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trock

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Was the Ed Sullivan show live?
« on: November 29, 2009, 07:33:39 PM »

sitting here watching the 60's groups on Ed Sullivan on PBS.

was all of this live?? def hear some differences in the songs, but if it's live then...

1) these groups were REALLY good

2) the sound was REALLY good

eye opening
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Re: Was the Ed Sullivan show live?
« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2009, 07:55:30 PM »

Almost always live. There were instances where the music was pre-recorded but the vocals were live. And yes,  they were really good back then for the most part. You had to be.
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Re: Was the Ed Sullivan show live?
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2009, 07:56:15 PM »

Having lived through that era, the groups performed live, sometimes raising Ed's ire when they didn't perform the songs they were supposed to or did not modify the lyrics to "clean them up" for family audiences.
The sound usually was good, sometimes the artists sang to a recorded backing track but there was no lip syncing.
It was mono, of course and the micing was pretty simple.
An overhead, on a boom, over the drums.
Usually 635a's for the talent.
Amps were miced either on or off stage and again, the 635a seemed to be the mic of choice.
They were ubiquitous on '60's tv shows where bands were performing.
On some other shows, American Bandstand, for one, lip syncing was pretty much the rule.
Things were a lot simpler then.
And most of the talent could actually sing, unlike today's
"talent" who rely on autotune and multi tracking.
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trock

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Re: Was the Ed Sullivan show live?
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2009, 08:12:31 PM »

thanks for the info!

i was trying to see where the amps or PA was, mics etc.

really impressed with the beach boys, harmonies

sly and the family stone was really good

Jim morrison sounded really good, surprisingly, and i think this is where he sang "higher" and got banned

love the byrds, mr tamborine man,

so many great songs, i never saw who had done alot of these songs before. they sound great live, a far cry from so much of what you hear today

wow

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Re: Was the Ed Sullivan show live?
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2009, 08:13:19 PM »

I watched a collection of Rolling Stones performances and they went from totally live to totally lip synced with a lot of
pre-recorded   backing tracks with live vocals in between.

Highlights were a totally live, two piece (Jagger/Richards cold blooded 12 string) As Tears Go By, with a off camera string quartet, and a totally
lip-synced, Love In Vain (E flat studio version)with the guitarists fingering chords in G as in the live version.
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Re: Was the Ed Sullivan show live?
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2009, 12:57:27 AM »



Ed Sullivan staff to the Doors: "you'll never play Ed Sullivan again"

Their reply:  "We just did" Razz

Loves it!

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Re: Was the Ed Sullivan show live?
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2009, 01:23:20 AM »

The exchange between Ed and Steppenwolf is priceless. Nick St Nicholas mumbling about "The Fugs" and Ed thinks he's saying "The Frogs". Repeatedly.
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Re: Was the Ed Sullivan show live?
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2009, 10:08:51 AM »

I remember seeing The Beatles and Elvis live on that show. They would only show Elvis from the waist up and Elvis refused to appear on that show unless they allowed him to sing a gospel song for his mother.
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Re: Was the Ed Sullivan show live?
« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2009, 10:58:08 AM »

I watched a bit of the Sullivan thing on PBS. The Beatles were fun as I had remembered how exciting it was to see them for the first time on television back then. Am a bit mystified about the Mamas and Papas. On Sullivan they sounded exactly like the recordings, almost giving you the impression it was not live, but am sure it was.
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Re: Was the Ed Sullivan show live?
« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2009, 11:05:05 AM »

The Mamas and Papas California Dreaming was lip synced. Some of those were TV tracks, just live lead vocals. The Beach Boys doing Good Vibrations was amazing, totally live with Mike Love doing the ribbon/therimin parts and the vocals were spot on.
Yes, they could do that live!

It was pretty easy to hear on my hot-rodded home playback/TV system. I heard stuff I never heard back when I saw that stuff live on my B+W TV with 2" speakers.

Compare to the upcoming Grammy Nom's show. That will be a fake fest for posers. The new emperors are wearing no clothes.
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Re: Was the Ed Sullivan show live?
« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2009, 11:23:25 AM »

Jim Williams wrote on Mon, 30 November 2009 11:05

Compare to the upcoming Grammy Nom's show. That will be a fake fest for posers.



Just in case someone missed reading this...
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Re: Was the Ed Sullivan show live?
« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2009, 02:28:30 PM »

yes the beach boys were amazing, actually surfin USA was the first 45 i ever bought.

thought also the Turtles we good, the young rascals, and really liked Sly and the family stone

i was trying to research who the drummer for them was but it appears they had a ton of lineup changes so i was unable to figure that out.

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Re: Was the Ed Sullivan show live?
« Reply #12 on: November 30, 2009, 03:06:03 PM »

Greg Errico. Sly and the Family Stone drummer.
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Re: Was the Ed Sullivan show live?
« Reply #13 on: November 30, 2009, 04:14:47 PM »

I don't mean to turn this into a Sly & the Family Stone thread Tim,  but if you are into them go on YouTube and check them out in 1968 doing a talent show at the Ohio State Fair that was nationally televised. This was around the time of the 1st album but before the first hit.  It was like they dropped into the midwest from another planet. No way to compete with them.  Just too good at that point in time.  And now back to Ed....
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Re: Was the Ed Sullivan show live?
« Reply #14 on: November 30, 2009, 04:14:49 PM »

trock wrote on Mon, 30 November 2009 14:28

yes the beach boys were amazing, actually surfin USA was the first 45 i ever bought.

thought also the Turtles we good, the young rascals, and really liked Sly and the family stone

i was trying to research who the drummer for them was but it appears they had a ton of lineup changes so i was unable to figure that out.



Dino Danelli. They were a really good band. Doing "Groovin" with just conga, organ and harmonica was cool!

On "Satisfaction" they missed Keith's fuzz part. And Brian plays through one of the stops.

All in all the PBS show was a great trip down memory lane. And all those performers playing without monitors!
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