopting a reality-optional ideology is not a way to thrive in this challenging world undergoing deep change.” JHK; Living in the Long Emergency.

    Indeed. Reality will be a hard slap in the face. Nothing ‘optional’ about it…

  232. Nightowl April 21, 2020 at 2:04 pm #

    “Owl,
    For your comment to be accepted, you have to consider the leaders of the world’s countries as either ignorant or criminal.

    The referenced shot-callers are probably neither, as a group.

    I, generally accept the need to quarantine. If I thought that the PTB’s were wrong (ignorant), or given to ulterior motives (criminal), I could be at liberty to consider otherwise.”

    Why the binary? It is also entirely possible they rely on information that is false. We just witnessed the attempted overthrow of a sitting US president done almost entirely in secret. And this involved intelligence services and govenment officials in the 5EYES countries.

    That alone should be enough to suggest that we don’t really know anything about what goes on at that level.

    Given that the info. on the danger is coming from one or two major sources and cascading down to governments and health services in various countries, I would suggest many involved have no real idea what the truth is.

    For fun, watch the video posted earlier in the thread where a Fake News hack is caught on a hot mic telling his press compadres what the “real” death rate is. Is the hack correct? I have no idea, but it further solidifies what I have been saying: we don’t know shit, and this quarantine is most convenient for certian parties.

  233. Janos Skorenzy April 21, 2020 at 2:04 pm #

    Even classic American Unionism (influenced by Marxism of course) was far better than what we have now. They saw illegal immigrants for what they were: Scabs that would bring down wages and take needed jobs. But now they are embraced by the Unions. The Unions have been coopted by the Corporations and the Democratic Party. They don’t seek Justice for workers anymore, not first and foremost anyway. But rather, a place at the Table of Power.

    Jack London graduated from Unionism and Marxism, saying that he would always be a Socialist, but he was a White Man first. A natural National Socialist who didn’t live long enough to see the rise of the Hero.

  234. Janos Skorenzy April 21, 2020 at 2:11 pm #

    The CDC claimed masks didn’t help people and that only sick people should wear them. And that doctors needed them so you were killing people if you wore them. But why did doctors need them if they didn’t help people?

    No doubt they will soon say that we should wear them all the time even in the shower – or we will die.

    The CDC is jobs program for entitled trash.

  235. sunburstsoldier April 21, 2020 at 2:14 pm #

    “The religious, claiming Christianity as their guiding light, criticise ‘socialism’. Yet the core of Christ’s teaching is the core of socialism, in its truest form. Care for others especially the vulnerable.”

    True enough, but to practice this form of Socialism one must be Christ-like in nature. Socialism implemented from the top down by a class of elites is about as far away as imaginable from a ‘Christ-like’ socialism which is purely voluntary and wells up from the reformed human heart.

    I am a ‘Jesus freak’. I hold to the original teaching of Christ to the extent it hasn’t been corrupted by interpreters, but not to the doctrines promulgated by institutional Christianity…

  236. Majella April 21, 2020 at 2:18 pm #

    Skorenzy

    Your immovable ignorance astounds. Why would I NOT be aware of a loud-mouthed lying twat like Pirro? It’s a small world, after all.

    Any interest in American politics from people not American citizens is more by way of self-preservation. Are you trying to tell me that you have no idea of the huge & broad influence the US economy & polity has over the rest of the world?

    You demented conclusion about something to do with colonization is too malformed for me to make any sense of, but please, don’t try to clarify – it’d be a waste of time.

    Your little jive on Rammstein was cute. Does your google box not work?
    ‘Revise’ is ‘travel’ or ‘journey’.

    The song ‘Amerika’ from the 2004 album ‘Reise, Reise’ is hardly chocka with deep & meaningful lyrics. The most interesting thing about your link was the ad at the start of it from a Jewish University professor explains the meaning of ‘hallelujah’ Co-incidence?

  237. Q. Shtik April 21, 2020 at 2:21 pm #

    It doesn’t take me long to tire of someone’s voice and presence. Cuomo is now on my shit list. Can there be any doubt that he has higher political aspirations than Governor of NY? This virus pandemic is a godsend. A reason to be on TV every day. And talking all rational and stuff…unlike you-know-who. But make no mistake, he is a narcissist too, though of an entirely different stripe.

    My wife and her cohort of girlfriends all love Cuomo and, of course, detest Trump. There’s this morning routine at our house. The wife is in the bathroom just off our kitchen, fixing herself up. I’m in the kitchen eating my healthful breakfast, looking up at the TV. The regular time for the New York Covid presser arrives (I think it’s 11 AM, not sure). Because I like to do little things to please my wife, I yell out “President Coumo is on.” She runs into the kitchen, coils of Loreal-enhanced hair dangling down, holding a hot curling iron, and stares mesmerized at what she hopes will be Trump’s replacement.

  238. akmofo April 21, 2020 at 2:29 pm #

    Funny, when I look at the thug face I see a classic mafiosi asswipe, and his dumbass brother Frodo don’t help his case either. Goddamn Vatican mafia everywhere!

  239. Janos Skorenzy April 21, 2020 at 2:34 pm #

    Old Remus, from his Woodpile Report

    By her own statements, the “lead vaccine scientist” at NIH reveals herself as an embittered and tiresome race hustler. To quote the immortal Daffy Duck: what a maroon. This stuff is one more way the NIH has forfeited the trust of decent people and needs to be replaced and fumigated. Excerpts from Fox News:

    Dr. Kizzmekia Corbett , who is described by the National Institutes of Health (NIH) as the “lead” member of the U.S. government team racing to find a coronavirus vaccine, has engaged with online theories calling the pandemic a black “genocide” and condemned what she called “systematic oppression” by white people, a review of her social media posts by “Tucker Carlson Tonight” reveals…

    “I am praying that policies reflect this is [sic] multiple ways,” she wrote, referring to addressing systemic racism. “They must or we will be doomed in the next pandemic(s) too” …

    On March 29, Corbett tweeted out a Bloomberg article about how the poor are dying at higher rates from coronavirus. In her tweet, she said that doctors would deliberately choose to deny ventilators to black Americans, leaving them to die instead.

    Are the CDC, FDA, NIH and WHO warehouses where the medical profession puts their fascist schoolmarms, race-baiting clowns and third rate opportunists? They had one job. They failed. In fact, their confusion and misinformation made a bad situation worse.

    Apologies, if offered, are not accepted. It’s time for the lot of them to cease betraying the citizenry for their own amusement, clean out their desks and be gone. Whatever replaces them has to be better because it can’t be worse.

    JS: Coronavirus? Controlavirus!

  240. Janos Skorenzy April 21, 2020 at 2:39 pm #

    Sunburst: Surely we can come to accord by hating on someone? That’s how it is usually done. How about the Governor of Michigan, what’s her name? Would you agree with Tucker that she is a Ghoul? One who has ordered the outdoor and garden sections of hardware stores or Walmart to be closed so people can’t take advantage of the leisure to work on their houses or plant a garden. Grass seeds, no, but grass (pot) OK!

    Or how about Fauci who said if you want to personally take a risk, go on Tinder and then hook up with someone, that’s up to you. But going to Church? Forget it, buster. Surely we can find accord by hating him as well as the Ghoula?

  241. sunburstsoldier April 21, 2020 at 2:39 pm #

    The real reason Western Civilization is collapsing is because the teaching of Christ (not to be confused with the dogmas of institutional Christianity), being found too difficult for most to put into practice, has gone unheeded…

  242. SoftStarLight April 21, 2020 at 2:41 pm #

    Thank you Janos! I never really thought about that example regarding cats but I think it is really good one. Of course we love cats but you are right. It would be totally unsustainable to keep a Lion as a pet. Though humans try to do such things but end up enslaving the animal instead. I agree with you. I am not suggesting that we wipe out the Capitalists or free enterprise. I agree that we simply need to reign in the Capitalists and the free enterprise so that those activities serve the greater good of the Nation and People. We are not perfect, nor can we be on this plain of existence. As you know that can be very painful to learn and accept. However, there is nothing that says we should not continually strive for perfection. If not then what are we doing? Are we simply existing or are we truly growing as spiritual and physical beings?

  243. sunburstsoldier April 21, 2020 at 2:45 pm #

    You’re getting too worked up Janos. Calm down. When you get overly excited you are even more incomprehensible than normal. So many of your statements have such an obtuse and esoteric cause/effect relationship with one another that it’s hard to make head or tails of what you’re saying…

  244. Janos Skorenzy April 21, 2020 at 2:46 pm #

    Maj just went on Wiki to become a Rammstein expert. Refuses to talk about the Americanization of the World which countless people on both sides have lauded or bemoaned. Both have done both, believe it or not. But yes, most conservatives (small c) think its great. And most liberals do not, yet they serve as its missionaries nonetheless, spreading feminism, contraception, careerism, communism, etc. It’s one system, with two wings, and a very steep hierarchy with a small band at the very top. There will be no Communism for them, thank you very much. But perhaps for us there will be. We will need it thanks to their greed.

    Conservatives (small c) also serve as its missionaries via Capitalism needless to say. And of course the whole Military presence with bases all over the place. Neo-Conservtism=Neo-Liberalism. They came to the same Truth from different places and have their own histories and traditions – and obviously different marketing strategies to their unique bases who still “believe”.

  245. Janos Skorenzy April 21, 2020 at 2:48 pm #

    Sun: Again with the disingenuousness. Do you hate your ditzy tyrannical governor or not? She has nice hair. She may not be all bad, like kittens and flowers, etc. See? I’m not all bad either. I’m nice!

  246. sunburstsoldier April 21, 2020 at 2:50 pm #

    There won’t be a nation much longer SSL, just local municipalities.

    “Are we simply existing or are we truly growing as spiritual and physical beings?”

    That’s a question you have to ask yourself. I’m sure you know the answer…

  247. akmofo April 21, 2020 at 2:51 pm #

    Western Civilization is collapsing because the mafia has taken it over. You think I’m kidding but I’m dead serious. Everything you are witnessing is a racket and a scam. The fact that it’s coordinated and that no one is investigating, tells me how deep the mafia has infiltrated all the institutions. They are all working together. The Russians the Italians the French the Germans the Chinese the Japanese, etc. The mafias of world are under one umbrella. It’s quite amazing. It puts the fictional James Bond’s Spectre organization to complete shame. Reality is much more fantastical!

  248. sunburstsoldier April 21, 2020 at 2:52 pm #

    I don’t like her style of governance. It’s both half-assed and heavy-handed at the same…

  249. SoftStarLight April 21, 2020 at 2:57 pm #

    Majella, are you sure you would accept Jesus? Since you say He is the pinnacle of your philosophy. I rather think that you would have denied Him based on what you say here. Remember, Jesus is nothing like you imagine Him. He is a hulking, real man of a carpenter that can smash and break anything He wants to. And He won’t put up with anything. You would have hated Him for referring to non-Israelites as dogs. He is “racist”! You would have hated Him for his “misogyny”. He had no problem whatsoever telling the Samaritan woman basically to stop lying before she barely opened her mouth and letting her know He knew exactly the problems she had with men. And yet his forgiveness and love is like the ocean. And Jesus also spoke to the importance of work and not simply redistribution. You wouldn’t have denied Him? Or am I wrong. Would you have washed his feet with your hair?

  250. RZ April 21, 2020 at 3:00 pm #

    WTI trading in *negative* numbers!!! Brent way down.

    Sniff. Sniff. Is that panic I smell? Mixed with the fine scent of flying feces?

    Capitalism and socialism are children of industrial economies, not relevant to the coming local, small scale, sweat of thy brow ways of life. It will come, slowly and painfully, assuming the nukes stay in their silos.

    I often wonder what TPTB see when looking over the numbers & trends. Apparently some have bolt holes and bug out private jets, but are any setting up self sufficient manors? Do they believe the economists saying that oil will be replaced with renewables, fission and/or fusion? They certainly look like a roiling mass of confusion. Are the Saudis and Russians in deliberate cahoots to lower the price of oil to kill fracking? Covid-19 is giving that effort a big boost.

    The richies certainly hate us and troll us. How else to explain both the current president and his rival being babbling dementia cases?

  251. SoftStarLight April 21, 2020 at 3:07 pm #

    SBS you are correct that we cannot achieve perfection in this reality but if we try to move closer to Christ we are doing so to partake to the extent that we can in His perfection. If you want to really be like Christ then you have to become a mirror. You lose your life, but you attain unto the Spirit. Much easier to talk about than to do. And we will all fall short along the way since we are creatures and not yet our perfected selves. But falling short doesn’t need to stop us on our journey. And its true in many cases that usually the ones who appreciate His grace the most were the ones that at one time were furthest from it. I don’t intend to proselytize but I feel like there is nothing wrong with talking about Him, especially when others are discussing the matter. But note that if you mention His name you will incur ridicule from at least some. This does not happen with other names. Think about it.

  252. Nightowl April 21, 2020 at 3:37 pm #

    Janos,

    I don’t agree with your interpretation of either of those Rammstein songs, but I wanted to confirm that Reise in this case can refer to an old German wake-up call used by sailors.

    In this context, it means to get up or rise. The latter not being something Maj’s IQ is likely to ever do.

  253. tucsonspur April 21, 2020 at 3:40 pm #

    Don’t ever, ever let your moral sense keep you from doing what’s right.

  254. sunburstsoldier April 21, 2020 at 3:43 pm #

    “Capitalism and socialism are children of industrial economies, not relevant to the coming local, small scale, sweat of thy brow ways of life.” RZ

    Well put and quite true. Why keep up this endless debate on the merits of Capitalism vs Socialism (and vice versa) when neither will be around much longer. Is the farmer working the fields for his extended family or clan to be considered a socialist? Is the craftsman making wooden furniture for a neighbor or two to be considered a capitalist? What difference does it make what we call them? They are doing what they need to do in order to survive and that is all that matters…

  255. BackRowHeckler April 21, 2020 at 4:04 pm #

    Yes, I read that report on Dr Kizmeekia Corbett, lead NIH researcher in the race to find a cure and a vaccine for Covid-19. From the text ot it it’s pretty clear there isn’t going to be a cure or a vaccine.

    I’m reminded of the story a few weeks ago in the NYPost about the NYC Dept of Health commissioner, a Hispanic woman, who until a few weeks ago directed her departments considerable resources to fight ‘the disease of racism’. That’s what the mayor appointed her to do, and that’s what she was doing.

    Brh

  256. Janos Skorenzy April 21, 2020 at 4:11 pm #

    Night: Well, how would you interpret the America song then? Remember, he says this is not a love song. And the “wondervol” is surely ironic?

  257. sophia April 21, 2020 at 4:32 pm #

    There’s a line forming up at the local 7/11. They’re paying people $1.79 a gallon to fill up there gas tanks. Plus they throw in a free coffee.

    Now that’s a good economic system.

  258. Majella April 21, 2020 at 4:36 pm #

    “The word was we gave only 12 years left, and that was 3 years ago. Time is getting short yet you mock it.

    Brh

    Come on, Marlin….you’ve been on this blatant misinformation trip for way to long for your own good! Don’t pretend you’re so naive that you don’t understand what that ’12 year warning’ was about – namely, that we had (then) 12 years to start taking effective action (if there is any) BEFORE it would be just too late to turn the tide.

  259. Q. Shtik April 21, 2020 at 4:41 pm #

    I read that report on Dr Kizmeekia Corbett – BRH

    ================

    I recall reading a few decades ago how OJ Simpson got his name and what the ‘O’ stood for… it’s Orenthal. How many other Orenthals do you know? (That’s a rhetorical question; the answer is none.) It seems there was an old Aunt (pronounced Ahnt, not Ant) who dreamed up names for new babies.

    I wonder if Dr. Kizzmekia “Kizzy” Shanta Corbett had such an old Ahnt and if so how did she do her schtick? Pull Scrabble tiles out of a hat?

  260. sophia April 21, 2020 at 4:42 pm #

    I think y’all might like to go read Dr. Kendrick’s latest post, which isn’t very long. Here’s a snip:

    Lockdown has two main purposes. One, to limit the spread of the virus. Two, and most important, to protect the elderly and infirm from infection – as these are the people most likely to become very ill, end up in hospital, and often die. [In my view, if we had any sense, we would lockdown/protect the elderly, and let everyone else get on with their lives].

    However, the hospitals themselves have another policy. Which is to discharge the elderly unwell patients with COVID directly back into the community, and care homes. Where they can spread the virus widely amongst the most vulnerable.

