Roger Waters: Pros &amp; Cons Of New York Vol. 2 [2xWinyl]

Un bon live avec un enregistrement correct, il joue l album The Pros entier je suis un peu déçu du peu de changement par rapport à l album studio

Commenté en France le 14 janvier 2021

ROGER WATERS : PROS & CONS OF NEW YORK (FROM A LIVE FM BROADCAST RECORDED AT RADIO CITY MUSIC HALL OF NEW YORK CITY - NY - 28TH MARCH 1985).
ROGER WATERS en très très grande forme. C'est décidément un formidable compteur d'histoires. Même si le dieu de la guitare ERIC CLAPTON n'est pas de la tournée, son remplaçant JAY STAPLEY (dont je n'ai jamais entendu parlé), n'est pas un manchot, et s'en sort plus qu'honorablement. Le son est exceptionnel! A mettre dans toutes les écoles... On est proche de la perfection!

Une personne a trouvé cela utile

Logo

Belle playlist

Commenté en France le 6 août 2021

Le son est bon mais certaines incoherences de micro, ou la présence du public, apparaissent ici ou la, modifiant anormalement la qualitéet la dynamique tonale. Ou bien Roger avait il un mal de gorge ce jour là ...En 1985 on maîtrisait moins les versions live, mais la remasterisation récente de cet album aurait du corriger cela.
Il demeure un bon concert, avec des versions live restylees. On aime ou on aime pas mais au moins cela apporte une touche personnelle a la version studio.

Commenté en France le 15 mars 2019

De très bonnes versions live des grands standards écrits par MR Waters.
Son de bonne qualité, très bons morceaux.
Côté livraison RAS.

Commenté en France le 18 septembre 2019

enregistrement correct en qualité et de bons morceaux envoi tres rapide

Une personne a trouvé cela utile

nono69

Je suis un peu surprit

Commenté en France le 23 décembre 2018

Je n'ai pas tout écouter mais les versions des chansons changent par rapport à la façon dont les jouait Pink Floyd. Roger en fait des versions différentes.

Commenté en France le 14 septembre 2017

J'avais acheté ce Cd pour la participation de Clapton à la musique de Roger Waters, on ne retrouve pas l'ambiance du Cd The Pros & Cons, la guitare trop en retrait.

Un album un peu different !!!

khv

Commenté en France le 14 octobre 2017

L'album est très bien, un peu différent mas il y a quelques choses!
Roger Waters ne mérite jamais 2 étoiles !

2 personnes ont trouvé cela utile

Traduire tous les commentaires en français

Meilleurs commentaires provenant d’autres pays

Lee Lucas

Superb Release.... Forget about it not being an offical Waters releae, becuase this has something that his own releases don't...

Commenté au Royaume-Uni le 16 juillet 2017

Introduction…

The Pros & Cons Of New York is a 2 CD Set that was released on the 14th July 2017. To be honest this is not an official Roger Waters release and was released by a company called Gossip Records. However I did pre-order it from Amazon a couple of months before hand and it arrived through my letterbox on Friday 14th the day of its release.

You can find this particular live concert of Waters on many bootlegs over the years since Waters embarked on his first tour as a solo artist back in 1985 having left Pink Floyd. Though what I will say, is that the quality is nowhere near what we have on this latest 2 CD Set and for the price of £9.99 you are genuinely getting a piece of quality here for your money, and it’s great value too especially when you are getting the whole 2 hour and 14 minute live show.

The major reason I wanted this more than anything, is really down to the fact that Waters himself mainly ignores his own solo material. He still very much thinks he is with Pink Floyd when you look at all the live material he has officially released himself. It’s a real shame really because since he left Floyd he has now made 4 great albums and yet he still devotes over 90% of his live shows to the material he did with Pink Floyd all those years back, and you very rarely get to hear him do any of his solo material at all.

To be honest I have never been to any of Roger Waters live shows, and I am sorry to say I would not either. I’ve seen Pink Floyd live and I honestly do not believe in paying to see an artist who’s not playing what he supposed to be playing, and that is the music from his solo material and stop living in the past all the time. He really needs to take a leaf out of Peter Gabriel’s book I am afraid.

Do not get me wrong I have nothing against Waters playing some of his past he did with Floyd and to be perfectly honest from what live shows I have of his on DVD he’s very good, and capable of putting over the Floyd material very well. His live In The Flesh DVD is excellent, though once again he’s obsessed by his older material he did with Floyd and you get very little of his solo material.

So what’s so special about this unofficial release one might ask? Find out in my detailed review coming up now.
The Double Live Album Review…

The Pros & Cons Of New York is a live concert by Roger Waters that took place on the 28th March 1985 at the Radio City Music Hall in New York America. The whole show was broadcast live across America and the difference between this recording in relation to any bootleg is that it comes from the original radio broadcast, and not some idiot recording the show from the audience with whatever he used to record the concert with.

