A continuación aparece una instantánea de la página web tal y como aparecía en 07/09/2020 (la última vez que nuestro rastreador la visitó). Esta es la versión de la página que se usó para la clasificación de los resultados de búsqueda. Puede que la página haya cambiado desde la última vez que la guardamos en caché. Para ver lo que puede haber cambiado (sin la información destacada), ve a la página actual.
Has buscado: UmayyadMosquewikipedia Hemos resaltado las palabras coincidentes que aparecen en la página que está a continuación.
Bing no se hace responsable del contenido de esta página.
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Syria, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Syria on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Islam, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Islam-related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Architecture, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Architecture on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Middle Ages, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the Middle Ages on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Historic sites, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of historic sites on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.
Expand : *"Ottoman era" subsection, particularly 17th-century, 18th-century and to an extent 19th-century.
"Modern history" subsection
Information on mosque architecture. Particularly interior layout and decor, mosaics (interior and exterior), domes, gates, and free-standing structures within mosque complex. Preferably, each of the aforementioned should have their own subsection.
Other : *Creation of comprehensive subsection on pre-Islamic history of mosque when it was a Roman temple and Byzantine cathedral.
Complete revamp and expansion of "Religious significance" section with reliable sources. Create separate subsections for different religions or religious sects where appropriate (i.e. Islam: Sunni and Shia, Christianity)
New section on "Social significance" (i.e. its role throughout history to the present day as a cultural symbol, social and governmental platform, communal center, etc.)
Ummayad mosque in Damascus is not damaged due to the civil war
It's the Ummayad mosque in Aleppo that has been damaged, it even says so in the reference you attached to it. So please don't change it back when I'm now deleting that info. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 16:47, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
Not the third most important mosque to muslims!
here is a reference for a saying of the prophet muhammed sas:
Chapter 91: DO NOT UNDERTAKE JOURNEY (PURELY FOR VISIT TO THE SACRED PLACES) BUT TO THREE MOSQUES
Book 007, Number 3218:
Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) reported it directly from Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) that he said: Do not undertake journey but to three mosques: this mosque of mine, the Mosque of al-Haram and the Mosque of Aqsa (Bait al-Maqdis).
Book 007, Number 3219:
This hadith has been narrated on the authority of Zuhri (but with this change of words) that he (Allah's Apostle) said:" Undertake journey to three mosques.
Book 007, Number 3220:
Abu Haraira (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah's Messenger (way peace be upon him) as saying: One should undertake journey to three mosques: the mosque of the Ka'ba, my mosque, and the mosque of Elia (Bait al-Maqdis).
It should be mentioned that the church was bought by the Caliph or rather there was sort of a deal of exchange of states. The site of the chruch being in the centre of the old city made so important for the muslim to build there mosque there, since the city was the capital of their kingdom. Demolishing mosques, churches, synagouges, or any building that Allah's (GOD's) name is mention in for worship is not to be destroyed according to the Quraan.
I was amazed that when the article mentioned places of religious significance in the mosque, it was all from a Shia perspective. NO mention of the minaret of Jesus (peace be upon him) and the head of Yahya (John the Baptist, pbuh) in that section? 220.127.116.11 (talk) 15:33, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
How do we place references for quotations in secondary sources. For example when the reference is Le Strange's quotes of Ibn al-Faqih, the citation is just to the page in le Strange's book? Yazan (talk) 11:34, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
It is acceptable and desirable to get your quotations from a secondary source.You could look for collaboration from another source if you feel it is necessary. WP:RS#Quotations --Diannaa(Talk) 19:19, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
I am going to make a sub-page for the copy edits so that Yazan and any other interested editors can follow along with what I am doing and why. The location is Talk:UmayyadMosque/Copy edits --Diannaa(Talk) 19:19, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
I suggest we merge the Umayyad, Abbasid and Fatimid info (roughly four passages combined until later expansion) into one subsection called "Islamic Arab era" or "Arab Caliphate era" and then have the next subsection titled "Seljuk and Ayyubid rule (or era)" and have another subsection for Mamluk rule. It appears there's a lot of info on the Mamluk era in the sources you provided so I think a section on that period could stand alone. What do you think? --Al Ameer son (talk) 05:13, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
Yes, that makes sense. Also, check this one, . Yazan (talk) 05:23, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
I'll make the changes now. Upon a mere scan, the source look very informative and could help us out greatly with the religious significance section. The timeline will also be useful and as well as the info on the mosque's architecture. --Al Ameer son (talk) 05:31, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
Just some info from Necipoglu Important info to add
All of the info is provided on page 72 of Gulru Necipoglu's Muqarnas: An Annual on the Visual Culture of the Islamic World, Volume 14. Most of it renders use in the religious significance section.
