Wikipedia:Templates for discussion

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On this page, the deletion or merging of templates and modules, except as noted below, is discussed.

How to use this page[edit]

What not to propose for discussion here[edit]

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The majority of deletion and merger proposals concerning pages in the template namespace and module namespace should be listed on this page. However, there are a few exceptions:

Stub templates
Stub templates and categories should be listed at Categories for discussion, as these templates are merely containers for their categories, unless the stub template does not come with a category and is being nominated by itself.
Userboxes
Userboxes should be listed at Miscellany for deletion, regardless of the namespace in which they reside.
Speedy deletion candidates
If the template clearly satisfies a criterion for speedy deletion, tag it with a speedy deletion template. For example, if you wrote the template and request its deletion, tag it with {{Db-author}}.
Policy or guideline templates
Templates that are associated with particular Wikipedia policies or guidelines, such as the speedy deletion templates, cannot be listed at TfD separately. They should be discussed on the talk page of the relevant guideline.
Template redirects
List at Redirects for discussion.
Moving and renaming
Use Wikipedia:Requested moves.

Reasons to delete a template[edit]

Shortcut
  1. The template violates some part of the template namespace guidelines, and can't be altered to be in compliance.
  2. The template is redundant to a better-designed template.
  3. The template is not used, either directly or by template substitution (the latter cannot be concluded from the absence of backlinks), and has no likelihood of being used.
  4. The template violates a policy such as Neutral point of view or Civility and it can't be fixed through normal editing.

Templates should not be nominated if the issue can be fixed by normal editing. Instead, you should edit the template to fix its problems. If the template is complex and you don't know how to fix it, WikiProject Templates may be able to help.

Templates for which none of these apply may be deleted by consensus here. If a template is being misused, consider clarifying its documentation to indicate the correct use, or informing those that misuse it, rather than nominating it for deletion. Initiate a discussion on the template talk page if the correct use itself is under debate.

Listing a template[edit]

Shortcuts

To list a template for deletion or merging, follow this three-step process. The use of Twinkle (explained below) is strongly recommended, as it automates and simplifies these steps. Note that the "Template:" prefix should not be included anywhere when carrying out these steps (unless otherwise specified).

Step Instructions
I: Tag the template. Add one of the following codes to the top of the template page:

Note:

  • If the template nominated is inline, do not add a newline between the TfD notice and the code of the template.
  • If the template to be nominated for deletion is protected, make a request for the TfD tag to be added, by posting on the template's talk page and using the {{editprotected}} template to catch the attention of administrators or Template editors.
  • For templates designed to be substituted, add <noinclude>...</noinclude> around the TfD notice to prevent it from being substituted alongside the template.
  • Do not mark the edit as minor.
  • Use an edit summary like
    Nominated for deletion; see [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion#Template:name of template]]
    or
    Nominated for merging; see [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion#Template:name of template]].
  • Before saving your edit, preview your edit to ensure the Tfd message is displayed properly.

Multiple templates: If you are nominating multiple related templates, choose a meaningful title for the discussion (like "American films by decade templates"). Tag every template with {{subst:Tfd|heading=discussion title}} or {{subst:Tfm|name of other template|heading=discussion title}} instead of the versions given above, replacing discussion title with the title you chose (but still not changing the PAGENAME code).

Related categories: If including template-populated tracking categories in the TfD nomination, add {{Catfd|template name}} to the top of any categories that would be deleted as a result of the TfD, this time replacing template name with the name of the template being nominated. (If you instead chose a meaningful title for a multiple nomination, use {{Catfd|header=title of nomination}} instead.)

TemplateStyles pages: The above templates will not work on TemplateStyles pages. Instead, add a CSS comment to the top of the page:

/* This template is being discussed in accordance with Wikipedia's deletion policy. Help reach a consensus at its entry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024_January_4#Template:template_name.css */
II: List the template at TfD. Follow this link to edit today's TfD log.

Add this text to the top of the list:

  • For deletion: {{subst:Tfd2|template name|text=Why you think the template should be deleted. ~~~~}}
  • For merging: {{subst:Tfm2|template name|other template's name|text=Why you think the templates should be merged. ~~~~}}

If the template has had previous TfDs, you can add {{Oldtfdlist|previous TfD without brackets|result of previous TfD}} directly after the Tfd2/Catfd2 template.

Use an edit summary such as
Adding [[Template:template name]].

Multiple templates: If this is a deletion proposal involving multiple templates, use the following:

{{subst:Tfd2|template name 1|template name 2 ...|title=meaningful discussion title|text=Why you think the templates should be deleted. ~~~~}}

You can add up to 50 template names (separated by vertical bar characters | ). Make sure to include the same meaningful discussion title that you chose before in Step 1.

If this is a merger proposal involving more than two templates, use the following:

{{subst:Tfm2|template name 1|template name 2 ...|with=main template (optional)|title=meaningful discussion title|text=Why you think the templates should be merged. ~~~~}}

You can add up to 50 template names (separated by vertical bar characters | ), plus one more in |with=. |with= does not need to be used, but should be the template that you want the other templates to be merged into. Make sure to include the same meaningful discussion title that you chose before in Step 1.

Related categories: If this is a deletion proposal involving a template and a category populated solely by templates, add this code in the |text= field of the Tfd2 template but before the text of your rationale:

{{subst:Catfd2|category name}}
III: Notify users. Please notify the creator of the template nominated (as well as the creator of the target template, if proposing a merger). It is helpful to also notify the main contributors of the template that you are nominating. To find them, look in the page history or talk page of the template. Then, add one of the following:

to the talk pages of the template creator (and the creator of the other template for a merger) and the talk pages of the main contributors. It is also helpful to make any interested WikiProjects aware of the discussion. To do that, make sure the template's talk page is tagged with the banners of any relevant WikiProjects; please consider notifying any of them that do not use Article alerts.

Multiple templates: There is no template for notifying an editor about a multiple-template nomination: please write a personal message in these cases.

Consider adding any templates you nominate for TfD to your watchlist. This will help ensure that the TfD tag is not removed.

After nominating: Notify interested projects and editors[edit]

While it is sufficient to list a template for discussion at TfD (see above), nominators and others sometimes want to attract more attention from and participation by informed editors. All such efforts must comply with Wikipedia's guideline against biased canvassing.