CD 1.

Roger Waters played 2 live sets that day. The 1st set on the 1st CD is of him performing a just over an hour and 14 minute set of Pink Floyd material and some classics. In whole there are 15 tracks and Waters and the band play quite a variety of the Floyd songs here and I am so glad to see it’s not just mainly the material from The Wall for a change. He does however manage to squeeze in 5 tracks from that album and has devoted a 3rd of the tracks and 19 minutes and 34 seconds of the 74:09 we have here.

He kicks off the show with “Welcome To The Machine” from the Wish You Were Here album, and I quite like how they have arranged many of the older Floyd songs to suit Waters voice more. Though he does not sing all the songs in the set, but he does take on the biggest majority here. There are some really good arrangements which really do make this concert very enjoyable to hear. He also does “Wish You Were Here” and “Have A Cigar” from the same album too.

It’s also nice to see 3 tracks from the last album he did with Floyd. The Final Cut featured with the oldies here too. “Money” from the bands prolific album Dark Side Of The Moon is the only song we get from that album strangely enough. Though he does end off his 2nd set with a couple of more songs from it. The intro from the Animals album “Pigs On The Wing (Part I)” is the only song from that album that gets an airing, but it’s quite funny hearing Roger calling for his “Pig”.

One thing that is a joy to hear is “If” from the Atom Heart Mother album and the even more earlier song “Set The Controls For The Heart Of The Sun” from the bands 1968 2nd album A Saucerful of Secrets. I love how they have arranged this one and it’s certainly my favourite out of the bunch here. In some ways it’s even better than how they did the original studio and the Live At Pompeii versions, though I dare say somebody will shoot me down in flames for saying that :))))))))))))

Considering I never brought this release for the 1 CD here. I have to say I quite like it a lot more than what I would thought. The 2nd CD was why I did buy it originally for. Though no doubt this a great concert over the both sets you have here, and it is recorded very well, and you are getting excellent quality all the way here.

CD 2.

The 2nd CD and the 2nd half of the concert contains the whole of Roger Waters 1st studio solo album The Pros And Cons Of Hitch Hiking played in its entirety from start to finish live. You get another 15 tracks over a playing time of 58 minutes 38 seconds. I have to say this is really something well worth having even though I will say it’s missing Eric Clapton and the keyboards are used to play some of his parts, and some are just completely missing in comparison to what was on the original studio album.

Eric Clapton did originally accompany Roger Waters at the start of this tour but unfortunately after 3 months on the road with Waters he had to pull out, and he was not present when they played here in New York.

Do not get me wrong I think the musicians who are present here did remarkably well especially has some other really great session players had also pulled out of the tour by the time this concert came around. The great percussionist Ray Cooper and guitarist Tim Remwick left with Clapton to start on his live tour at the time. All 3 extremely highly talented musicians in my own personal opinion that in reality could of made this set much more better too.

It was perhaps a very hard tour for Waters. Not just with the lack of musicians pulling out from it, but also down to the fact that most of the venues he had booked for his shows got cancelled, due to lack of interest due to low ticket sales. I think Waters found out for the first time that he was not “Pink” and much less popular than the band was who will still enjoying tremendous success without him.

To be perfectly honest the way that The Pros And Cons Of Hitch Hiking is performed live is something that will grow on you the more times you play it. It’s also a great way to hear the album performed like this and it’s still very professional with the musicians they do have, and how it’s been arranged for the live show. It still works very well and certainly is by far a great addition to have, especially has Waters really has very little to offer with his own solo back catalogue of material, and for the life of me I cannot really see why Waters himself never thought about releasing this himself.

At the end of completing the live album. Roger announces the band to the audience and they come back for an encore with both “Brain Damage” and “Eclipse” from the Dark Side Of The Moon album to end off the show in great style.
The Musicians:

Roger Waters: bass and lead vocals
Michael Kamen: Keyboards
Jay Stapley: lead guitar
Andy Fayerweather Low: guitar
Mel Collins: sax
Andy Newmark: drums
Katie Kissoon: backing vocals
Doreen Chanter: backing vocals

Summary…

Overall this 2 CD Set is a well worthy purchase and takes onboard a very enjoyable concert just under the 2 and a quarter hour mark over the 2 live sets you are getting here. No doubt Roger Waters and the band done the business in putting over a really great live show.

Both the CD’s are housed in a Jewel case with a hinged holder inside that opens up to revel the 2nd CD on the reverse side. I have quite a few of these from the past, and even though these Jewel cases are not seen as much these days and more often is the case they come in cardboard slipcases, the case is well constructed for its purpose and does the job very well.

