Sting by Innocent Voices Team Backup page on 13th Sep 2020 4PM | By Amber Alert | Look at here. Here. Yeah no. Should we go here? Stand here. In here. Put him there. Put him there. In here. Bring him here. Here. Bring him here. Thank you. Thank you so much for your help. Thank you so much for your help. Thank you. Show them what you've done. Right. Andy. Andy. You're Andy Flowers yeah? Yeah. My name's Izzy and I'm from group called Innocent Voices. Yeah? Yeah. Why do you think I'd be here? Have you spoken to children online at all? Yes. Yeah and what have you been doing to children online? Harley come here. Yeah what do you mean you'd be wrong? Okay? I'd like to say a big thank you to the travelling community because they've got him out for us. Um okay. So you admit that you've been speaking to a children online? A particular child or lots? A particular child? Okay. That hold on let that train go past. The one thing I want to clear up first of all is I'm going to play it for you and I want you to listen. Okay? Hold on one second. I want you to listen to this. Right listen to this. Listen to this. Listen. Listen. Listen. Hold on. Oh for the sake. No. No. They they have within their listen. No listen to their shush. Right. No no hold on one second. Hold on a second Andy. You have you have sent a long long confession about a real child you met. Was that lies? You gave this child's name? Huh? Okay. We've come whizzing down today because you sent a masturbation video of yourself. Who were you looking after this this afternoon? Your granddaughter was there when you were masturbating? No. What? No. No, it wasn't because we could hear in the background. I asked, we asked, the child asked you, is your granddaughter still there? And you said she's in the other room drawing. And you were debating. I understand yeah. Yeah. Why were you doing that? Why were you doing that? This is live so you don't want to get your voice on it. Right? Um can one of you ring the police please? Yeah yeah. You right to do that? Nine oh nine yeah? You know where we are. Can you get this the address of where we're outside from this lady? You've got it. Yeah. Okay. So you've been speaking to this child and you're absolutely disgusting. What have you been getting her to do? No What you been getting her today? Masturbate? No. You have been asking her to masturbate even when you know her mum was in the other room and she was really didn't want to do it and you were saying she won't see it. You won't see it. Just do it. Take a photo. Take a photo and I can show you what to do. When she was in the when she's having her breakfast. Take your hands out your pocket. When you're when you were talking to her and she was outside. What did you want her to do? Turn away so the neighbours can't see and start playing with yourself. Yeah? Excuse me. You've not had my you've not had my way. I'll hold you underneath here. Look I'm drowning in here. You dirty piece of rubbish. You you shouldn't be took to a police and you should be shot. In the brains. Thank you so much. Animal. Thank you. Look. Make sure you're giving. Do you know what? Did you know yeah the police they will come. Do you know what? This community here have been absolutely fantastic because they could have quite easily dealt with you themselves and they've worked with us to give hand them over. So because we have so much evidence. You know that you could have been yeah yeah so the police are coming now you will be arrested okay have you got your phone on you no your phone's in the caravan yeah so you said that you have met a real child before and you've had sex with a real child you said that over and over again you've even done her name have you been arrested before so everything you said about this real child was a lie so why did you why did you say about this real child Feel better at myself. Feel better at yourself. What? About myself. What? Feel better about yourself. What? Having sex with an underage child? Okay. Lie. You have to lie to continue. But you didn't have to lie. Did you? Why did you have to lie? What's the matter? You're right. Why you didn't have to lie did you? What's your date of birth? Four ten six six. 14th. Four ten six six. Four ten six six. Um Gary. Date of birth. Um so you right? Right from the beginning you when you had this child yeah on this app. Yeah? Yeah. Okay. Can you look up someone look after the wife please. Yeah yeah can you she doesn't know what you should tell her now? Yeah. So can some of you can one of you go and talk to no no. Okay. Please. Do do me on. Let me let me you don't deserve anything. If she wants to then she can but let them just talk to her then if that's that's up to them right. So you right? Right at the beginning you try blackmail this child to talk to you. Yes you did. Yes you did. Right. So you talked to her. She lost her account. You found her account again and you were saying listen you did because you were saying I spoke to you. Yeah. I've spoke to you before. I know your age. If you don't talk to me I'm going to report you. You've got 10 minutes to talk to me to answer me or I'm going to expose you all over social media that you're about of your real age. No no no you said this to this child. And you're going five minutes 10 minutes talk to me or I'm going to expose you. And then when she came on said I didn't even know that you'd you'd you'd message me. Excuse me. Look. Yeah. Sorry. What? Can you not get me in this? Yeah. She is feeling she's the person she buried her ex-husband Friday. Yeah. I know. Okay so. He's a different issue. Yeah. He needs to explain. Yes. Yeah he