The waters hate is blinding people from their best album.

I would never put this over DsotM, WywH, Animals or Meddle

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This album is one of my favourites but I have to be in the right mood. I dig it out about once a year and give it a proper listen. Embarrassed to say there are certain points that make me tear up every time I listen. Powerful stuff.

First, I don't hate Waters and never did. It's irrelevant anyway cause this album isn't even in their top 5. Good album though.

But but but The Wall

Fuck all that, we’ve got to get on with these

I like this album but it’s nowhere near their best.

This album suffers greatly from the lack of Rick Wright. It’s just sub-par.

This is the best PF album made in the 80’s. That’s the best I can give you.

Other than that it’s sitting at around 8-10 for me. The Big 4 and Piper make up my Top 5 and then OBC and Meddle beat it out. On a good day it beats out Devision Bell and Atom Heart Mother for the 8th spot. On others it’s sitting at 10. Not even close to being a bad album, but not their best either.

Not "their", but "his".

This post is probably just parody bait, but in what way is TFC even remotely their "best" album? Wright doesn't even play on it.

It's basically a Waters solo album with Dave & Nick playing on it.

Could anybody love him? Or is it just a crazy dream?

Such an emotional and sonically pleasing album

I wouldn’t call it their best but it’s really good and I really love it. Bought it when first released and still listen to it.

As a Final Cut fan this is nowhere near their best album, lol.

Are you insane?

Yeah, obvious trolling. But for a second there, i wondered why he was saying this was "their" best album when i was sure it was a Roger Waters solo album... i tend to forget that this was indeed published as a PF album... yikes...

I listened to this album constantly during the pandemic.

There must be a new definition of "best" which I am unaware of......

Great album. Barely Pink Floyd though.

I haven't stopped listening to Roger Waters singing -- just Roger Waters talking.

I know the name says Pink Floyd on the cover, but in my heart of hearts this is Roger Waters' first and greatest solo album.

Yeah… no.

Easily my least favorite album of 'theirs'.

It's just boring, it does absolutely nothing for me.

I have no opinion on waters as a person but this album is just not sonically pleasing to me

Overrated TBH

Not now John is a good song I suppose. As for the rest though…

i only enjoy two songs of this album, the last two in fact. The rest I just can’t enjoy. All just reminds me of the boring, slow parts of the wall (sonically, of course).

It’s honestly a GREAT album, and very underrated? but like everyone else said, it’s just not their best. Lol, I appreciate your sentiment, but that’s definitely a hot take.

You knew what you were doing with that title didn’t you

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This album does have a couple really good songs like the gunners dream and the Final Cut. Honestly don’t think the album is that bad but it definitely does suffer from the lack of Richard Wright. Musically it’s a huge step down from the wall. unfortunately for the album, There’s too much Roger Waters in Roger Waters.

'Best' is entirely subjective. It is pointless arguing over musical opinions. I love TFC. I don't think there is a weak moment on it from start to finish and it's probably in my top 3 all time albums from any artist.

But if you don't like it, that's fine. It's not a competition.

To me this album always felt like it was a contractual obligation fulfiller to the label and the put it together quickly, just to get through their contractual obligations. Roger always seemed to be complaining about the band and touring, his time was through.

Its one of their albums I listen to the most

The lyrics on this album remain powerful as analysis and protest against war and war mongering, and the racism and jingoism inherent in nationalism, especially the reactionary versions ushered in by Thatcher and Reagan, and which shape the neoliberal politics of the North to this day. Look at the dominant anti-union views that circulate among all these privileged politicians, most of whom had never had to even f--king clean a teacup in their lives.

And connecting it to personal circumstance is key to Waters's literary style. It's f--king brilliant. It's poetry.

And I wonder sometimes if the more explicit political stances taken up by Waters, and the more and more outright expression of male vulnerability, doubt and ambiguity (now adult, and not the teenage and young adult Pink of The Wall) - I wonder if these are the things that maybe unsettle the traditional Pink Floyd fan, more so than that The Final Cut is effectively a solo album.

Sure, you get some anti-corporatism etc. on Wish You Were Here and Dark Side of the Moon, and some nods to jingoism and group-think, but on The Wall and The Final Cut these themes become far more explicit in terms of lyrics. They're not expressed in general and vague terms - they're specific, they can be tracked down to time and place, and an individual life.