"The sanctity of the mosque derives largely from its association with the Islamic conquest of Syria"
According to 8th century traditionist Sufyan al-Thauri, the value of one prayer in the UmayyadMosque is worth 30,000 prayers.
The Damascus Mosque traditionally ranks fourth in sacredness. Mecca is first, Medina second and Aqsa is third.
Other traditional Muslim sources claim worship will continue in the UmayyadMosque for 40 years after Earth's destruction.
It is universally acknowledged in Islamic sources that the mosque is one of the wonders of the world.
Several medieval authors count it as two wonders of the world: the mosque itself and its mosaics.
"The structure is rectangular, with a large courtyard occupying most of the area within the walls. The prayer halls were once decorated with marble panels of gold, colored glass, and mother-of-pearl, and retain some elements of this rich ornamentation." - Illustrated Dictionary of the Muslim World By Marshall Cavendish
Any thoughts on that? I think having a section on this would be useful since in almost every source I use the author stresses its social significance. I think we would have a lot of information available for it. --Al Ameer son (talk) 05:58, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
Certainly, take this quote from, Walker, Bethany J. (Mar., 2004). "Commemorating the Sacred Spaces of the Past: The Mamluks and the UmayyadMosque at Damascus". Near Eastern Archaeology (The American Schools of Oriental Research) 67 (1):
In a recently published eyewitness account of the fire of 1479, most of the money and efforts for reconstructing the mosque came from Damascenes themselves (Behrens-Abouseif 2004). What emerged from this tragic event was proof of a civic consciousness, illustrating how much the identity of Damascus was tied to this mosque. While it remained an important monument for all Muslims, it was, however, no longer a financial priority for the state. Moreover, its image among civilians had been transformed. The largest part of the brilliant mosaics, which had captured the imagination of earlier generations of Muslims, had either been destroyed or had been previously plastered over and, according to Behrens-Abouseif, "no longer characterized the image of the mosque in the mind of the Damascene population" (Behrens-Abouseif 2004: 283). Thus, the political and aesthetic memory of this monument had changed from one of state power to one of local pride. While the Ummayad mosque continued, for medieval Muslims, to be one of the wonders of the world, this was the case for different aesthetic and social reasons than for earlier generations.
Btw, I should get my hands on that Behrens-Abouseif paper from 2004, in a week or so. I couldn't find it anywhere, so I emailed the prof. and she promised to mail it promptly. I suspect it would have a wealth of information about the fire/aftermath/ and some on the mosque's state before. Yazan (talk) 09:51, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
Sounds great. I didn't even know there was a fire in 1479–seems like they were regular occurrences back then. I found some useful info regarding its social significance during Ottoman and French colonial times. I'll list that info here within an hour (or two) for near-future reference. --Al Ameer son (talk) 17:59, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
Don't panic; a discussion will now take place over on Commons about whether to remove the file. This gives you an opportunity to contest the deletion, although please review Commons guidelines before doing so.
If the image is non-free then you may need to upload it to Wikipedia (Commons does not allow fair use)
If the image isn't freely licensed and there is no fair use rationale then it cannot be uploaded or used.
I've just reverted an edit by User:Rarevogel who changed Semitic-Canaanites to Syro-Levantine with no explanation and added, without a source, a comparison with a temple in Tyre. The actual source for the statement before what appears to be a pov change says "We have no direct knowledge of what the temple of Hadad-Ramman looked like. It probably followed the traditional form, comparable in plan to other Scmitic-Canaanite sites like the Jerusalem temple." Dougweller (talk) 08:02, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
Citation needed for "This is considered holy by the Muslims because Muhammed recited passages from the Quran at this site."
