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It’s a bit unfortunate but understandable given the whole thing with Covid restrictions
The problem wasn't the covid restrictions but more the fact they rushed the hole production so they could have a bunch of actors for the nostalgia effect instead of following the original Kraken take on the film
What do you mean by “the original Kraken take on the film?”
Jon Watts had Kraven in mind.
Oh ok, tbh I probably would’ve liked that better.
Would have been cool, but still love what we got
Except the “Kraven take” wasn’t that good. According to the writers, the villains would’ve returned in the post credit scene, they showed the script to Feige who went “Actually, this sounds like it would make a better film” and he was right.
Peter literally repenting for his constant fuck ups this trilogy and healing not just one, but three Peter’s lives in the process was a far more compelling tale than just “What if Spider-Man fought Kraven and got chased by cops for 2 hours?”
I'm sorry but what the fuck?
Explain to me how did he "heal" the other versions of the character? Or how it is more compelling to drop a narrative in the first 10 minutes of your movie so you can just repeat the same mistakes than trying to tell an actual story?
Tobey got closure with his mentor Otto and got to pass on Ben’s wisdom. Andrew found his brothers and redeemed himself for Gwen. This was all spelled out in the film itself.
And let’s be honest: they never would’ve gone all the way with the hunted storyline in the MCU. This is a universe with no secret identities, Mysterio’s story was too flimsy to work in court, and Peter still faced consequences for NWH: his and his friend’s lives were ruined by controversy, The Daily Bugle rose to power by trashing him, Mysterio got a cult who harassed him on the daily, and Damage Control was looking for any reason to bring him in. In the MCU, that’s the most consequence a hero would face for this kind of controversy and I’m fine with that.
Exaclty they mail in green screen performances all the time. Nick Fury sitting in a normal ass room with a normal tranq gun and the whole thing is green screen, even the gun was cgi lol. All these movies are trash, and NWH is absolute bottom of the barrel filmmaking
It bugged the hell out of me. This amongst other moments was when the COVID restrictions became clear. The other moment I thought was weird is when Norman reverts back to being himself, sees Tobey’s Peter on the ground and doesn’t say anything to him.
If they were that restricted then I wish they would’ve delayed the film.
Initially, I thought that Tobey and Willem’s lack of interaction in the film was due to COVID guidelines , but behind-the-scenes footage shows that they were on-set at the same time. The characters in the shots are so distractingly edited and isolated from each other.
That’s even stranger. I was giving them the benefit of doubt that it was related to COVID. What an odd choice to not have them talk to each other. He’s seeing his son’s best friend laying on the ground with a chest wound and doesn’t check on him.
If sony had known that NWH would have made a penny above 800 mn they would have delayed it to summer 2022. They wanted that Christmas release badly
The reason Norman said nothing to Peter was because of the story they were telling: Otto and Tobey had an unresolved relationship by the end of SM2, so they get closure here. Peter and Norman said everything they needed to in their film, so an interaction between them would’ve been fanservice.
This variant of Green Goblin became Tom’s greatest villain in NWH, this is Tom’s film first and foremost. If Norman had just gone back to Tobey, it would’ve made Tom feel like a band-aid for the GG/SM relationship.
As opposed to which part of the movie? Are you serious?
If sony had known that NWH would have made a penny above 800 mn they would have delayed it to summer 2022. They wanted that Christmas release badly
No Way Home had the potential to be too much about the multiverse characters and not enough about Holland's Peter, who is the main character. I'm glad they didn't focus too much on Peter 2 and 3 with their villains.
I believe they weren't there because of covid restrictions. (Also why Sandman was all sand and Lizard was a lizard for most of the film) in that sense it's understandable. Plus I don't think much would have been added to them actually being there for those limited scenes (assuming nothing else was added in the timeline where they were on set) although sandman's transformation is janky
It was better than not having them at all and I understand why they chose to go that route
I thought Sandman's was just unintentionally hilarious cuz that scene is literally when Peter tries to drown him lmao
When I first saw this, I was like “Pulling off Zack Snyder’s Justice League”. Meaning they re-used some footage in certain scenes.
Anyway, I don’t know how they used Sandman and Lizard without any mo-cap, and only use voiceover. I’m not sure this makes sense to me, because they couldn’t be onset to do mo-cap because of the pandemic. They should’ve been vaccinated.
1.) There was mocap, it was just some guy on set as a stand-in
2.) NWH had a lot of older, essential talent on set. Even with vaccinations, they couldn’t afford risking any of the Legacy actors. So they picked the 5 most important ones and let the other two do it from home because in every version of this film, Sandman and Lizard were never major players
I noticed it on my first watch, and I thought it was a clever workaround!
Neither were available due schedule conflicts but were able to record lines to be used
Well, what else were they gonna do?
