PartSkeptic

The African versions of various natural life forms often seem to be the tough and nasty versions. Like the killer bee, Ebola and HIV.

This afternoon I heard an impassioned plea from a nurse who says this new SA strain of Covid is nasty. Apparently much more infectious, hence the sudden rapid spread here (no need for cell EMFs to amplify it ).

A much more infectious virus probably means it grows faster. If it grows faster, it spreads faster, but that also means that it can overwhelm a person quickly. Young people are now getting infected probably because viral loads are higher with a quick growth. Just thinking logically. We will have to wait and see.

The Whatsapp plea said that most of the hospitals in the Joburg area are starting to overflow. (She also said she was seeing cases of infected one day and dead the next.) This was confirmed by a person we know who works at a doctors office. They were suddenly struggling to get people into any of the hospitals, and patients were arriving in numbers.

Sooooo. Is this the deadly second wave I was saying is going to come? Or are we in for more mutations down the road. I see that there is some concern from the US and UK about this variant. The UK visitors that were here had their direct flights cancelled but were allowed in on indirect flights provided they quarantined.

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turingtest

The African version of the woo-slinger seems to also be a tougher, more reason-resistant version of the usual thing.

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Cosmic Yak

Killer bees aren't African.

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Matthew Ellard

Bingo!

God really doesn't like people who use pagan tarot cards

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abaddon

Do you really have your own imaginary version of reality?

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bruto

Also, apparently, the virulent African variant.

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turingtest

Marlin Perkins-
Actual quote, only minor changes made.

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JayUtah

Good thing it wasn't the anaconda episode.

PartSkeptic

Yes. I am tough and persistent. Probably the reason God decided I could pass on the message. However, I realize that without help from God it will not happen. I presume then there are reasons for that which I cannot yet figure out.

As for reason-resistant, you are reflecting on yourselves. When challenged to put up a rational argument, posters are responding with arbitrary insults.

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PartSkeptic

You did not Google it first. Not did I, but my memory is still okay on many things. Before your time?

https://www.si.edu/spotlight/buginfo/killbee

Africanized Honey Bees (=Killer Bees) are dangerous because they attack intruders in numbers much greater than European Honey Bees. Since their introduction into Brazil, they have killed some 1,000 humans, with victims receiving ten times as many stings than from the European strain. They react to disturbances ten times faster than European Honey Bees, and will chase a person a quarter of a mile.

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PartSkeptic

So the scientific method was "invented"? Now can you prove that the scientific method is the ONLY one that can validate facts? (or do you have to use the scientific method to do your proof?)

Or is that just a matter of convenient consensus. It is conveniently accepted on faith by atheists? What happened to logical philosophical arguments and conjectures with regard to the purpose and origin of life?

Oh, yes. Not a matter for scientists to discuss. They just do not know.

I have seen 3 Covid cures denounced by science as fake. Steam, anti-inflammatory drugs and colloidal silver. Yet, when I research them, I see "experts" make a pronouncement. No proof and no science. They are the high priests of science, so of course they must be right.m No different to all the fake prophets atheists complain about.

One expert said "one must lower fever temperatures because high temperatures are bad for the body." WHAT? How? Where does she give an example of such studies? Show me one study that let fevers run their course and where the body temperature got past the natural limit - ie one that did damage of some sort.

Another study (probably widely quoted) said "Steaming benefits are outweighed by the burns caused. We examined a number of cases of steam inhalation scalding and burns." I read through the study quickly and could not see what damage was been done. Then I went case by case and noticed that the area of damage was "legs" and "feet" and "arms". Although not stated, the damage done could only have been done by tipping over the pot of boiling water being used. What a misleading study. Why did they not explicitly make this clear, instead of repeatedly using the phrase "steam inhalation scalding"?

