Issue with Dialogue when watching movie in 5.1

patryn33 · Apr 1, 2021

goofy123 said:
thanks for the great advice!
so i think i just have to decide whether i want to really go for the XT32 on the x3700h or just XT on the x2700h. i am ok to spend a bit more if the quality is really a lot better.
at this time tho, i'm still inclined to go with x2700h.
btw, i forgot to update you guys that the OSD from AVR to TV doesnt work (connected Monitor Out on AVR to composite video in on TV). looks like kaput liao. so can't see any more settings like the crossovers i was looking for.

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yuriais28 · Apr 2, 2021

Although choosing the right speakers is important, the room correction software is also a critical factor if you don't have dedicated HT or listening room. Having used XT32 for 5 years before moving on to Dirac Live, I would say the latter is a big step up. At least 50% better for my case where I am using my living room for HT.

RyanJosie · Apr 2, 2021

goofy123 said:
thanks for the great advice!
so i think i just have to decide whether i want to really go for the XT32 on the x3700h or just XT on the x2700h. i am ok to spend a bit more if the quality is really a lot better.
at this time tho, i'm still inclined to go with x2700h.
btw, i forgot to update you guys that the OSD from AVR to TV doesnt work (connected Monitor Out on AVR to composite video in on TV). looks like kaput liao. so can't see any more settings like the crossovers i was looking for.

Would get the XT32 if it is already within reach.

Or else if funds limited the XT is good too, you will not be severely compromised in enjoyment.

I have both x3700h and x2700h running different rooms, the former giving support for 4 Atmos speakers when u r looking to upgrade the existing setup in future.

benedium · Apr 2, 2021

RyanJosie said:
Would get the XT32 if it is already within reach.

Or else if funds limited the XT is good too, you will not be severely compromised in enjoyment.

I have both x3700h and x2700h running different rooms, the former giving support for 4 Atmos speakers when u r looking to upgrade the existing setup in future.

Any audible differences to comment?

patryn33 · Apr 2, 2021

yuriais28 said:
Although choosing the right speakers is important, the room correction software is also a critical factor if you don't have dedicated HT or listening room. Having used XT32 for 5 years before moving on to Dirac Live, I would say the latter is a big step up. At least 50% better for my case where I am using my living room for HT.

it’s hard to compare 1 room correction to another I think. Dirac uses more complex filter compared to XT32. AVR with Dirac typically more high end with better Amp and processor.

nonetheless cheapest AVR with under may start about the same price with x3700. Not sure it’s Dirac lite or the full version..
Dirac if u dont know how to adjust one can messed it up. AVR firmware can be a factor as well.
I moved from no room correctly to Dirac so cannot tell.

I hope U can share base on your experience.

kalviper · Apr 2, 2021

So no noticeable difference lol

patryn33 · Apr 3, 2021

kalviper said:
So no noticeable difference lol

what are u comparing? no context here

RyanJosie · Apr 3, 2021

benedium said:
Any audible differences to comment?

Hard to say, there was no a/b testing. Different setup, x2700h is in my smaller computer room with on wall speakers.. x3700h in living room with floor standing speakers. The later sounded a tad better to my ears but multiple confounders

petetherock · Apr 3, 2021

If you have an Ideal room, you won't need any room correction. Even a prehistoric model will work.
The more odd the room, the greater the need. And no correction EQ system will be a press button and work magic for a bad placed speakers. Many HDB owners use huge floor standers and plant them in corners, with the other speaker in open space.
That's not going to work even with XT 32 or Dirac.

However when you treat the room acoustically, place the speakers according to the recommended positions, you can really hear the difference.

yuriais28 · Apr 3, 2021

patryn33 said:
it’s hard to compare 1 room correction to another I think. Dirac uses more complex filter compared to XT32. AVR with Dirac typically more high end with better Amp and processor.

nonetheless cheapest AVR with under may start about the same price with x3700. Not sure it’s Dirac lite or the full version..
Dirac if u dont know how to adjust one can messed it up. AVR firmware can be a factor as well.
I moved from no room correctly to Dirac so cannot tell.

