Please improve Beethoven's 9th symphony NOW.
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    Default Please improve Beethoven's 9th symphony NOW.

    Beethoven was lazy. Ending his last symphony with a crass drunken sing-a-long about falling over and kissing the world was an obvious mistake. It is akin to going to the opera with a beautiful woman and ending the night in a brothel. Had Beethoven been 'thinking properly' how should he have ended this symphony.

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    Yes I think either resetting the whole symphony as one big drunken songfest or just crossing out the singing bit is the only way to go.
    The 2nd movement could be recast with words celebrating the discovery of brewing techniques to add a little balance... There is a famous song 'John Barleycorn must die'... Maybe that could be ammended to suit

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    It stands as it is. I agree that it seems a bit out of place, but no one's capable of "improving" it. Just chill man.

    I do wonder though if it was maybe a result of his stubbornness: Beethoven had dreamed of setting Schiller's poem to music for decades, and maybe he couldn't get that idea out of his head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Lenin View Post
    I think either resetting the whole symphony as one big drunken songfest or just crossing out the singing bit is the only way to go.
    Well, the work is in Public Domain. There's nothing stopping you from changing it. Go for it!!
    "Music in any generation is not what the public thinks of it but what the musicians make of it"....Virgil Thomson

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    It is what it is, and Beethoven spent a lot of time on it, so he knew what he was trying to do. Its success is up to the listener. But there seems to be a consensus on its greatness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacck View Post
    I might as well try making a meme remix of Trump's utterances, with the "Ode to joy" as the BGM

    Quote Originally Posted by hammeredklavier View Post
    As I read the title, I was expecting something like this,

    with the famous Elgar piece as the BGM.
    Thanks for the inspiration, I might try (making) it some day.
    Great work, btw.

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    Whenever we're all be vanished into ashes and forever forgotten, many a man will still be discussing and listening to Beethoven's work as it is. Neat number, don't ya think?

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    Vincula
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    Is this some kind of joke? Go and write your own symphony and make it more influential and famous than Beethoven's instead.
    Last edited by Allerius; Feb-10-2021 at 18:59.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allerius View Post
    Is this some kind of joke?
    It's likely that the member in question wants to make outrageous comments in order to get multiple responses.

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    I'm glad we all seem to be agreed that 'changes need to be made'. I'd simply rip the 'drunked bar room song' off the end.... but maybe 'actually doing Beethoven's job properly and setting a text to the whole of the symphony IS what is needed. I'm open to suggestions but I really think THIS NEEDS SORTING NOW.... It has plainly gone on for too long in it's unsatisfactory state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulldog View Post
    It's likely that the member in question wants to make outrageous comments in order to get multiple responses.
    It is, I'm afraid, something of a habit. With 50 posts made in the 10 days or so since he joined, nearly all of them have been utterly nonsensical and clearly designed to provoke.

    Where I come from, we call that 'a troll'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Lenin View Post
    Beethoven was lazy. Ending his last symphony with a crass drunken sing-a-long about falling over and kissing the world was an obvious mistake. It is akin to going to the opera with a beautiful woman and ending the night in a brothel. Had Beethoven been 'thinking properly' how should he have ended this symphony.
    You have quickly established yourself as one of the most bizarre, provocative, characters on this forum. I'm not sure whether to applaud your efforts, but all your posts have given me a good laugh.

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    Also: Beethoven was many things, but lazy wasn't one of them.

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    Look, if you were listening to some Gregorian chant monk stuff and right at the end somebody came along with "alright, lets liven this up with a bit of a piano sing-a- long".. you'd all say "oh how crass, how ... utterly tasteless..."
    But you have all allowed some German guy to get away with it..... well tut tut is what I say.

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