Don't get me wrong. I think the albums post-Barrett and up to The Final Cut are all superb albums (yeah, the Barrett era albums are also great), but I'd know less about myself and about the world (and about political art) if The Wall and The Final Cut did not exist. Far less. Whereas this would not be the case with Wish You Were Here and Dark Side of the Moon. But then again, I can't imagine life without those albums either...

I don't think this is close to their best album (I'd put DSOTM, WYWH, Animals, The Wall and maybe The Division Bell over it) but it definitely beats a lot of stuff too IMO like AMLOR, TER, Ummagumma, More, maybe Atom Heart Mother as well. It's good, but I think Pink Floyd did better records. But that's not to say it's bad, just not quite as good as some others in my opinion.

I don't hate Waters. I like his music alot.

But good as TFC is I don't think I would ever say its their best, or even on of their best, albums.

I think it's the 'Out-of-tune Meat Loaf' bits that tend to blind people

No, on both levels

Conversely, waters sycophantism is blinding people from their actual greatest albums.

I mean come on.... lol!

I am 100% convinced that people who who say this is the best album are trolling. No way anyone thinks this is better than DSOTM, Animals, or WYWH.

I’m not a big hater of Gilmore or Waters. I just likes it best when they both worked together and Wright contributed to the songwriting as well. This album has great lyrics, but just doesn’t have the musical greatness the others have.

It is a great album, but far from the band’s best album.

I have no hate for any member. I just hate the album lol

We waited with great anticipation after The Wall expecting something impressive. Instead we got this boring slog of an album. That actually made it a bigger disappointment.

It has moments, but so does Ummagumma, and it didn't follow a blockbuster.

I often revisit The Final Cut, thinking I must be mistaken, but Roger's solo work is better than this and so is post-Waters Pink Floyd. Just my opinion.

This album is so far away from their best album I don’t even know where to start . Your off your meds

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Hard disagree.

I don’t like Chris Brown as a person, and I still dislike his music.

I despise the racist ties to Pantera (constant use of the confederate flag in imagery, Phil Anselmo’s anti-Semitic words and actions), but I love the music.

Pink Floyd is my second favorite band of all time, and no matter how I try, I can’t get into this album.

Over time I really have grown to love this album. It’s in the shadow of its older brother the wall

If he only called Jeff Beck for this album, it would have been number 1 worldwide.

It's an absolute gem. Every track on it is 10/10

This album in my opinion is roger waters at the top of his game with a light but perfect performance from David gilmour. An amazing album. Wow 👌

It’s better than Momentary Lapse Of Reason, i’ll give you that.

Not the best but really underrated

This album was trash long before the Waters hate

Would rather listen to endless river

Every Roger song…

Starts song with some hip sound effect

Roger reads some poetry about his dead dad

Drones on until boom boom. The music picks up. Then boom. Roger screams.

Guitar or sax solo follows.

Back to Roger reading poetry

Ends with some sound effects.

Blinding people? Any half serious PF fan already has it. Anyone else wouldn't buy it no matter what.

Nah Gilmour better

You know, I was about to post a happy 40th to TFC on Facebook and decided not to because a) Roger has been such a dickwit lately, and b) some of the rants on the record come across as especially racist in the current context. Sucks what his big fool mouth is doing to the band right now.

Not their best, but good album. And measurably better than any post Waters albums.

Hmm not their best, but a lot better than all the uninspiring post-Waters stuff combined.

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I can’t stand Waters, either, and never really liked the guy. But I love this record and always have. It’s brilliant IMO.

This must be a Waters operative spreading disinformation. I love PF. The Final Cut sucks. Stop defending it. Uhhhh they have that good song....it's called to final cut because it ended upon the cutting room floor

This is one of the takes of all time

1. DSOTM

2. WYWH

3. The Wall

4. Animals

5. Meddle

6. Obscured by Clouds

7. AMLOR

8. The Final Cut

Dude this album is so bad, it made me retroactively think less of The Wall.

The Final Cut gets a lot of hate, but I love it. A lot. Not sure why it gets crashed on so much.

Personally, I care nonce. I am now making it my duty to crank this shit everywhere.

Come at me, haters.

Great album, probably the best anti-war album ever except from Amused to Death! Wouldn't say that it's their best album, but it's still a fucking masterpiece! Unfortunately, praising it in this sub is almost unheard of because it's dominated by hardcore Gilmour fanboys who are hating on Roger and all his work 24/7 and praising everything Gilmour does. Most people in here staunchly claim that AMLOR and The Division Bell are better than The Wall, that The Endless River is a masterpiece and not the cash grab it really was, that Roger played no important role in the band, that Gilmour alone is Pink Floyd, and that Polly Samson's lyrics are the best in the world and much better than Roger's. Hating on The Final Cut, Animals, The Wall and Roger's solo albums has almost become some sort of sport here, as well as posting personal attacks against Roger and spreading misinformation about him.

