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  • jwhit
    Junior Member
    • Jun 2018
    • 14

    Idle to full throttle help.

    350 Pontiac, bored .030" over, 9.5 comp, single-plane intake, also using full timing control Sniper HyperSpark ignition. My problem is from off idle to full wide-open quickly, I can see AFR go lean and engine coughs and sometimes cuts off. But if I start slow and then go wide-open it seems way better. Please provide help or advise please. I have a datalog,
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    Last edited by jwhit; 04-09-2024, 10:06 AM.
  • 81 TransAm
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2014
    • 2249

    #2
    Zip the file.

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    • Danny Cabral
      Administrator
      • Dec 2009
      • 36052

      #3
      Forum members will want to see your Config File downloaded from the ECU and a Datalog of this occurrence. Global Configuration Files (GCF) and Datalogs must be "zipped" (compressed zipped folder) in order to attach directly to a forum post ("Upload Attachments").
      Originally Posted by Danny Cabral
      For further assistance, post your Config File and a short datalog of this occurrence for us to analyze.
      Also, review the datalog and inform us of exactly where in the datalog (time/seconds) the problem occurs.
      Datalog & Global Files can be linked to a document hosting website. I use Dropbox.com.
      Files can also be "zipped" (compressed zipped folder) & attached directly to a forum post ("Upload Attachments").
      Your Config File is in the "Documents", "Holley" folder, "Sniper" folder, "Config Files" folder (.hefi file).
      Your Datalogs are in the "Documents", "Holley" folder, "Sniper" folder, "Data Logs" folder (.dl file).
      Someone will analyze/troubleshoot the problem & offer advice.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqHOtDNiTNA (How To Record & Email A Datalog)
      https://forums.holley.com/showthread.php?21942 (Holley Sniper EFI Save GCF On SD Card & Laptop/PC Usage, LINK - Page 73)
      Overlay the datalog onto your Global Config File (GCF), and pay special attention to the center paragraph in blue print:
      Originally Posted by Danny Cabral
      Quick Datalogger Information:
      Always provide data, not just symptoms. Is the AFR & ignition timing optimized? Overlay the datalog onto your Global Config File.
      Ensure the Target A/F Ratio table is properly programmed for your engine. Ensure the ECU is "Learning" (Learn Table LINK).
      Scroll through the datalog to the problem area. Then look exactly where this happens on the Base Fuel & Timing Tables. Scrutinize:
      RPM, MAP, MAT, TPS, CTS, IAC, Target AFR, AFR Left, CL Comp, Ignition Timing, Duty Cycle, Fuel Flow, Fuel Pressure & Battery.

      Using the Holley EFI software (LINK), look at where the live cursor moves to during this occurrence, and
      manually tune that area of the Base Fuel Table (enrich or lean) & Base Timing Table (optimize ignition timing).