To encourage participation by less experienced editors, please avoid Wikipedia-specific abbreviations in the messages you leave about the discussion, link to any relevant policies or guidelines, and link to the TfD discussion page itself. If you are recommending that a template be speedily deleted, please give the criterion that it meets.

Notifying related WikiProjects[edit]

WikiProjects are groups of editors that are interested in a particular subject or type of editing. If the article is within the scope of one or more WikiProjects, they may welcome a brief, neutral note on their project's talk page(s) about the TfD. You can use {{Tfd notice}} for this.

Tagging the nominated template's talk page with a relevant Wikiproject's banner will result in the template being listed in that project's Article Alerts automatically, if they subscribe to the system. For instance, tagging a template with {{WikiProject Physics}} will list the discussion in Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Article alerts.

Notifying substantial contributors to the template[edit]

While not required, it is generally considered courteous to notify the good-faith creator and any main contributors of the template and its talkpage that you are nominating for discussion. To find the creator and main contributors, look in the page history or talk page.

At this point, you've done all you need to do as nominator. Sometime after seven days have passed, someone else will either close the discussion or, where needed, "relist" it for another seven days of discussion. (That "someone" may not be you, the nominator.)

Once you have submitted a template here, no further action is necessary on your part. If the nomination is successful it will be added to the Holding Cell until the change is implemented. There is no requirement for nominators to be part of the implementation process, but they are allowed to if they so wish.

Also, consider adding any templates you nominate to your watchlist. This will help ensure that your nomination tag is not mistakenly or deliberately removed.

Twinkle[edit]

Twinkle is a convenient tool that can perform many of the posting and notification functions automatically, with fewer errors and missed steps than manual editing. Twinkle does not notify WikiProjects, although many of them have automatic alerts. It is helpful to notify any interested WikiProjects that don't receive alerts, but this has to be done manually.

Discussion[edit]

Anyone can join the discussion, but please understand the deletion policy and explain your reasoning.

People will sometimes also recommend subst or subst and delete and similar. This means the template text should be "merged" into the articles that use it. Depending on the content, the template page may then be deleted; if preserving the edit history for attribution is desirable, it may be history-merged with the target article or moved to mainspace and redirected.

Templates are rarely orphaned—that is, removed from pages that transclude them—before the discussion is closed. A list of open discussions eligible for closure can be found at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Old unclosed discussions.

Closing discussion[edit]

Administrators should read the closing instructions before closing a nomination. Note that WP:XFDcloser semi-automates this process and ensures all of the appropriate steps are taken.

Current discussions[edit]

January 4[edit]

Template:WikiProject Biography/category list[edit]

This is an unmaintained list in template namespace. It's redundant to Category:Category-Class biography articles, but if someone wants this kept it should be moved out of the template namespace as it is an unused "template". Gonnym (talk) 12:17, 4 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:WikiProject Canada Roads/taskforce[edit]

Unused after this edit. Gonnym (talk) 12:12, 4 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography/doc[edit]

Unused as Template:WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography uses the automatic documentation. Gonnym (talk) 12:09, 4 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:License migration is redundant[edit]

Redundant after the self template's migration to Lua :) Sohom (talk) 12:07, 4 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:WikiProject Law/portalbox[edit]

Unused after this edit. Gonnym (talk) 12:07, 4 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:WikiProject Film/B-checklist categories[edit]

No longer in use after this edit. Gonnym (talk) 12:00, 4 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:WPASIA10k[edit]

Propose merging Template:WPASIA10k with Template:WikiProject Asia.
A note can be added to WikiProject Asia's project banner which will avoid having a separate banner on talk pages. Previously discussed at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2021 May 10#Wikipedia article challenge templates but this template does not seem to have any obstacles to merging like others in that nomination. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:50, 4 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Positionskarte/Markierung[edit]

Unused sub pages of a redirect. Gonnym (talk) 09:48, 4 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Miss Universe 2004 delegates/doc[edit]

Unused as the template uses the better {{navbox documentation}} for simple documentation templates. Gonnym (talk) 09:38, 4 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Panamanian television schedules[edit]

Very recently created navbox with no blue links. I would normally let something like this breathe for a while, but it appears to be intended to link pages like Draft:2023–24 Panamanian network television schedule, which should not become an article per WP:NOTTVGUIDE. There is no hope that this navbox will be useful. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:57, 4 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Traffic volume top/TemplateData and similar subpages[edit]

No transclusions of these subpages. Not needed, since the TemplateData lives on the /doc subpage, per usual practice. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:47, 4 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Triviaaudit[edit]

No transclusions, documentation, or incoming links from discussions. Created in 2008. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:24, 4 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]


January 3[edit]

Template:The Africa Destubathon banner[edit]

Propose merging Template:The Africa Destubathon banner with Template:WikiProject Africa.
I propose this information be consolidated in the WikiProject banner by using a note triggered by |destubathon=yes. This would take up less space on the page, and this template would not be needed — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:21, 3 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Merge per nom. Less banner clutter the better. Gonnym (talk) 06:13, 4 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:WPAFR10k[edit]

Fits within the scope of WikiProject Africa, and this information can most conveniently be shown by using |AFR10k=yes inside {{WikiProject Africa}}, which takes up less space on the talk page. Therefore this template is not needed. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:59, 3 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Merge and oppose wrapper or redirect. There should always be a WikiProject Africa wrapper on a page that also has this one. So if we make it a wrapper or redirect we will end up with duplicate banners on the same page and then require another editor to clean up. Editors that want to use templates should learn how they should be used and learning the usage of |AFR10k=yes is the bare minimum. Gonnym (talk) 06:13, 4 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Agree with Gonnym (but I think you wrote "wrapper" when you meant "banner"? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:43, 4 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Static row numbers total[edit]

No transclusions. Created in 2021. This template may have been replaced by something that works better. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:44, 3 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Delete. Unused and not needed to add one class and a niche bold style. Jroberson108 (talk) 20:09, 3 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Delete. Per Jroberson108.