And of course silver. Articles often say "The FDA has banned proponents from falsely claiming benefits." I also hear the logic "Silver is a heavy metal" (true). "Heavy metals are harmful." (false - some heavy metals such as lead and mercury are, and blue men due to severe overdosing is a harmless side effect). Only now, that Covid is forcing universities to consider silver, is anyone doing anything. There is no profit for Big Pharma and so no incentive to study it, except for hollow pseudo studies that miss the point.

Science is getting treated with the mistrust it is earning from abuse by government and big Corporates. Support for science by atheists as the new religion also causes distrust.

Well, God aims to change that. Note the distrust of the ruling elite seen in the storming of the Senate. His planned chaos is spreading like Covid.

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Pixel42

It's the only way I know to carefully and methodically eliminate the effect of our cognitive biases. That's what it's chiefly for. If you know any other way of doing so, by all means describe it.

Subjective validation is not a God given talent, it's one of several sources of possible error that have been hard wired into the way our brains work by natural selection. Those sources of error have to be eliminated before anyone, including you, can reliably conclude that a pattern or correlation you think you see is really there. Again, if you know a way of doing that other than by the careful application of the scientific method, let's hear it.

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Cosmic Yak

If you'd read your article properly, you would have seen that it proves my point.
Africanised honey bees are a hybrid of African and European bees, created in Brazil. They did not evolve naturally in Africa, which was what you were saying. And, yes, I knew this before I posted it. (Strangely, that's why I posted it).
What comes before a fall, PartSkeptic?

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JayUtah

Nonsense. When presented with a rational argument, you complain that it's too long for you to read. Actual insults are not allowed here, and would be subject to moderation.

PartSkeptic

I said that I thought Joe Biden may not be sworn in. But I am curious to see how he handles the first 100 days.

It was my feeling that Georgia would be won by the Democrats. This was because I feel that because God's plan is more chaos, Joe will make things worse. I am not Dem or Gop. The US has lost its way with special interests.

Biden flip flops and that will be a disaster. If KH takes over then that will be more issues.

Interesting times.

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JayUtah

Straw man, and gibberish. The scientific method is the overall best way to test certain hypotheses, chiefly those that arise to describe the behavior of the physical world. As Pixel42 challenges you: name a more accurate and effective one.

No. My colleagues include several people of deep faith. They accept the scientific method, along with their atheist colleagues, because it has a proven track record of generating predictive theories when proper observation is available.

Or more properly, do not care. As to the origin of life, there is a considerable body of knowledge to describe how life arose on Earth, how speciation occurred, and many of the questions we have about it. As to the purpose of life, aside from the philosophical aspects, there doesn't seem to be one aside from its own perpetuation.

That various people have assigned a purpose to life based on their beliefs in the supernatural concerns science only insofar as scientifically testable proof for that supernatural cause or origin can be brought to bear. If it cannot, science is not obliged to conflate those beliefs with what can be observed, deduced, and theorized.

You seem to be complaining that philosophy and science are different pursuits.

The quality of your "research" on other topics leaves much to be desired. If you would care to discuss specific statements made by the so-called "high-priests of science," then provide the citations to them so that we can all be on the same page. I do not trust your ability or willingness either to discover what scientific authority actually says on a subject, or to represent it accurately.

Please cite the evidence that supports this claim. You have in the past chosen to associate yourself with people who distrust science for various reasons, and you seem to obtain your understanding from them of what the scientific claims and their basis are. Do not mistake your clearly partisan attitude for dispassionate judgment.

No, science is not a religion. Atheists are not seeking religion. They do not treat science as a religion. Scientific methodology is held up instead as a substitute for religion, it being based instead on careful and systematic observation, testing of evidence, ongoing review, and ongoing retest. It is the atheist view that this is a more accurate way of attempting to understand the physical world than the religious approach of just making stuff up.

You have no proof of a god, and no proof that you speak for one if there is one. The attempted coup was directly incited by Donald J. Trump, the epitome of the ruling elite. It has nothing to do with a god.

JayUtah

Shifting goalposts. You insinuated a prediction that Biden would die before being sworn in. Then you backed away from it when it seemed it would not come true.