    This, believe it or not, is NHS policy. Still.

    https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2020/04/21/the-anti-lockdown-strategy/

  261. Majella April 21, 2020 at 4:46 pm #

    SSL

    “Majella, are you sure you would accept Jesus? Since you say He is the pinnacle of your philosophy.”

    When did I ever say ‘Jesus is the pinnacle of (my) philosophy? You’re still deliberately misreading – even twisting – other people’s words for your own agenda.

    I was brought up a Catholic in the Irish tradition (young Gaelic-speaking nuns brought out from Kerry for our edification), so I have a full understanding of the basis of Christian philosophy (from within the One, Holy & Apostolic Chruch [that should give akmofo a nice little hook to jazz on]).

    I ave in the past pointed out such gems of wisdom attributed to Jesus (though they’re universal truths and pre-date his story by millennia) and been accused of ‘cherry-picking’ so f*ck you, SSSl.

    And this tripe about “ hulking, real man of a carpenter that can smash and break anything He wants to. And He won’t put up with anything. You would have hated Him for referring to non-Israelites as dogs.” – How would YOU know? You’ve imagined this (possibly) historic figure to fit your own sad needs. Pfft!

  262. sophia April 21, 2020 at 4:58 pm #

    Janos,

    No one gets to vote without a record of service – and that’s just for starters.

    If by service, you mean military, I don’t like it. A society based on the military. Well, Israel is. And then what about women. I don’t think they should be in the military, although there are many ways they could serve. So then you have a bunch of hot youngsters in close proximity so I don’t think the entire enterprise would be serious.

    And serving in the military hardly means you are not a selfish or stupid person.

  263. sophia April 21, 2020 at 5:06 pm #

    Sunburst,

    <i.Why don’t you have faith that human nature can be transfigured and lifted to a higher evolutionary level? Socialism is for those who are atheists or secularists.

    First of all, perhaps socialism isn’t always like the soviet union. For example, Sweden.
    But anyway, tell me how you have faith that human nature can be uplifted?

    I’m not saying it can’t – but we in this prison haven’t seen anything good in a long, long time. It’s very hard not to lose faith. I do believe humans can fall lower, so why not higher? Unfortunately, gravity makes the latter a lot easier than the former.

  264. sophia April 21, 2020 at 5:08 pm #

    I’m gonna rip my hair out.
    Dear AI program:

    Is there a way to actually program in with some keystrokes the
    ?

  265. sophia April 21, 2020 at 5:09 pm #

    Ha, ha, that didn’t come out! Why? Can’t I type in a?

  266. sophia April 21, 2020 at 5:10 pm #

    Wow, I can’t. I don’t get it. You typed them in when you explained how to do it. I’m talking about the italics function

    <<<>>> iiii ////

  267. Nightowl April 21, 2020 at 5:13 pm #

    Janos,

    Never mind. RE: Amerika, I agree. I skimmed that part and took a different meaning from it.

    Germans have a love/hate relationship with the US. Most are fascinated by it; have traveled there extensively, and can speak some English.

    At the same time, (in line with your post) they dislike the spread of the worst elements of McCulture, and there is some resentment leftover from WWII with regard to the very black and white nature with which Germans (as a whole) are depicted in the history books. The same goes for the idea that America rebuilt Germany.

    Regarding the latter item, there is a song here that goes “Oh Amerika, Du hast so viel für uns getan!” It is meant sarcastically, ofc.

  268. sophia April 21, 2020 at 5:23 pm #

    Sunburst,

    The real reason Western Civilization is collapsing is because the teaching of Christ (not to be confused with the dogmas of institutional Christianity), being found too difficult for most to put into practice, has gone unheeded…

    I disagree. The reason civilization is dying is that a naive populace has been subject to an invisible and relentless, slow and careful, diabolically planned incremental destruction of its values, its hopes, its sensibilities.

  269. SoftStarLight April 21, 2020 at 5:54 pm #

    No Majella that was simply the qualities of him that were recorded. Hippie Jesus though is the more popular interpretation. It’s funny because often times Muslims have a more accurate view of historical Jesus in that regard. I think in the past we agreed on those gems of wisdom that you did bring up at the time so I am not sure what you mean. Did I accuse you of cherry-picking?

  270. Janos Skorenzy April 21, 2020 at 5:55 pm #

    Sophia; Military for men, something else for most women. Conscientous objectors as well. The soldiers could also help with emergencies, like flood, fires or things that need doing, like repairing our railroads and roads.

    Service would just be the start of becoming a full citizen with the right to vote. You would also have to pass tests as to your knowledge of civics and history. You would also have to agree with the Nation as a Nation as its founding philosophy. Enemies don’t get a say. Financial solvency. Non criminality, etc. Maybe graduated, with many attaining the ability to vote in local elections, fewer at the state level and fewer still at the Federal level. You’d really have to know your stuff then: philosophy, history, and current events, and the world situation. Economics as well. Make it mean something to be a citizen. Low IQ’s weeded out. As are the lazy doing innie meenie miney moe on the ballots.

    Any State worth having is going to be hated by the rest of the World and threatened by the rising tide of color bolstered as it is by the nascent New World Order. Therefore it would have to be militant to the nth degree to have any chance at all.

  271. sunburstsoldier April 21, 2020 at 5:59 pm #

    “The reason civilization is dying is that a naive populace has been subject to an invisible and relentless, slow and careful, diabolically planned incremental destruction of its values, its hopes, its sensibilities.”

    It amounts to the same thing Sophia…

  272. malthuss April 21, 2020 at 6:08 pm #

    Q. Shtik,

    OJs dad was a drag queen [according to a tabloid newspaper] and he grew up in poverty.

  273. malthuss April 21, 2020 at 6:13 pm #

    JS
    That’s exactly what the Capitalists did.

    No, the other sub group did it, and you know it.

  274. lost-in-north-dakota April 21, 2020 at 6:19 pm #

    I think both candidates are suffering from cognitive decline. Who is worse….Biden or Trump….I don’t know.

  275. tucsonspur April 21, 2020 at 6:52 pm #

    The title of this essay is “The Placeholder”, meaning that Biden is just filling in ’till someone else arrives. It’s quite fitting in another respect, since the number zero has been known as a placeholder for a long, long time.

    These things take time. I have seen Trump for what he is and I no longer want him as my leader. Can’t vote for Biden though. Things are tough all over.

  276. sunburstsoldier April 21, 2020 at 7:09 pm #

    “But anyway, tell me how you have faith that human nature can be uplifted?” Sophia

    Because we are indwelt with a divine spirit working tirelessly on the level of our deep mind to encourage us to make those choices which are beneficial to the development of our eternal soul. This inner spirit cannot force us to make the right choices, as this would override free will and defeat the purpose of our existence. As a consequence of this basic freedom, there are many who choose not to heed the spirit’s call, and live not for a higher purpose, but for themselves alone. By their fruits you shall know them…

  277. elysianfield April 21, 2020 at 7:17 pm #

    “The gunman was wearing an authentic RCMP police uniform, authorities said on Tuesday. He did not work for any police force. ”

    Elrond,
    Nobody needs an authentic RCMP uniform. In the US, we do not have RCMP uniforms, and we feel much safer as a result.

    RCMP uniforms should be banned.

    The above argument represent how your suggestions regarding our 2nd Amendment are accepted.

    Sorry to hear of the carnage…it is what we call in law enforcement a…crime.

  278. elysianfield April 21, 2020 at 7:19 pm #

    And…the link;

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52376547

  279. BackRowHeckler April 21, 2020 at 7:53 pm #

    E.

    Aren’t guns all but banned in Canada?

    A way must be found to blame this massacre on the NRA, the United States, the manufacturer of the offending firearm, and the President Trump himself. Then we can get to the bottom of it.

    Guns are hard to get in Japan so last year a disaffected high tech worker barricaded his co workers inside an office building, doused the place in gasoline, and set it afire: 35 dead. Which just goes to show you if there’s a will there’s a way.

    Meanwhile, on the homefront, altho on a sort of lame lockdown, violence in ‘the hood’ continues at a steady pace, a stabbing here, a shooting there, and yesterday a spectacular fentanyl and gun bust in Hartford, looks like a gang from Mexico here to stake out their American Dream.

    Brh

  280. Cargill April 21, 2020 at 7:53 pm #

    Placeholder

    These are strange days, indeed. But in what alternative universe can anyone imagine Joe Biden actually making it through a presidential election campaign?

    I think this is hyperbole … Joe Biden is old but is still pretty tough and fit.

    The party he supposedly leads stuffed him into a broom closet last week after he gibbered through a session with CNN’s leading light Anderson Cooper. They can’t just hide the poor fellow there until November 3.

    I saw his interview with Anderson Cooper, plus two with Chris Cuomo – in all three he was pretty impressive. I agree he gibbered reaching for “War Production Board”, but it’s hardly common parlance.

    Everybody knows he’s dimmer than a night-lite, and everybody’s pretending it’s okay.

    More exaggeration.

    And even a half-wattage Joe Biden is still streets ahead of the corrupt circus clown in the job at the moment. I’m also amazed that the Democratic Party could not come up with someone of the calibre of Bill Clinton or Barack Obama, but their obsession with “electability” has blown back at them.

    So, you have to ask: what is their game?

    If it were a game that was easily rigged, then Joe Biden wouldn’t be there – someone younger and sharper would be. But someone younger, sharper, and not too far to the “Left” of the party simply didn’t put their hand up, or if they did, they proved to be unpopular. The party doesn’t control that.

    Now, you could easily construct a scenario in which ol’ Bernie would have glided to victory in November on the basis of that, combined with unemployment figures that make the Great Depression look like a job fair.

    Bernie would have been slaughtered in November – another decent bloke who loses: Eugene McCarthy, Herbert Humphrey, Michael Dukakis … and the primary voters knew this – it wasn’t managed by some dark cabal of the party.

    Picking Joe Biden as the instrument to block Bernie seemed especially dumb just weeks after the Democrats’ impeachment gambit blew up in their faces by shining a fiercely revealing light on Joe and Hunter’s adventures in international grift.

    I agree here – I think the issue of Hunter, and Joe’s brother James, are going to be used far more against him than his cognitive decline, or the sexual predator allegations. But on all three issues, Trump is up to his armpits in far more sludge than Joe. And the primary voters knew this very well.

    One can easily discern Mr. Biden’s motive for remaining in the race after that because sheltering in candidacy seemed to inoculate him from any criminal investigation.

    This is pure speculation – if any authority or agency wished to investigate Joe Biden, they can do it whether he’s a candidate or not.

    But, did the whole party want to go all-in on that? Maybe so, because the doings in Ukraine circa 2014 included a large cast of characters in Barack Obama’s state department ¬– not least, Secretary of State John Kerry ¬– plus the entire George Soros network of international backstage finaglers …

    Again – this constant meme that there is some vast pro-Democrat (and anti-Trump) “deep state” shenanigans in play, and it has been working illegally for years … some proof please, not just conspiracy theories!

    And really – do we need the ultra-right George Soros conspiracies yet again? And how can one seriously link the Democratic Party players with Epstein, but yet not Trump – that is rather biased.

    There really are only two plausible game plans for the Dems with Joe Biden.

    Firstly – Joe Biden was picked by the primary voters, not by the party machine … they have nothing to “undo”. And Hillary Clinton won’t be the candidate for 3 November – it is pure speculation by too many fevered minds.

    The other pretty obvious scheme, seemingly underway now, is to fix up Mr. Biden with a running-mate who can take over his duties twenty-three minutes after the inauguration ceremony. Stacey Abrams … [w]ouldn’t that make a heck of an appealing ticket?

    Indeed it would make a good team – it might offend that part of the population that wants it all plain vanilla, but a black woman on the ticket at least looks a lot more like the Real America.

    Apparently, that’s one more memo the Democratic Party did not get: America no longer has time for identity politics.

    I disagree – with the very severe “racial profiling” of the virus, it seems even more critical that huge parts of society (most obviously, low wages and equal access to health services) need a lot of support, and I would suggest that a Biden-Abrams ticket is far and away the best option for “all” Americans.

    I appreciate that incumbent presidents going for a second term run on their first-term record, and by any fair measure, Trump (and the Republican Senate) should be run out of town. But still, why this obsession with the ups and downs of the Democratic Party, while Trump and the Republicans get a free pass?

    Where is the analysis of the graft and corruption in the White House, where is the detail of the neutering of inspectors general, and the egregious politicisation of government departments? Some analysis of the Trump response to the pandemic would dwarf any foibles within the Democrats.

  281. JohnAZ April 21, 2020 at 8:00 pm #

    All the discussion about Main Street small scale living are forgetting one thing, the megapolises. City dwellers are worthless in a small scale localized world, what is going to happen with the city dwellers?

    The collapse of the current economy, if it happens, is going to be deadly A goodly amount of people everywhere are going to die. They are not going peaceably.

    All you folks that are switching on Trump, just remember one think. Why did you vote for Trump in the first place, and remember that if you vote for the Democrat you are voting for the side that caused you to vote for Trump. You are voting for the jerks that have stopped Trump from doing what you wanted him to do in the first place. What sense does that make, SSL and Janos?

    If you vote for Biden, or whoever, are you going to get what you wanted in 2016?

    One more comment. The reaction of the oil markets shows how close we are to the supply and demand cliff, price wise. Ie how steep the price reaction curve is. The way things are happening, it is pretty obvious that US oil is the target. First the virus, then the economic shutdown, now the oil. Add onto it that the split between the governors, blue and red, shows how badly the blues do not want the economy to bounce back. How many bullet points in one direction do people need to figure out what is happening?

    Think about it. I was incredulous when Bill Maher said he wanted a recession to get rid of Trump. He said that the damage to the public would be worth it. We are watching an action plan to accomplish his wish.

  282. Cargill April 21, 2020 at 8:11 pm #

    And here’s an idea I offer free to our rich and powerful friends across The Big Pond.

    Give the management of the $380 billion small-business support program to the BIA. I worked two decades for the Australian equivalent of the BIA, and my role was assessing and issue grants, loans, and loan-grant packages to Aboriginal councils, corporations and families.

    Rather than very large (even publicly traded) companies getting the lion’s share, rather than the small guy and girl on Main Street, the BIA would know all about trying to support marginal – but often socially vital – small enterprises across the land, from Alaska to Florida.

    Small business support is critical, and the pandemic has been a great leveller – and this should be reflected in how these massive amounts of money are distributed. Outsourcing the program to big banks makes “sense” administratively, but the inevitable happens – the loans wind up going to the healthiest businesses – not to those who need it the most.

  283. sunburstsoldier April 21, 2020 at 8:40 pm #

    “All the discussion about Main Street small scale living are forgetting one thing, the megapolises. City dwellers are worthless in a small scale localized world, what is going to happen with the city dwellers?” JohnAZ

    That’s a good question John. I wonder how Jim would answer it.

    One thing to remember is that a return to localized, small scale living is not a choice at this point but something which will be forced upon us by the Long Emergency itself. What will happen to the people who live in cities? Unless there is a great deal of prior warning that will permit mass relocation to the countryside, things will look very dark for them…

  284. Cargill April 21, 2020 at 8:45 pm #

    The way things are happening, it is pretty obvious that US oil is the target. First the virus, then the economic shutdown, now the oil. Add onto it that the split between the governors, blue and red, shows how badly the blues do not want the economy to bounce back. How many bullet points in one direction do people need to figure out what is happening?

    I’m not convinced that all adds up – or at least I would need a lot more evidence that there is a “they” out there that has caused the virus, the economic crunch, and the collapse in oil prices.

    Clearly the Democrats want the Republicans to be punished for their woeful and inept response – a response that remains hopelessly inadequate, and mired in partisan politics – all caused by Trump.

    But there is NO evidence that the Democrat governors are deliberately ensuring that the lockdowns go on one day longer than necessary – however they are not going to follow the madness of Georgia – where a premature re-opening is purely politics, and in defiance of all the medical advice.

    That is playing recklessly with people’s lives, and is criminal.

  285. Janos Skorenzy April 21, 2020 at 8:48 pm #

    https://www.henrymakow.com/2020/04/proof-pandemic-is-a-total-fraud.html

    JS: As always, Makow is a voice of sanity, a bulwark against the Satanist agenda.

  286. Cargill April 21, 2020 at 8:50 pm #

    All the discussion about Main Street small scale living are forgetting one thing, the megapolises. City dwellers are worthless in a small scale localized world, what is going to happen with the city dwellers?