Template:ESPN Connecticut[edit]

Navbox containing just one link. It had just three links until this month, when two of the radio stations switched branding from ESPN to Fox. No longer useful for navigation. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:38, 3 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Removal-warn[edit]

Non-standard name for a warning template, and probably redundant to {{Uw-delete1}}. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:24, 27 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Move to a more standard name. This template is about warning someone because they removed sources, the other warning is about removing content. I think this would require a move. UserMemer (chat) Tribs 13:39, 31 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:23, 3 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Unused script documentation templates[edit]

The listed templates are very basic documentation pages for script templates. They are all now unused after I've replaced all of them with Template:Script/basic documentation which offers TemplateData, links to the relevant script page links and a consistent style. Gonnym (talk) 13:00, 3 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

By the way, Sutton SignWriting/doc is missing a TFD notice MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 19:25, 3 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks, added it now. Gonnym (talk) 06:16, 4 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:2024 Campeonato Paulista group tables[edit]

Single use templates, as each table is being transuded once onto 2024 Campeonato Paulista. As such, no need for template, as the tables can be subst and hard coded on that article. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:19, 3 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello,
I'm using the template on the team's 2024 season articles as well. Guilherme (talk) 11:21, 3 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]


January 2[edit]

Template:Delete FJC[edit]

No transclusions. The applicable categories have been deleted or are empty. The relevant bot has not edited since 2009. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:42, 2 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Delete. I was the main recent user of this template, and it no longer serves any purpose. BD2412 T 17:47, 2 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Year in Wales[edit]

Propose merging Template:Year in Wales with Template:Year in Wales header.
This relatively recent created template duplicates {{Year in Wales header}} (created in 2010 and used an almost all "year in Wales" articles, such as 2022 in Wales, except two). While {{Year in Wales}} has extra links, such as to year in football, it is only used for 2023 in Wales and the newly created 2024 in Wales articles. Best merged if possible. Unsure if the formatting of the border is a bit decorative. DankJae 15:13, 2 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Commuter rail in Surabaya[edit]

Unused. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:43, 26 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Keep. Removed in error pending revision (should have been commented out for the time being). Useddenim (talk) 05:47, 30 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Perhaps a notice should be added to the talk page, and a {{Under construction}} -- 65.92.247.66 (talk) 22:22, 30 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:43, 2 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Triglav Trophy[edit]

None of these seasons are stand-alone articles and simply redirect to Triglav Trophy. No need for a template in this case. Bgsu98 (Talk) 12:01, 2 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Seanad Éireann sidebar[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) Frietjes (talk) 16:23, 2 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This template is no longer in use, as they pages that formerly used it for navigation at the top of the page now have an infobox, e.g. Members of the 1934 Seanad or Members of the 25th Seanad. They also have a navigational box Template:Lists of members of Seanad Éireann at the end of the page. Iveagh Gardens (talk) 11:01, 2 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

delete as author. Frietjes (talk) 16:16, 2 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template or module's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Template:NRW Trophy[edit]

None of these seasons are stand-alone articles and simply redirect to NRW Trophy. No need for a template in this case. Bgsu98 (Talk) 11:00, 2 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Coupe Internationale de Nice[edit]

None of these seasons are stand-alone articles and simply redirect to Trophée Métropole Nice Côte d'Azur. No need for a template in this case. Bgsu98 (Talk) 10:26, 2 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Static row numbers no rank[edit]

At this talk page discussion (that is, the talk page of a related template), User:Jroberson108 aptly called this template like someone buying pre-peeled, repackaged bananas. It contains the following wikitext: class="static-row-numbers-norank " style="". It has no transclusions, and would not save any time if it were used. HouseBlastertalk 01:03, 2 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Static row numbers arrows[edit]

Propose merging Template:Static row numbers arrows with Template:Sorting row.
Same purpose as {{sorting row}}, but this version Breaks Things; see also Template talk:Static row numbers#All subtemplates should be deprecated or auto-substituted. HouseBlastertalk 00:59, 2 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]


January 1[edit]

Template:Pavel Roman Memorial[edit]

None of these seasons are stand-alone articles and simply redirect to Pavel Roman Memorial. No need for a template in this case. Bgsu98 (Talk) 20:04, 1 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Merano Cup[edit]

None of these seasons are stand-alone articles and simply redirect to Merano Cup. No need for a template in this case. Bgsu98 (Talk) 18:44, 1 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:ChemID[edit]

Following up from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Chemicals#Time to deprecate/kill ChemID?, this template is a pointer to a database that no longer exists as such. The few mainspace uses it had have been replaced by other sources. The remaining few uses are many-years-abandoned student-project drafts in userspace. DMacks (talk) 13:29, 1 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Being the creator of this template 13 years ago, I am fine with the proposed deletion. --Leyo 19:40, 1 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:THL seasons[edit]

Unused template. Mason (talk) 00:47, 1 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:THL divisions[edit]

Unused template Mason (talk) 00:44, 1 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]


December 31[edit]

Template:H-boat World Championship medallists[edit]

No longer used. Has been substituted on a respective article. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:10, 31 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Insignia of NZCF/CDT/SCC/FB[edit]

Unused. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:10, 31 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Norse status[edit]

Unused. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:08, 31 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Page 44[edit]

Unused and only two links outside the main article. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:07, 31 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Irish nationalism[edit]