Conclusion…

The Pros & Cons Of New York by Roger Waters may not be an official release by the man himself. Never the less even if he was to release it, I personally do not believe it would be of any greater quality with what you’re getting here. This Radio Broadcast is far from anything remotely disappointing in comparison to the bootlegs this concert has had over all these years. I would even highly recommend replacing them with this. Simply because this is the real genuine quality that came from the radio station itself who broadcast it.

The arrangements throughout both the sets of Pink Floyd and Roger Waters solo material are very well done making this live concert most satisfying to hear these songs done in this way. No doubt that Michael Kamen would of played a big part in these arrangements too.

1985 was perhaps a pivotal part of Waters career especially for testing the water of how popular he would still be with Floyd fans. Though many may of deserted him back then, he has certainly maintained to build himself a far more successful career and get back the support over the years from those many who deserted him.

As I stated in the introduction of my review here. Coming across live material of Waters solo output is not a common thing. Still till this day he still very much draws his attention back to the earlier side of his career with Pink Floyd. Having the complete album of The Pros And Cons Of Hitch Hiking played live has to be one massive bonus in my eyes.

No doubt this release gets a big thumbs up from myself and is very welcoming to see for a change. At its price point of £9.99 for 2 CD’s of live material its very much a winner and will certainly please both Waters and Floyd fans alike, and that fact that is not an official I would personally recommend it as if it was. Simply because it’s quality.

27 personnes ont trouvé cela utile

M. Fairman

Can't complain at this as you'll never hear a good live version anywhere else.

Commenté au Royaume-Uni le 14 juin 2023

Its a bootleg pure and simple. But it's a very good one, and historically I think very important. I totally loved pro and cons from the moment I got it home and put it on the record player. I was going aboard for a month and so missed the live shows in London. I did have a bootleg CD of this before but it wasn't ideal sound. Wondered how much better this would be. Well no worries, it is very good for what it is. I cannot imagine anyone being disappointed with it.

Uwe Unruh

Pros & Cons of New York

Commenté en Allemagne le 18 août 2023

Sehr schönes Album. Ein Muss für jeden Fan.

oblongomaculatus

enjoy the ride

Commenté au Royaume-Uni le 7 août 2017

When I reviewed the Live Radio CD earlier this year I expressed a wish that a live recording of Rogers' first solo tour be released. Well, here it is. Sadly there is no Eric Clapton, who only featured on the 1984 leg; this is from 1985. As if to compensate though, the first half has been extended. I was at one of the shows, at Earl's Court, in 1984, where unusually the set list was printed in the programme, which I still have. Hey You was dropped for the 1985 leg, but was replaced with Get Your Filthy Hands Off My Desert, Southampton Dock, Another Brick In The Wall Part 1, The Happiest Days Of Our Lives, and Another Brick In The Wall Part 2. Some songs have also changed their places in the running order; for instance, Welcome To The Machine moves up from 4th to open the show.

Back in 1984, I remember Set The Controls For The Heart Of The Sun was un unexpected highlight, with the addition of saxophone improving the song over the 1968 original. During the song, a breeze blew through the audience, enhancing the spooky atmosphere. I expect this was a coincidence - Earls Court is a draughty place - but I still like to think it was part of the production! Listening to the version here brings back spine tinging memories.

The quality of the sound is good; you probably wouldn't know it was a radio broadcast if it didn't say so on the cover. For the first half, many of the Floyd classics have been rearranged somehwat, and this works better for some songs than others. As mentioned earlier, the addition of sax enhances Set The Controls For The Heart Of The Sun, as it does on Welcome To The Machine, which takes its' time building to a crescendo. Elsewhere new arrangements are less successful. Another Brick In The Wall badly misses David Gilmour's lovely, liquid guitar solo at the end - instead you get some rather messy, over elaborate playing, while Have A Cigar seems to have the wrong bass line entirely.

Set 2, Pros and Cons in its' entirety (plus and encore of Brain Damage and Eclipse), is played with panache and conviction, perfectly evoking the disjointed uneasiness of a dream you can't quite wake from, although once again, it suffers somewhat from not having the original guitarist - in this case Eric Clapton - on stage. This is particularly evident on the title track, (one of the best songs Roger Waters has ever written, incidentally) where some of the solos are played on sax or keyboards. Roger also fluffs the "body on the plain" line, though it's surprising, when you think about it, that there isn't more of this. The Pros & Cons Of Hitchhiking is a very wordy album.

Overall, then, a welcome souvenir of a tour now over 30 years old, which slots in nicely with the Live Radio and In The Flesh shows. With luck, we won't have to wait so long for the release of Roger's current Us & Them tour.

14 personnes ont trouvé cela utile

Dave Osborne

A Great Show

Commenté au Royaume-Uni le 23 janvier 2023

I saw this show in London, it's great to have a reminder, even if it is from a different venue.