    If there is ever a collapse of hyper-complex capitalism in the next few generations (not yet proven) – then obviously there will be extensive and ruthless land reform. The Republican landowners will squeal, but so be it, life will turn tough.

    “Sorry My Richman, but you do not need these 5000 acres of good farmland for your racehorses – it will feed a hundred poor families from Detroit, so pony up.”

  287. Majella April 21, 2020 at 8:55 pm #

    SSL

    Have you checked the details on the Immigration Ban? Not as advertised on Twitter, I’m afraid. Let down AGAIN!

  288. Cargill April 21, 2020 at 8:58 pm #

    JS: As always, Makow is a voice of sanity, a bulwark against the Satanist agenda.

    Conspiracy theorists always resonate with some people … they just so wish to believe such piffle. The “data” presented in the article is at best hugely cherry-picked, and at worst totally laughable.

    And totally socially inept – a young person with previously undiagnosed leukaemia dies after catching Covid-19. Had they not caught the virus, they would still be alive, and might well have led a full life. How does that not count as a Covid-19 death?

    The reality is that deaths from Covid-19 are probably woefully under-reported, rather than over-stated, as the conspiracists like to exclaim.

    And the conspiracists can never answer one thing: who is the “they” that benefits from a pandemic, from an economic crunch, from a lockdown program? Where is the pay-off?

  289. akmofo April 21, 2020 at 8:59 pm #

    “Anything that goes against WHO will be removed from YouTube

    YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki
    ==

    Signed,
    Vatican mafia

  290. Janos Skorenzy April 21, 2020 at 9:02 pm #

    In Italy the army had to come in to take away corpses.

    Sky News

    “The crematorium of Bergamo, working at full capacity, 24 hours a day, can cremate 25 dead”, said a spokesperson for the local authority.

    “It is clear that it could not stand up to the numbers of the past few days.”

    JS: An interesting meditation is it not? It takes a lot of time and energy to burn a body. Only twenty five in twenty four hours? Wow.

  291. Janos Skorenzy April 21, 2020 at 9:07 pm #

    Carguile: Yes, under-reported just like the Flu with which it has been conflated. Why? Because neither is that serious in the vast majority of cases. No symptoms or just the sniffles, you big baby.

    With this thinnest of pretextes, they want to track us, test us, and chip us forevermore.

    I can easily imagine you chip setting off store alarms if you haven’t gotten your weekly “check up”. Guards will deny you entry or even call the police on you.

  292. Majella April 21, 2020 at 9:29 pm #

    Skorenzy

    You should get a job with these evil but invisible elites. You know their playbook in such granular detail! Impressive.

  293. Janos Skorenzy April 21, 2020 at 9:42 pm #

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=47&v=L6P4t8YTmdY&feature=emb_logo

    Open or hot mic before a White House press briefing. Guy (don’t know who) saying to the other, Take off the mask. The real death rate is .01 to .03 of the 220,000 to 440,000 people in California who really have it. The Black guy whose youtube this is, provides the study or a similar one further on.

    The masked guy says, We’ve all been vaccinated already anyway. Have no idea what that means. Something no available to the general public yet? Again, I don’t know who these guys are. If anybody does, please share.

    In other words, this isn’t dangerous at all and we’ve been duped, hoaxed, and punked.

    Maj is mad at me again. She needs to listen to more Rammstein. Let the Germanic spirit expand her spirit.

  294. Cargill April 21, 2020 at 9:43 pm #

    JS: An interesting meditation is it not? It takes a lot of time and energy to burn a body. Only twenty five in twenty four hours? Wow.

    Not sure what word you were really reaching for with “meditation”, but it is unclear. Yes – it takes time and energy to burn a body, collect ashes, etc.

    With this thinnest of pretextes, they want to track us, test us, and chip us forevermore.

    I love this stuff, it’s such amusing fruitcake to have with my morning coffee!

  295. akmofo April 21, 2020 at 9:47 pm #

    It aint that complicated, Jelly. The playbook is very simple: More for them and less for the rest. And in many cases, the rest don’t even get to exist. Ironic how people end up switching teams when the point of the spear is pointing at them. Your turn will come too, Jelly.

  296. Majella April 21, 2020 at 9:57 pm #

    Yeah, it’s all crystal clear when view through tinfoil.

  297. akmofo April 21, 2020 at 10:15 pm #

    Yeah, it’s all crystal clear when view through tinfoil.
    ==

    Good that you have an unobstructed view of things. It must have served you well in life or whatever you want to call your pathetic existence.

  298. Janos Skorenzy April 21, 2020 at 10:26 pm #

    Carguile is now mixing my posts together to create confusion. His defeat is transparent and his desperation, palpable.

  299. Janos Skorenzy April 21, 2020 at 10:29 pm #

    Tinfoil does protect against many “rays”. People in the near future will be lining their hats with it – make my words or get the Mark of the Beast.

    They attacked just as 5g was rolling out. More coincidence?

  300. stelmosfire April 21, 2020 at 10:34 pm #

    Vlad, That’s John Roberts who walks in on the left. Fox reporter. White House beat. Here’s a twitter link’
    https://twitter.com/search?q=john%20roberts%20vaccinated&src=typeahead_click

  301. Majella April 21, 2020 at 11:10 pm #

    Tin Foil Hat protection from 5G?

    https://www.livescience.com/65959-5g-network.html

    “Although 5G may improve our day to day lives, some consumers have voiced concern about potential health hazards. Many of these concerns are over 5G’s use of the higher energy millimeter-wave radiation.

    “There’s often confusion between ionizing and non-ionizing radiation because the term radiation is used for both,” said Kenneth Foster, a professor of bioengineering at Pennsylvania State University. “All light is radiation because it is simply energy moving through space. It’s ionizing radiation that is dangerous because it can break chemical bonds.”

    Ionizing radiation is the reason we wear sunscreen outside because short-wavelength ultraviolet light from the sky has enough energy to knock electrons from their atoms, damaging skin cells and DNA. Millimeter waves, on the other hand, are non-ionizing because they have longer wavelengths and not enough energy to damage cells directly.

    “The only established hazard of non-ionizing radiation is too much heating,” Foster said, who has studied the health effects of radio waves for nearly 50 years. “At high exposure levels, radio frequency (RF) energy can indeed be hazardous, producing burns or other thermal damage, but these exposures are typically incurred only in occupational settings near high-powered radio frequency transmitters, or sometimes in medical procedures gone awry.”?i>

  302. Majella April 21, 2020 at 11:12 pm #

    Skorenzy, claiming some sort of ‘victory’…again. A legend in his own lunchtime.

    “Carguile is now mixing my posts together to create confusion. His defeat is transparent and his desperation, palpable.”

  303. Majella April 21, 2020 at 11:16 pm #

    akmofo:

    “Good that you have an unobstructed view of things. It must have served you well in life or whatever you want to call your pathetic existence.”

    Correct! Unlike you, I don’t have a view of life filled with magical thinking & fantastical bullshit, nor do I exist, as you do, in a pit of endless pointless fear and impotent rage. Have fun in the dark, dank dungeon of despair you have constructed for yourself, but do try to get out occasionally..!

  304. Cargill April 21, 2020 at 11:20 pm #

    The only established hazard of non-ionizing radiation is too much heating,” Foster said, who has studied the health effects of radio waves for nearly 50 years. “At high exposure levels, radio frequency (RF) energy can indeed be hazardous, producing burns or other thermal damage, but these exposures are typically incurred only in occupational settings near high-powered radio frequency transmitters, or sometimes in medical procedures gone awry.”?

    Yes I can attest to this personally – I worked in a TV Station for a while, and then a video production house for a few more years. A lot of effort was put into to ensuring the RF radiation was kept dispersed and not dangerous.

    We had a mishap in the electrics room of a broadcast studio once – you could “feel” it in your head … the alarms went off as the RF levels concentrated and became too high. We all ran out of the building as quickly as we could.

    And 5G won’t hurt you – half an hour in direct summer sunlight is far more dangerous – Australia (Queensland especially) is the skin-cancer capital of the world – we are a hot sunny place.

  305. Cargill April 21, 2020 at 11:24 pm #

    Correct! Unlike you, I don’t have a view of life filled with magical thinking & fantastical bullshit, nor do I exist, as you do, in a pit of endless pointless fear and impotent rage. Have fun in the dark, dank dungeon of despair you have constructed for yourself, but do try to get out occasionally..!

    Well put Majella … so many people on this forum are just so fucking unhappy!

  306. sunburstsoldier April 21, 2020 at 11:28 pm #

    “If there is ever a collapse of hyper-complex capitalism in the next few generations (not yet proven)…”

    How could such an event be ‘proven’ before it happens? Why the assumption of ‘next few generations’? What will keep the ball of wax together for that long? Just curious…

  307. akmofo April 21, 2020 at 11:46 pm #

    “Pointless fear”, Jelly? Is that the new motto, borg? “Resistance is futile” was too worn out? God, you’re pathetic! Can you even call yourself human, you little commie worm.

  308. Majella April 22, 2020 at 12:04 am #

    akmofo:

    ““Pointless fear”, Jelly? Is that the new motto, borg? “Resistance is futile” was too worn out? God, you’re pathetic! Can you even call yourself human, you little commie worm.

    Is that the best you can do? Just keep repeating the same old worn-out bullshit tropes? Who’s pathetic? What a laugh…

  309. sunburstsoldier April 22, 2020 at 12:08 am #

    “If there is ever a collapse of hyper-complex capitalism in the next few generations (not yet proven)…”

    When you say hyper-complex ‘capitalism’ you are ignoring those countries which are part of Western Civilization that exist under some form of socialism. These socialist countries are just as hyper-complex as capitalist countries…

  310. Majella April 22, 2020 at 1:00 am #

    Gee, isn’t it easy to tist stuff to fit an agenda:

    The Israeli CT Nutjob posted:

    “Anything that goes against WHO will be removed from YouTube

    YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki
    ==

    Signed,
    Vatican mafia

    However in the interest of advancing his insane worldview, he left out one word – quite a vital one though – ‘recommendations’

    “She Says ANYTHING that goes against WHO recommendations is a violation of policy and will be removed.

    Susan Wojcicki: “We talk about removing information that is problematic. Of course, anything that is medically unsubstantiated, people saying like “take vitamin C” um, um “take turmeric, it will cure you.” Those are the examples of things that would be a violation of our policy. Anything that would go against World Health Organization recommendations would be a violation of our policy. And so remove is another important part of our policy.”

    So, while the twisted misinformation post form akmofo leads the naive to believe that any CRITICISM of W.H.O is going to be ‘suppressed’, that’s not what’s happening. Youtube is taking the responsible step of shutting down the sort of bullshit akmofo is likely to post. That’s all.

  311. SoftStarLight April 22, 2020 at 1:09 am #

    Yep I did see that Majella. Thank you for the reminder. The Chamber of Commerce and the Fortune 500s will get their precious H1-B workers even with 43% of the workforce on furlough or unemployed. Even in a pandemic and the ensuing economic chaos these fiends are unwilling to hire Americans.

  312. elysianfield April 22, 2020 at 1:10 am #

    ““The crematorium of Bergamo, working at full capacity, 24 hours a day, can cremate 25 dead”, said a spokesperson for the local authority.

    “It is clear that it could not stand up to the numbers of the past few days.”

    JS: An interesting meditation is it not? It takes a lot of time and energy to burn a body. Only twenty five in twenty four hours? Wow.”

    Janos,
    THAT half-assed inefficiency is why Italy lost the war. Germans could burn 10,000 a day.

    Apparently.

  313. SoftStarLight April 22, 2020 at 1:14 am #

    Tucker actually made an interesting observation. He said the only thing that there is widespread consensus on in America is a need to reduce immigration drastically. Americans want this in overwhelming numbers. There is no other issue at all in which there is such broad agreement in this country.

  314. Cargill April 22, 2020 at 1:20 am #

    So, while the twisted misinformation post form akmofo leads the naive to believe that any CRITICISM of W.H.O is going to be ‘suppressed’, that’s not what’s happening. Youtube is taking the responsible step of shutting down the sort of bullshit akmofo is likely to post. That’s all.

    It would be nice if misinformation posted on here would be similarly deleted:

    “CFN Forum respects free speech, and welcomes robust debate on a variety of issues. However, for your convenience we will not allow fruitloop, RWNJ, off-the-planet conspiracy junk, nor endless evangelista twaddle. We thank you for your understanding in these challenging times”.

    Would be nice.

  315. SoftStarLight April 22, 2020 at 1:30 am #

    Oh Cargill, you need to grow up and learn to fight with the “bullies”. This constant call for protection from “unsafe” ideas is so twee.

  316. SoftStarLight April 22, 2020 at 2:37 am #

    I wonder if they (the important people) really have all been vaccinated. What other vaccines and viruses are lurking out there? Was this really just an obedience test? They could just be checking to see what loose ends to tie up before releasing the next phase. I guess we’ll find out one day possibly. Until then please do block out those rays. Silly people don’t realize we are antennas that can pick up all sorts of frequencies.

  317. Cargill April 22, 2020 at 2:39 am #

    Oh Cargill, you need to grow up and learn to fight with the “bullies”.

    Not here to fight comrade, but merely shine light in very dark corners, and to watch the cockroaches scuttle. All good fun during these long days of staying at home!

    And I don’t consider them bullies – I’ve had much tougher – just kids at the shallow end of the gene pool.

    And BTW – starting a post with “Oh” is the ultimate twee; didn’t your mum teach you that?

  318. Cargill April 22, 2020 at 2:41 am #

    I wonder if they (the important people) really have all been vaccinated. What other vaccines and viruses are lurking out there? Was this really just an obedience test?

    If so, why did they leave Our Boris out of the loop? I thought he was quite the buddy of the Orange Man.

  319. Cargill April 22, 2020 at 2:59 am #

    Tucker actually made an interesting observation. He said the only thing that there is widespread consensus on in America is a need to reduce immigration drastically. Americans want this in overwhelming numbers. There is no other issue at all in which there is such broad agreement in this country.

    Source for this? My reading of polls suggests that Americans have “stop immigration” not very high on their list of priorities. The whole country is a land of immigrants (apart from Native Americans) … surely you’re fairly used to it by now.

  320. Majella April 22, 2020 at 5:10 am #

    Cargill

    “Source for this?”

    It’s Tucker carlson, Cargill, FFS! His source is the interview he did with a mirror. No higher authority, is there?

    Actually, there have been rare occasions when I’ve found myself in agreement with Mr. Prep School but mostly, he just spouts the Fox Nightly Warped Opinion Brigade’s tired and predictable old tropes.

  321. Cargill April 22, 2020 at 5:29 am #

    It’s Tucker Carlson, Cargill, FFS!

    Lots of Australians (and Britons too) object to the fast-moving, slang-based lingo coming out of America.

    Apart from anything else, huge amounts come from the creative and innovative African-American community (who are almost universally far smarter than the plain vanilla dullards).

    And I do like the “trust-fund kid” description applied to Tucker Carlson, and lots of others who spout venom and BD, and have never once in their life checked their huge white privilege. I can’t believe they sleep well at night.

    I find Tucker’s cross-eyed look when he’s putting on his “serious listening face” particularly odd – and particularly hilarious. Someone should tell him.

  322. Nightowl April 22, 2020 at 5:38 am #

    ” Joe Biden is old but is still pretty tough and fit.”

    —————————————————————————-

    This is even funnier than your nutbar claims about the coming White Ethnostate, or Trump’s “crimes” in office.

    Cargill is fast becoming the new unhinged Conspiracy King of CFN.

  323. Cargill April 22, 2020 at 5:57 am #

    I’ll wager you $US100 had Joe Biden will get more votes than Trump in the General Election, and a further $US100 bthat he outlives Trump.

  324. Nightowl April 22, 2020 at 6:12 am #

    Cargill from Media Matters only places bets in dollars. Because he is Australian.

    Snort.

  325. Majella April 22, 2020 at 6:13 am #

    “Snort”. What a tool.

  326. Cargill April 22, 2020 at 6:22 am #

    Cargill from Media Matters only places bets in dollars. Because he is Australian.Snort.

    I know our American cousins (especially Trump’s basket of deplorables – which means most Seppos on here) are as thick as pig dribble, so I make certain allowances, since I know they can’t convert anything. So I use USD, miles, acres, pounds, and ounces … and other ancient ridicule … just so they can keep up.