      I find the most helpful datalog function, is overlaying the datalog on your GCF.
      I'm in the habit of using the datalog Overlay feature every time I review a datalog.
      Click on "Datalog" (on the top Toolbar), "Activate Overlay", then "Open Data Log".
      You can literally "playback" a recorded event, and watch it as it happened on any screen.
      Minimize (shrink) the datalog window, and move it to the bottom of any GCF screen.
      Then click & scroll anywhere on the datalog, and watch it playback on your GCF (EFI software).
      http://documents.holley.com/techlibr...9r10543rev.pdf (Holley EFI Datalogger Instructions)
      https://forums.holley.com/showthread...s-amp-Datalogs (Datalog Information - Read "NOTES")
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqHO...C6FEA0BB99AF17 (How To Record & Email A Datalog)
      https://forums.holley.com/showthread...7531#post77531 (Closed Loop Datalog Tuning - Posts # 2, # 4 & # 6)
      http://forums.holley.com/showthread....2523#post62523 (Read 4th & 5th Paragraphs - Smooth Fuel Graph After Transfer Learning)
      May God's grace bless you in the Lord Jesus Christ.
      '92 Ford Mustang GT: 385"/6.3L SBF, Dart SHP 8.2 block, Eagle 3.470" forged steel crankshaft & H-beam rods, Wiseco 4.200" forged pistons, Trick Flow Twisted Wedge 11R 205 CNC Comp Ported heads, 12:1 compression ratio, 232°-244° duration/.623" lift/114° LSA H/R camshaft, Trick Flow R-Series FTI Comp Ported intake, BBK 80mm throttle body, Holley Dominator MPFI & DIS, Holley 36-1 crank trigger, MSD 1x cam sync, PA PMGR starter, PA 200A 3G alternator, Optima 34/78 Red battery, 100HP progressive dry direct-port NOS, R134a A/C, Spal Dual 12" HP 3168 CFM fans, Frostbite 3-core aluminum radiator, Pypes SS dual 2.5" exhaust, SS off-road X-pipe, SS shorty headers, OEM smog pump converted vacuum pump, Earl's -6AN fuel system plumbing, Walbro 255 LPH in-tank pump & Pro-M -6AN hanger, S&W subframe connectors, BMR upper & lower torque box reinforcements, highly modified Ford 4R70W transmission, FTI 9.5"/3000 stall/triple disc TCC, B&M Hammer shifter, Stifflers trans crossmember & driveshaft safety loop, FPP aluminum driveshaft, FPP 3.73 gears, Cobra Trac-Lok differential, Moser 31 spline axles, '04 Cobra 4-disc brakes, '93 Cobra booster & M/C, 5-lug Bullitt wheels & 245/45R17 M/T Street Comp tires.

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      • GPatrick
        Senior Member
        • Dec 2018
        • 4057

        #4
        We need you to download your Config File from the Sniper. Use the Save As and rename the Config File as this will ensure we are seeing the actual Config File in Sniper memory. The Sniper does not actively maintain the tune on the SD card, so it must be downloaded.

        If you have not corrected the always bad Sniper default Base Timing Table, you need to correct the low RPM low vacuum (high kPa) region. This can often create throttle issues. Review this article: https://www.efisystempro.com/efi-pro...timing-control

        A new Sniper tune rarely does well with WOT stabs. The system will go into Open Loop, and since you probably do not have a well developed Base Fuel Table, the result can be poor operation. Slow steady throttle applications initially will help the system Learn and modify the Base Fuel Table. The full four barrels provide a lot of air for your engine, and in some cases too much air too quickly. If you do searches on poor operation when mashing the throttle you can also find some of the resolutions.

        Once you zip and upload your Config File and your datalog we can overlay and see what's happening. Any excessive lean condition with heavy throttle application can cause engine damage, so adjust your testing methods until you have the system properly configured. No Learning occurs when the system is in Open Loop, so it's not going to Learn its way out of your problem area with WOT throttle applications.

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        • jwhit
          Junior Member
          • Jun 2018
          • 14

          #5
          Here's two datalogs and Config File car has been run a few hundred miles and Learn Table copied into Base Fuel Table and I've worked out my own Base Timing Table that's been working great. I guess I never did any WOT stabs while I was letting it Learn. I did last night go out and do about 15 WOT stabs and it seems to be getting a little bettter. I hope that's a sign that Learning is working?
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          • Danny Cabral
            Administrator
            • Dec 2009
            • 36052

            #6
            Originally posted by jwhit View Post
            I hope that's a sign that Learning is working?
            Look at your Learn Table in the Sniper EFI software.
            May God's grace bless you in the Lord Jesus Christ.
            '92 Ford Mustang GT: 385"/6.3L SBF, Dart SHP 8.2 block, Eagle 3.470" forged steel crankshaft & H-beam rods, Wiseco 4.200" forged pistons, Trick Flow Twisted Wedge 11R 205 CNC Comp Ported heads, 12:1 compression ratio, 232°-244° duration/.623" lift/114° LSA H/R camshaft, Trick Flow R-Series FTI Comp Ported intake, BBK 80mm throttle body, Holley Dominator MPFI & DIS, Holley 36-1 crank trigger, MSD 1x cam sync, PA PMGR starter, PA 200A 3G alternator, Optima 34/78 Red battery, 100HP progressive dry direct-port NOS, R134a A/C, Spal Dual 12" HP 3168 CFM fans, Frostbite 3-core aluminum radiator, Pypes SS dual 2.5" exhaust, SS off-road X-pipe, SS shorty headers, OEM smog pump converted vacuum pump, Earl's -6AN fuel system plumbing, Walbro 255 LPH in-tank pump & Pro-M -6AN hanger, S&W subframe connectors, BMR upper & lower torque box reinforcements, highly modified Ford 4R70W transmission, FTI 9.5"/3000 stall/triple disc TCC, B&M Hammer shifter, Stifflers trans crossmember & driveshaft safety loop, FPP aluminum driveshaft, FPP 3.73 gears, Cobra Trac-Lok differential, Moser 31 spline axles, '04 Cobra 4-disc brakes, '93 Cobra booster & M/C, 5-lug Bullitt wheels & 245/45R17 M/T Street Comp tires.