I hope U can share base on your experience.

I am not very good at articulating the differences but the below review from a XP member conveys my exact sentiments as we have similar setups https://www.stereonet.asia/forums/t...ng-the-new-nad-avrs-it-has-dirac-live/page/6/

Dirac Live allows me to load different target curves to play around with. Over time I have found that I prefer Harman curve with +6db bass for movies.

However, to echo what Pete says, getting the basics right is more important, i.e. speakers placement (away from wall esp rear ported), subwoofer placement (check using crawl method or REW), MLP away from rear wall and not in center of room, treating first reflection points. Without getting the basics right, room correction software can only do so much.

patryn33 · Apr 3, 2021

I agree room eq cannot solve bad placement and bad speakers issue. Yes having good speakers and good placement can do without room eq. Good speakers not budget friendly, audioholics iirc love their revel performa be but such stuff not budget friendly to many. many of us just make do with budget friendly stuff. Like all things once it reaches a certain pt the ROI is little. So what Dirac is better even at 1-2% better is it worth the $1k diff?

Room eq can do harm, human just wants the option to do so. So long one is happy with results that’s all it matters.

ideal room is like those of opera house?
many ppl living in small space has trouble with speaker placement. How many ppl can pull speaker out 2-3 ft away from wall let alone 1/3 into room for music listening. Here not many ppl carpet their floor. Putting area rug also not a thing. Can piss off Spouse. Or with kids not ideal.

Room treatment is something I still reading about. Very confuse with idea. When to put absorbers and disperser. Some rule not to treat entire room like x%. In that case in open space bad? I guess so as they say put absorbers in entire room bad. Some ppl say sit closer to speakers u get less of reflection.

well in am not too nuts about these, just read and learn for fun. Not seeking perfection, meet my needs ok.

patryn33 · Apr 3, 2021

yuriais28 said:
I am not very good at articulating the differences but the below review from a XP member conveys my exact sentiments as we have similar setups https://www.stereonet.asia/forums/t...ng-the-new-nad-avrs-it-has-dirac-live/page/6/

Dirac Live allows me to load different target curves to play around with. Over time I have found that I prefer Harman curve with +6db bass for movies.

if you using NAD, their target curve not to your preference? Seem like many ppl like Harman curve from what I read.

playing with Dirac is a pain, maybe can say overwhelming for newbies. Need laptop to work, if u have old fashion HDD and fan making loud noise need to figure a way to get that down.

NAD software maybe less buggy than Harman. Harman bugs can turn off ppl using Dirac. Freq software updates some software all wipe up Dirac settings and need to reload. Can really be OMG.

just works and easy is hard to come by

benedium · Apr 4, 2021

That's why more of us should share our experiences and tips.

yuriais28 · Apr 4, 2021

patryn33 said:
if you using NAD, their target curve not to your preference? Seem like many ppl like Harman curve from what I read.

playing with Dirac is a pain, maybe can say overwhelming for newbies. Need laptop to work, if u have old fashion HDD and fan making loud noise need to figure a way to get that down.

NAD software maybe less buggy than Harman. Harman bugs can turn off ppl using Dirac. Freq software updates some software all wipe up Dirac settings and need to reload. Can really be OMG.

just works and easy is hard to come by

Personally I find NAD's curve is more suitable for music. For my case, my usage is 95% HT/TV 5% music. I find the Harman curve works well for most genre so I prefer that instead of having to keep switching to different curves. But of course, everyone will have their own preferences.

Agree w u that playing w Dirac can be a steep learning curve. For people who just wan to do a quick setup, then XT32 is more ideal. But for those how have been using XT32 for some time and want to try something new, then I would suggest Dirac Live. For my case, thankfully I managed to find a user guide in AVS which helps to explain the basic and how to adjust the cutoff frequency for each speakers. That helps a lot in the onboarding process.

patryn33 said:
I agree room eq cannot solve bad placement and bad speakers issue. Yes having good speakers and good placement can do without room eq. Good speakers not budget friendly, audioholics iirc love their revel performa be but such stuff not budget friendly to many. many of us just make do with budget friendly stuff. Like all things once it reaches a certain pt the ROI is little. So what Dirac is better even at 1-2% better is it worth the $1k diff?

