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I lean Maye, but Im gonna trust Peter's so whatever he does I'm gonna go with.
This is where I am. If they are picking JD they are likely seeing things Iām not
As a Maye Stan I'd actually be very excited if they pick Daniels. Peters and co. aren't stupid. They know all of the flaws we've all discussed ad nauseam. If despite all that they still want him then they must see something really special in him.
100% agree
Rhymes with Trey Lance
You want the real reason?
Drake Maye was the undisputed number 2 QB in this class, it wasnāt close. So when we got 2, we got Drake Maye. Thatās locked in our brains.
Then boom, JD is now everywhere, everyone wants him. Everyone sees his numbers, media pushes it, other teams push it. Itās this giant narrative no one can escape
But hereās the thing, no one had really said anything bad about Drake Maye, there are some accuracy issues, which every scout and cosch thinks are easily solved, and heās still at 65%. Heās younger, taller, and from some reports has 40 pounds on JD
This looks to be a creation of agents, media, and GMs that want Maye
Maybe itās real, but Iām skeptical
Kyler Murray is 5ā10 207 and gets hurt all the time. JD is 6ā3ā and 200 and no one cares. The fact that JD is 100% lock and we are stupid for not taking him just sounds wrong to me
I mean thatās what happens you win the heisman. Itās not a ācreationā by the media to look at what he did last season and see that he absolutely balled out.
And while he did this, Drake Maye regressed (at least in terms of stats) pretty significantly from his first year to his second.
When you have top-shelf receivers like Nabers and Thomas and a body of a tight end like Taylor to throw to, the Heisman is more easily obtainable.
Well, it worked out for Joe Burrow.
lol.. the heisman argument :/ oh well. We will see Thursday š
Ā North Carolina was a much weaker team in 2023, as opposed to 2022. Maye had a so so offensive line, and at best average receivers. The defense was awful, so Maye knew that he must score a td, every time N Car had the ball.Ā
Daniels had two great receivers, and a good offensive line in front of him. Maye will be a much better pro than Daniels. I am a Bears fan, and am hoping that the Vikings trade up to draft Daniels!!
Maye is very smart, and contrary to some pundits, will be ready to play as a rookie!! This decision, will make or break the Commanders!! I think Peters will make the right call, and take Maye at #2!!
I mean youāre leaving out part of the storyā¦ Maye was the undisputed number 2 going into the 2023 season. Then the season happened, Maye and UNC regressed a bit when people thought theyād take a step forward. Part of the reason Maye was number 2 was because people presumed heād keep progressing and become a top tier prospect, possibly even on Calebās level, but that didnāt happen (partly his fault, partly UNC team fault). And another QB that wasnāt that high on the radar, Daniels, star shot up.
I think people are having a hard time wrapping their head around the fact that Maye was the undisputed number 2 six months ago or so but now he isnāt cuz Daniels star rose and itās become a 2a-2b situation.
First of all it wasnāt 6 months ago, it was 3.
Second, thatās what my post says.
My point is everyone is hyping JD but donāt actually have a reason to put him over Maye except a small difference in completion percentage
It was more than 3 months. As the college season wore on, Maye started to crack at 2, and Daniels started to rise.
Thatās not accurate. His whole supporting cast dumped out. Yes Walker wasnāt able to play until 5 weeks in. His OC changed and changed the play style. So when you say āparty his faultā what you should mean, is he did whatever he could under horrible circumstances and still managed to throw for 3,600 yards.
I think there's also a desire by the media to be contrarian that muddies the waters. If its obvious who the first 3 picks are all going to be there's a lot less to talk about. Just off of conventional wisdom its Caleb Williams, Drake Maye, Jayden Daniels and then Marvin Harrison is a lock too unless there's a trade. Makes for a boring media cycle.