Can someone verify this statement, I am personally unaware of this.
"This is considered holy by the Muslims because Muhammed recited passages from the Quran at this site."
Sakimonk talk 17:37, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
That is a very dubious statement. I do not believe Muhammad ever went to Damascus, especially after he received the revelations. The mosque is holy for Muslims for many reasons but that is not one of them. It should be removed promptly. --Al Ameer (talk) 21:29, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
User:Al Ameer son, I suggest moving the content of pre-Islamic history to the current article on the Roman temple: Temple of Jupiter, Damascus, there are plenty of sources on the temple and its importance as a cult centre and it can potentially be expanded on its own. The Cathedral was a small one, so I don't think it warrants its own article, and thus information about it can remain here; especially as the the site was used for a while as both a mosque and a cathedral. Yazan (talk) 14:08, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
No objections, though we should keep a summarizing paragraph about the temple with a "main article" hatnote. --Al Ameer (talk) 15:40, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
Burns and a few others have been used quite extensively, can we consolidate these by using name attribute in the ref tag. If yes, how? If there's a proper method to do it, please do mention otherwise I will start on this tomorrow. Moughera (talk) 07:13, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: Consensus is leaning against this move (non-admin closure) buidhe 22:03, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
There are a great many Umayyad mosques but there can by early Islamic tradition only be one Great ("Friday") Mosque in a city, so there can only be one Great Mosque of Damascus.
The name "Great Mosque of Damascus" is also much more frequent in literature old and new. GPinkerton (talk) 05:45, 7 May 2020 (UTC)—Relisting.buidhe 01:03, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
A search of Jstor for "UmayyadMosque" without the qualification of "Damascus" brings up only 52 hits. "Great Mosque of Damascus" produces 417. The following salient sources use "Great Mosque of Damascus", but there are many others:
1996 The Cambridge Illustrated History of the Islamic World
1997 F. B. Flood, “Umayyad Survivals and Mamluk Revivals: Qalawunid Architecture and the Great Mosque of Damascus.” Muqarnas, vol. 14, pp. 57–79
1999 Rafi Grafman and Myriam Rosen-Ayalon. “The Two Great Syrian Umayyad Mosques: Jerusalem and Damascus.” Muqarnas, vol. 16, pp. 1–15.
2001 The Great Mosque of Damascus: Studies on the Makings of an Ummayyad Visual Culture F. B. Flood
2019 "Greater Syria and Iraq (Umayyad and Abbasid Caliphates), 661–1258.", Marcus Milwright in M. Fraser (ed.) Sir Banister Fletcher’s Global History of Architecture (21st ed.)
These are just a few of most authoritative tertiary sources of the past 25 years that deal specifically with the mosque. In sum, it should be clear that scholarly literature does not use "UmayyadMosque" anything like so often as "Great Mosque of Damascus". GPinkerton (talk) 23:12, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
NOTE - most of the above was added a week into the nom, just now. Johnbod (talk) 00:06, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
Support, clearer name as well as being more common.--Bob not snob (talk) 07:55, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
Support As with other 'Great (Friday)Mosques', this should be it's common name, consider the case of the article on Joanne Rowling, which is rather titled "J.K. Rowling" as she is commonly known thus. 'Great Mosque of Damascus' is arguably more commonly used to refer to this mosque, particularly among Muslims (although it is alternatively called "Great Omayyad Mosque" by Syrians or Arabs). However, vis-à-vis other 'Great Mosques' titles - 'Great Mosque of Damascus' should be more appropriate. TheEpistle (talk) 03:11, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
@TheEpistle: Even Arabic Wikipedia's article on it calls it "Ummayad Mosque (Damascus)"! GPinkerton (talk) 13:09, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
Have you three seen the actual numbers on a gbooks search? They're below. Johnbod (talk) 01:53, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
@Johnbod: Have you seen the actual numbers on a Jstor search? It's Great Mosque of Damascus 417 vs UmayyadMosque 52.