  327. Cargill April 22, 2020 at 6:23 am #

    I must check out this Media Matters … sounds quite delightful!

  328. Pucker April 22, 2020 at 7:14 am #

    Most people think linearly rather than exponentially, so they tend to be hopelessly unprepared for exponential changes.

    I wonder if the Covid 19 virus can mutate exponentially such that suddenly we could go from, for example, 10 different versions of the virus to hundreds of thousands of different mutated versions in just a few weeks? The 1918 Spanish Flu book says that dominant strains of flu viruses naturally displace less dominant versions. But if so, why are we seeing more strains of the Covid 19 virus rather than fewer strains? You may have to “circle” with an answer after thinking about it and masturbating?

    “A new study in China has found that the novel coronavirus has mutated into at least 30 different variations.
    The results showed that medical officials have vastly underestimated the overall ability of the virus to mutate, in findings that different strains have affected different parts of the world, leading to potential difficulties in finding an overall cure. The study was carried out by Professor Li Lanjuan and colleagues from Zhejiang University in Hangzhou, China and published in a non-peer reviewed paper released on website medRxiv.org on Sunday.

    https://m.jpost.com/HEALTH-SCIENCE/Coronavirus-has-mutated-into-at-least-30-different-strains-new-study-finds-625333

    Li ‘s team infected cells with COVID-19 strains carrying different mutations, of which the most aggressive strains were found to generate as much as 270 times as much viral load as the weakest strains. The aggressive strains also killed the human cells the fastest.”

  329. BackRowHeckler April 22, 2020 at 7:34 am #

    Good News!!!!

    Elective surgery — including gender reassignment surgery — to resume in NYState. I sense things are getting back to normal, folks.

    The question has come up: are unincorporated Street Gangs in ‘da hood’ eligible for small business loans, or better yet small business grants? After all they’ve taken a hit too. Business is down. Profits are down. I see some advocates are complaining about the Hartford PD busting up that Hispanic gang dealing in fentanyl and stolen hand guns last weekend, accusing them of ‘targeting our most vulnerable citizens in times of trouble’, except apparently they aren’t citizens. No matter. The demand is these esteemed migrants from a vulnerable community be released immediately.

    And I won’t be surprised if indeed they are ‘released immediately’.

    Brh

  330. Pucker April 22, 2020 at 7:39 am #

    How do you CFNers explain Exponential Growth to black people, particularly young black high school cheerleaders?

  331. BackRowHeckler April 22, 2020 at 8:04 am #

    It seems like the CLIMATE is headed in the wrong direction, at least around these parts. Here we are almost May, yesterday hail at the coast, snow in the NW hills, a heavy frost this morning in this valley. What gives? How are lefties going to score political points out of this, convince the public to get rid of their F250s, buy $60,000 EVs, and hook up their utilities to windmills and solar panels? It’s a problem.

    Let’s all join together and fight this ‘Climate Emergency!’

    Happy Eath Day, CFNers!

    Brh

  332. stelmosfire April 22, 2020 at 8:11 am #

    My fuel oil supplier is having a sale, No. 2 at $1.19/gal. I figure they are selling at a loss to empty their tanks so that they can fill them with .75 cent a gal oil. to sell next winter for 3 or 4 bucks a gallon.

  333. stelmosfire April 22, 2020 at 8:16 am #

    Looking at the 115 gold/ silver ratio I noticed other times it hit outrageous highs. April 1915, Nov. 1941, Dec. 1991. Seems to me we got in to some kick ass wars around these dates.

  334. stelmosfire April 22, 2020 at 8:27 am #

    “CDC Director Says There May Be Another Coronavirus Wave in Late Fall and a ‘Substantial Portion of Americans’ Will Be Susceptible

    Hopefully, we’ll aggressively re-embrace some of the mitigation strategies, he says.”

    We’re gettin’ set up already! BOO

    https://www.newsweek.com/cdc-director-coronavirus-wave-late-fall-substantial-portion-americans-will-susceptible-1495401

  335. stelmosfire April 22, 2020 at 8:43 am #

    Most interesting thing about this graphic are the breakeven figures. Saudi Arabia $85 bucks. Wow! Somebody is losing a shit ton of money. On the other hand somebody must be making some serious cash.
    https://www.visualcapitalist.com/subzero-oil-price-crash-covid-19/

  336. BackRowHeckler April 22, 2020 at 8:45 am #

    Or should I say:

    HAPPY EARTH DAY!!!!

  337. Pucker April 22, 2020 at 8:46 am #

    The bloke says that in the next 5 years we’ll basically experience 100 years of technological advancement and human labor will largely become obsolete.

    Start listening at 20:00

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XyeyglQSqCc&t=2938s

  338. BackRowHeckler April 22, 2020 at 8:50 am #

    Ask yourself

    “What am I doing to fight the Climate Emergency?”

    This should be a day of grave self reflection, bitter self recrimination, and penance, CFNers.

    Brh

  339. akmofo April 22, 2020 at 9:33 am #

    Is that the best you can do? Just keep repeating the same old worn-out bullshit tropes?
    ==

    They fit youz just perfectly. All 1001 commie worm versions of youz. JHK banned you for a reason. I don’t even believe you’re Anglo. I think you’re a Chinese gov troll. You are all too fluent in their Corona virus propaganda. So yeah, your days of eliciting a response from me are over.

  340. stelmosfire April 22, 2020 at 9:41 am #

    3rd week in April. Snow squall blowing through right now, Temps in the 20’s tonight. Some of the fruit trees in full bloom. I guess they probably won’t have set any fruit this year.

  341. benr April 22, 2020 at 10:15 am #

    @majella

    5G is bad news it’s frequency is between between 24 to 90 gigahertz.
    Just as an aside I worked on a radar system in the Navy and one of the most important tests was to make sure the waveguide was not leaking.
    One mw of output at any of the flanges was grounds for immediate power off and report to the skipper.
    Why because people had vastly increased cancer rates when exposed to this RF and that was in the megahertz rage.

    That’s not tin foil hat that is simply experience you remind me of all the people that decided radiation was ok to expose people to until they decided it was not.

    They used to put cell towers on top of apartment buildings and guess what that also increased peoples cancers rates that lived close to them.

  342. BackRowHeckler April 22, 2020 at 10:17 am #

    Westport, Ct police announce the deployment of a ‘Covid-19 Drone’, which they claim can measure people’s body temp from 150′ overhead, will be looking at anybody sneezing, coughing, or not observing 6′ mandatory social distancing orders. The Westport PD Chief says don’t worry we will not be looking into bedroom windows or backyards, yet.

    Brh

  343. benr April 22, 2020 at 10:18 am #

    that should have been one milliwatt by the way an amount of detectable rf.
    Put this in your cap and smoke it.
    Meanwhile, the total power emitted from the cell phone itself ranges from 0.75 to 1 watt. According to the FCC (Federal Communications Commission), this is an acceptably safe amount of power for a cell phone since their cut-off or specific absorption rate is only 1.6 watts per kilogram (W/kg)

  344. benr April 22, 2020 at 10:25 am #

    @stelmosfire
    April 22, 2020 at 9:41 am #
    3rd week in April. Snow squall blowing through right now, Temps in the 20’s tonight. Some of the fruit trees in full bloom. I guess they probably won’t have set any fruit this year.

    It snowed over 6 inches in the local mountains 4-10-2020 there was enough that I got to play in it with the wife and the dog on sunday 4-12-2020 and this was only at 5000 feet.

  345. BackRowHeckler April 22, 2020 at 10:55 am #

    RIP

    Astute observation about precious metals.

    Gold topping $1725, Silver barely over $15.

    And today the President gave the order to sink all aggressive Iranian patrol boats in the Persian Gulf.

    I surmised that silver hasn’t moved that much because it has many industrial uses, and there isn’t industry right now like there once was. I could be wrong, and probably am.

    Brh

  346. SoftStarLight April 22, 2020 at 10:56 am #

    That was a really interesting video Pucker. It makes me wonder if this whole virus thing was really a ruse in some ways to make these major economic shifts occur really really quick. More automation and more government control over everything.

  347. SoftStarLight April 22, 2020 at 10:59 am #

    I heard that 5G can affect the immune system. Wuhan, China was supposedly one of the first cities to go all 5G.

  348. SoftStarLight April 22, 2020 at 11:02 am #

    I also heard that the Northern Hemisphere’s current snow cover total is at a record high . Greenland just added like five new gigatons of snow and ice in just the past few days. The current ice cover is above the previous 20 year average or something like that. And meanwhile, Autumn is setting in the Southern Hemisphere and temperatures are already getting to like -90F in Antarctica.

  349. malthuss April 22, 2020 at 11:28 am #

    I surmised that silver hasn’t moved that much because it has many industrial uses, and there isn’t industry right now like there once was. I could be wrong, and probably am.

    JHK has mentioned the Comex and dumping of contracts in the wee hours.
    My take is Silver is 20-24 dollars an ounce at metal shops.
    There was a good site, ‘Did the system collapse’ but it seems to have been compromised.

  350. CancelMyCard April 22, 2020 at 11:36 am #

    “The bloke says that in the next 5 years we’ll basically experience 100 years of technological advancement and human labor will largely become obsolete.”

    Until you need . . .

    a mechanic,
    or a surgeon,
    or a plumber,
    or a barber,
    or a bricklayer,
    or a priest,
    or a nurse,
    or a house cleaner,
    or a piano teacher,
    or a firefighter,
    or a daycare worker,
    or an electrician,
    or a seed supplier,
    or an HVAC installer,
    or a carpenter,
    or a chef,
    or a dog trainer,

    . . . or a writer.

    I know he said “largely”, but you could make your own list
    a half-mile long.

    Human labor will become obsolete when humans cease to exist.

  351. JohnAZ April 22, 2020 at 11:45 am #

    Uh oh.

    Another thing for fellow conspiracists to discuss.

    CDC Director Redfield has told us all that the re-emergence of 19 this fall will be worse than now because of the flu.

    C’mon. If this is not obvious fear mongering and aimed at The opening up of the economy this summer. All the long term health bureaucrats are talking the same talk, you cannot open the economy and now it is stretching until fall.

    The “scientists” cannot even tell us what is going to happen next week without loading it up with dire predictions. And no, we cannot close down the country to avoid a .1 to .4% mortality rate, let alone a 4%. And yes the latest studies are showing that the real mortality rate is .1 to .4%.

    How to destroy Trump’s re-election chances? Remove the economy as an issue. If the very obvious manipulating by the National Deep State medical community is successful at shutting down the economy and forcing the lemmings to stay at home, the Left will have won total control of this country without much of a fight.

  352. xxzzy999 April 22, 2020 at 11:51 am #

    The DNC fix is in, Hillary will be the nominee and is the Democrat’s best candidate to run in 2020, no matter how normal Americans and Republicans despise her. She has enormous power in the party and has the largest base of voters, significant funding, and she still owns the DNC. It will be Trump vs. Cankles 2.0 my friends.

  353. Janos Skorenzy April 22, 2020 at 12:00 pm #

    Yes, we may get our desperately needed UBI, but at too high a cost. It wasn’t supposed to be about the ruin of all small and medium size business and the destruction of the middle class. Fuck these bastards.

  354. Janos Skorenzy April 22, 2020 at 12:03 pm #

    I can’t believe Ely brought up the Holocaust when I simply alluded to Bergamo’s crematoria gap. As he said: German efficiency. They must have had thousands of crematoria everywhere, in every town and village, going all the time. The only alternative is that it didn’t happen – and that is unthinkable.

  355. JohnAZ April 22, 2020 at 12:05 pm #

    Climate change.

    Bottom line is that we just do not know what is going to happen in the future. For every iceberg that erupts from Antarctica there is a hard freeze or increased snow cover in the North. Are increased wind speeds, very obvious, and more intense storm centers coming from increased heating of the tropics? IMHO, yes. But—

    Does the increased mixing of the three zones of the atmosphere’s latitudes cause bigger storms, deeper incursions of the polar vortex, in an attempt by Gaia to blow off the heat by neutralization by polar cold?

    The real threat is the loss of the polar cold by melting the polar caps. If we lose the ability to blow off heat, does the planet run away temp wise? It has done it before. It has also frozen solid before too.

    Trying to make huge global decisions based on the minute amounts of data available is the work of globalists whose primary motivation is global control by one group.

    One thing we definitely do not know, what other things have affected the earth in its past to freeze it and then turn it into a hot box. CO2 definitely does not explain everything.

  356. Janos Skorenzy April 22, 2020 at 12:07 pm #

    5G turns on, mutating the humble Corvid19 into a thousand new species. We’ll never stop it because like Proteus, it will keep changing form. The Andromeda Strain!

    The marines showed up at the doc’s house. A Party was going on. The wife answered and they said, Maam, is the Doc home? She demurred. They said, Maam, if you don’t go get him, we’re going to go in and fetch him.

    This was back in the good ol’ days when America was White and Men were Men., and Marines were Marines and also Men.

    Women love being called Maam.

  357. Janos Skorenzy April 22, 2020 at 12:11 pm #

    Yeah what’s the point of opening up is where just going have to close up again in the Fall?. We must be closed for November because that’s when the election is. We must vote by “internet”! The Computers want your vote. They yearn for you, to become you, to not elect Donald J Trump.

  358. elysianfield April 22, 2020 at 12:11 pm #

    “How do you CFNers explain Exponential Growth to black people, particularly young black high school cheerleaders?”

    Puck,
    Easy Peasey.

    Word. DeShawn caps five of his baby mommas. Each baby mama had one female fetus. Each female fetus would eventually have another five female fetus. The five baby momma become 25 baby mommas…the 25 become 125, then 625, and so on.

    Sooo, in just a few generations, DeShawn lose, at $600 per, a potential loss of serious paper.

    Expo
    Natal!

  359. Mountain gal April 22, 2020 at 12:14 pm #

    Couple of interesting things in the news. Chinese researchers have discovered at least 31 mutations of this virus. Some, such as the ones that have hit Europe and NYC appear to be way more virulent. The idea that we’ll have a vaccine soon is slim to none. And the malaria meds appear to be a dud. Also, wonder how if there’s any way that the virus could be nudged towards the milder versions?

    Re: the weather, we’re snow covered but good. The snow was still melting and we’ve got it all back again in spades. Probably 1600 ft in elevation. What ever happened to global warming? Maybe we really do have another ice age coming? What fun! The virus, a global depression, the destruction of the oil market, a big hurricane season and an ice age! Think I’ll go stock up on some more dark chocolate!

  360. GreenAlba April 22, 2020 at 12:20 pm #

    “The snow was still melting and we’ve got it all back again in spades. Probably 1600 ft in elevation. What ever happened to global warming?”

    Goodness knows!! Or maybe … maybe … maybe … (whisper it softly, it’s controversial) … a tiny bit of America … isn’t … The World.

    Nah, couldn’t be that. Shirley Nott.

  361. BackRowHeckler April 22, 2020 at 12:29 pm #

    “America isn’t the world”-GA

    No, not the entire World

    But the part of the world that counts the most

    The Essential Country, the last best hope, the Main Chance … many ways to say it …

    Why else would posters from Australia, New Zealand, and Scotland spend so much time on this blog?

    Brh

  362. Mountain gal April 22, 2020 at 12:32 pm #

    @ Green Alba

    It’s MY piece of the world and it counts the most for ME! Get it? And as it’s almost May, everyone here is wondering what on earth is going on.

    Why are you so you know what anyway?

    I’m leaving,. Have fun. No point coming to this comment section.

  363. elysianfield April 22, 2020 at 12:41 pm #

    “I can’t believe Ely brought up the Holocaust when I simply alluded to Bergamo’s crematoria gap. As he said: German efficiency. They must have had thousands of crematoria everywhere, in every town and village, going all the time. The only alternative is that it didn’t happen – and that is unthinkable.”

    Janos,
    Your conclusion is incorrect. I read that the technology was then developed that would use the fat from the body of the deceased to aid the process of consumption. Even during the war, and despite every effort of the “Mighty 8th” to destroy their infrastructure, the Germans waxed fat…German soldiers constantly scolded for over eating…A dozen million Hermann Meyers! A nation of fatties. Even the Russian prisoners of war gained weight. It was a time of plenty.

  364. GreenAlba April 22, 2020 at 12:44 pm #

    “It’s MY piece of the world and it counts the most for ME! Get it? ”

    Totally get it. But I’m glad you see it’s nothing to do with GLOBAL warming. 🙂 So we can all have fun.