Yeah, I don't blame anyone for wanting Daniels. But take Sheehan, who has been on the Daniels bandwagon for a long time. That's fine, but it's also made him so anti-Maye that he now says, sort of grudgingly, that if they take Maye he'll give them the benefit of the doubt. So he won't pitch a fit if they take, you know, the guy who was the consensus #2 up until a month or so ago. It's a bit over-the-top, and there seems to be a lot of that going on.
I really want Maye and Iām not high on JD but youāre right. Just gotta trust them on this and Iāll root for whoever we get.
Daniel's reminds me of RG3 too much and he can't slide for shit. I've seen this one before.
Thatās nearly what every one of us is saying. canāt take the outlier JD hating posts and make them the rule.
Same. I just want a traditional pocket passing type of QB. I think it slows the mental growth when a young QB relies on their legs too much.
Jus keep the baker look a like
As an Eagles fan that just stumbled upon this, I canāt believe this kind of blind belief in a first year GM, regardless of his pedigree.
Yāall have really had a rough go, huh?
We don't have a choice, he is making the pick. If his drafting sucks after a few seasons, then things change.
Of course you have a choice if you trust him or not, and youāre obviously free to choose as you see fit. Iām just a little surprised by the optimism.
People will change their tune about Jayden after heās drafted and part of the team.
When he starts winning games for us maybe people will finally buy in but Iām expecting this sub to be unbearable for a while if heās taken.
The exact opposite is how it will be on Facebook.
RG3 won us games his first season.
And nearly everyone was happy.
Iām on board for JD, itās the people around him that give me cause for concern. Maybe thatās the Snyder PTSD still lingering.
For me it's RG3 PTSD
Probably not this guy. I will hold my breath every time he takes off running and I dont think I can hold my breath for that long as many times heās going to run. He takes big shots
Psychologically and subconsciously as soon as he starts performing you will start liking him. If he is a bust, you will (rightly) say I told you all so.
I am nervous about him too. I get RG3/teddy bridgewater vibes. I think Maye has the higher ceiling in 10 years looking back. But I think they are going to take him and Iām starting to resign myself to that fact and starting to get a little excited watching his highlight tapes and listening to Chris Cooley gush about him
I very seriously doubt that! I donāt like running QBs in the NFL. Never liked Lamar, RG3 , Vick. Only one I ever liked was Cunningham because he had a good arm and was a danger from the pocket.
Justin Herbert is hurt every year and he doesnāt run Burrow hurt he doesnāt run. Injuries happen
Remember Alex Smith almost had to have his leg amputated and he was not a running QB.
So if he wins rookie of the year and goes on to have a marvelous 10+ year career what will you say/feel?
i dont give a fuck who the qb is if they're winning and avoid injury.
Can't get past his p2s rate.
I think it's the best metric for weeding out some of the bad QBs.
Lots of people just discovered that stat last season as a reason to doubt Howell and move on from him, and now it seems like everyone's forgotten it again.
Is there such a thing as a respectful "Duh"?
The meme in this post is dumb because no one (or almost no one) is aggressively in one camp or another. A lot of people have preferences, but both the Maye and Daniels camps are wide open, with people milling on the edges and drifting in and out every day.
The most united this fanbase has ever been is over the idea that "Peters knows more than us". When someone's name is called on Thursday, there will be a little sigh of disappointment, but that will be the end of the camps. Both Maye and Daniels fans will embrace our quarterback with open arms.
So yes, duh, "People will change their tune about Jayden after he's drafted and part of the team", just as they will about Maye. McCarthy might take a day or two. But Washington's quarterback is Washington's quarterback. This persecution mentality is stupid.
Thank you. Your "duh" was quite respectful.
I want maye.
If we draft daniels ill ride or die for him. I think most of this sub is the same
Yup thatās exactly how I feel
I am an outlier to this right now. I'm ride or die with nothing until I see them play at this level.
Guessing based on college tape is tricky af.