Oppose The assertion that "Great Mosque of Damascus" is the more common name than "UmayyadMosque" has not been demonstrably supported. Surveying just the sources in this article, practically all of them refer to the mosque as the "UmayyadMosque", the notable exception being Finbar Barry Flood who uses "Great Mosque of Damascus" primarily and "UmayyadMosque" secondarily. The generic google web search "UmayyadMosque" Damascus fetches 340,000 hits, while "Great Mosque of Damascus" fetches 72,600 hits and "Great Mosque" Damascus fetches 240,000 hits. Admittedly, these searches are not perfect ways to assess which is the most common name, but they should give us a decent indication. Also, there is no MoS guideline and there should not be a "great mosque" rule for all historical congregation mosques of major cities. See al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem, the Masjid an-Nabawi (English: Prophet's Mosque) in Medina, and Mosque of Amr in Cairo, for example. Even that of Mecca was called Masjid al-Haram (Eng: Sacred Mosque) until an unconvincing 3:1 vote (including an IP as one of the support votes) in favor of "Great Mosque of Mecca" changed its name here. Further, the mosques in Kufa, Samarra, Xi'an, Sanaa, Brussels and Banten do not appear to have another popular name, whereas "UmayyadMosque" is clearly a name commonly, and I believe most commonly, used to describe this mosque. --Al Ameer (talk) 20:35, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
@Al Ameer son: The 2009 Grove Encyclopedia of Islamic Art and Architecture, the 2010 Oxford Dictionary of the Middle Ages, the 2015 Oxford Dictionary of Architecture and Landscape Architecture (3 ed.), the 2018 Oxford Dictionary of Late Antiquity, the 2004 World Encyclopedia, the 2009 Oxford Companion to Architecture and the 2005 Oxford Dictionary of Byzantium all without exception use "Great Mosque of Damascus". The Oxford Dictionary of Late Antiquity's own article on "Damascus, Great Mosque of" does not even mention "UmayyadMosque" as a synonym. Article names needs to be common in academic literature, not Google hits (how many are based on the WP article title?). GPinkerton (talk) 21:01, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
@GPinkerton: I'm in agreement that article names for historic subjects generally should be based on the most common name used in academic literature. The sources currently in the article are generally academic, however, and just based on a survey of these sources, those which use "UmayyadMosque" (both words in capital letters) are:
Abdoulkarim, Maamoun  in G. Calcani Appolodorus of Damascus and Trajan's Column
Beattie, Andrew  International Dictionary of Historic Places: Middle East and Africa
Brinner, William  in his annotations of the translated A Chronicle of Damascus, 1389-1397, Volume 1
Burns, Burns  Damascus, A History
Charette, Francoise  Mathematical Instrumentation in Fourteenth Century Egypt and Syria
Dumper, Michael  Cities of the Middle East and North Africa: A Historical Encyclopedia
Kafescioǧlu, Çiǧdem  In The Image of Rūm": Ottoman Architectural Patronage in Sixteenth-Century Aleppo and Damascus where the only time "UmayyadMosque" is capitalized is in reference to the mosque of Damascus.