A Saucerful of Secrets? How?

Define “their”?

Spittin

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Rage bait?

Huge soft spot for this. I was sad to see how little even Floyd/Waters cared when the latest remaster shoehorned in "When the Tigers Broke Free" right in the best "shock" transition between connected songs in PF history ("One of the Few" into "The Hero's Return" with that WHOOSH/WHIP into that classic Gilmour echo-guitar figure). A lot of people say Pros and Cons is the better Waters moment of this period, but I think the vocal melodies on The Final Cut are perhaps Roger's best ever (including the rest of his vocals with PF), even if lyrically it's such a knee-jerk reaction (to the Falkland's conflict) kind of thing. Rog was inspired, even if the band wasn't in a place to want to develop it more (from all accounts, rightly so). It might not hold together like a classic Floyd album, but it has so many moments that I'll never write it off as an anomaly in "Floydian canon."

They disembarked in 44…

👍🏼 Love this album since my University years! And still love it! 💙💛

Not now John, we've gotta get on with this.

Maybe not their best in my opinion, but it sits in second spot on my list. A fantastic album.

Love his music hate his politics but it's NEVER kept me from enjoying any good pink floyd tune.

I’m a big Waters guy, but no

I like it a lot - good lyrics, nice melodies and some great songs (especially the closer). But as with Amused To Death I think it'd really benefit from Waters' new, more stripped down approach. The production is a bit over the top and I think it actually detracts from the album's intimacy. Some songs, particularly the title track and The Gunners Dream also rely too much on pauses and screams. Would love to see him reworking those.

Very good album. Not great.

I gave this a solid daily listen for about a year when it came out. Nope—not that good.

Very poor album

Get better drugs… best album??

Certainly underrated

you’re awfully bold to admit this here. I respect it, no sarcasm, but I doubt I’ll still be young by the time I find myself any closer to agreeing

Roger is goated but this album sucks so much, sorry but both conceptually and musically it’s subpar

I like The Final Cut, but nowhere near as much as most other PF albums. It kinda feels like a lackluster sequel to The Wall (likely because half the songs were supposed to be on The Wall in the first place, but weren’t good enough). On its own, it’s an 8/10, but by PF standards, it’s more like a 5/10.

No hate. I like almost all Pink Floyd albums, but my favorites are Atom Heart Mother, More, the Piper, so basically the early Floyd. I don’t think the Final Cut is their best.

Best album. That's funny

I think it’s a nice LP, but it’s not my top 5

Maybe lyrically but musically it's boring to me, same rehashed chords used over and over..Meddle/DSOTM/Animals has way better music IMO

I have Endless River in my Pink Floyd folder (minus one track).

I have the soundtrack albums in my Pink Floyd folder.

I even have the studio side of Ummagumma in my Pink Floyd folder, and I actually listen to it from time to time.

I do not have this album in my Pink Floyd folder.

Brilliant album. Turns the big four into a big five for me (Meddle is overrated as hell apart from “Echoes” and “One of These Days”).

Waters is still a massive, massive prick though.

As a brand spanking new Pink Floyd fan. This album is my absolute least favorite. Oh lord is it so preachy and whiny. Don’t get me wrong, I love a good anti-war sentiment. Linkin Park is my absolute shit and a lot of their stuff is anti-war. But The Final Cut is like the sequel of The Wall that lacked any of the qualities that made that album actually great even if it’s not my personal thing. This is Roger Waters at his worst.

I don't even think it's a top 10 Pink Floyd album, the only albums I'd put it over are More, Ummagumma, and Endless River.

I always viewed this as "The Wall: B-Sides you didn't really need from an imploding band."

It's dated production is ...almost... as bad as Radio K.A.O.S.

Some nice sincere stuff on the vocal/lyrical front from Roger though.

Definitely in my bottom 5.

It's not their album, it's his. And it's great!

What about this album makes it their best? There is no quality in it that wasn’t done more and better in their previous work.

It would be the best album If Wright and Gilmour were involved( more Gilmour contribution in this case)

I consider this the second best Waters solo album, ATD being #1.

It’s in the top 10 ;)