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20th April 2021, 08:44 PM | #201 |
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I know that. Just has today vous and tu continue to be used in modern French. With vous bring formal and tu being informal. Much the way thou and you was used in England for centuries. Beginning in the later half of the 17th century thou began to disappear from everyday use in spoken English and you began to replace it in informal usage. by 1750 thou was confined to only certain parts of England and had acquired a very old fashioned archaic image in the public mind, and was no longer used very much. Instead you was used and it largely lost it's formally formal sense.
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20th April 2021, 08:59 PM | #202 |
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The debate about how languages can be classified is rather complex. The bottom line is that English has lost a very large number of the gramarical features of German. For example along with masculine an feminine in German there is neuter. And German and French are fairly case ridden unlike English. And of course if you print a page of German and a page of French an average a English speaker will probably recognize more of the French words than German ones. And what linguists say is important in classifying language varies. Some do in fact emphasize vocabulary more.
I do agree that the basic framework of English can still be called Germanic, however the huge infusion of Latin and French into it ,in my opinion, make calling English a hybrid Germanic / Romance tongue partly true. Although I will not hold that as an absolute truth. |
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21st April 2021, 11:14 AM | #204 |
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It is what I read somewhere. Whatever. It is the largest ethnic group in the USA and twice that of the English. However, the English got there first, together with the Dutch, who lost an opportunity so English is the language spoken and it is firmly founded on Old English (Anglo Saxon).
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As human right is always something given, it always in reality reduces to the right which men give, "concede," to each other. If the right to existence is conceded to new-born children, then they have the right; if it is not conceded to them, as was the case among the Spartans and ancient Romans, then they do not have it. For only society can give or concede it to them; they themselves cannot take it, or give it to themselves. |
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As human right is always something given, it always in reality reduces to the right which men give, "concede," to each other. If the right to existence is conceded to new-born children, then they have the right; if it is not conceded to them, as was the case among the Spartans and ancient Romans, then they do not have it. For only society can give or concede it to them; they themselves cannot take it, or give it to themselves. |
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As human right is always something given, it always in reality reduces to the right which men give, "concede," to each other. If the right to existence is conceded to new-born children, then they have the right; if it is not conceded to them, as was the case among the Spartans and ancient Romans, then they do not have it. For only society can give or concede it to them; they themselves cannot take it, or give it to themselves. |
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As human right is always something given, it always in reality reduces to the right which men give, "concede," to each other. If the right to existence is conceded to new-born children, then they have the right; if it is not conceded to them, as was the case among the Spartans and ancient Romans, then they do not have it. For only society can give or concede it to them; they themselves cannot take it, or give it to themselves. |
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22nd April 2021, 12:17 PM | #216 |
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https://historyofenglishpodcast.com/
If you want to know the history of the language in depth, try this. The guy producing it planned to do the whole thing in 100 installments. It has not worked out that way. His plan was: 25 episodes on the Indo-european origins. 25 on old English 25 on middle English 25 on modern English. 145 down and he is still in middle English. The rate of new episodes has slowed over time and they got longer. |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GovL4US0A-Y , Republicans need to get away from people like John Hagee. They've caused more losses than any one issue. The good thing is when they divorce them selves from the religious right they'll be in fine shape.
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I suspect he will start speeding up as he gets closer to current times. Once dictionaries start showing up the subject will get less interesting. He did some other material on the origin of the alphabet. I have not heard that, however. In the main podcast there was a section on letters that did not survive merger between northern and southern England writing systems merging. We really should have kept the letter "thorn". The guy doing it is a lawyer from the US. Not much of an accent tracible to where he practices in South Carolina. |
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This OT tangent about Anglo-Saxon and the origins of English is much, much more interesting than the antics of a few stupid, ignorant Republican congress people.
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It does tie into other heated discussions here. From what I learned in the podcast it seems assigning genders to everyday objects mostly fell out of English because the Anglo-Saxons and the Danes had to be able to talk to each other. That led to old English getting simplified to get rid of some of the BS still found in other languages. The idea of gender = sex is not always seen in other languages because they still give genders to things that are not even alive.
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Y’all is one of my favorite terms. That, and ain’t. When we moved to Louisiana, my parents were adamant that we didn’t sound like southerners. One day in the car, my mum turned and yelled at me and my brother, “Ain’t ain’t a word!” We of course loved this.
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Or you can just go directly to the source...
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"Ain't" can be, of course, an affectation. I had a well educated co-worker who did that. So did Lord Peter Wimsey.
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