Kelly Clarkson got emotional on Monday (April 15) when talking to former First Lady Hillary Clinton about the challenges she faced during her two pregnancies and the shocking recent decision by Arizona’s Supreme Court to set the stage for a near-total abortion ban in the state based on a law from 1864.
“Did you ever think in your lifetime we would see that happen?” Clarkson asked Clinton of the situation in Arizona that has drawn widespread criticism from abortion rights supporters for its lack of exceptions for rape and incest. “It’s just insane to me, the thinking that went on in 1864. It’s a very different world. We know a lot more now. We are going backwards.”
Former Sec. of State Clinton was on The Kelly Clarkson Show to promote her new Broadway musical about the woman’s suffrage movement, Suffs, which she co-produced. “It is horrifying. I feared it would happen but I hoped it wouldn’t happen,” Clinton said of the latest fall-out from the conservative majority Supreme Court’s striking down of Roe v. Wade two years ago. “Now here we are in the middle of this very difficult period for women in about half the states of our country, who cannot get the care that they need.”
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In the wake of the Roe decision, 21 states have enacted laws to either ban or severely restrict abortion earlier in a pregnancy than the standard set by the law that codified abortion protection in 1973.
Clinton noted that the Arizona law — which was codified before Arizona was even a state — has no exceptions for rape or incest and serves as a potential danger to women. “And the danger to women’s lives as well as to our right to make our own decisions about our bodies and ourselves is so profound,” said Clinton. “And there’s another element to it, which I find so troubling. I mean, there’s a kind of cruelty to it. No exceptions for rape, incest, really?”
According to The Hollywood Reporter, Clarkson got emotional when talking about her two pregnancies, during which she said she was hospitalized and feared for her life. “I literally asked God, this is a real thing, to just take me and my son in the hospital for the second time, because I was like, ‘It’s the worst thing,’” Clarkson said, apologizing for being overcome with emotion while discussing the difficult births of daughter River Rose, 9, and son Remington Alexander, 7, who she shares with ex-husband Brandon Blackstock.
“It was my decision and I’m so glad I did it, I love my babies, but to make someone …” Clarkson added. “And you don’t realize how hard it is. The fact that you would take that away from someone, that can literally kill them. The fact that if they’re raped by their family member and they have to — it’s just like insane to me.”
Speaking to the former 2016 presidential candidate, Clarkson then encouraged her viewers to get involved in the upcoming 2024 presidential election, saying it’s sometimes uncomfortable to keep hammering away at the importance of voting, but fearing that things could dramatically escalate over subjects we should be able to agree on.
“It’s hard to preach at someone that you have to care about something but at the same time, I feel like we’re going to end up in some kind of — not to sound dramatic but — some kind of civil war over things that I feel like we shouldn’t be divided on,” Clarkson said. Clinton agreed and said “all you can do” is try to inform people and let them know that, for instance, the Arizona legislature had a vote to try and repeal the 1864 law.
“So that there could be a much more sensible approach. It lost. It matters who is representing you,” Clinton counseled, urging viewers that voting is “your superpower — and it may not seem like it but it really is.”
The conversation had some lighter moments as well, including Clinton talking about her early days dating husband former President Bill Clinton and why Clarkson would never, ever write a memoir.
Watch Clinton and Clarkson below.