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Cream's Ginger Baker trashes legends in Classic Rock Magazine, Issue #142, March 2010

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"Keith Moon as a drummer? Nah. He was good with The Who, I suppose, when he tried to play like me....Moonie was a wonderful guy, but if you're going to judge from minus two to 10 then I'm a golden 10. Mitch Mitchell [The Jimi Hendrix Experience] was a journeyman. He was hopeless. John Bonham [Led Zeppelin], Ringo Starr [The Beatles], Charlie Watts [The Rolling Stones]...they're all three or four" ....

"But I hate the Stones and always have done. Mick Jagger is a musical moron. True, he is an economic genius. Most of 'em are *beep* morons....Paul McCartney boasts he can't read music! How can you call yourself a musicican, then? John Lennon was the best musician in The Beatles by a country mile. He was a very talented guy. But George Martin was The Beatles. Without him they'd have been nowhere."
 
Re: Cream's Ginger Baker trashes legends in Classic Rock Magazine, Issue #142, March

The Green Eyed monster rears its ugly head. Not to many grey cells left in that head after all of the drug use.

As for Paul McCartney:

mu·si·cian   [myoo-zish-uhn] Show IPA
–noun
1.
a person who makes music a profession, esp. as a performer of music.
2.
any person, whether professional or not, skilled in music.

I think he fits this definition.
 
Re: Cream's Ginger Baker trashes legends in Classic Rock Magazine, Issue #142, March

Oh my!

Just plain disrespectful to fellow peers...

What can we say about him that he didn't just say about himself? just to reiterate. NO CLASS...
 
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Yea i think he likes to hear himself talk,Sounds like a bitter old man,With all that loot he should not be so bitter.....
 
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As I said in the other GB thread. I only saw him play once. That was with the reincarnation of Hawkwind (Hawklords). One of the very few gigs I've ever walked out of. GB was crap, & I mean crap. Timing sucked, & he sounded like a guy building a shed. I'm not a great fan of any of the drummers he was dissing either, but that's a personal taste thing. Those mentioned musos are all superb in their field. How the hell can he rate them so low and himself so high. The man's a drug damaged dick!

Anyhow, I'm off to do another gig now. If I play like GB, I'll be kicked out of the band.
 
Re: Cream's Ginger Baker trashes legends in Classic Rock Magazine, Issue #142, March

Every interviews I've ever seen with him he has something nasty to say about someone, going back 20 years.

Which is probably why, outside of Cream, his gigs have been few and far between.
 
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Ginger Baker is the best drummer to have ever played the drumset. Everything he says about other drummers and musicians is just the painful truth. He shouldn't have to apologize to anyone for being the only one with enough guts to say what he knows you're all thinking.

What you wrongly call self-praise is just understated humility. All drummers could benefit from emulating his work ethic.

How dare you try to besmirch the good name of the kindest and most thoughtful drummer to have ever graced us with his presence. You know, a lot of people don't know this but Ginger Baker invented modern drumming.

Why is everyone is so jealous of his amazing and accurate insights into the musical frauds he exposes?

Sorry, I lost my mind for a minute and was having a Ginger moment. Now I will be banished to a four hour 13/8 drum battle against Ginger on his island of absurdity.
 
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Wow that has to be one of the most arrogant apprasials I ever heard of the top drummers of the day. Apparantly no one taught him humility, class, and even basic social graces. Hey he played some great drum stuff, but as a human being? He gives drummers a bad name.
 
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As far as being a drummer and a musician is concerned - he's near the bottom on the list of people he trashed, in my opinion.

In terms of personality and attitude, definitely the most negative and vitriolic I've heard.
 
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He's been an ornery cuss for at least 40 years. Why does he do this?
 
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Pah, when you've acheived what he's acheived you can say what you want, what does it matter?
 
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Isn't it great that we have guys like Todd Sucherman and Steve Smith, and others. These guys could be off in Tahiti somewhere living out the rest of there lives...

They have made enough money off of their success to do just about anything they want. And, what do they do ..? They spend their time with us! Teaching us in clinics and on the web and with DVDs. these guys are the ones who really are the greatest, going way beyond their abilities as drummers..!

They certainly aren't doing the clinics for the money. Sure maybe a little, but, they are giving back. They have taken nothing for granted.

If any of the rest of us had the money they do, what would we be doing now? I hope that we would be doing what they are doing... But, they truly are..

Hats off to Todd and his class of people..

Thumbs down to buffoon wanna bes (GB) who are living in the past...
 
Re: Cream's Ginger Baker trashes legends in Classic Rock Magazine, Issue #142, March

This is just the way he gets attention and it's always been like this. Once he challenged Elvin Jones to a drum duel. Then Elvin actually accepted and suddenly the talk ended. But that really would have been cool.

His rants also led to the greatest Buddy Rich putdown of all time and a classic.

Ginger Baker challenging me is like a paraplegic challenging Jack Nicklaus to a round of golf.

That insult works on so many levels.

But I also agree with jonescrusher. He should be allowed to say what he pleases regardless of how political we think it is. We all insist that these guys aspire to highest end character displays, then attack them when they disappoint us based on our limited understandings, including inside stories. Everybody he attacked was/is capable of defending themselves. Besides in the case of things like the Rich crack he gets a good comeuppance, and a nice lesson for others who would in the future overextend for the sake of free pub. So I don't see how this does anything other than entertain. I doubt these guys he's trashing are losing any sleep over it, and probably think it's pretty funny.
 
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Please! No Buddy Rich comparisons.
 
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Wow.
I might not like the way a certain drummer does things but that's no reason to blast them like that. Another thing to consider is that all of those guys made a boat-load of money playing drums in a manner that GB didn't approve of...
Supply and demand works in the music world, too.
 
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Pocket-full-of-gold said:
Further discussion of Ginger shooting off his mouth before engaing his brain, can be found here: http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58045&highlight=ginger+baker

Check it out.
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That was my first thought. I love Ginger's drumming on record and if I love people's music I can forgive a helluva lot. Ginger clearly has issues. I'm guessing bipolar and he's doing these interviews during the manic phase.

Not sure that Classic Rock should have published that part of the interview, given that he was obviously unhinged. It's like publishing a photo of someone while they're masturbating, but I guess it shifts units.

I once read that GB had a drum duel with Art Blakey. While GB apparently acquitted himself well, most judges gave the contest to Art, as you'd expect.
 
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