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Well technically the USA didn't exist so it was... An English civil war where the English won?
the English civil war was a bit weird. it was won by the Parliamentarians led by Oliver Cromwell. then 10 years later we kind of ended up back where we started
Yeah, but that’s because Cromwell was an arse. Could have turned out a lot differently if he’d managed it better.
Cromwell? More like Crombadly.
He replaced a king with a king in all but name. Lord protector (if I remember right) that would pass to his kid and so on
Fuck Cromwell, i hope his soul is rotting in fucking hell
Banned Football, Going to the Theater, and celebrating Christmas... Imagine what that must have been like /s
Probably why the UK isn't a republic to this day. He made such a bad go of it that people just kinda preferred to deal with a crown than go down that path again. Way to go, Olli, truly a hall-of-fame-level cunt.
Basically, it showed us that both absolute monarchy and military dictatorship (in a republic) were both really bad outcomes, with the Glorious Revolution finally ending the tug of war with Parliament basically dictating the king's powers and limits.
It is very weird.
It's like poetry, it rhymes.
That was just one of our civil wars.
Exactly like the French Revolution.
A weak king needs to raise taxes. People so no King says fuck you...I have divine right... literally God lets me do ANYTHING! King gets beheaded. The revolutionaries can't agree on anything, chaos ensues. Strong military leader becomes dictator and brings order. People get sick of the dictator/ dictator loses grip. Dictator gets kicked out. A King is invited back.
That's the story of the English and French revolutions
Mostly right until the end.
With the English civil war, people didn’t get sick of him and kick him out, he died and his son took over but no one wanted his son to be
kingLord Protector.And then he invaded Ireland, to rid it of catholicism.
Oh, well. He tried...
According to Wikipedia it was an English civil war.
Not the one we care about but one nonetheless.
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Fair point. What nationality were those fellers?
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Exactly what I came here to comment! It wasn't American v Britain, it was France v Britain, but instead of taking territory in the traditional way they just liberated it and left it to its own devices.
And the only reason the French left the US to their own devices was because they were bankrupt.
Maybe the french saw what a shitshow it was going to become and noped out
Bastards
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France was extremely involved in the war with Britain. They hustled didn’t send many troops to the americas, choosing instead to fund the rebellion that was growing there in order to draw British resources away from the actual war.
Bolsheviks?
Belgium.
Indeed twas mayhem in Molenbeek
The IRA?
Lil help from mercenaries and a few Native American tribes sprinkled in
The same recipe that would defeat the US just shy of 40 years later.
Who lost against an army of farmers in south east asia? And against the canadians. Twice.
who had there capital burnt down?
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Wrong flag
Whoooooosh
Canada technically did as well
Multiple times...These things happen. we got an observation tower out of it though,and some better rules about industrial ovens.
Most countries in the world.
Russian empire?
Who had their nation bombed by the Germans in both world wars?
the French
Your not gonna believe this but the blitz was a thing
They don't know they lost the war of 1812, I shit you not they teach their kids that they won
that's some north korean level of brainwashing
And I believe they think they won in Vietnam, although they changed the metric from land, to body count for that one
Or at least that they didn't lose because "it wasn't a war"
No, we’re taught about how it ended in a semi-draw due to the US losing but not really being effected due to England having it’s own issues with France at the time. The Battle of New Orleans is what most Americans lean on for support of the idea the US won, regardless of the fact it happened after the Treaty of Ghent was signed.
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I sometimes wonder what would have happened if the Napoleonic wars never took place and Britain could commit all of their resources to the war of 1812 at the start.
The war probably wouldn't have happened, then. I always figured the invasion of Canada was opportunistic, counting on Britain having their hands full. Plus the stated casus belli of impressment of US sailors wouldn't have been a thing, since the impressment was occurring as a result of Americans running the British blockade of France and being pushed into naval service as a punishment was also likely informed by needing as many sailors as possible to keep the blockade going.
They might've found another excuse or reason at some point, though.
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US curricula might treat it as a draw but seeing as the war was fought by America to stop communist North Vietnam regaining control over South Vietnam, and they did and still retain it now as a unified communist country, how is that ‘a draw’?
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Vietnamese are too OP
You’re insulting the NVA by spitting on them and. It acknowledging their roles at all. The “farmers” you speak of have been fighting since the 1920s and has much more combat experience than the average G.I. And the US wasn’t fighting farmers, they were fighting a well trained and organized standing army. The Vietcong were basically wiped out by US forces during the Tet offensive.
The whole thing was just America massacring the Vietnamese for daring to want their independence. But by golly, they never stopped fighting back. There's something to be said for their determination. It was everything on the line for them.
The whole thing was an ideological conflict between the Communist and the anti-Communist. Independence was never a factor in the Vietnam war. The whole thing was a war not a massacre.
It absolutely was. They were fighting the French for independence, and then the French gave way to Americans. Communism was their way of reclaiming ownership of their colonised land. But third world countries standing on their own is bad for business, so we in the west saw fit to carpet bomb them in hopes they'd accept the societal order we dictate to them.