Kamal Ed-Din, Noha  The Islamic View of Jesus
Kennedy, Hugh  in Grabar, Oleg Interpreting Late Antiquity: Essays on the Postclassical World
von Leeuwen, Richard  Waqfs and Urban Structures: The Case of Ottoman Damascus
Selin, Helaine  Encyclopaedia of the History of Science, Technology, and Medicine in Non-Western Cultures
le Strange, Guy  Palestine under the Moslems; a description of Syria and the Holy Land from A.D. 650 to 1500 where it is called the "Great Omayyad Mosque"
Walker, Bethany  Commemorating the Sacred Spaces of the Past: The Mamluks and the UmayyadMosque at Damascus
Great Mosque of Damascus (capital letters) is used by Finbar Barry Flood  and  (who secondarily uses "UmayyadMosque") and Hanna Taragan , while "great mosque of Damascus" is used Giovanni Teresio Riveira . I will explore further academic sources not used in the article tomorrow, but it does not appear that "Great Mosque" in this specific case is more common than "UmayyadMosque", the Oxford Encyclopedia and Grove Encyclopedia notwithstanding. Also with the exception of the Damascus mosque and the less famous "Great UmayyadMosque" of Aleppo, no other Umayyad-built mosque is typically called after the Umayyads. --Al Ameer (talk) 22:20, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
@Al Ameer son: Without exception all the sources there are less recent than the others that use Great Mosque of Damascus, so ... GPinkerton (talk) 22:55, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
@GPinkerton: Most of those sources date from the 2000s and 1990s, certainly they cannot be considered outdated or old when it comes to the common name of the mosque today. That would be ridiculous. The sources using “great mosque of Damascus” in the article date from 1918, 1999 and 2004 so I don’t see your point actually. Also, as I stated, this was a survey of the sources used in the article currently. I’ll do further research tonight or tomorrow on academic sources not used in the article, as well as news articles and tour guides, which also are very useful when deciding what the common modern name is for a famous landmark like this. Al Ameer (talk) 01:03, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
@Al Ameer son: As I have said, the articles I cited are from 2004, 2005, 2009, 2015, and 2018, all more recent than the ones that you say use "UmayyadMosque" and list above. As I have also said, unqualified "UmayyadMosque" cannot even be its universal name in Arabic, if Arabic Wikipedia has to call it "UmayyadMosque (Damascus)". GPinkerton (talk) 01:11, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
Oppose Ok, so this is pure "personal research", but when I visited Damascus (some 20 years ago), nobody, and I mean nobody, called it the "Great Mosque of Damascus", or even the "Great Mosque". It was always the UmayyadMosque, (There are many "Great Mosques", but not many mosques from the Umayyad era), Huldra (talk) 22:37, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
But there are hundreds of mosques from the Umayyad era, including several great mosques! The local name, as well, is likely to be different to the globally common name. GPinkerton (talk) 22:55, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
@Huldra: For what it’s worth, I also have never heard this mosque called “Great Mosque” from the many Syrian Americans I know who call it the “masjid or jami al-umawi” (UmayyadMosque). Al Ameer (talk) 01:03, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
@GPinkerton: Again, these assertions do not seem to have a solid basis. There are not “hundreds of mosques from the Umayyad era” and there are only two that are commonly called after the Umayyads, this one and the mosque in Aleppo, the latter of which has a completely different structure than the original unlike the mosque in Damascus, which has stayed true to its original Umayyad form despite several burnings over the centuries. The assertion that local names may be different from global ones may be true in general, but in the case of this mosque, the local name is also a name used commonly and, as it appears, most commonly, by “global” sources as well. Al Ameer (talk) 01:03, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
@Al Ameer son: There most definitely are hundreds of Umayyad mosques, not the least of which is the one in Cordoba. See above for repudiation of the "global" claim. GPinkerton (talk) 01:11, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
@GPinkerton: If there are hundreds of Umayyad mosques, we certainly have a ton of work to do starting articles on them, assuming they are notable. In all my time researching the Umayyads and working on the Umayyad subject on Wikipedia, I have not observed that there is anywhere close to this many mosques which date to the Umayyad period. The vast majority of mosques originally built or expanded by the Umayyads have been completely rebuilt in the centuries since their demise in Asia and Africa in 750, and probably since their demise in Spain after 1030. But even if we accept this assertion at face value, how many of these are commonly called after the Umayyads by sources both local and global? The mosque in Cordoba is very occasionally called the “UmayyadMosque of Cordoba” in the English sources; in these sources “Great Mosque of Cordoba” is far, far more common. Not sure how relevant Arabic wiki is to this discussion, but I don’t see how them calling it “UmayyadMosque (Damascus)” helps your case that we should call this article “Great Mosque of Damascus”. If anything it would suggest we should name this mosque “UmayyadMosque (Damascus)”, but we wouldn’t need to do that because in English Wikipedia, there is no other article called “UmayyadMosque”. Vitally, this mosque is also called after the Umayyads as it was the first major mosque to be built by the dynasty after the Dome of the Rock. It was the original model for many of the other major congregational mosques built by them. Al Ameer (talk) 01:36, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