Hijacked version of Template:Irish republicanism, so effectively double. Please salt after deletion. The Banner talk 13:52, 31 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Keep - Not at all. I initially went to broaden a separate template, {{Irish republicanism}} to include all the major nationalist parties, which was reverted; I've since gone to discuss this with the editor that made the revert.
Since then, I've created a separate template, {{Irish nationalism}}. I've already tried to explain that there is no reference in the republic template for example to e.g Fine Gael and the SDLP which are two major nationalist parties on the island of Ireland (reverted when I tried to add).
The republican template seems to be more focused on militant republicanism as opposed to nationalism in general. I'm open to discussions of course. Titus Gold (talk) 14:43, 31 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You only started the discussion after being reverted twice and the template being nominated for deletion. But seeing your discussion, you miss the differences between Irish republicanism and Irish nationalism. The Banner talk 14:57, 31 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Keep There is intersection between Irish republicanism and nationalism, but these are still different topics. One is a sidebar and the nominated template is a navbox. The first edit that I can see was the template was redirected to the sidebar to revert a vandal page move. This is a work in progress following the added material. I would argue possibly moving this into draft space so that whoever wants to work on this can and by the time all related links to articles about this topic are added and see if it warrants a navbox meeting the criteria of template policy but also if it merits navigating on articles related to the topic at hand. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:03, 2 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Comment: If Titus Gold would like to create an "Irish Nationalism" Navbox wholly separate to Template:Irish republicanism, I don't have a problem in principle with that, although I would encourage Titus Gold to become more familiar with the nuances of the topic of Irish Nationalism before creating said Navbox. I think Titus might be keen to fit Irish Nationalism into a uniform template of "Celtic Nationalism", but Irish Nationalism has many complexities that may fly over the head of those not intimate with it. For example, the difference between "Irish Nationalism" and "Irish Republicanism" is not simply degrees of militancy, it's a whole ideological difference of some significant within Irish politics, of which much academic work covers and explores.
WikiCleanerMan's suggestion of creating a draft before going live may be a good one. CeltBrowne (talk) 04:09, 2 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The template in its current form was only reverted once but in hindsight, I appreciate @The Banner that I could've discussed at a talk page rather than explained in the edit description initially. I'm open to suggestions on how the templates should differ.
@WikiCleanerMan yes, you're right that there are significant overlaps between Irish nationalism and republicanism. Perhaps both templates should have more clearly defined criteria?
@CeltBrowne - you make a good point here in the differences between the nationalism of these nations. I am very familiar with Irish nationalism and how it has differed historically (and continues to be different) to e.g Welsh nationalism and agree that these differences need to be reflected in the template. Open to suggestions on that. Titus Gold (talk) 17:20, 2 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ex-Major League Rugby squad templates[edit]

Teams no longer compete in Major League Rugby having been withdrawn, so squad templates no longer required Rugbyfan22 (talk) 11:34, 31 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:PSG sections[edit]

Unused as each article has infobox within the article listing all the departments. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:46, 31 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Solar System bodies[edit]

Already duplicates the main Solar System navbox by adding all hundred plus moons for planets past Mars and other objects like asteroids and comets. This is too bloated and doesn't serve a good navigational purpose. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:45, 31 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Decades in the United States[edit]

Unused and only four direct links with the rest redirects to article sections. No navigation. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:38, 31 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:GT3 Championships[edit]

Unused and the majority off all championship racing series links are already covered by other specific navboxes. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:29, 31 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

For the template being "unused", it's very new (made on 21st December 2023), and therefore hasn't been added to any articles yet.
It is also unfinished! JustCharlie99 (talk) 01:52, 31 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You're adding articles that are already covered by other navboxes. More navboxes are not the solution and this is already bloated. If this is unfinished we can move it to your userspace so you can work on it till it's complete. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 02:53, 2 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]


December 30[edit]

Template:Ethnostates[edit]

Probably too controversial to have for a sidebar or any other template format. All entries under the "Historical ethnostates" sections are just links to sections on the White ethnostate article which none have existed as they were attempts to do so but never came to be. Everything else is proposed states and just links to hate groups. Don't see the navigational benefit even when most of direct links to articles are already covered by other templates. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:46, 30 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Comment Just realized the creator has been permanently blocked for disruptive editing and the template was removed almost instantly when it was added to the main article. Still hard to see any benefit of use. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:48, 30 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Mordo family tree[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted as G7 by Pppery (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 04:05, 1 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Unused. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:42, 30 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template or module's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Template:Ashrafi Family Tree[edit]

Unused and no valid information exists on Wikipedia to denote that this is a prominent family in any context. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:42, 30 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Officer Ranks and Insignia of Finland (alternative)[edit]

Unused insignia templates. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:34, 30 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Keep for now: I created these, as the generic NATO country rank templates automatically created from the comparative template (see eg. Officer ranks) don't exactly fit the Finnish rank system in its actual usage (the source for the comparison is incomplete, slightly erroneous and has been supplemented by unsourced material and a proper STANAG 2116 revision including the Finnish ranks for a proper conversion has not yet been given out) - these are effectively a templated mirror of table on the page for the Finnish military ranks. While the aforementioned page uses the table itself for better editability, these are the only linkable template which have the correct division to general, senior and junior officers, omitting the incorrect OF(D) and officer student references (the Finnish Officer Cadet is an OF-1 rank, the Officer Candidate an OR-5 and Officer Student an OR-4 service rank); as well as the correct division to NCO and enlisted as well as omitting the actually nonexistent rank of Recruit. Until the correct conversion from the upcoming STANAG 2116 revision is available, the NATO template is incorrect and these templates created by me are more correct; the reason why I daredn't edit the NATO template is that it reflects the (however incorrect) sole source. XoravaX (talk) 15:47, 31 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:J3 League map 2023[edit]

Unused map. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:22, 30 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Indian Super League labelled map[edit]

Unused map. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:20, 30 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:2020–21 Premier 15s Table[edit]

Unused. All have been subst onto their respective article. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:19, 30 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Japanese football champions map[edit]

Unused map. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:19, 30 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:EDFL AbR[edit]

Nothing but a link to an article for a sports team. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:17, 30 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Insignia of NZCF/CDT/SCC/3B[edit]

Unused. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:16, 30 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Glaciers of Bouvet Island[edit]

Contains no links other than main article. No use here. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:15, 30 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Trump confirmations[edit]

Unused. Had been deleted before in a discussion a few years ago. A list table exists on the cabinet article about the time and process of the confirmation. We have no use for this anymore. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:14, 30 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:2012 Vodacom Cup Northern Section Table[edit]

Both unused after being substituted on the 2012 Vodacom Cup article. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:06, 30 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Echinopsis[edit]

Unused and most links are redirects with only two direct links. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:05, 30 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:2012–13 Rugby Pro D2 Table[edit]

Unused. Presumably subst onto article space. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:03, 30 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Massachusetts Area code maps[edit]

Just transcluding maps already used on article spaces on Wikipedia. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:59, 30 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:India topics sidebar[edit]

Unnecessary and unused sidebar. There are plenty of sidebars about India topics already. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:58, 30 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:State Great Khural composition[edit]

Unused single-article content. State Great Khural has a more detailed table. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:59, 30 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