  365. GreenAlba April 22, 2020 at 12:45 pm #

    But take your ball home if you want to, obviously.

  366. GreenAlba April 22, 2020 at 12:51 pm #

    “Why else would posters from Australia, New Zealand, and Scotland spend so much time on this blog?”

    Generally because they’ve read its author’s books and happened to find their way here? But I’ve nothing against your country just the same, and wish it well. Particularly you little corner of ‘Orange (and Vodka) County, Connecticut.

  367. BackRowHeckler April 22, 2020 at 12:51 pm #

    New Michael Moore film “Planet of the Humans”

    Haven’t seen it, read several reviews.

    In it, apparently, and probably regrettably, he reveals what a scam ‘renewable energy’ is, that it is delusional to assert renewables can power up the US, and the many claims of the efficacy of windmills and solar panels are nothing but a lie propagated to buck up the portfolios of alt energy investors like Al Gore and Bill McKibben.

    Pretty much what I’ve suspected all along.

    The reviews say Moore advocates a less consumerist civilization. But I’ve read Moore himself has a pretty swanky penthouse on 5th avenue, and a nice lakeside summer home in Michigan. Whether he spends part of his summer on the Vineyard (where, incidentally, some of my mother’s family lived back in the day) I do not know.

    Brh

  368. SoftStarLight April 22, 2020 at 12:52 pm #

    I feel like I’m really suffering because of the inability to reply. I teared up about it a few times. But I guess I get pretty emotional anyway sometimes. Mountain gal don’t let Alba get you down and run you away from here. When I really get down about all the mean girls in my life who always have something to say I simply repeat to myself “I never let stupid bitches get me down”. And before you fly off the handle Alba that is not what I am calling you. But Mountain gal may feel differently in this moment. You don’t know everything.

  369. GreenAlba April 22, 2020 at 12:53 pm #

    I’m glad you at least have a sense of humour, brh. Seems to be lacking in some areas. Might be the thin air…

  370. GreenAlba April 22, 2020 at 12:54 pm #

    SSL

    I like Mountain Gal, from her posts. If someone takes the content of my post above seriously, then I can only suppose they were having a very bad day anyway. When I think of the shit I’ve endured on here…

  371. Majella April 22, 2020 at 12:55 pm #

    Akmofo

    ’ Is that the best you can do? Just keep repeating the same old worn-out bullshit tropes?
    ==

    They fit youz just perfectly. All 1001 commie worm versions of youz. JHK banned you for a reason. I don’t even believe you’re Anglo. I think you’re a Chinese gov troll. You are all too fluent in their Corona virus propaganda. So yeah, your days of eliciting a response from me are over.’

    Ah! No! Abject failure!!! You’re not supposed to start ignoring me! My CCP Coordinator will be so unhappy!

    Our Unit (Shenzhen 19) has been focused exclusively on you, akmofo, because you know all the secrets of the Global Elite and spend all your time EXPOSING them!

    This is unacceptable. Other measures will have to be taken, so, as they say in your American drama movies, ‘watch your back’.

  372. GreenAlba April 22, 2020 at 1:00 pm #

    brh

    ” it is delusional to assert renewables can power up the US”

    I believe that too. It’s not even controversial, to my mind. They have their place, though. Even JohnAZ agrees with that.

  373. akmofo April 22, 2020 at 1:04 pm #

    ..the Germans waxed fat…German soldiers constantly scolded for over eating..
    ==

    Speaking of fat Germans, Ely, did you hear that the supreme leader ‘Rocket Man’ Kim Jong Un is in the hospital with a coronary? Apparently from overeating too many little Koreans.

  374. GreenAlba April 22, 2020 at 1:06 pm #

    “And before you fly off the handle Alba that is not what I am calling you.”

    Of course not, SSL. As if… 🙂

    Seriously, read my post again. Even you wouldn’t have taken it seriously. It was no more serious than the one it responded to. But it appears comments must only lean in one direction. It’s as well that we know that, those of us who mistakenly thought you guys believed in free expression.

  375. akmofo April 22, 2020 at 1:10 pm #

    little corner of ‘Orange (and Vodka) County, Connecticut
    ==

    Actually, it’s been crowned the apizza capital of the world:
    https://youtu.be/lGKGiThvEj0

  376. Janos Skorenzy April 22, 2020 at 1:10 pm #

    Maxwell Smart and other agents strove against an evil organization called CHAOS that was trying to take over the World. Our struggle is against WHO. I need a female sidekick who can rock a leather catsuit. Max’s Girl Friday was Agent 99. He called her 99.

    By the process of Rosicrucian addition, 99=9+9=18
    Repeat: 18=1+8=9 – the highest number, 10 merely beginning a new cycle: 10=1+0=1.

    Thus 99 is the highest of all, but hidden as secret agent must be.

  377. benr April 22, 2020 at 1:12 pm #

    @Majella
    April 22, 2020 at 12:55 pm #

    Akmofo
    ’ Is that the best you can do? Just keep repeating the same old worn-out bullshit tropes?
    ==
    They fit youz just perfectly. All 1001 commie worm versions of youz. JHK banned you for a reason. I don’t even believe you’re Anglo. I think you’re a Chinese gov troll. You are all too fluent in their Corona virus propaganda. So yeah, your days of eliciting a response from me are over.’
    Ah! No! Abject failure!!! You’re not supposed to start ignoring me! My CCP Coordinator will be so unhappy!
    Our Unit (Shenzhen 19) has been focused exclusively on you, akmofo, because you know all the secrets of the Global Elite and spend all your time EXPOSING them!
    This is unacceptable. Other measures will have to be taken, so, as they say in your American drama movies, ‘watch your back’.

    Another one from the gone to far scenario.

    You two might want to either get a room or start ignoring each other as the watch your back comment borders on an internet threat.
    Majella take a break and give it a rest and that goes double for akmofo let it go.

  378. sunburstsoldier April 22, 2020 at 1:19 pm #

    I wonder what would happen if we lost the grid in the midst of this pandemic?

  379. Janos Skorenzy April 22, 2020 at 1:19 pm #

    Things look bad, but the Spring will come and the Garden will bloom again someday. Just not this year or next. All the dead bodies will wonderfully fertilize the soil. And the lack of industry and people will give Nature a chance to recover. Meanwhile the Elite will be holed up, partying and preparing for their triumphant reentry. We must be ready for them, wading out into the surf to cut them down as did the Samurai to the invading Mongols.

  380. GreenAlba April 22, 2020 at 1:20 pm #

    Thank you, akmofo. Another concept has been added to my food vocabulary – still reading on soundless apparatus, I had to look up ‘apizza’, but now I know. I have to say I have seen more appetising-looking pizzas, though, than the one in your clip. Why is it soggy and flapping about? There’s a Neapolitan family restaurant 20 minutes’ walk from me that does the best Italian food in Edinburgh – across the road they do the best ‘proper’ pizzas you’ll find in Edinburgh too. But tastes are different, so I’m not judging… We are spoiled, though, I’ll admit to that.

  381. Majella April 22, 2020 at 1:21 pm #

    Benr, the Voice of Reason. Who’d have thunk it?

  382. Janos Skorenzy April 22, 2020 at 1:21 pm #

    Sun: Is the blog fixed? This is a test question. There are no right answers or wrong answers. Actually there are a number of both. Not to answer is to answer….and it is one of the bad answers.

  383. Janos Skorenzy April 22, 2020 at 1:24 pm #

    Ely: Yes, the real reason for WW2. The Germs were trying to destroy us with pastry, chocolate, beer, and strudel. Make us too fat to walk or work or fight!

  384. SoftStarLight April 22, 2020 at 1:24 pm #

    Well see that is the thing. I have no issue with you being able to say anything you want. Of course this is Mr. K’s domain so that doesn’t necessarily matter. But the point is that I have no issues with free expression though I know you think I do. But I guess that means people are free to feel how they feel about what you say and may respond in ways you didn’t want. I think there is a lot of joking and fun stuff going on here but pretty much we always seem to talk about serious subjects even if we are laughing and joking.

  385. GreenAlba April 22, 2020 at 1:30 pm #

    Sunburst

    “I wonder what would happen if we lost the grid in the midst of this pandemic?”

    Well, all the ventilators would stop ventilating, just for a start. 🙂

    You might be interested in a concept I heard the other day for the first time – mortality salience.

    It’s when people are, for whatever reason (e.g. a pandemic) made aware of their mortality in a way that they can normally ignore or pay less attention to.

    In this case, the concept was fleetingly mentioned in relation to current surveys of consumers. It seems that ‘mortality salience’ is presumed to have affected consumer choices, in that a full 65% of the people surveyed (in the UK) claimed that the experience of the pandemic and its associated lockdown has not only made them change their view of the goods and services they previously considered ‘important’, but also that they expect that change of mind to continue after the pandemic is over.

    It may not last, of course, but it’s interesting.

  386. GreenAlba April 22, 2020 at 1:30 pm #

    Sorry, only your comment was meant to be in italics, obviously.

  387. Janos Skorenzy April 22, 2020 at 1:30 pm #

    Moore is insufferable. At one Conference, he took out a room in a rinky dink little motel so he could be interviewed by the journalists there, while actually staying a five star hotel near the Conference.

    He may actually live in Flint, but if so, it is the best part of the City I’ll warrant.

  388. GreenAlba April 22, 2020 at 1:34 pm #

    “But I guess that means people are free to feel how they feel about what you say ”

    Of course, and I am free to wonder what they could possibly find to be offended about in such an innocuous post. I think Mountain Gal would obviously curl up and die if she had to listen to some of the stuff I’ve had directed at me. Thankfully it’s made my skin thicker.

  389. SoftStarLight April 22, 2020 at 1:36 pm #

    No.

  390. akmofo April 22, 2020 at 1:37 pm #

    They can make that dairy poison oh so tempting to eat. Even now I have an old yearning for it. Thank god, we have such a huge variety of Indian Thai Chinese Korean Japanese and even Jamaican rasta food to choose from:

    https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/tel-aviv-crowned-worlds-vegan-capital

  391. SoftStarLight April 22, 2020 at 1:39 pm #

    I understand that Alba. I have seen it before. But you know how sometimes you are feeling serious and so you have an expectation of receiving a more serious response when you put something out there. So hey, maybe something is not right about that expectation. But that may be what’s going on. Situational and just within the context. On another day you may have received some sort of snarky joke back or something who knows.

  392. GreenAlba April 22, 2020 at 1:45 pm #

    SSL

    This is silly. If someone says ‘it’s cold here and it’s April’ – I wonder what happened to global warming’, most people would think that was not a serious comment on climate change, and that it might attract a not-serious response.

    In fact the only reason that I responded to MG and not to brh is that brh and I seem to have an ongoing, good-natured bantering situation going in terms of AGW and, although he’d made similar comments upthread, MG’s comment just seemed to lend itself to a response AND it happened to be at the end of a series of such comments.

    Next time, I’ll stick to responding to brh. He’s not made of porcelain and can take a joke the same as he gives them out.

  393. sunburstsoldier April 22, 2020 at 1:51 pm #

    Now seems like a good time to start up ‘intentional communities’ in rural areas with the goal of attaining total independence from the grid. These communities could become the seed bed for new sustainable towns and villages which derive their energy from renewable sources…

    It’s gonna happen sooner or later, why not get ahead of the curve?

  394. sunburstsoldier April 22, 2020 at 1:53 pm #

    Or hook up with the Mennonites or the Amish…

  395. sunburstsoldier April 22, 2020 at 1:55 pm #

    They are hooked up to the grid but not absolutely dependent on it…

  396. GreenAlba April 22, 2020 at 2:01 pm #

    “They can make that dairy poison oh so tempting to eat. ”

    Roquefort remains the king of dairy poisons. Yum…

    Awful place, though. Dank. That’s why their dairy poison is so delicious.

  397. Janos Skorenzy April 22, 2020 at 2:03 pm #

    Pelosi was on Late Night TV showing off her two deluxe freezers full of Ice Cream. Let the Pissants eat cake!

  398. Janos Skorenzy April 22, 2020 at 2:08 pm #

    On Inauguration Day, Melania brought a gift for Michelle Obama as per the custom. Michelle gave her her best “what the fuck is this” look as per her custom. The lines thereof are etched on her face. So utterly graceless and infinitely common.

    Yet Michelle expressed high dudgeon on a talk show when the hostess asked if Melania had ever called her up to ask her for advice about how to decorate or about First Lady protocol. She said, No, while shaking her head in contemptuous amazement. As for the first, Melania worked in design and has no need for such help. As for the second, Melania was born with more knowledge of how to behave with the better classes of people than Michelle will ever have.

  399. sunburstsoldier April 22, 2020 at 2:13 pm #

    It would be nice if Elon Musk would forget about colonizing Mars for awhile and focus on finding more sustainable ways to colonize this planet. As for instance buying parcels of rural land and providing seed money for self-sufficient towns and villages which can thrive apart from the grid. Obviously at some point urban centers will have to decentralize and urban populations will have to relocate to the countryside…

  400. GreenAlba April 22, 2020 at 2:19 pm #

    “Melania was born with more knowledge of how to behave with the better classes of people than Michelle will ever have.”

    You mean like having affairs with their husbands and then marrying them? Yeah, she’s very knowledgeable, I’ll grant you that. But when you want to insinuate yourself into those ‘better classes’ of people, you need to learn the tricks. She’s a quick learner – and it’s paid off.

  401. Janos Skorenzy April 22, 2020 at 2:19 pm #

    You still have freedom of speech in Britain. You just have to speak the Truth or “Pravda” as it is called in Russia. Saying things or posting things like “Pubs closed, Borders open” is like crying fire in a packed theater. Isn’t such a thing akin to murder? Don’t such sods deserve long imprisonments or worse – perhaps being dragged to death as Cargill offered for executives?

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/two-british-men-arrested-posting-pubs-closed-borders-open-stickers

  402. Janos Skorenzy April 22, 2020 at 2:22 pm #

    Western Rifle Shooters:

    Marshall McLuhan stated that, World War Three when it comes, will be “a guerrilla information war with no division between military and civilian participation”—a war waged in cyberspace, not on a defined battlefield.
    Here, an online political propaganda action group known as the “Hundred Handers” is using very short, punchy messages to get the point across.
    It is this propagation of message that gains visibility and molds public perception. This is a useful path forward in pushing an agenda under the current conditions Americans find themselves in.

    JS: All hail the rise of the Hundred Handers!

  403. GreenAlba April 22, 2020 at 2:23 pm #

    “Isn’t such a thing akin to murder? ”

    Only in your fevered imagination. Which currently seems more fevered than usual. Perhaps you should get a Covid test?

  404. sunburstsoldier April 22, 2020 at 2:30 pm #

    In a sustainable world most of us would live almost entirely underground. Underground homes would use less building materials in their construction, while less energy would be needed for heating and cooling them…

  405. Janos Skorenzy April 22, 2020 at 2:39 pm #

    JS: The Government helped Corporations loot the program meant for small business relief. Not mentioned here, but noble Harvard University also got in with both hands, to the tune of tens of millions. America is hopelessly corrupt. Only a reset (coup or martial law) can save it. Whether it deserves to be saved or if what comes afterwards would be any better are both open and important questions.

    CNBC

    Hundreds of millions of dollars of Paycheck Protection Program emergency funding has been claimed by large, publicly traded companies, new research published by Morgan Stanley shows.

    In fact, the U.S. government has allocated at least $243.4 million of the total $349 billion to publicly traded companies, the firm said.

    The PPP was designed to help the nation’s smallest, mom-and-pop shops keep employees on payroll and prevent mass layoffs across the country amid the coronavirus pandemic.

    But the research shows that several of the companies that have received aid have market values well in excess of $100 million, including DMC Global ($405 million), Wave Life Sciences ($286 million) and Fiesta Restaurant Group ($189 million). Fiesta, which employs more than 10,000 people, according to its last reported annual number, received a PPP loan of $10 million, Morgan Stanley’s data showed.

    At least 75 companies that have received the aid were publicly traded and received a combined $300 million in low-interest, taxpayer-backed loans, according to a separate report published by The Associated Press.

    JS: Trump asked Harvard to give their loot back saying, If they don’t, we’ll do something else. Well I can’t imagine what, but at least he’s embarrassed the corrupt fuckers. Good on him for giving them “honorable” mention. I mean they’re supposed to be about higher things, right?

  406. Janos Skorenzy April 22, 2020 at 2:41 pm #

    Sun: Yes, remember Bilbo’s home in LOTR? How lovely and homey. On a South facing hill, windows on the South side.