...you say after the fact.

In what ways? Be specific. Either make testable predictions or quit pretending to be a prophet.

Specifically what issues?

varwoche

Did you express this feeling prior to the election?

I have all sorts of thoughts / feelings about all sorts of topics. I could wrack up false positives endlessly if I were so inclined.

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Spektator

Believers, it's time for the Magic 8-Ball's weekly prognostication (all of them accurate so far).

Q: Should the people of the United States hold President Trump responsible for the violent invasion of the Capitol and the attendant deaths?
Magic 8-Ball: You may rely on it

There you go. I don't know what tarot says about that. No sane person would believe what a pack of pasteboard rectangles might say, anyhow.

turingtest

Oh please, mother. I responded directly to your "good question" post (on the previous page), asking a series of questions intended to further a discussion of your claims and ideas- kind of the purpose of this forum, eh?- and your response was- what? Why, none at all- as is your wont, you went off on another of your weird tangents with the "African bees" thing, and just ignored my post and the questions altogether. So my response to that was ridicule- the forum does, after all, allow for "lively" discussion. Now if you think the ridicule amounted to insult, all I can say is "report it"- as Jay has said (I think), this resort to whining about being insulted but refusing to do any more than that about it is a cheap rhetorical trick. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen; if you're gonna stay, cook, and stop complaining about the flavor of the soup you're being served.

I mean, for pity's sake- for someone who has said several times variations on "too busy to read [on-point] posts," you sure do seem to find the time to write plenty of pointless, wandering posts of your own.

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Pixel42

That anyone would predict with an apparently straight face that Boring Biden will cause more chaos than Trump after the last four days, and indeed the last four years, boggles the mind.

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PartSkeptic

Wait and see.

I do not see Biden trying to heal the nation and bring both sides together. He is letting the extremist element in the Dem party rip into the other half of the country. Division and chaos. Just what God wants. He just has to step back and let Satan enjoy himself for a while before reigning him in. Covid will spread faster.

The Infinite Intelligence is getting just what it wants - entertainment.

The USA is in turmoil and that might lead to war. I cannot predict if and when that might happen. But the ongoing turbulence is going to expose weaknesses of the scientists and the elite. Only that way can a spiritual revolution also take place.

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PartSkeptic

I am ambivalent. There was not a clear sign, and the cards would not give an answer. But there are a few days left. Emotionally, I would prefer to see Biden do a few months to see what happens. I see others speculating about his health. I do not care to be either right or wrong on this one.

With the emotion in the country, Biden could fall victim to an attack. Presumably the secret service are more adept than the palace guards (er, capitol police, I mean).

My health has improved a lot. A religious man would say my prayers have been answered. I seem to have found a balance of medication that at least gets me through the day and able to work physically and mentally. A big part seems to be an increase my anti-fungal medication. I hope that is not a sign that the fungus is becoming resistant. If it is, then it is a serious problem because there is no other medical fix.

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Pixel42

Whereas that is what Trump would have done, based on the last four years?

Give me a break.

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Spektator

Your weekly Magic 8-Ball reading:

Will a Biden administration help bring the nation together?

Magic 8-Ball: "As I see it, yes."

JayUtah

I don't care what your excuse is for not committing to a position when asked. You are acting exactly like every other fake prophet.

JayUtah

For example?

Can't resist the constant digs at science, can you? Even when it's clumsy to work into the dialogue. And you haven't seemed yet to figure out that Donald Trump, whom you seem to be defending, is the very elite you seem to want to despise.

wea

Finally something we can agree on

Mojo

Where have you been for the last four years?

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bruto

Bringing both sides together is a nice trope, but if one of the sides is the side that desires the overthrow of the government and the installation of a mendacious dictator, as they have shown they do, then it is not what is needed, any more than it was appropriate for the revolutionaries of 1776 to mollify the king, or the Union to mollify the Confederacy, or for anyone to declare that giving tyrants what they want is "peace in our time."