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            • jwhit
              Junior Member
              • Jun 2018
              • 14

              #7
              I Transfer Learning To Base every few weeks.

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              • jwhit
                Junior Member
                • Jun 2018
                • 14

                #8
                Probably the wrong way to fix it, but only thing I could think of to fix it, I made about 15 runs going from idle to wide open throttle, and then copied Learn file into the base file. Did this two times and now I have some improvement, but not perfect yet. I'm open for any help. Thanks.

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                • Danny Cabral
                  Administrator
                  • Dec 2009
                  • 36052

                  #9
                  The Learn Table is a modifier of the Base Fuel Table. These two tables actually function together as one, because the Learn Table values are directly applied to the Base Fuel Table. The Learn Table just indicates how much the Base Fuel Table has been altered (modified). The Base Fuel Table values don't change, unless you Transfer Learning To Base (which then allows you to blend the Fuel Graph so it's smooth). It's the Learn Table itself, that contains constantly changing values. When the Learn Table values stop making significant changes, the ECU is finished self-tuning. The purpose of the Learn Table is not to achieve similar values, high/low values (0% or 100%), or any value in particular. It's simply indicating the amount of tuning applied to the Base Fuel Table. Read this thread (LINK), that's what it's all about.
                  May God's grace bless you in the Lord Jesus Christ.
                  '92 Ford Mustang GT: 385"/6.3L SBF, Dart SHP 8.2 block, Eagle 3.470" forged steel crankshaft & H-beam rods, Wiseco 4.200" forged pistons, Trick Flow Twisted Wedge 11R 205 CNC Comp Ported heads, 12:1 compression ratio, 232°-244° duration/.623" lift/114° LSA H/R camshaft, Trick Flow R-Series FTI Comp Ported intake, BBK 80mm throttle body, Holley Dominator MPFI & DIS, Holley 36-1 crank trigger, MSD 1x cam sync, PA PMGR starter, PA 200A 3G alternator, Optima 34/78 Red battery, 100HP progressive dry direct-port NOS, R134a A/C, Spal Dual 12" HP 3168 CFM fans, Frostbite 3-core aluminum radiator, Pypes SS dual 2.5" exhaust, SS off-road X-pipe, SS shorty headers, OEM smog pump converted vacuum pump, Earl's -6AN fuel system plumbing, Walbro 255 LPH in-tank pump & Pro-M -6AN hanger, S&W subframe connectors, BMR upper & lower torque box reinforcements, highly modified Ford 4R70W transmission, FTI 9.5"/3000 stall/triple disc TCC, B&M Hammer shifter, Stifflers trans crossmember & driveshaft safety loop, FPP aluminum driveshaft, FPP 3.73 gears, Cobra Trac-Lok differential, Moser 31 spline axles, '04 Cobra 4-disc brakes, '93 Cobra booster & M/C, 5-lug Bullitt wheels & 245/45R17 M/T Street Comp tires.

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                  • jwhit
                    Junior Member
                    • Jun 2018
                    • 14

                    #10
                    Thanks for the information. Can you advise of somthing I should try to change to help with issue? I wasn't sure if enrichment settings would help, so I didn't change anything since the car runs great except for WOT stab.

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