That's reasonable. I will just use table for that page. Enkhsaihan2005 (talk) 15:26, 30 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Infobox meme[edit]

No transclusions, documentation, or incoming links from discussions. A template with this name has been deleted in the past. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:54, 30 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:San Diego Loyal SC squad[edit]

Club no longer exists and thus cannot have a current squad. Paul Vaurie (talk) 00:47, 30 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


December 29[edit]

Template:Kuraokami Faith[edit]

Navbox with just two blue links. Not enough articles appear to exist for this to be useful in navigation. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:11, 29 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Mongolian film list[edit]

No transclusions or blue links in this sidebar. It is difficult to imagine how this would be useful, given the limited content at List of Mongolian films. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:10, 29 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:250-3000[edit]

Unused navbox. This appears to have been superseded by the new {{.30-03 Springfield}}, created by FSbiran, instead of just being improved. We might consider a history merge. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:17, 29 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Coldplay songs/doc[edit]

This documentation is too small to warrant a subpage of its own. In fact, I already placed everything in the main page without any trouble. Many Coldplay-related things on Wikipedia are outdated, so as a newer editor and fan of them, I decided to take matters in my own hands and clean up everything. GustavoCza (talk • contribs) 00:56, 29 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Coldplay/doc[edit]

This documentation is too small to warrant a subpage of its own. In fact, I already placed everything in the main page without any trouble. Many Coldplay-related things on Wikipedia are outdated, so as a newer editor and fan of them, I decided to take matters in my own hands and clean up everything. GustavoCza (talk • contribs) 00:56, 29 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I can't recall a single time we have deleted documentation pages and I've probably read several years worth of TfD discussions. This is because they do absolutely no harm keeping around and having a discussion about it simply wastes time. Trialpears (talk) 14:03, 29 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I tried to use speedy deletion, since it is an uncontroversial decision, but other editors said I should open a discussion. I like to keep things tidy and without loose ends. In fact, I contributed to the deletion of some non-notable Coldplay items as well. GustavoCza (talk • contribs) 19:21, 29 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Delete. Simple doc templates like these are not needed anymore. {{Navbox documentation}} is the template that templates like this should now use. Gonnym (talk) 19:25, 3 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]


December 28[edit]

Template:Pyrausta (moth)-stub[edit]

Current name Target name

Propose renaming Template:Pyrausta (moth)-stub to Template:Pyrausta-stub.
Parentheses are unnecessary & don't conform to stub format conventions. Her Pegship (?) 19:48, 21 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

What are the stub naming conventions for topics that aren't the primary topic? Gonnym (talk) 12:17, 22 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Good question - I asked at WPSS and got no answer for this particular case. However, as there's only one exception in WP to the use of the term word "pyrausta" as a genus of moth - and that is a reference to a single legendary creature - I think in this case the parens are unnecessary. As for other stub types needing disambiguation in their format, usually those are geographical and distinguished by their ISO 3166-1 alpha-2 country code, for example {{Georgia-stub}} and {{GeorgiaUS-stub}}. Hope this helps. Her Pegship (?) 22:25, 22 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:35, 28 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Reported to AIV[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was Speedy delete. G7 Trialpears (talk) 22:29, 30 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Unnecessary and contradicts WP:DENY. AIV is a last resort for unambiguous vandalism; it's already too late for the person being warned. There is also a reason {{vandal}}, the reporting template at AIV, doesn't ping; see Wikipedia talk:Administrator intervention against vandalism/Archive 15 § Ping the vandal?. Lastly, this just invites the vandal to vandalize AIV and/or remove their report. Queen of Hearts ❤️ (she/they 🎄 🏳️‍⚧️) 22:07, 28 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Delete: Per nominator. We also don't need to send clear vandals directly to the page where they're being reported so they can try to delete the report before an admin comes across it. I don't see this realistically serving any good purpose. Bsoyka (talk) 22:11, 28 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Delete: Originally a one-off joke I made on a user talk page after being more than a bit pissed off, someone took it and made it a template. I tried to fix the template a little bit to avoid a speedy deletion, but QoH is right that the purpose of the template itself is counter-productive given the unambiguous nature of the situation - we don't want the vandal to check their case at AIV, or even to do anything for that matter. Informing vandals of their impeding doom, while cathartic, is still counter-productive if done at a large scale. ChaotıċEnby(t · c) 22:22, 28 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Delete: As the creator of the template, I can see how this template is counter-intuitive as it directly contradicts WP:DENY and serves as bloat on a person's talk page. When creating the template, I wanted to give users the chance to dispute a potential false report. Now seeing how most people on WP:AIV don't need this message, I think it's best if the template is deleted. ~~mAyLiNgOeEd (Talk to me!) (See what else I did on Wikipedia!!📜)
  • Delete: I can't imagine a scenario where this template would be useful. --Onorem (talk) 16:45, 29 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Delete per nom --Lenticel (talk) 00:58, 30 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Template:2023–2025 ICC World Test Championship Table[edit]

Unused standings table. 2023–2025 ICC World Test Championship has a table within the article that's better updated. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:35, 28 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:2011 Vodacom Cup Northern Section Table[edit]

Both unused after being substituted on the 2011 Vodacom Cup article. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:32, 28 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:CH-AG[edit]

All unused templates with nothing but an image file of the flags of Swiss Cantons and a link to the article on the canton. These templates aren't needed to transclude an image and an article link. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:24, 28 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Tonga squad[edit]

Prior to my edits in trying to update the template, this hasn't been updated in over a decade and the name of the template is too broad to know which national team this is for. This is for the rugby national team, but it's best to leave that to a squad list or other navboxes. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:15, 28 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Limited access[edit]