can do. He can do. If you want to come here and do you want to hear it from him. Do you actually want to hear it from him? Yeah come on then. Right. Explain to your is she your wife? Your partner. Okay. Stand there. I'm really sorry. Okay. You tell her if you want to. Do you want are you sure you want to hear? Yes I do. What what you been doing? A child online babe? They were arresting me. Have you got a grandchild? Have you got a grandchild? I'm being arrested. Have you got a grandchild today in the place? I'm being arrested. Can you turn the picture off? So. I've been arrested. I won't be back tonight. Yeah. Right so he was been he's doing stuff to a child while your grandchild was there. Were you were you there today? Can you get my was he on his own with a child? No I've been there all day. So okay. Where was he when you where was she when you were masturbating this morning? Yeah she was with you. No the child was in the background. Yes she's been with her all day. She's been in the bedroom with me all day. She plays on my phone. Okay so she you two are in the bedroom. Yeah. And he was in the lounge. Yeah. Doing stuff to a child. Okay. I'm really sorry about this. But you're better at least you know now but your children may have to be questioned. Not accessible. Okay. Can you get some shoes please? Are you okay just to you okay? Jay will you look after her? Yeah. Sorry about that. Okay. Where's your phone at the moment? So oh it's in the caravan. Jay. Can you see if you if you could if you got a sandwich bag or something you could put his phone in. Thank you. I'm not going to go with her Jay yeah. Yeah. Do you know what you've done? Why have you done this? Because you were absolutely absolutely disgusting. You would badger this child over and over and over. Wouldn't you? You didn't care that her mum was in the other room. You didn't care she was outside. I did. No no no no. No. No. You never stopped. Yeah. You so why would you send pictures of your penis to this child? She's never seen one before has she? Why would you send yourself masturbating to this child? And the thing the thing is Andy. You did it while you had your grandchild there. That's why we've rushed out today. Why why have your family disowned you? Have you ever been in trouble for this before? No? But your family disowned you haven't they? My family disowned me years ago. Okay I don't yeah okay that's fine. If there's nothing to do with children or anything like that. Why would you be so demanding to a child to play with themselves and why do you want photos to show her show you what she's doing? She's a child. Not much older than your grandchildren. It's not stupid, is it? It's not stupid. Do it. No, it's not stupid. It's sick. You did it at work as well. No it was just in front of the hand lad. You what? No that was from someone else. That was from a friend of mine. What was what was from a friend of yours? What? The dick? Yeah but yeah it was from a between a seven year old and Ghana. Hold on a second. So you sent a picture of someone else's penis the first time to the child. No that was mine but it was it was done for a for an older person. But you sent it to a child? Yeah and you did at work. Well then you you took more later didn't you for this child? But you were at work when you were trying to get her to masturbate. Weren't you? You're you you did it all the time. You were relentless. Have you finished your breakfast yet? Have you finished your breakfast? Go somewhere quiet. Quickly. Oh actually you don't need to do something quiet. You can do it. You can do it there. People just don't need to see. Over and over again. Wherever she was. Do it. Do it. She can she can have a minute's peace. Have you finished your breakfast? Go upstairs. Untie your pyjamas. Put your hand down there. Over and over again. Whilst you had your grandchild here. You got sexual attraction to children. So how do you get hard? How'd you get hard when you're talking to a child? If you if you got haven't got a sexual attraction to a child? Huh? You are? Where's the police right? Police are on their way. Yeah. Did you tell them we're outside that site and we got him off the site. No? Why why do you want to go the other side of the bridge? No. Everyone knows. Everyone's going to know. You're not going to be able to come back here. You know that, don't you? You probably get killed by these people here if you come back here. But you can't go here. Do you hang on a second. Let me just get my head straight. You think that when you're released you can come back here? Do you not think that you would you would not you would have come to some serious harm if you came back to this site. Full of children in there. Why? Tell me why you did it then. Look at me in the eye. Look at me in the eye Andy. Why did you do it? Why? It's not the first time you done it to a child. How many other children are you talking to? So you've got right you have got a recorded confession. Whether it's true or not or not you'll have to answer the police to that. You've got recorded confession of a child you had sex with. Of her name. What what happened to her? What happened to don't say any names. Don't not say any names. Made up my two nieces. You what sorry? It's a made up name of my two nieces. That's sick. No that's the only names I can think of. But that's sick. Made up name of your two nieces. So that is absolutely sick that you were talking to a child sexually used thinking of your nieces names to use. Why? Think of. So why why did you want this child? You have tried you've you've about three times now you've asked to meet her. And