Room eq can do harm, human just wants the option to do so. So long one is happy with results that’s all it matters.

ideal room is like those of opera house?
many ppl living in small space has trouble with speaker placement. How many ppl can pull speaker out 2-3 ft away from wall let alone 1/3 into room for music listening. Here not many ppl carpet their floor. Putting area rug also not a thing. Can piss off Spouse. Or with kids not ideal.

Room treatment is something I still reading about. Very confuse with idea. When to put absorbers and disperser. Some rule not to treat entire room like x%. In that case in open space bad? I guess so as they say put absorbers in entire room bad. Some ppl say sit closer to speakers u get less of reflection.

well in am not too nuts about these, just read and learn for fun. Not seeking perfection, meet my needs ok.

Don't get me wrong. My point is if you don't have a dedicated room like most people including myself whose setup is in a small living room, then a good room correction software like Dirac Live can help to a certain extent.

patryn33 · Apr 4, 2021

goofy123 said:
hi pete,
i dont think i will have the time to thoroughly calibrate it, or at least not frequently to tune it perfectly. so am i to understand that i should seriously consider X3700 for the MultEQ XT32 then?

If u not into playing with adjustments the AVC-X2700H will do fine. Why pay $500 to give you the finer options to do so but you not planning to use it? Imho, more stuff to mug around at times more chances to go wrong esp you don’t know what you doing.

like Dirac, I played with it for 2-3 days before landing on something I like. Want to update to atmos, Dirac make you take all the measurements again, that’s a hassle

benedium · Apr 5, 2021

I only have experience with XT32 but based on what I read so far, it supposedly has more refined room correction for bass and subwoofer. Not sure how much better compared to XT. Also even if you buy x2700h, I think you can still buy denon's multieq editor app and some of us here have some experience to teach u basics on how to improve the sound using the app. Shouldn't be too hard to do some basic improvements. The app is cheap enough compared to a higher model. So I recommend paying for it.

goofy123 · Apr 5, 2021

hi guys,
there's so much great advice here, i want to thank all of you first for taking time and effort for that.
speaker placements and room setup for me is not much flexibility in terms of current arrangement. however, i'm already considering that most likely some renovation may be due in a couple of years, so will try to adjust placements, as well as possibly install points for additional speakers (!) too.
i've also read up on some XT vs XT32 comparison and general consensus seem to be that it is noticeably better given the same type of room. so in the end, i decided to get the x3700. having some price reduction on 4-4 sale and also wife's encouragement helped!

goofy123 · Apr 5, 2021

RyanJosie said:
Hard to say, there was no a/b testing. Different setup, x2700h is in my smaller computer room with on wall speakers.. x3700h in living room with floor standing speakers. The later sounded a tad better to my ears but multiple confounders

hi Ryan,
my setup is also in living room, with floor standing speakers. is your living room regularly shaped? i did up a ppt with room dimensions and speaker placements, but i cant seem to upload img

patryn33 · Apr 5, 2021

benedium said:
I only have experience with XT32 but based on what I read so far, it supposedly has more refined room correction for bass and subwoofer. Not sure how much better compared to XT. Also even if you buy x2700h, I think you can still buy denon's multieq editor app and some of us here have some experience to teach u basics on how to improve the sound using the app. Shouldn't be too hard to do some basic improvements. The app is cheap enough compared to a higher model. So I recommend paying for it.

it’s nice the editor app supports for XT and XT32.

Another 2-3 mths will release those pioneer and onkyo units with Dirac. At denon x3700 price pt. Hope they are competitive enough to save them

RyanJosie · Apr 6, 2021

goofy123 said:
hi Ryan,
my setup is also in living room, with floor standing speakers. is your living room regularly shaped? i did up a ppt with room dimensions and speaker placements, but i cant seem to upload img

Living room corner is squarish around 5+metres X 5+metres, excluding the dining area and corridor la.

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