Propose merging Template:Limited access with Template:Mixed access.
I created {{mixed access}} in 2019 for basically the same reasons that Daask created {{limited access}} in 2020. I'm not sure it's appropriate to have two templates that do almost the exact same thing, but I'm not sure which icon is more appropriate here. Hence, I bring this to TfD. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 19:01, 28 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I think {{limited access}} has a slightly clearer icon since it's difficult to see that {{mixed access}} is very slightly open at the small sizes we're talking about. Trialpears (talk) 21:34, 28 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It appears that mixed access was undocumented at the time that I created Template:limited access. I may have ignored it because I didn't understand it. I don't recall.
I'm a little hesitant about the phrasing in Template:mixed access's current inclusion criteria, which includes a Freemium model, [or] uses a free trial. I would usually think of a free trial as {{closed access}} unless it implemented simply as a rate cap or uses browser cookies to remember prior views such that erasing cookies allows continued access. Similarly, I'm not sure mentioning a freemium business model is relevant the purpose of these templates. If a website wants to offer free access to an HTML version but charge for a PDF or audio version, I would still label that as {{free access}}, even though its a freemium model.
Thus I Support this merge proposal in the sense that I think Template:mixed access should become a redirect to Template:limited access. On the other hand, I'm not sure how much I trust that existing uses are actually using the same criteria that I would like for Template:limited access. It's probably not worth going through each transclusion individually. Daask (talk) 23:38, 28 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Daask: As mentioned below, there's only one remaining transclusion of mixed access (lack of documentation does that lol). A redirect would be pretty simple as a result. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 18:01, 30 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If the purpose of these templates is more-or-less the same, we should not confuse our readers by using multiple access indicators that have similar meanings. Which do our editors prefer? Which have they used most often in article space? Some search results:
{{limited access}}: 28 articles
{{mixed access}}: 1 article
cs1|2 templates support |url-access=limited – same access indicator as {{limited access}}; how many articles use that?
~28,900
Barring any compelling argument to the contrary, it seems clear to me that the result of this discussion should be:
  1. replace the single instance of {{mixed access}} in article space with {{limited access}}
  2. delete {{mixed access}}
—Trappist the monk (talk) 00:28, 29 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Trappist the monk: It's worth pointing out that {{Closed access}} does not use the same access indicator as |url-access=subscription, and {{Open access}} has no comparable access level value.
I believe I originally chose blue for {{mixed access}} because of this old RFC which suggested Green, Blue, Red for the three levels of access at the time. I'm not sure why that never got applied to {{closed access}} now that I think about it though.. It might be worth looking into for fixing that either way. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 18:20, 30 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I think that {{closed access}} is intended for a different purpose that I believe has no place in Wikipedia. I suspect that it and {{open access}} are intended to communicate the 'reusability' aspects of open access. If our readers or editors want to know if a source is 'open access', they should contact the publisher of the source because, no doubt, there must be some sort of contractual agreement between the reuser and the publisher; Wikipedia has no business inserting itself between those two parties nor should Wikipedia (by way of amatuer editors) make any judgements or declarations about the aspects of a source that may or may not be 'open access'. All we should care about is telling our readers that a source is paywalled, free-to-read, or may-be-read-if-you-jump-through-some-hoops. Were it up to me, to break the connection to open access, I would delete {{open access}} in favor of {{free access}} and delete {{closed access}} in favor of {{paywall access}}, {{subscription access}}, or somesuch.
But, this TfD is not the place to argue about these other templates so I'll shut up.
—Trappist the monk (talk) 19:13, 30 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@MJL I Support this merge to {{limited access}} because these two are pratically the same thing. They should at least be included in the same template and, should a difference still be decided, a template parameter can be included for variation, such as{{limited access | mixed= }}. — Alex26337 (talk) 17:08, 30 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Alex26337: I don't know how necessary that is. If consensus is just to redirect, then that's what I think we should go without introducing too many unneeded changes. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 17:57, 30 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Agree with MJL. This is an unnecessary addition imo. Trialpears (talk) 22:30, 30 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Susun Atur Platform KL Sentral[edit]

Unused, subst at Kuala_Lumpur_Sentral_station#Station_layout --Minorax«¦talk¦» 17:31, 28 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Yeni Malatyaspor squad[edit]

Blanked navbox due to its current level status. No longer notable in any sense to have a squad navbox for. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 14:07, 28 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:LGBT progressive icon[edit]

No transclusions, documentation, or incoming links from discussions. Without any of those things, it is unclear how this image is supposed to be used. Created in June 2022. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:07, 28 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Factotum comment link[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was moved to userspace of the creator. (non-admin closure) — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 14:14, 28 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No transclusions. Possibly an abandoned experiment, or superseded by a better method. Created in July 2022. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:05, 28 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Template:Namespace conversion[edit]

No transclusions, documentation, or incoming links. Created in December 2022. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:03, 28 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Muhammad Louqman sidebar[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted as G3 by ONUnicorn (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 18:13, 28 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No transclusions. There is no such series of articles. The one article about this person is a tiny stub. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:49, 28 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Speedy Delete as a hoax. I know, I'm !voting at my own TFD, but on further research into the history of the Mohammad Luqman page, I am convinced that that page, and hence this page, is a complete hoax. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:28, 28 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I've gone ahead and tagged it for speedy deletion given that this was just made up. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 15:45, 28 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Template:Map/Ports and harbours of Gujarat[edit]

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The result of the discussion was Withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Toadette (Merry Christmas, and a happy new year) 08:29, 4 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No transclusions, documentation, or incoming links from discussions. Created in the wrong place. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:46, 28 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Template:Century in topic[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was speedy move/userfy. Still actively being worked on by the creator (and only created a week ago); bit of an IAR close but I do not see a reason to drag this out. Primefac (talk) 14:16, 31 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No documentation, transclusions, or incoming links from discussions. Created only a week ago. OK to userfy if it is not yet usable or if the creator is experimenting. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:45, 28 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Jonesey95: I needed a template to generate bulleted lists of years (spanning decades or centuries) to include in templates like this one. Is there no other template that can do this? Jarble (talk)
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Template:Iraq squad 25th Arabian Gulf Cup[edit]

Nothing valuable. The 25th Arabian Gulf Cup is not under FIFA jurisdiction and also it is not a major football tournament; meanwhile the 2023 FIFA U-20 World Cup is run by FIFA but it falls to the youth category, not a senior event. As agreed by users, football squads can only have their templates if they represent for clubs or either coming to compete for any major senior FIFA-sanctioned tournaments. HiddenFace101 (talk) 10:08, 28 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Old discussions[edit]