I donāt hate Daniels and Iād be 100 percent fine with taking him I just think heās the qb this year whose gonna get all the hype then on 1-2 years weāre gonna look back and say we should have taken maye
If you are picking at 2 i rather swing for the fences and get maye. Why get āgoodā and be stuck mediocre again lolā¦..i mean we waited 20 years for a franchise QB why settle š¤·āāļø
why does everyone think we will be mediocre again? does no one thing daniels can improve? if maye can get better why can't daniels? serious question because this is what people say a lot
Daniels is older and had 5 years in college. He's closer to his athletic prime and has had more time to develop, which people argue gives him less room for improvement.
People view Maye's weaknesses, which are primarily related to inconsistent fundamentals (imo), as more coachable. My main concern with JD is his instinct to take off running as his first reaction to pressure, which is pretty hard to unlearn once you make it to the NFL. I'm not even worried about the vicious hits that he takes. I'm more concerned about the unnecessary sacks and missed opportunities on first/second reads as a result of his instinct to run. In my opinion it's easier to teach footwork than it is to teach instinct.
My opinion doesn't really matter though, there's a reason why these guys get paid to do this and I don't lol
Your take is on the money!!
Some development relies on certain traits. Can he improve sure no one is denying thatā¦but other than his athleticisim of runningā¦what does he have? Does he have better arm than maye? Does he throw better off platform than maye? I mean reading defenses, progressionā¦etc are developments that are given for any QBsā¦i just dont see trait based upside with jayden. Again this is my opinionā¦but you cant doubt mayes traits that jayden just doesnt have other than his mobility ofcourse.
if anything daniels has actively shown improvement in college compared to maye regressing
i don't even blame maye's regression on him. he learned a new offense. lost weapons so many people throughout the league talk about UNCs offense was pretty whack. and yet he still played well.
So when it takes 5 years for JD to progress is praised but when bo nix and spencer rattler to develop 5 years its trash? I really dont care for JD having two 1st round recieversā¦.but he didnt even put up Joe burrow type numbers fr
Exactly how I feel. It's like 2012 all over again except this time we get to choose between rg3 and Luck.
Thisā¦.kindaāļø
Luck is Caleb though. Both Maye and daniels have some serious flaws
Caleb plays hero ball too much for my liking.
both have flaws and both flaws can be corrected
thank youuuuu
Here are a few names: Kyler Murray, Kirk Cousins, Tua Tagovailoa, Dak Prescott, Jordan Love, Baker Mayfield, Jared Goff, Brock Purdy
If you cannot go down that list definitively and say āJayden will 100% be better than them,ā then you canāt draft the guy. Gotta take Mr. Right, not Mr. Right Now
You're getting downvoted, but you're right.
Look at the Jets for what swinging for the fences gets you. Would be the Niners too if they hadnāt drafted Purdy.
And then one or two years later Daniels = Teddy Bridgewater
It won't take anywhere close to 1 - 2 years. It will be " brutally obvious", after the first half, of their rookie year!!
Anyone with any investment like they have been doing the scouting work and their jobs depend on it is an absolute idiot, you havenāt met with the prospects, even if you watched every game of theirs you are not an NFL scout, and even if the guy you say will be good IS good, itās not gonna be proof that you know what youāre talking about. Everyone should relax and just wait to support whoever we pick. Setting yourselves up to hate our starting QB because you became enamored with a different guy for literally no reason before the draft.
The one that kills me about JD is that he is a one read qb. Like, you know the play call and who the first read is?
Not to mention the litany of videos that show him going through his progression. Shit makes me feel like Iām living in the upside down.
He also never slides. People are in love with him because he can be like Lamar or Hurts, 2 guys who werenāt even close to top 10 picks and now this guys is somehow the number 2 overall pick ahead of guys like MHJ and Joe Alt all because he plays QB? Legit doesnāt make sense that teams constantly follow this logic of being desperate to find success.
Daniels is Fields, reincarnated!! I have suffered through 3 long years of watching Fields. I hope for your sake ( Redskins), that Peters picks Maye. Daniels isn't going to make it, and they will give him at least 2 years, and very possibly 3!!Ā
Goodbye
Peters will make or break the franchise on Thursday night!!