    What sayest you about the new or damaged blog? Like it?

  407. Janos Skorenzy April 22, 2020 at 2:43 pm #

    Alba: What sayest you about Cargill’s fantasy?

    And why didn’t you say anything about it heretofore?

  408. GreenAlba April 22, 2020 at 2:53 pm #

    I don’t know what Cargill’s fantasy is. And I didn’t know I was supposed to comment on everything. I’m trying to comment less – on everything.

  409. stelmosfire April 22, 2020 at 2:58 pm #

    I wonder what would happen if we lost the grid in the midst of this pandemic?

    My guess is that the lights would go out? Just sayin’

  410. Q. Shtik April 22, 2020 at 3:02 pm #

    Thus would we Harness greed and materialism for the good of the Folk.

    Capitalists …. They are scum. There is no defending them or their system. They are always to be watched and scorned to their face. Guilty until the(y) prove themselves innocent is the way to go. – Janos

    ===========

    This is Janos at his most annoying. Especially his use of the word ‘we’. He sees himself as part of the elite shot-callers – those who would determine acceptable behavior. And who is to watch over the shot-callers? Janos himself?

  411. stelmosfire April 22, 2020 at 3:11 pm #

    You mean like having affairs with their husbands and then marrying them?

    What kind of dig is that supposed to be? Donald and Melania met while he was in the process of divorcing Maples. They married 6 years later.

  412. stelmosfire April 22, 2020 at 3:17 pm #

    SBS’ Underground homes would use less building materials in their construction, while less energy would be needed for heating and cooling them…
    I’ve got a bunch of books on earth sheltered building techniques. I always wanted to build one. The problem is that most towns will not let you build one. Not up to code you see.

  413. GreenAlba April 22, 2020 at 3:17 pm #

    You’re right – he was still married when the they started dating, but ‘in process’ as you say.

  414. elysianfield April 22, 2020 at 3:18 pm #

    “Ely: Yes, the real reason for WW2. The Germs were trying to destroy us with pastry, chocolate, beer, and strudel. Make us too fat to walk or work or fight!”

    Janos,
    Well, considering our overweight demographic, they lost the battle, but they won the war! Deutschland Uber Weight!! Can’t Seig when you’re a pig!!

    Reminds me of Usama Bin Laden…we got him, but he GOT us. He gave us a gift that keeps on giving…and he told us exactly how it would happen.

    Mofo,
    Regarding the leader of Best Korea…the Norks are known for their high fat, high sugar diets.

  415. GreenAlba April 22, 2020 at 3:25 pm #

    Looks like the next thing that’s going to fly off the online shelves is nicotine patches for non-smokers.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/22/french-study-suggests-smokers-at-lower-risk-of-getting-coronavirus

    I just took a look – goodness they’re expensive. Not for the hoi polloi, unless prescribed in a Covid ward…

  416. JohnAZ April 22, 2020 at 3:28 pm #

    GA

    Renewables will never replace fossil fuels, never. AOC and Bernie are so incredibly full of it re the Green New Deal as an end item. However, as you stated, we need all of it. Oil IS going to become scarcer. Anyone who thinks otherwise is not paying attention or in denial. So, bottom line, we need all the renewables we can build plus oil, plus natural gas, plus wood, plus nuclear, plus, plus.

  417. Janos Skorenzy April 22, 2020 at 3:29 pm #

    At least FOUR County Coroners in Pennsylvania, including the President of the Pennsylvania State Coroners Association, are publicly denouncing the book-cooking and abject lying going on with regards to coding every possible death as due to the fake CoronaCold, as ordered by the completely unqualified self-mutilating sex pervert madman in a dress calling himself the “Secretary of Health”, Richard Levine.

    They have to cut the coroners out of the loop because the coroners are precisely the people whose job it is to ensure accuracy and integrity on death certificates. The coroners are the first to realize the total fraud of telling doctors to ACTIVELY SPECULATE and use things like “LOCAL TRENDS” to assign causes of death.

    First, the York County coroner from back on 12 April calling it out: “THIS IS CRAZY.”

    Then, from today, 22 April, Dr. Charles Kiessling:

    “I think we’re falsely inflating the numbers,” he said, referring to Health Secretary Dr. Rachel Richard Levine’s explanation during a Tuesday press conference that state data now includes probable cause deaths, which help provide a more complete picture of the COVID-19 situation in the state.

    Here is just an example of how much of a fraud this truly is. Here is reportage from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, population 1,200,000:

    In Allegheny County, “There have been 188 people hospitalized in recent weeks. Of those, 76 have been admitted to an ICU unit and 46 have required the use of a ventilator or breathing machine, the county reported.”

    188 total hospitalizations / 1,200,000 population = 0.00016

    That’s total HOSPITALIZATIONS, folks. Not deaths. That is SIXTEEN THOUSANDTHS OF ONE PERCENT.

    The hospitals in Pittsburgh are literally standing near-empty.

    IT’S A SEASONAL CHEST COLD.

    HEALTHY ADULT HUMAN IMMUNE SYSTEMS FIGHT IT OFF EASILY, USUALLY WITH ZERO SYMPTOMS, SOME GET A COLD.

    THERE IS A MASSIVE POSITIVE CORRELATION BETWEEN PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING ALONG WITH THIS OBVIOUS CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY AND SOCIAL MEDIA ADDICTION.

    IT ISN’T GOING ANYWHERE. SEASONAL COLD VIRUSES LIKE THIS CANNOT BE ERADICATED – WHICH IS WHY IT WAS CHOSEN.

    THE BILL AND MELINDA GATES FOUNDATION HELD A PREPARATORY COORDINATION MEETING FOR GOVERNMENT AND MEDIA FOR A “GLOBAL CORONAVIRUS PANDEMIC” 187 DAYS AGO.

    THE GOVERNMENT IS ACTIVELY LYING.

    THE MEDIA IS ACTIVELY LYING.

    THE GOVERNMENT IS ACTIVELY TRYING TO CULL THE ELDERLY BY WITHHOLDING TREATMENT IN THE NAME OF “TRIAGE” WHILE HOSPITALS STAND EMPTY AND NURSES ARE FURLOUGHED.

    THE GOVERNMENT HAS IMPRISONED HALF OF THE HUMAN RACE BY CLAIMING THAT THIS MUST BE DONE TO “SAVE THE ELDERLY” WHILE ACTIVELY, OPENLY FORBIDDING TREATMENT OF THE ELDERLY.

    THIS IS AN ACT OF TERRORISM, AND PROBABLY THE SINGLE GREATEST CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY EVER.

    BILLIONS OF PEOPLE NOW BELIEVE THAT BEING ANYWHERE NEAR ANOTHER HUMAN BEING COULD LITERALLY KILL THEM.

    And then shall many be scandalized: and shall betray one another: and shall hate one another. And many false prophets shall rise, and shall seduce many. And because iniquity hath abounded, the charity of many shall grow cold.
    Matthew 24: 10-12

    Anne Barnhardt, Traditional Catholic

    JS: The Vatican is actively partnering with the UN, WHO. and the abortion mongering Gates Foundation. Because of people like Anne, I’m comfortable enough to admit that Akmo is right about the current Church. It’s been toppled and the Satanists are in control. It wasn’t always like this of course. How would it have last some two thousand years if it had been?

    As she says, you need a numerator and a denominator to make sense of any fraction – and you need to know what they are in order to understand.

  418. BackRowHeckler April 22, 2020 at 3:34 pm #

    Yes GA I’ve been seeing some positive developments around town and around the state the past few weeks. The local news report on endless acts of generosity and kindness probably to lift people’s spirits … but just around here suddenly there’s lots of little kids out with their parents riding bikes in the park, playing ball, fishing in the ponds etc. Frankly this reminds me of how we used to live a few decades ago.

    Akfomo, we do have the best pizza here, ‘specially as that video points out, in New Haven.

    Brh

  419. JohnAZ April 22, 2020 at 3:37 pm #

    SBS

    Your hope for land resettlement is a pipe dream. City folks will never be resettled in the country. We are in the middle of a huge problem now with urbanization and suburbanization using up good farmland for development. We need more food production land not less. Technology makes farmers more productive each generation, we need less, not more. City dwellers are going to go the way of UBI, that is Deep State for welfare, or die.

  420. GreenAlba April 22, 2020 at 3:54 pm #

    “IT’S A SEASONAL CHEST COLD.”

    Try as I might, I can’t summon up a memory of 18,000 people in the UK dying in a period of a few weeks of a seasonal chest cold, with the best medical care that is available, while managing to kill 100 of the doctors and nurses (in PPE gear) looking after them. Nope, I just don’t recall a seasonal chest cold quite like that.

  421. wpa_ccc April 22, 2020 at 4:07 pm #

    All my posts have been systematically removed.

    JHK writes to the public on a public blog which invites public comments. Then he is such a snowflake, so sensitive, he censors at will.

    It is his blog. He can censor. It makes him a snowflake. And because it is a public blog which invites comments, I can submit comments to be censored. I am the public, too. Meanwhile, the racist, anti-semitic, anti-immigrant posts remain.

    Y2K. Peak oil. Economic collapse if oil goes below $40 a barrel. Etc.

    Hey, JHK, where are those Durham indictments against the deep staters from Durham’s ultra-secret review of the origins of the Russia investigation, indictments you predicted were coming “soon”?

    I don’t know what right-wing conspiracy sources you are reading, but you have become all too predictable in making rambling predictions. Vapor predictions. Now you can delete this post, too.

  422. Janos Skorenzy April 22, 2020 at 4:25 pm #

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-our-coronavirus-catastrophe-as-biowarfare-blowback/

    Interesting stuff. The Tianamen Square massacre never happened – the protestors stood down. The accidental bombing of the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade was a deliberate American strike. They were allied with the Serbs who had brought down an American fighter and then brought it to their embassy for the Chinese to study.

    The Wuhan Virus may have been a bio-strike against the Chinese. The “Military Games” (I’ve never heard of them) were in Wuhan and there were 300 American soldiers visiting. The outbreak began after that.

    Any thoughts? I have no opinion – all this is new to me. He says the American Elite are bitter than their century (along with five hundred year dominance of the West) is ending. Why did you idiots help them so much then? You filthy, greedy, short sighted fools.

  423. sunburstsoldier April 22, 2020 at 4:31 pm #

    “Your hope for land resettlement is a pipe dream. City folks will never be resettled in the country. We are in the middle of a huge problem now with urbanization and suburbanization using up good farmland for development. We need more food production land not less. Technology makes farmers more productive each generation, we need less, not more. City dwellers are going to go the way of UBI, that is Deep State for welfare, or die.”

    What happens to city dwellers when there is a major financial collapse and supply lines breakdown? Or fossil fuels begin to peter out? The city will become a death trap. I don’t think you have to worry about sprawl taking up more farmland. The age of sprawl has already reached its terminus…

  424. GreenAlba April 22, 2020 at 5:05 pm #

    I often feel I’m observing a certain amount of barely suppressed glee (or schadenfreude, at least) from the ‘city dwellers will die’ folks at the prospect. Those of us who live in cities are just human beings like the rest of you. Most of us didn’t make enough dosh to buy ourselves a chunk of land that we can farm, especially in small countries where land is at a premium. And we weren’t lucky enough to inherit any from farming relatives.

  425. Q. Shtik April 22, 2020 at 5:06 pm #

    What sayest you about the new or damaged blog? Like it? – Janos

    ===========

    I realize your question was for Sunburst but let me put my two cents in. Since last week when the comment section blew up – where there were no ‘reply’ boxes beneath a commenter’s comment – it was very frustrating and nearly drove me crazy. Now, here we are just 3 days into a new week and I’m getting used to it and kind of liking it. Here’s why:

    All comments are in chronological order. This makes it quite simple to go back into the comments section and find where you left off. If you want to reply directly to or about a previous comment all you need to do is quote a sentence/paragraph and give the name of the commenter as I have done above and have been doing for years.

    My only beef with the current setup is that I don’t see a need for links to “older comments” or “newer comments.” I don’t see the necessity.

  426. Cargill April 22, 2020 at 5:08 pm #

    “CDC Director Says There May Be Another Coronavirus Wave in Late Fall and a ‘Substantial Portion of Americans’ Will Be Susceptible

    Hopefully, we’ll aggressively re-embrace some of the mitigation strategies, he says.”

    We’re gettin’ set up already! BOO

    You and the co-conspirators would be the first to squeal if a major health event endangered your precious little ass, and the CDC plus state health officials had not warned you of it.

    When is it going to sink into thick skulls that the CDC, Dr Fauci, and all the state CMOs are not paid-up party members, doing the dirty work for the elite cabal executing a NWO?

    These health scientists are inherently conservative folk, and while they’re far better off than minimum-wage workers on the bread-line, they wouldn’t recommend lockdown if they believed it was medically unnecessary.

    Cynicism does not equal sophistication (except in New York).

  427. Majella April 22, 2020 at 5:09 pm #

    “Sun: Yes, remember Bilbo’s home in LOTR? How lovely and homey. On a South facing hill, windows on the South side.”

    If you’re referring to the movies, you’d find Bilbo’s south-facing hill is facing Antarctica…

  428. Cargill April 22, 2020 at 5:13 pm #

    My only beef with the current setup is that I don’t see a need for links to “older comments” or “newer comments.” I don’t see the necessity.

    I agree … it might be a transitional thing, and I hope so. Far better to have all posts in the thread on the one page if technically possible.

  429. Janos Skorenzy April 22, 2020 at 5:34 pm #

    Alba: Many of those 18,000 died of the regular Flu and it was called Corvid 19 – at least that’s what they are doing here. And of course, many were old people already dying of something else. So did they die of that or Corvid? Obviously Corivid is the Disease of Choice for PC Britain. A cool, respectable disease. Sacred if it will remove our remaining rights and Donald John Trump, the unspeakably flawed, cucked, last hope of America.

  430. Janos Skorenzy April 22, 2020 at 5:35 pm #

    Btw, if you go to Anne’s site. Barnhardt.biz, you can get the links to the coroners who are objecting to the Lies being forced on them. Obviously the hyper-links don’t come thru on the cut and paste.

  431. stelmosfire April 22, 2020 at 5:46 pm #

    What’s this mean?
    https://asiatimes.com/2020/04/why-us-outsourced-bat-virus-research-to-wuhan/

  432. Janos Skorenzy April 22, 2020 at 5:56 pm #

    This land of such dear souls, this dear dear land,
    Dear for her reputation through the world,
    Is now leased out, I die pronouncing it,
    Like to a tenement or pelting farm:
    England, bound in with the triumphant sea
    Whose rocky shore beats back the envious siege
    Of watery Neptune, is now bound in with shame,
    With inky blots and rotten parchment bonds:
    That England, that was wont to conquer others,
    Hath made a shameful conquest of itself.
    Ah, would the scandal vanish with my life,
    How happy then were my ensuing death!

    – William Shakespeare

    A curse on those ungrateful sons and daughters who have sold their mother out. The English are the traditional Enemies of my People. My Ancestor, the leader of our Clan, died some four hundred years ago in the Tower of London, yet still I care more for England than many of modern Englishmen.

  433. benr April 22, 2020 at 5:58 pm #

    @wpa_ccc

    All I read there was qq qq qq quit crying and post something worth reading. Further stop attacking the host and start looking at the site it’s having issues you might try clicking the older posts or is your AI not smart enough to do so?

    Or you could simply USE google and stop being a dunce.

    https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/492405-ag-barr-just-signaled-that-things-are-about-to-get-ugly-for-the-russia

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/fox-legal-analyst-attorney-general-tipped-his-hand-on-potential-john-durham-indictments

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/24/us/politics/john-durham-criminal-investigation.html

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/03/department-of-justice-dismisses-robert-mueller-charges-against-russian-businesses/

  434. GreenAlba April 22, 2020 at 5:59 pm #

    Janos

    Firstly, it’s Covid and not Corvid.

    Secondly you’re right to point out that what’s happening in the US isn’t necessarily what’s happening in the UK, and therefore entirely wrong to state that ‘many of those 18,000 died of flu, because that is categorically incorrect.

    The deaths reported in the UK line that you can see on the Coronavirus Worldometer, for example, reflect a serious under-reporting of total Covid deaths. The figures from England, which represent the huge majority, given the size of England compared to the other constituent nations of the UK do not include Covid deaths in the community or in care homes. They ONLY include hospital deaths, and it’s easy peasy to check in a hospital if someone has flu.