December 26

Template:COVID-19 pandemic data/styles.css

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Propose merging Template:COVID-19 pandemic data/styles.css with Template:COVID-19 pandemic data/styles2.css.
This page has been deprecated for almost two years, and it is used only on the relevant /doc subpage. I think the time has come to merge the two templates. HouseBlastertalk 19:30, 26 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Don't merge, delete styles.css, keep styles2.css. You could have just asked on the talk page first. The styles.css page is a bunch of old and unused styles, as the doc indicates at Template:COVID-19_pandemic_data/doc. The styles2.css page is the new one I did, which was a complete redo that fixed a lot of stuff they wanted. The old one was left there in case someone needed it, which it doesn't appear anyone did and could be deleted. Jroberson108 (talk) 21:09, 26 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That is a much better idea. I support it. HouseBlastertalk 22:04, 26 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
We should, however, history merge the two pages together before deleting. * Pppery * it has begun... 01:22, 28 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:REM de l'Est

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Unused. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:12, 26 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Comment the version of REM de l'Est in the train route map template was cancelled, there are currently several different routes that have been proposed, but the entire project is in doubt. -- 65.92.247.66 (talk) 22:08, 29 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Keep. In use now. Useddenim (talk) 14:44, 31 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Putting it into use is misleading, as it suggests this is a proper route, which it isn't, since it was cancelled. This particular route plan especially, will never be constructed. All the alternative candidate routes do not use this, as none of them range further west than Honore Beaugrand (the candidate western terminus), which is in the middle of this proposed route, and not even on the other branch. Instead it should just be put into prose form as a paragraph for the proposed cancelled route, instead of a single use infobox. -- 65.92.247.66 (talk) 11:27, 1 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ideally, the diagram should show all the proposed routes. Useddenim (talk) 14:55, 1 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Athens Branch

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Unused. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:50, 26 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Keep. Now linked from North Bend Rail Trail. Useddenim (talk) 06:14, 30 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

December 24

Template:Election History in Pakistan

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Unnecessary template in which every link on it or at least the majority is already covered by other election templates for respective regions in Pakistan. Another template linking all other article elections isn't needed. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:42, 9 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 01:02, 17 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 16:06, 24 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:R from category navigation

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Propose merging Template:R from category navigation with Template:Category redirect.
Having two seperate banners on a category (e.g. Category:2000s establishments in Burma) seems unnecessarily duplicative. I think modifying {{category redirect}} so it can function like a mini-{{rcat shell}} makes the most sense, but would not oppose something like |navigation=yes. HouseBlastertalk 14:53, 15 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

If all these conditions can be met, then I don't see a problem, other than the time & effort spent to implement.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  16:00, 15 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
For clarity, I would support a merge following the four points above. @Tom.Reding: I admin I am not familiar with how {{Category series navigation}} functions, so I want to make sure I understand this correctly. Is there a technical reason something like 
{{Category redirect|Category:Example |tags=
{{R from category navigation}}
}}
would break {{category series navigation}}? HouseBlastertalk 16:19, 15 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@HouseBlaster: your example is not what I imagined when discussing a merger proposal. If you want to expand the functionality of {{Category redirect}}, then you should do so at Template talk:Category redirect.
For the record, {{Category series navigation}} does not need {{R from category navigation}}, just the categories tagged by it.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  16:37, 15 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Fair enough assumption. I brought this here because I would also support a traditional merge, and recalled a precedent for a similar discussion at TfD. Namely, in that discussion for {{vital article}}, many called for "merging" into banner shell but then made clear in their rationales they merely meant to place this template with the other WikiProject templates (link added), but there was also discussion about a traditional merge e.g. by adding a |vital= parameter. HouseBlastertalk 21:23, 15 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 16:05, 24 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Plastikspork: I see a thorough discussion and clear consensus: everyone here is in agreement that {{Category redirect}} shell {{R from category navigation}} and other rcat templates.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  16:30, 24 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:SSSIs Wilts biological

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I am looking to generate a discussion around deleting this template and network of related articles. I believe they don't meet Wikipedia rules nowadays. बिनोद थारू (talk) 04:07, 24 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

While the template could be renamed, I fail to see how this navbox violates any rule. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 06:20, 24 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I believe this whole set of articles, along with this template violate WP:NOTDIRECTORY (a Wikipedia policy):
Simple listings without contextual information showing encyclopedic merit. Listings such as the white or yellow pages should not be replicated. See WP:LISTCRITERIA for more information.
Take a random article from it, say Cloatley Manor Farm Meadows. Its only content is:
Cloatley Manor Farm Meadows (grid reference ST981910) is a 12.1 hectare biological Site of Special Scientific Interest in Wiltshire, notified in 1997. The site is managed as a nature reserve by Wiltshire Wildlife Trust.
You could argue that this information belongs in an encyclopedic list, but why justify having each one as a standalone article (and the template that links them)? बिनोद थारू (talk) 21:41, 24 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Then propose a merge to a list, see where that gets you first. If the list is deemed preferable to individual articles, then this can be deleted. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 23:49, 24 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No, as that discussion would have the same objective this one. बिनोद थारू (talk) 04:00, 26 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Keep for as long as at least six of the articles exist. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:40, 26 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Keep. This navbox is transcluded in 100+ pages, so is obviously useful. If the nominator thinks that the individual articles should be deleted, AFD is the right venue for that. If this template shrinks due to articles being deleted, it would be eligible for renomination at TFD due to those changed circumstances. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:28, 4 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

December 22

Template:Blockchain GS talk and other obsolete general sanctions templates

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It has been over three years since the previous TFD for these templates, in which everyone suggested deletion. The close allowed for some time for editors to get used to {{Gs/editnotice}} and {{Contentious topics/talk notice}}, which appears to have happened. None of these templates have active transclusions on talk pages. I think we have waited long enough and can delete them now. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:11, 22 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Delete/Redirect --qedk (t 愛 c) 22:04, 23 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • No objection. Don't forget about the /doc pages, though. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 17:46, 22 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    When pages are deleted the subpages are also deleted. Primefac (talk) 23:12, 22 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Don't really have an objection to deletion, but I wonder if we shouldn't just redirect the bunch to the appropriate Gs/CT template, and that way there isn't room at all for confusion? Vanamonde (Talk) 18:23, 22 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I don't have an issue with deleting them but my preference would be that they are replaced with redirects. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 01:02, 23 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Redirecting would be fine with me if people feel that it is valuable to preserve the pages' histories. – Jonesey95 (talk) 02:53, 23 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 19:39, 25 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Redirect per Vanamonde and Callanecc. My understanding is that while these are usually substituted, there's probably a lot of plain text or off-wiki links not counted in the stats. For bureaucratic processes, it's better to avoid link rot by pointing them to whatever process supersedes them for the same reason we tend to mark documentation with {{Historical}}. — Wug·a·po·des 01:42, 29 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Redirect Even though the edit history isn't particularly exiting someone may find a use for it. Also the link rot thing brought up by Wugapodes. Trialpears (talk) 22:44, 30 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Delete and oppose redirection. Redirecting specific templates to general ones that need parameters to cover the specific use is seriously misleading. * Pppery * it has begun... 02:41, 1 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Delete. Enough time has passed from the previous discussion for editors to get used to the new ones. --Gonnym (talk) 19:23, 3 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