But actually
What 24 years of he who should not be named does to MFāer
Im sure its like, 5% of the sub. The outspoken minority is always the loudest. Most fans are probably like me, and know damn well we are way worse at evaluating qbs than the people making the decisions. I have a preference, but Im probably wrong anyways and I look forward to watching whoever we pick.
Nah more people def want maye here.
Iām guess heās saying 5 percent are bold enough to act like they know better than gms. I like Maye, so I think I know better than nfl orgs, ofc not
More people want Maye, but I donāt think itās an insane margin. Itās probably split like 55/45. Itās just that the people that want Maye are super loud and really toxic when it comes to discussing JD.
I'm a Maye fan. Watched JD at ASU and he just.wasn't.it. So I'm 100% Maye.
Also, I'm an oldhead. Been watching this game a long, long time. In a draft before many of you were born, there was an argument between Colts #1 and Chargers #2. Manning and Leaf. I had a lot more time back then, I did a ton of research. And it was simple. You take Leaf. He was going to be a better ball player, plain and simple. Easy Peasy.
Point is, I don't know shit. Neither do most of the people on the sub. Neither do a lot of the talking heads, whose job it is to actually know this stuff.
I learned one thing: sit back and wait for the draft. Whoever dons the burgundy and gold will be the guy I get behind. We have enough stress in our lives, no need to pointlessly add more.
How dare you, sir! I've watched football for years from my couch, so my understanding is at least on par with Vinny Cerrato.
This is me 100%.
I got a preference but in Adam I trust
Let see:
Didn't get good until his 5th year with 2 future first round WRs to throw to and a great offensive line to protect him.
He's a straight line speedster with skinny legs who doesn't seem to know how to slide.
Has an overly involved parent who got caught up in a recruiting scandal and bad mouthed his first team.
Has an agent who's lack of understanding the concept optics has lead to people thinking Jayden is an entitled diva.
Conclusion: He's RG3 with better pocket ability and is triggering PTSD in a large portion of the fan base.
Also apparently has a literal PR team in addition to the agent, to do damage control for said agent.
If they take Daniels and he's a bust, the stories are already written. You already know what people will point back to and say why didn't they see it, the same way it went with their last two first-round QBs.
If they take Maye and he's a bust, I'm not sure what they'll point to. Bad luck, maybe. Or taking too bold a chance on the player with a higher ceiling but more to work on. There doesn't seem to be a list of "you should have known"s with him.
The PR team thing gets better: Today on Sheehan's podcast Loverro described how that same PR lady contacted him after he wrote an article about Daniels's mother's involvement at ASU, and threatened to "escalate" the situation if he didn't report more favorably on the mother.
So he's already got the kind of team of people around him that other players have come in with, who thought they should be involved in running the show and pushing people around. That may not be his fault, but it still seems like an issue. Maybe not enough of one to pass on a guy if you think he's clearly the best (Sheehan and Loverro both said they'd still take him), but if you're at all on the fence, why sign up for that?
Damn, anyone else not looking forward to RG3's mouth on ESPN if Washington does go Maye over JD?
It's literally all cause his tiny ankles. It's rg3 where you'd see him run, you'd be like he's awesome, but those legs can't take it. then they can't.
Read this first as "he's an overly involved parent" I was like how on Earth is that a negative lol. Went back and it makes sense now.
Ok now do Maye
Has been a top prospect the second he got on the field, is young, he regressed in line with expectations given his supporting cast drop off from year one to year two. He displayed loyalty to a fault in staying at unc which makes his teammates love him. Has multiple family members in high level athletics which means he has the mental side down pat. Has multiple years of possible development and progress ahead of him. Has all the throws. Has an NFL body.
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In year two of his college career(where Maye is rn) Daniels wasnāt even considered a viable undrafted free agent caliber qb. Same in year three-Daniels wasnāt considered a viable nfl qb. Oh also in year 4. Daniels only became a viable nfl qb when he was throwing to two first round wrs and here you are pu-puing development as an avenue for progression