    To give you an idea of the size of the under-reporting, in Scotland the totals include care home deaths, and the care-home deaths account for a full third of the total. So, if the pattern is similar in England, you’re talking about needing to add maybe 8000 extra deaths to the official total.

    So I’m afraid you’ve rather shot yourself in the foot with your fanciful conspiracy theories.

    In addition to that, there is a huge amount of under-reporting of Covid deaths in the community (and in care homes), because many people are dying before being tested or not being tested at all, in which case the GPs certifying the deaths are unable to put Covid as the cause of death in the absence of test results, as has been attested by GP whistle-blowers in the South of England, who are not part of the new world order, but just struggling to keep their heads above water while not dying of Covid.

    I’m afraid you have got the situation very exactly wrong. Back to the drawing board with you…

    In addition to that, I know a handful of people with diabetes or high blood pressure, including my own husband, who has non-insulin-dependent diabetes, perfectly controlled by metformin. Their lives are not remotely at risk through either condition, which is easily controlled by medication. Diabetes affects the immune system, however, which makes you more likely to suffer a serious incidence of Covid. But if you therefore die, you’ve died of Covid, plain and simple, because your diabetes wasn’t going to kill you.

    If your diabetes was going to kill you, your doctor likely knows about that already, and also knows why your diabetes wasn’t properly controlled, often because of non-compliance.

    One of my own nephews (older very macho brother of Gay Nephew) died yesterday, two weeks after his 30th birthday. He had Type 1 diabetes, diagnosed at age 14. He never reconciled to the constraints of his condition, as can quite often happen with teenagers, and his compliance has been abysmal for 16 years, with the addition of other problems indirectly caused by his condition. That is what an actual diabetes death looks like. I don’t know what will be on the death certificate, but it certainly won’t be Covid.

    I do wish you’d give it a rest with the ridiculous conspiracy theories.

    You can safely take the actual UK Covid deaths to be nearer 25,000 than the reported 18,000, as will eventually be reflected in the figures when our elephantine neighbour starts reporting the deaths as they are reported here.

  435. Nightowl April 22, 2020 at 6:17 pm #

    “You two might want to either get a room or start ignoring each other as the watch your back comment borders on an internet threat.
    Majella take a break and give it a rest and that goes double for akmofo let it go.”
    ————————————————————————
    Don’t spoil the fun of watching Maj and Cargill arguing with their like-minded bretheren on the opposite end of the political spectrum.

    The battle of the left vs. right tinfoil is one of the reasons I check this comment section at least once per day between jobs.

    Vatican-Lizard Truthers vs. Manchuian-Candidate-White-Ethnostate Truthers.

    Fite!

  436. Janos Skorenzy April 22, 2020 at 6:18 pm #

    America rejects De Blasio’s Stalinst type campaign of snitchery.

    https://nypost.com/2020/04/21/de-blasios-social-distancing-tip-line-flooded-with-obscenities/

    People are posting pictures of him dropping the groundhog, the putz!

    Alba: the actual number of deaths is far below that was projected a few weeks ago for Britain. You are grasping at straws.

  437. GreenAlba April 22, 2020 at 6:22 pm #

    “Alba: the actual number of deaths is far below that was projected a few weeks ago for Britain. You are grasping at straws.”

    I’m talking about actual deaths, not projected deaths. You are talking utter drivel, in your desperation. Grow up.

    Refute my figures and their rationalisation or shut up and have some decency.

  438. wpa_ccc April 22, 2020 at 6:23 pm #

    benr, the Republican-led Senate Intelligence committee’s unanimous report on Russian interference in the 2016 election on behalf of Trump was released yesterday. Google it. Durham’s got nuthin’

  439. GreenAlba April 22, 2020 at 6:27 pm #

    And the official aim, weeks ago, in the UK, was to keep the deaths under 20,000, with the lockdown.

    We’re currently over 18,000 if you exclude the English care home and community deaths (as the official figures still do, but admit admit that they do) and well over 20,000 if you include them.

    You have an agenda and you bend your facts accordingly. Nothing new under the sun.

  440. akmofo April 22, 2020 at 6:39 pm #

    Regarding the leader of Best Korea…the Norks are known for their high fat, high sugar diets.
    ==

    You don’t say. I’m gonna have to go back to my chromatography lab and check for the exact composition of sideroad grass again.

  441. akmofo April 22, 2020 at 6:51 pm #

    Vatican thanks China for aid, but does not thank Taiwan; criticism from Cardinal Burke
    ==

    Because commie totalitarianism is freedom, and democracy is slavery.

    Signed,
    The infallibles

  442. akmofo April 22, 2020 at 7:02 pm #

    So I’m afraid you’ve rather shot yourself in the foot with your fanciful conspiracy theories.
    ==

    COVID 19 Tests Were Tainted With COVID 19 Virus
    https://youtu.be/XS3vqz1qunM

    It’s too sad and horrific to even be a clown show. These are your dear “professionals”. They should be sued out of existence. All of them should be open to liability. And anyone administrating and selling pharma drugs and vaccines should face class action suits and bankruptcy. But we don’t have a normal society. We have a society captured by gangsters and a religious priesthood pretending to be scientists and public servants.

  443. akmofo April 22, 2020 at 7:26 pm #

    a religious priesthood pretending to be scientists
    ==

    Any science experiment requires a control group. Where is the control group to show that there’s any difference between those places that have been under quarantine and social distancing and those that haven’t. Why are we assuming quarantine and social distancing makes any difference at all in the long run? Where is the basis for all this madness?

  444. akmofo April 22, 2020 at 7:33 pm #

    Where is the basis for all this madness?
    ==

    It’s all religious nonsense. In fact, when you look at Sweden and the Vatican BlackHats in Israel and elsewhere who largely did not observe quarantine and social distancing, there’s NOTHING to indicate that these communities are worse off, and much to indicate the opposite. So what gives?!

  445. stelmosfire April 22, 2020 at 7:41 pm #

    Cargill, do you actually know anybody who has had the Covid?

  446. BackRowHeckler April 22, 2020 at 7:56 pm #

    Well, ‘Planet of the Humans’ is on YT.

    Released for Earth Day, just finished watching the whole thing. Some of the conclusions reached are what JHK has pointed out in his books and on this blog.

    Moore exposes Branson, Bloomberg, Gore and Bill McKibben (and many others) for the frauds that they are.

    And in the category of ‘Who knew’ the Koch brothers control the promotion, manufacture and marketing of most of the solar panels in the United States. The hated Koch brothers ahahahahahaha!

    Apparently the whole alt energy enterprise has been a grift from Day 1.

    Brh

  447. wpa_ccc April 22, 2020 at 8:01 pm #

    Sweden’s Public Health Agency announced a death toll of 1,203 people from Covid-19 on Wednesday, a rate of 118 per million inhabitants. By using RATES you can compare countries. 55 in Denmark and just 13 in Finland, both of which imposed strict early lockdowns to curb the virus’s spread. Sweden’s is 118. Sweden’s per-million tally is also significantly higher than the 42 recorded in Germany

  448. sunburstsoldier April 22, 2020 at 8:05 pm #

    “I often feel I’m observing a certain amount of barely suppressed glee (or schadenfreude, at least) from the ‘city dwellers will die’ folks at the prospect. Those of us who live in cities are just human beings like the rest of you.”

    I’m a city dweller Alba, there’s no barely suppressed glee. I was responding to JohnAZ’s comment that city dwellers will never relocate to the countryside. I was merely pointing out we may have no choice at some point if Jim’s hypothesis concerning the Long Emergency plays out…

  449. sunburstsoldier April 22, 2020 at 8:12 pm #

    “Moore exposes Branson, Bloomberg, Gore and Bill McKibben (and many others) for the frauds that they are.”

    I’ve never been a fan of Mike Moore, but you got to give him credit for having the balls to put that film out. Not gonna win him any friends on the Left I imagine…

  450. sunburstsoldier April 22, 2020 at 8:24 pm #

    “I’ve got a bunch of books on earth sheltered building techniques. I always wanted to build one. The problem is that most towns will not let you build one. Not up to code you see.” stelmosfire

    Yeah, same with those tiny homes. Can’t have them either in many places, although we have a few in Detroit now built for low income folks. I imagine building codes will relax as the Long Emergency plays out.

    Another cool idea is straw bale homes. They’ve been around for a long time in parts of the southwest where trees are few and far between…

  451. GreenAlba April 22, 2020 at 8:28 pm #

    Branson’s never been anything else but a fraud. His first business was basically a tax scam and he’s got on by shafting people ever since. He has the sharpest lawyers on the planet. And he’s been sucking at the public teat since forever. And now he wants a bailout for Virgin Atlantic.
    Ho. Ho. Ho.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/21/richard-branson-bailout

    Nail. Head.

  452. Majella April 22, 2020 at 8:45 pm #

    wpa_ccc:
    “Sweden’s Public Health Agency announced a death toll of 1,203 people from Covid-19 on Wednesday, a rate of 118 per million inhabitants. By using RATES you can compare countries. 55 in Denmark and just 13 in Finland, both of which imposed strict early lockdowns to curb the virus’s spread. Sweden’s is 118. Sweden’s per-million tally is also significantly higher than the 42 recorded in Germany”

    As well, both Australia & New Zealand went hard, fast & early on Lockdown – both have a rate of deaths per million of 3…THREE.

    USA – 144/1m, UK 267 /1m (but probably way light, as GA has pointed out).

    So, it certainly APPEARS to work. Given the number of utterly craven bullshit theories based on no evidence – only conjecture from cherry-picked data – it’s a more reliable measure of effectiveness as any other.

  453. BackRowHeckler April 22, 2020 at 8:48 pm #

    ‘Too many people’ seems to be the main conclusion reached in ‘Planet of the Humans’.

    But if it weren’t for 3rd world immigration into the United States since 1965 our population would have stabilized at about 225 million. Instead were are pushing 335 million. The Sierra Club for one came out against any immigration limits into the US. (Another organization exposed as a fraud in Planet of the Humans)

    China and India, Mexico, Indonesia and Egypt your talking over 4 billion people. What can be done about that?

    Brh

  454. KesaAnna April 22, 2020 at 8:55 pm #

    ” …. a rate of 118 per million inhabitants. ”

    Granted , no doubt it would really suck to be one of those 118…..

    BUT …..uh ….. since when has 118 out of one million warrant or justify emergency authority , or anything to get especially upset about , or to focus on particularly ?

    Actually , I CAN think of some , ” when(s) ” ;

    118 witches out of one million denizens of the 17th century.

    118 Jews out of one million Europeans in 1934.

    118 American aborigines versus one million European newcomers , A,D. 1600 to 1900.

    118 Americans who actually knew who the fuck Karl Marx or Vladimir Lenin were in the Red Scares of 1919 or 1950 —

    — and maybe 18 of those actually had the motivation to become Comintern or Soviet agents —

    — and about half , or even two – thirds of those 18 actual agents …… were upper management in the U.S. Government. 😛

    — and so on.

    Same bullshit , different day.

  455. Cargill April 22, 2020 at 8:57 pm #

    Another cool idea is straw bale homes. They’ve been around for a long time in parts of the southwest where trees are few and far between…

    Australia – with high summer temps and low rainfall mostly – has taken up straw-bale, mud-brick, and rammed-earth homes to some degree. But they are still at the old hippie | city refugee end of the spectrum – not widespread.

    In the tropics (with high but not extreme temps, and high humidity) very lightweight homes are the go – set up on stilts, very light timber or corrugated iron walls, But mostly, all the walls are just louvred glass window-walls. Ceiling fans too.

  456. stelmosfire April 22, 2020 at 9:06 pm #

    Wpasoka. I don’t know where you get your numbers but the sources i use say Sweden has 1937 dead, so more like 188/million. Don’t leave out Belgium at 569/million. Numbers don’t mean squat. You can play them any way you want. This virus is not going anywhere. You can hide under your bed forever and it will be waiting when you come out. BOO

  457. Cargill April 22, 2020 at 9:09 pm #

    BUT …..uh ….. since when has 118 out of one million warrant or justify emergency authority , or anything to get especially upset about , or to focus on particularly ?

    The justification is quite obvious: for a dangerous virus for which there is currently no immunity, no treatment, no vaccine, and you cannot tell who is infectious, to NOT have the lock-downs, distancing, and isolation of the vulnerable would almost certainly led to a death rate far higher than 118 per million.

    Do you appreciate this logic?

  458. KesaAnna April 22, 2020 at 9:11 pm #

    By the way , I have a friend in Sweden , and she did get the virus , and I did give a shit.

    So please excuse me ( or not ) when it’s a new fucking “emergency ” every two fucking weeks.

    By the way , the incessant war talk / football game talk looks fucking stupid.

    War on poverty , war on Communism , war on drugs , war on racism , war on terror , war on a fucking virus …..

    ” Remember Pearl Harbor ” , ” Remember 911 ” —

    Do you fucking ” Remember the Maine ” ?

    You don’t look like free people. You look like hysterical pussies.

  459. KesaAnna April 22, 2020 at 9:17 pm #

    ” Do you appreciate this logic? ”

    Do you appreciate the logic in the Aesop’s fable , ” The boy who cried wolf ” ?

    I doubt it.

    Like I said , when it is NOT a different fucking “emergency ” EVERY TWO FUCKING WEEKS , THEN I’ll extend you some credence , and not before.

  460. JohnAZ April 22, 2020 at 9:32 pm #

    SBS

    One thing that JHK stated in TLE was that the world has lost the skill set it needs to survive as an agrarian society. It takes years of experience to be able to farm, skills passed from generation to generation. Urban dwellers are in deep kaka if the economy were to collapse or transportation ceased for a lack of oil. By the way, there are lots of rifles and shotguns out there in farmland to protect themselves from incursions from outsiders. One of our problems is there is no extra land to settle like the 1800s.

  461. JohnAZ April 22, 2020 at 9:37 pm #

    SBS

    Have you visited Williamsburg, VA. In that historical site are skills that may be very important in the future. There are seed banks in existence whose purpose is to preserve the original strains of seeds so when the bogus hybrids, including GMO, eventually fail, there will be a way of continuing farming.

    It is getting pretty damn serious.

  462. JohnAZ April 22, 2020 at 9:39 pm #

    Kesa Anna

    Well said! America has become a nation of gimme pussies.

  463. JohnAZ April 22, 2020 at 9:50 pm #

    Cargill

    I appreciate your logic about what the virus is presenting mankind with.

    However

    We cannot stop our economy for much longer without very permanent damage.

    And guess what, no economy no tax dollars for your precious central government. No medical care for the affected folks.

    The ideal is how to start everything up with people who respect the social distance as part of life and the way of personal contact.

    Right now, I would say the average American is too dumb to keep their distance.

    Interesting observation. Note that Japanese greet each other with a bow at a distance. Maybe a epidemic there in the past made this social greeting part of the culture.

  464. akmofo April 22, 2020 at 10:08 pm #

    What Does Soft Tissue in Dinosaur Bones Mean for Evolution? – Dr. Kevin Anderson
    https://youtu.be/ykwgE9MlNCs
    ==

    It means Darwinian evolution and the timeline of million and billions of years is complete bullshit nonsense.

    The TaNaKh in Genesis 1:21 specifically speaks and identifies the “large taninim“, meaning great monsters or great crocodiles, in reference to the dinosaurs, as part of creation. Why would the TaNaKh specifically identify “great crocodiles” when it does not specifically specify other specific species by name? The “great crocodiles” is what the ancients called the dinosaurs!

  465. Cargill April 22, 2020 at 10:24 pm #

    Like I said , when it is NOT a different fucking “emergency ” EVERY TWO FUCKING WEEKS , THEN I’ll extend you some credence , and not before.

    Your hyperbole is showing rather badly. The world is full of surprises, and yes, emergencies – why on earth rage against it?

    The coronavirus might be inconvenient to you, but surely no-one can argue that it’s just a media beat-up … if 185,000 Covid-19 deaths in a matter of a few weeks – if that doesn’t indicate a genuine emergency, I’m not sure what does.

  466. Cargill April 22, 2020 at 10:30 pm #

    We cannot stop our economy for much longer without very permanent damage.

    And guess what, no economy no tax dollars for your precious central government. No medical care for the affected folks.

    The ideal is how to start everything up with people who respect the social distance as part of life and the way of personal contact.