I don’t like that they used the old footage, but understand why it was used
I grew up on older movies that leaned heavily on stock footage (Godzilla, Universal Monsters, etc.), so it was actually fun to see such a method come back in a big budget blockbuster like this.
Why would we see 2021 versions of these characters when they were obviously taken from the point where they were younger?
I didn't even notice. 🤷
thought it felt cheap and made it seem like the whole storyline involving past bad guys was an inorganic idea
If I liked No Way Home I’m sure I would’ve been fine with it, but since I didn’t like it the whole idea of pilfering other filmmakers films and putting their actors/characters in an unrelated film just rubs me the wrong way. I’d read that this whole idea came about because they didn’t have the confidence to make a better Doc Ock than Alfred Molina and their solution to this was just to hire Alfred Molina again which eventually ballooned into bringing everyone back. Which just comes off as lazy.
Take JK Simmons for example. I love him in the Raimi films, but they’ve changed so much about that character that it’s no longer as fun as it used to be. He has no one to play off of like he did in the Raimi movies which is half of the fun. So they brought back this actor to play an inferior version of that character. It’s weird.
You kinda got the story right: Feige believed that Dafoe and Molina were so perfectly cast that if Sony or Marvel were ever given the opportunity to use those characters again, they should just reuse their original actors. The villains returning at the end of the OG SM3 script (with Kraven) was pitched to Feige, who thought that concept sounded more interesting than the Kraven idea and decided to make NWH a Multiverse film (helped that Marvel was already exploring that concept in their upcoming projects at the time so it fit in).
i have to agree, i was a bit disappointed when i saw it because it didn’t really feel like an organic direction to follow up the story from far from home, it felt like a lot of random fan service, and tying up a trilogy even though this version of spider-man is still just getting started in a way. it felt strangely off-brand like a very long fan-edit. there were good things about the film but i wish they had just kept it to the MCU and recast sinister six. i don’t need to see a haggard old toby mcguire
This was done due to COVID restrictions at the time.
As much I love the movie tgese moments really did bother me cause it was quiet obvious and somewhat out of place. I can understand why they had to do it this way and can somewhat accept it but damn it will always nag on my mind when I see it.
The highest grossing spider-man movie everyone
Highest grossing for a reason
Because they cashed in on nostalgia and fan service …? Or are you implying something else?
Because also cashing on nostalgia, they did a great acting too.
Tom showed the anger, the troubling minds of handling two personas, and the weight that he has to carry for choosing to be Spider-Man. How even after losing so much, he is still fighting.
Tobey and Andrew, while being the good part of the "nostalgia", showed how their parts of Spider-Man/Peter Parker are different from MCU's and also they play and fit into the Endgame like a perfect piece on the puzzle.
William Dafoe (Green Goblin )did a spectacular and showed the perfect "evilness" with bringing back the character to screen.
Alfred Molina & Jamie Foxx did splendid job playing their roles as villains we know and love.
Other characters like Ned, May, MJ and Strange didn't make us feel in any part of the movie, that like they were not wanted in that scene or so.
Yes, they did, but unlike "showing Superman in Black Adam" type of fan service, we actually got to see them as a whole, their acting and the what all happened till now in their world.
I thought it was lazy as shit, and indicative of the movie as a whole
why is Conner's face is in a different angle compared to the original clip.
Don't care, still a good movie
The way they remastered and integrated the footage was done well and I was actually convinced. The Covid restrictions greatly limited their purpose in the movie, but I'm glad we got them and their voices.
It really, really bugged me. Considering they already had confusing motivations and poor CGI all throughout the movie, it felt so cheap it made me wish they weren't in the movie at all.
"Why does this look so familiar?"
Felt pretty lazy for a major corporation
Didn't matter at all.
I didn't even notice the first time
I don’t understand why they didn’t get studios out where they were to film some pickup shots in front of green screens. If that infamous Sam Jackson FFH scene is real, I don’t see how a couple more million to have realistically aged Sandy and Connors would be given they’re the only two who didn’t die
It really bothered me the first time I saw it because the scene (obviously) looked so familiar that it pulled me out of the movie.
After confirmation and reasoning was given it bothered me less.
If they wanted them the company should have had the actual actors.
Thomas Haden Church’s Flint Marko was too good to be done this way. They should have done him proper or left him out.
Fine with me. They weren't that important to the plot anyway.
Not that serious
The movie just feels so rushed imo. Like especially the last act. It really annoys me that the MCU machine doesn’t allow for greater delays. NWH definitely needed another 6 months at least. It was a fun movie but the effects were just really noticeable. The fact that they had to CG the Spider-Man masks was really underwhelming.
It was very noticeable
Nah it makes sense as these versions of the villains where being cured for the first time. Right? I think so. So they repeat what they did cause they are going through it themselves for the first time.
Noticed instantly and made me cringe