@Al Ameer son: I didn't mean to imply that the hundreds of Umayyad mosques were all still functioning or all remained of original 8th/2nd century fabric or that every one of them is notable. All of the famous desert "castles" of the Umayyads had mosques within them, for example, and there are numerous archaeologically described Umayyad mosques all over the place. As pointed out, the Great Mosque of Aleppo is also called the UmayyadMosque, as is the former Great Mosque of Tiberias, and doubtless others. There could, conceivably, be an article on "Umayyad Mosques" in which case having theUmayyadMosque foremost in in the history would certainly jar. I would suggest UmayyadMosque should really be a disambiguation leading to either Great Mosque of Aleppo or Great Mosque of Damascus or conceivably even "Umayyad architecture" or similar and the defects of Wikipedia's articles as is should be no impediment to improving them. GPinkerton (talk) 01:58, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
@GPinkerton: The defects of Wikipedia are not my point; my point is regardless of how many active or ruined mosques that the Umayyads contributed to in some way or form, ”UmayyadMosque” (in capital letters) mainly refers to this mosque and the only other major mosque called after them would be the mosque in Aleppo. While I’m not opposed to the “UmayyadMosque of Damascus” or “UmayyadMosque (Damascus)”, I see no need for it since the mosque in Aleppo on Wikipedia is not called “UmayyadMosque” so the disambiguation is unnecessary. Equally important, “UmayyadMosque” on its own far more often refers to the older and better known mosque in Damascus than the one in Aleppo in my surveying of scholarly sources. Al Ameer (talk) 02:19, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
@Johnbod: Your inclusion of many mosques irrelevant to Damascus does not appear to be correct. The inclusion of a high proportion (about 50%) of "Umayyadmosque" (uncapitalized) in the results indicates that this methodology is not valid. Many of these hits refer to Umayyad mosques in widely varying places from Spain to Iraq, so if anything the argument that "UmayyadMosque" is ambiguous is strengthened. GPinkerton (talk) 02:03, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
Of articles this century that mention the phrase "UmayyadMosque" in conjunction with the word Damascus on Jstor, a mere 52 do not also mention "Great Mosque of Damascus" a phrase fully 419 articles use. GPinkerton (talk) 02:18, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
I'm not seeing this - the first two pages (20 results) have 4 uncapped, with one for Aleppo, but the rest clearly Damascus - like "In Damascus, the great court of the Umayyadmosque forms the only open space.... " Johnbod (talk) 02:12, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
Fourth result is about Cordoba. Second page has one on Aleppo. Several are fiction. Fourth page has one about the Great Mosque of Ramla. Fifth has Cordoba again. Others have the Great Mosque at Jerash. No fewer than 10% are not about Damascus at all. GPinkerton (talk) 02:23, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
Ok, I missed Cordoba, but mentioned Aleppo. So 5 pages is 100 results - you specify 4 non-Damascus, plus whatever Jerash is. But discount 18,300 by 10%, it's still far more than 9,260. Johnbod (talk) 02:29, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
@Johnbod: Why does it not surprise me you know nothing of Jerash? I make it ten results per page, not twenty, with an average of 1 non-Damascus for every page = 5/50 = 10% See also more relevant Jstor statistic above. GPinkerton (talk) 02:34, 13 May 2020 (UTC) the evidence here is weak ...GPinkerton (talk) 02:36, 13 May 2020 (UTC) Maybe you can point out where you think the basilica is in the famous Roman forum of Jerash ... or the "main temple" ... GPinkerton (talk) 02:47, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
Whatever - it's not enough. I clearly meant that neither of us have counted Jerash (which I see, as an ethnically divided city, had two main temples, only one with an article here). But that digression will be boring people here. Johnbod (talk) 21:13, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
After GPinkerton objected to the "no consensus" closure, I have reopened the discussion. buidhe 01:03, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
These searches do appear to show "UmayyadMosque" is more popular than "Great Mosque of Damascus" although the ambiguity of other buildings also being called "UmayyadMosque" would support a name change to something like "UmayyadMosque (Damascus)", as is used at the Arabic Wikipedia version of this article. AmateurEditor (talk) 04:07, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
why is this here? this should either be removed or added in a manner that reflects at least some relevance, the city gate have no relevance in this article. though i have tried to rephrase and edit the template but in my opinion this needs serious restructuring or editing. Moughera (talk) 19:45, 24 June 2020 (UTC)