    Firstly, we don’t have a central government anywhere near as centralised as yours – there is no dictator elected every four years. We’re basically an anarchic and anti-authoritarian mob … and it works well enough – at least while our Chinese friends keep buying everything we dig up.

    No-one sensible can disagree with you – everybody wants to start things up again (including me) – but without ignoring (or down-playing) the reality of viral spread, and the death and mayhem that can result.

    It will be a very tricky thing to get right – and a real test for governments everywhere. Some have passed and some have failed the test on imposing lock-downs, so I guess we’ll have a very mixed bag on the way out too.

  467. wpa_ccc April 22, 2020 at 10:36 pm #

    Wpasoka. I don’t know where you get your numbers

    stelmosoka, in the first four words of my post I state where the numbers come from: “Sweden’s Public Health Agency. They should know how many people are dying in Sweden.

  468. Cargill April 22, 2020 at 10:52 pm #

    It means Darwinian evolution and the timeline of million and billions of years is complete bullshit nonsense.>

    Yeah … the Flintstones version is just so much easier to get one’s head around LOL! A world created 6646 years ago, last Thursday week.

  469. akmofo April 22, 2020 at 11:01 pm #

    Don’t leave out Belgium at 569/million
    ==

    Every sixth death in the world is due to cancer. This equates to 166,666/million. Which is about 300x the nonsense death rate of the supposed corona virus in Belgium for example. Why are we not shutting down the poison food and poison chemical industries over this! Because we are being made to be unwitting dopes in a global ignorance MSM propaganda campaign in the service of the CIA mafia and its financial heist of the century.

  470. Majella April 22, 2020 at 11:06 pm #

    akmofo:
    “What Does Soft Tissue in Dinosaur Bones Mean for Evolution? – Dr. Kevin Anderson
    https://youtu.be/ykwgE9MlNCs

    A creationist…okay. Are you also a flat-earther, akmofo?

    The only reference to Dr. Kevin Anderson Ph.D microbiology is on the creationist’s websites. Rather a circular Appeal-to-Authority.

  471. malthuss April 22, 2020 at 11:24 pm #

    Branson’s never been anything else but a fraud.

    I knew someone who had worked for him and spoke highly of him [charming sociopath?].

    Another rumor is his early money was from selling cocaine.

  472. malthuss April 22, 2020 at 11:24 pm #

    Q Shtik, I dont like this new ‘system.’

  473. Cargill April 22, 2020 at 11:34 pm #

    Why would the Tanakh specifically identify “great crocodiles” when it does not specifically specify other specific species by name? The “great crocodiles” is what the ancients called the dinosaurs!

    Some evidence for this? The Nile has pretty big crocodiles – maybe the Ancient Israelites meant big crocodiles! Or did Moses cross the Red Sea on the back of a Diplodocus?

    I don’t set out to poke fun at people’s religion – it is a private matter, and should be kept so. But punters on here do say pretty laughable stuff – leading with the chin.

  474. elysianfield April 22, 2020 at 11:45 pm #

    Well, ladies and germs;

    Good news/Bad news.

    The good news is that Ford, and other auto makers, are now making ventilators…reconfiguring seat cooling fans as part of the process…They will make them by the thousands…like jelly beans.The bad news is that New York has reported that a full 88% of those patients put on ventilators have died…while being ventilated, I expect.

    https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2020/04/22/Most-COVID-19-patients-placed-on-ventilators-die-New-York-study-shows/6481587593463/?ts_=16

  475. SoftStarLight April 22, 2020 at 11:52 pm #

    It is very quaint and beautiful. And it’s in a state of natural harmony with the Earth. Middle-earth that is. A refuge.

  476. SoftStarLight April 22, 2020 at 11:56 pm #

    Majella, Middle-earth is the northern continent of Arda so your perspective is in the wrong hemisphere.

  477. stelmosfire April 23, 2020 at 12:06 am #

    “in the first four words of my post I state where the numbers come from: “Sweden’s Public Health Agency. They should know how many people are dying in Sweden.”

    https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/09f821667ce64bf7be6f9f87457ed9aa

    1937 dead not 1203, try to keep up for chrissake, and you can see from their figures that basically NO ONE under the age of 50 is dying from this bug

    Get your head out of your ass WPA

  478. Cargill April 23, 2020 at 12:16 am #

    Every sixth death in the world is due to cancer. This equates to 166,666/million. Which is about 300x the nonsense death rate of the supposed corona virus in Belgium for example. Why are we not shutting down the poison food and poison chemical industries over this!

    In fact the world has spent billions on (a) medical research and treatments to combat cancer, and (b) legislation to prevent cancer-causing agents when they are identified. And some common cancers are now very rare because of various successful vaccines.

    But a lot of cancer has no known cause – so a huge amount is most likely genetic – breast cancer for example.

    Because we are being made to be unwitting dopes in a global ignorance MSM propaganda campaign in the service of the CIA mafia and its financial heist of the century.

    It’s difficult to respond to wildly incoherent conspiracy theories.

    Why not accept that (a) a dangerous new virus – for which there is currently no immunity, treatment, or vaccine, has made it into the human population by accident, and (b) it is absolutely the case that governments must do all they can to solve it and protect their citizens from its worse ravages.

    I saw something apt today:

    Delay … Denial … Death… Donald

  479. Cargill April 23, 2020 at 12:21 am #

    The bad news is that New York has reported that a full 88% of those patients put on ventilators have died…while being ventilated, I expect.

    No surprises there – ventilators are only deployed for the worst of the worst cases, and mostly the old or those with other issues.

    All the more reason to maintain lockdowns, with social distancing, self isolation, no crowds, and widespread testing. One of the greatest ongoing threats is that asymptomatic people can be carriers and spreaders.

    So we need to test and keep our distance. And wash our hands.

  480. Majella April 23, 2020 at 12:54 am #

    Cargill:

    “I saw something apt today:

    Delay … Denial … Death… Donald”

    I saw one too:

    “I cannot tell a lie” – George Washington
    “I cannot tellthe truth” – Donald Trump
    “I cannot tell the difference” – Trump Voter

  481. Majella April 23, 2020 at 12:56 am #

    SSL:
    “Majella, Middle-earth is the northern continent of Arda so your perspective is in the wrong hemisphere.”

    know SSL – I did frame it with regard to the movies. “Hobbiton” is near Morrinsville in the Waikato region of New Zealand, and the sun is ALWAYS to the north there. Just a wee joke…

  482. Majella April 23, 2020 at 1:00 am #

    Cargill:

    “ventilators are only deployed for the worst of the worst cases, and mostly the old or those with other issues.”

    But not always.

    Whistleblower Dr Wi Lenwiang was just 33 (probably symbolic to Christianity professing CTers).

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51409801

  483. Cargill April 23, 2020 at 2:44 am #

    But not always.

    Majella – are you saying (a) ventilators are sometimes not used, even in extreme cases, or (b) ventilators are sometimes used when patients aren’t particularly critical, or (c) ventilators are used on young people if they’re deemed necessary?

    Possibly all three?

  484. Cargill April 23, 2020 at 4:13 am #

    Anyway – I don’t know whether Joe Biden is going to beat Trump – who could know? But I think he will.

    But I reject the JHK notion that he is a placeholder – I think he’s the real deal, and while the Democratic Party probably could have done much better – finding another Bill Clinton or Obama – they didn’t, however I think Joe Biden is sufficient to do the job – kick out the most incompetent and corrupt president in US history.

  485. Janos Skorenzy April 23, 2020 at 4:39 am #

    Many archeological finds are found that simply do not agree with current model – and they are simply ignored since they do not. In the mud of one dried up Mexican lake, many tracks were found and preserved by a fall of volcanic ash that solidified. Included among the animal tracks were anatomically modern human tracks – dating back 1.3 million years.

    See “Forbidden Archeology” by Michael A Cremo. Did Man evolve? Or did he fall from a higher state? Sunburst will agree. SSL too perhaps. Akmo will not because he is tied to a young Earth paradigm. Sophia may or may not, not sure. She seems to live the evolutionary paradigm even though it is at odds with the Traditions.

  486. tucsonspur April 23, 2020 at 5:10 am #

    Biden has plenty of VP candidates to choose from and he’ll pick according to where he needs the most help. I don’t know how things stand now numbers wise, but Klobuchar or Whitmer could help him in the upper mid-west where Hillary lost, e.g. Harris the Black will stir memories of Michelle and Balack.

    I wonder if medications are involved regarding Biden. Erratically effective? At times he oozes Alzheimer’s.

    Dems will be desperate to get the Senate. Most likely, AZ. will have two Dem senators after the election.

    Is the idiot Kemp going to cave without Trump’s support?

  487. tucsonspur April 23, 2020 at 5:22 am #

    How different were they from the Laetoli bipedal hominid prints, about 3.6 million years old?

    Man evolved enough to cushion his fears, gain earthly power and concoct religious structures.

  488. Cargill April 23, 2020 at 5:27 am #

    Included among the animal tracks were anatomically modern human tracks – dating back 1.3 million years.

    It’s debateable that “anatomically modern humans had evolved at all by 1.3 million years ago. Early hominids for sure, but not homo sapiens – they appear around 200,000 years ago in South Africa. We are very much the new kid on the block … but boy … we’ve sure made up for a late start!

    Evolution over four billion years is an outstanding scientific history … why does anyone require any unscientific alternative horseshit … I really do feel very sorry for all you children.

  489. Majella April 23, 2020 at 5:28 am #

    Cargill

    No… that was more a response to stelmo’s

    “basically NO ONE under the age of 50 is dying from this bug” (though I can’t get the maths on “basically + no one”)

    as much as your

    “…and mostly the old or those with other issues ”

    Dr. Li was among the first to die who happened to have some ‘fame’.

    He was young, fit and, unfortunately, working on the frontline.

    I just find it incredible that anyone can say something like “no one under 50 is dying” when there is a shitload of cases all around the planet. Duh.

    How deranged are these loopy Trump supporters? If they’d taken his advice on hydroxychloroquine, his support-base might have halved by now, through attrition brought on by the medication, according to a recent study. “WHAT do you HAVE to LOSE?” he asked…where shall I start?

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/apr/22/trump-hydroxychloroquine-study-coronavirus

    I expected the US experience of this crisis to be the horrible shitshow it has become (and, yes, it IS The Donald’s fault) but the tragedy about to unfold in the “Shitholestans” will be unbelievable.

    While Europe & the USA may be peaking (while in the US the RWNJ crowd works tirelessly to continue to wave it off as a Dem hoax and set about trying to be one of the 20,000 + newly infected each day), the poorest nations – northern & sub-Saharan Africa – are only now just starting to see the infection count rise. And we all know what ‘exponential’ means now, don’t we?

    These are places that have so little in the way of central resources (many having been picked over by Vulture Fund operators like Paul Singer) to be able to mitigate the financial effects on its citizens, but how do you do “social distancing” in a place where a family of 10 inhabits a 2 room corrugated iron shack, with no running water or even rudimentary sewerage, while it remains imperative that SOMEONE (at least one) in that household goes out every day to, somehow, feed the family?

    While the likes of Australia & New Zealand are set to emerge with some form of an economy left intact, these already failed states will be hit so much harder. Perhaps the citizenry has a resilience we have long ago lost – they’re going to need it.

  490. Cargill April 23, 2020 at 5:36 am #

    Biden has plenty of VP candidates to choose from and he’ll pick according to where he needs the most help.

    Yes – I agree it’s a really critical choice … not sure if he’ll go somewhere really pretty safe (Klobuchar or Harris) or hang it out there with Abrams or Warren … hard to say.

    I still believe he can win – and win well – but it wouldn’t take much for him to really stuff it up. Trump still has a lot in his armoury.

  491. Majella April 23, 2020 at 5:43 am #

    Skorenzy’s post shines a bright light on the real problem confronting The Tin Foil Nut Job Brigade – there’s just TOO many basic misunderstanding to choose from when building your world view!

    “See “Forbidden Archeology” by Michael A Cremo. Did Man evolve? Or did he fall from a higher state? Sunburst will agree. SSL too perhaps. Akmo will not because he is tied to a young Earth paradigm. Sophia may or may not, not sure. She seems to live the evolutionary paradigm even though it is at odds with the Traditions.”

    Whenever I’m directed to a link that has “Banned Videos” or “Forbidden Archeology” or “Answers in Genesis” in its address, then I MAY go to look at the quoted material – out of courtesy, you understand – but my disappointment antennae are usually pinging by the time the webpage resolves.

    I keep telling myself…”One day, SURELY, if I persist, there WILL be evidence that will convince me that Jesus saddle-rode a velociraptor, that the Earth is not only 6,757 years old AND that it’s fucking flat, too.”

  492. Cargill April 23, 2020 at 5:54 am #

    While Europe & the USA may be peaking (while in the US the RWNJ crowd works tirelessly to continue to wave it off as a Dem hoax and set about trying to be one of the 20,000 + newly infected each day), the poorest nations – northern & sub-Saharan Africa – are only now just starting to see the infection count rise. And we all know what ‘exponential’ means now, don’t we?

    I agree entirely Majella – it’s been hard enough in the Italy-France-Spain-UK-USA ring to even begin to control the spread, new cases, and on-going deaths … the toll in Africa might well (or certainly) be far higher than in the OECD.

    BTW I’m going to hold judgement on whether the rich nations have actually peaked … there might be a good inflection, but many places have only plateaued, and at still-horrendous levels.

  493. Cargill April 23, 2020 at 5:59 am #

    Whenever I’m directed to a link that has “Banned Videos” or “Forbidden Archeology” or “Answers in Genesis” in its address, then I MAY go to look at the quoted material – out of courtesy, you understand – but my disappointment antennae are usually pinging by the time the webpage resolves.

    I never ever go near that stuff – personally I think these evangelistas – especially the fundies who seem to congregate here (fuck knows why – JHK never talks about that stuff) – are demented small children with cognitive and learning difficulties, and no grasp on reality.

    But tro be fair, I think that about anyone who puts their religious oogoo boogoo in front of rational life. Sad!

  494. Majella April 23, 2020 at 6:01 am #

    TC:

    “I wonder if medications are involved regarding Biden. Erratically effective? At times he oozes Alzheimer’s.”

    Yes, I’d have to say the same thing. He can swing so far from interview to interview. My guess is that when he’s coherent, it’s early in the morning; when he starts to waffle a little, it’s early afternoon; but by ‘SUNDOWN’, he’s stuffed.

    Sorry, Cargill – I can’t agree that he’s saner & sounder than Himself. He’ll be ripped apart in the debates (if there are to be any), and even if he wins, he’ll be the Placeholder for his VP. It’s unlikely but I’d be really keen to see Katy Porter as VP nominee

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHFFU7hZidw

    and

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLvUb5-RGag

    and

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tgZEgSlhA0

    Go, Katy.

  495. GreenAlba April 23, 2020 at 6:03 am #

    malthuss

    “Another rumor is his [Branson’s] early money was from selling cocaine.”

    Well he was into hippie culture, but his first business – ‘records’ – was little more than a tax scam that exploited the tax-haven status of the Channel Islands. And not even legally.

    And then there’s the Tubular Bells (Mike Oldfield) neat bit of exploitation of an artist that really set up his business. Oldfield claims to have forgiven him now.

    But yes, the charm… He ran a cool office, back in the days of his record label (‘labels’ is primarily what he does – he’s a brand selling brands – asked about diesel v. electric trains when he started up Virgin Trains, he hadn’t the faintest notion what that meant). Gullible youngsters flocked to it. He serially shagged most of the female staff, and wandered round charmingly in holey jumpers (he’s been referred to as the ‘grinning jumper’), pretending to said cool and gullible staff that he was taking the same pay as they were getting, while squirrelling away the proceeds of their underpaid work in tax havens.

    Tom Bowers has written two books on the man – they’re excellent. And he’s never been sued, which, given Branson’s supply of sharp lawyers, strongly suggests it’s all true. And he’s a trusted biographer and historian anyway. Some of it would take your breath away.

    Like a man who has avoided UK tax for 14 years crying for a UK taxpayer funded bailout for his business.

    Go back to Knicker Island, Richard, and cry me a cyclone.

  496. Cargill April 23, 2020 at 6:08 am #

    Hey Majella – it’s fun to have the forum to ourselves when it’s the middle of the night in Seppostan. We should take the opportunity to run around naked, chucking brown-eyes at Republicans, burn the Stars&Stripes, smoke from the same bong, and sing raucous verses of The Internationale! Sounds great!

  497. Majella April 23, 2020 at 6:12 am #