Right now the criminals facing prosecution are threatening to do more crimes if they aren't now given a free pass to keep right on doing it until they succeed in demolishing the Union. Saying "no" to that is not extremism, it's common sense.

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Cosmic Yak

If your prayers were effective, you would not need medication.

Crediting the beneficial effects of medicine to prayer is dishonest and obviously wrong.

If your prayers were effective, fungal resistance to medication would not be 'a serious problem'. In fact, it would not be a problem at all.

Where do you stand on evolution, by the way?

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abaddon

Did god do it or did the medication do it?

If gawd did it then you can chuck all the meds, right? God will
do it anyway, so you need no meds, right?

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Ooops, double. deleted.

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God "OK I'm bored. Lets drown all the innocent children with a big flood. That should be entertaining!"

God "I'm bored again. Let's knock up that virgin with my bastard child. That should be fun"

God "That was boring. How about I have my bastard son whipped, nailed to a tree and poked with a spear till he croaks".

God "I'm bored again. How about some terrible diseases to kill off children again."

Thanks, Partskeptic, for helping us understand God's motive.

Spektator

Magic 8-Ball time! After I made a burnt offering of this morning's toast (somehow the toaster lever got shoved all the way over), I dedicated it to the phantasmic forces governing the revered 8-Ball and asked, "When a failed seer makes a prediction on the Internet and it doesn't come true, will the failed seer frankly admit he/she was wrong?"

The 8-Ball's answer: "Don't count on it."

So true, Eighty. So very true.

PartSkeptic

For those who claim I am pushing a conspiracy theory (emf harm) you are wrong.

For those who claim I am pushing a conspiracy theory (media silenced by industry) you are right.

https://ehtrust.org/the-massive-scie...ed-by-the-fcc/

I posted that I was doing quite well. The last week that has changed. I am nauseous, brain fog, debilitated, fatigued, stomach pains and having diarrhea.

So what changed? I have been following the routine that I know does work. Same diet, same pills at the same time. I noticed that I was worse off after I had gone to my wife's factory to repair a machine, and also do some errands like going to the bank.

Cell tower radiation is what has changed. I am not going out this weekend so I can recover. It take 3 to 7 days.

https://www.sej.org/publications/fea...vDzgpq32CozEXc

I started having debilitating cognitive lapses, pressure headaches, nausea...

...By late May, I could not sit down at any keyboard without losing my ability to work within minutes.

�What changed before this began?� one doctor asked me.

...often left me so impaired it took days to recover.

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PartSkeptic

One day after Biden's inauguration, troop roll into Syria from Iraq. Obama's war record was not good. Many drone strikes.
https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/inter...t-syria-report

My impression of Biden in the last few days was good. But what worries me is that he is a politician who says the right things but not does not necessarily do the right things. His son Hunter is an example.

The stimulus bills come with so much pork that they could be problematic. He should stimulate the economy by projects that will give people employment. Handing out money that the elite take advantage of is not good.

My prediction of more problems is based on my message from God that the population is going to be decreased. Trump was part of that, and now Biden will amplify the chaos. We only have to wait 1 year, not four.

The first 100 days will be interesting.

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PartSkeptic

The Infinite Intelligence is not God! God was made good and Satan was made evil. You can pick your side.

And how about all those video games, movies and TV show with horror and gore? Just a game you say? Well, what do you think the Universe is. It is just a Dream, a Game.

Science will not win when God decides the pandemic must win. Who predicted it would get so bad? (Apart from me). Not the scientific community who advise governments. Otherwise the preparation would have been intense. Heck, they did not even believe a pandemic was forming until it was too late.

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Pixel42

You mean you've finally done some properly blinded tests which showed a statistically significant correlation between your symptoms and emf levels?

Nope, just another worthless anecdote.

Why do you bother to post this stuff? You know that objective evidence is required before you should even be convinced yourself, let alone expect to convince anyone here.

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