And Vietnam
Oliver Cromwell ?
a very interesting chap
We've a few other words to describe him here in Ireland.
what does this have to do with pies?
didn’t you know? the revolutionary war was actually a bakeoff
Well I've heard of the great British bake off but not sure if the US has an equivalent.
So Britain won
Pies have pastry lids. So what does the top picture have to do with pies?
She’s a tart and everybody knows it!
Motherfucker! Beneath the wheels of an M1 main battle tank ya’alls flimsy limey pie will crumble like a French defensive line. Yeeeehaw.
Probably some shit about how Americans think they invented apple pie.
Considering that the US still uses an outdated British measurement system that even the Brits have somewhat abandoned I’d say the British won haha.
I wish we'd somewhat abandoned it. The shitty remnants of imperial measurements just need binning.
The US just makes things worse by having their own versions of some imperial measurements
Uhh technically us and British imperial systems have differences... But yeah the Brits have relatively abandoned it.
Yes I know. The original imperial system used by the British navy had some logic and was at least partially 10 based. (1 mile = 10 cables, 1 cable = 100 fathoms, 1 mile = 1000 fathoms, 1 furlong = 10 chain, 1 furlong * 1 chain = 1 acre, 1 halfpint = 10 ounces, 1 halfton = 100 hundredweight).
The US customary took that system, said fuck logic, abandoned the 10 base and made it worse haha.
Which country’s public actually knows what another country is?
Oh no! Someone proved me wrong! Quick, let's remind them who won the war, given everyone cares hundreds of years later
Then who won the war less than 3 decades later?
Who got their main government building burned down?
All while the other was fighting fucking Napoleon at his strongest and could not divert as many troops and resources for a war overseas while Napoleon was Napoleoning his way through europe
My favourite part of the napoleonic wars was when napoleon said “It’s napoleoning time” ands napoleon’ed all over Europe
Napoleon wasn't at his strongest in Aug 1814. He had lost and abdicated in Apr 1814. The British troops who burned the White House came from Europe and had fought against Napoleon.
Also, England and the US didn't sign a treaty until 1816. The war continued for 2 years following the burning of the White House and British troops weren't able to hold captured Washington DC; President Maddison was back in the White House a little over a week after Britain captured Washington DC and burned it.
The war ended in 1815, the same year as Waterloo and the final battle at New Orleans happened after the treaty had already be done. It just happened to be a month late. Last I checked Canada still belongs to the Canadians and impressment of the mostly British deserters on American ships actually stopped before the war of 1812 started. It was really just an excuse to get all uppity and show they were independent, claim Canada for themselves, wiping out native American territory that was allied with Canada, and gaining some fishing grounds around Canada while Btitain was heavily distracted not just in Napoleonic Europe but also other places around the world, including India. The US also got Louisiana from Napoleon as well and joined in the economic assault on Britain's economy in the Embargo Act of 1807 and Macon's Bill No. 2. Both of which backfired and hurt US and Continental Europe more than Britain. France was also still trading with the US which was helping its war efforts on the continent and against Britain. The war of 1812 also made it even harder for Britain to trade with the US or anyone else, so in that regard it was just a doubling down of the economic war Napoleon had started.
No ... 1815 is when Napolean returned; in April 1814 he was exiled to Elba and was still exiled in Aug 1814; everyone thought they had finished dealing with him. He escaped in Feb of 1815, took control of France, and then fought and lost Waterloo. Napolean was defeated and exiled twice.
The US purchased the Louisiana territory from France in 1803 (nearly a decade before the war of 1812.)
Yes, I'm aware and Britain was demobilizing by then too. I was just pointing out the Napoleonic wars officially ended in 1815 for the final time. Same as the 1812 war did.
And your point? I'm pointing out that the US was siding with Napoleon as an addition to the rest of what I said. Louisiana was a gain for the US, as in; even though they didn't get Canada, at least they got Louisiana.
Who won the war of 1812? Why is the White House that colour?
They teach their kids in school that they in fact won the war of 1812 btw
They don't. They also don't say that the US lost it; it didn't. Funny thing, war has stalemates.
That's not 100% accurate. Perhaps in some public schools kids are taught that here but I was always taught that the war of 1812 was a draw. There were no real winners, much like the Vietnam war and the Korean War.
I love America sometimes. Achieved none of the goals? Retreated? Yup a draw
Loool it was not a draw, we smoked you, and neither was Vietnam, yall never should have fuckin been there, and only left because you weren't making progress lol
Idk enough about the Korean War at all to speak on it
What a propaganda machine
Wow, the hatred in this thread knows no bounds. I was simply informing you that not all schools teach that we won the war of 1812.
I never mentioned that we should've been in Vietnam. In fact I'm sure my dad would've loved to have never been drafted to that war.
1812 was a stalemate. Neither side achieved any real objectives.