December 19

Template:Infobox gender and sexual identity

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I'm deeply skeptical that there is enough structured data about genders and sexual identities to justify infoboxen. On some articles like Bi-curious this just wraps a flag. On others like Bisexuality it's just a flag plus a repetition of prose content from the article's lede sentence. When more detail is given, it's often original research or questionable takes, like Asexuality including demisexuality as a subcategory or Pansexuality having an ostensible "Parent category" of bisexuality (what???). Yes, these are fixable on a per-article basis, but the fundamental issue is the genders and sexualities are not cognizable things. They are vague ideas of human feelings and subcultures, no more suited for infoboxen than emotions or broad ideological movements. They cannot be reduced to simple metadata in the manner of, say, a person or country. Delete, replacing with flag images as appropriate. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|she) 12:34, 19 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

WT:LGBT notified. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|she) 12:51, 19 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Delete it seems this info-box too often becomes a WP:DISINFOBOX which aggressively attracts the marginally literate eye with apparent promises to contain a reductive summary of information; not all information can be so neatly contained. Like a bulleted list, or a timeline that substitutes for genuine history, it offers a competitive counter-article, stripped of nuance. As a substitute for accuracy and complexity, a box trumps all discourse. Zenomonoz (talk) 13:11, 19 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Also, it looks ridiculous having these info-boxes above two other sidebars, as on Asexuality. Incredibly distracting and takes away from the articles. Zenomonoz (talk) 13:15, 19 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    See also discussion here about disinformation and controversy and why it is still useful to have this infobox on these specific pages. ArcMachaon (talk) 01:05, 20 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose/Keep the infobox is useful, especially in gender identity articles. If there's disinformation in the infoboxes, then it should be removed or discussed in the article's talk pages. The problem here's not the infobox alone. MikutoH (talk) 19:15, 19 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Keep it can be very useful in the articles with third gender/non-Western genders. This is particularly (although not exclusively) the case where these genders are recognised by governments. I created the infobox when I saw an infobox for ethnicity used on Hijra to try to capture numbers as recognised by the Indian and Pakistani governments (amongst others), which all recognise a third gender on official documents (which I believe counters the narrative that these are like emotions or ideological movements). If you want to remove the infobox from specific articles where they aren't useful, that is something to do on a per article basis. ArcMachaon (talk) 00:48, 20 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    See also discussion here from 3 years ago ArcMachaon (talk) 00:58, 20 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Keep per MikutoH and ArcMachaon. Genders and sexualities are identities, they are not comparable to vague emotions or ideologies; there are numerous articles where this infobox is useful. HaiFire3344 (talk) 19:02, 22 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Delete per nom. I understand the argument for its usefulness on articles like Hijra (South Asia), but I do not agree with it. All the information currently in the infobox is done much better justice in the lead and body. The definition provided in the infobox not only is what should be covered by the very first sentence in the article, but is also a worse version of it (it doesn't mention the intentional community aspect of the identity, which seems quite central). I don't even understand what "classification" is supposed to be. I guess it's just meant to separate gender and sexual identities, but it seems completely useless. Synonyms can be better covered in prose, with eventual nuances and all. "Associated terms" is incredibly vague, and does not at all explain how they are associated, or what the nuances are. The demographics section is a mess, which makes sense because demographics of queer populations rarely are unambiguous. That the hijra are associated with South Asian culture should be clear from the first sentence or two. The figure for India says in a footnote that it applies to Southeast Asia, which according to our article doesn't even include India! It says they are "legally recognized" in several countries, but the body explains they do not have the right to vote! And saying they have "limited" protection tells us nothing at all. Overall, this template encourages useless and even harmful denuancing of information that inherently requires nuance. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 10:27, 28 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Delete per nom and others above; topic is very unsuited for infoboxes and as seen has tendency to oversimplify and be inaccurate. Crossroads -talk- 19:59, 29 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 15:14, 30 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Delete This infobox inherently simplifies concepts and deprives them of nuances. It is actively unhelpful for our readers. ~ F4U (talk • they/it) 19:55, 2 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Delete per nom and others. There's a pretty wide line where reasonable people can argue over the usefulness of infoboxes. This one is way on the wrong side of that line. Infoboxes work best for a well-defined set of articles that all share a fairly common set of non-generic summarizable data, which this case fails. Not surprisingly, it's a complicated, nuanced topic, and infoboxes like this tend to be not only useless, but actively misleading. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 16:48, 4 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Delete per nomination and others. This template serves little purpose that can not be met by just including a few more words in the lead. Log.base (talk) 21:51, 9 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Keep per MikutoH, ArcMachaon, and HaiFire3344. MarichanIsCute (talk) 23:33, 14 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Keep. The template provides a neat and transparent summary of the general characteristics at a glance. Any contentious content can be discussed in the article's talk pages and removed if untrue. I disagree with the OP's view of genders and sexualities as vague ideas of human feelings and subcultures. Sexual identity is not a subculture but a deeply ingrained concept of oneself. --TadejM my talk 12:26, 16 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Delete per those above. Zanahary (talk) 08:35, 17 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Primefac (talk) 14:12, 19 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Completed discussions[edit]

A list of completed discussions that still require action taken on the template(s) — for example, a merge between two infoboxes — can be found at the "Holding Cell".

For an index of all old and archived discussions, see Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/Archives.

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