I think you possibly would have ended up meeting this child. Yes you would. You would because it was getting violer and violet. Even if that is a word I don't know if that's a word but Andy you were sick. You sent videos and or I could hear your your the children in the background. What kind of twist of brain he's got. To go round a little kid. But why would you boast that you've had sex with an underaged child? Cos that's nothing to boast about, is it? So why did you say you wanted sex with this child? Yes you did. You said you wanted to kiss her and and you wanted to do what you were doing when you were wanking yourself off? Whatever the child wanted to do you'd do. She's a child. So if you say you haven't got a sexual attraction to children how could you get an erection then when you're talking to a child? How could you do it? Give me the decency of looking at me. How would you do it? Shoes. Put your shoes on. Is she alright? Yeah. You got the phone? Yeah I got his phone. Do you speak to this child on any other device in there? She says there's no other devices in the caravan other than her phone. What is the phone? Is it a Samsung? Yep. It says she's got a laptop that doesn't have internet or anything on it. Okay. So your job? You you lose your job? Yeah. You're doing it at work weren't you? You were doing it work because you were talking to her while you're at work. As well. You're talking to her everywhere. Trust me babes. He he should lose his life. Not his job. His life ought to be took off him. The filthy animal. A dog would mess mess with her own pups. Never mind going round a kid. That's what people think of you. Why why would you want to take a child's innocentness away? Why? Just tell me. A children. But but you have. This particular person you were talking to. No no no. No hold on. You say you haven't taken her innocence away. This child knew nothing. She'd never seen a penis. She didn't know what you were talking about. You educated her. When she didn't know. Her mind was not ready to know that. So why? So you say you hadn't taken a child's innocent way. That would take a child's innocence away. Because you worked hard to gain her trust. What was what was the end result? Why did you want her to to because I know you were saying the last just or you just spoke to her about a minute ago before these people came and got you out their sight. Okay. But you're the whole whole objective was also talking about a meat but was to get you want myself. How can you feel good when you're getting a child to masturbate and you wanted her to send you photos of herself doing it. You want some? It's not going to be it's not going to be quiet is it? It's not going to be quiet. You don't I think people need to find somewhere else to live. I gotta go. She doesn't. She she's she can stay where she is. Mate. You won't she he won't be able to be anywhere near you with your grandchildren and everything and I hope you you wouldn't want him. No. You're you're still calling her babe after you've done that. That's what you call the child. What right do you have to keep calling her babe after you've done that? You don't do you? Is she alright? Can someone be with her? What's her name? No don't know that she don't tell me her name. Do you want to take her down the road? That's what you've done. Yeah well why though? What just for a a wank? Well by looking at your your Facebook your your family don't like you. Have you ever done anything to a real child? So so why do you think it's okay to do it online? It's a fantasy that can rule ruin children's lives. You kept talking about meeting her. You really wanted to meet her and I think that the way you were going it wouldn't have been enough just to have the wank over the phone. Okay so why were you begging wanted to see in a decent image of her? What would you done with that picture? Nothing. Nothing at all. So why did you why did you want it? You don't know to masturbate over so what's all these stories you said about your friends was this another lie about your friends catching their child doing something was that another lie So what were all these lies for? I know why all these lies, what these lies were for? No. Andy. Look at me. It wasn't to feel better. It was to try and get the child to do what you want. You're trying to normalise it. As though that is what children your age do. So it's okay for you to do it. That's what you were doing. Is that wasp gone before I scream? That's what you were trying to do, normalise it, wasn't it? I've never felt so sick. Well afternoon or morning whenever we got it whenever I got it we got it heard it of that masturbation video and I could hear a child What what would happen if she'd walked into the room? What would have happened? You what? You'd have covered up. How'd you know that she wouldn't have she wouldn't have seen you? Yeah they take a while. Exactly. What have you got to say? So how many children you've been talking to? Cos I don't believe by the way you've you've you've reacted with this child that it's the first one. Personal personal function like that. How? Cos you went straight into it. You're so desperate. And and you kept saying do you want to see do you want to see what I'm doing? She didn't know anything. Or arousal. What's up you kept on saying do you want to know what it is? Do you want to know it is? Yes or no? Yes or no? Yes or no? How can a child say yes or no and they don't even know what it is? Do in the end you just send it? Did you like it? Did you like it? What do you think? Can I see yours now? You've broken her heart. You know that don't you? How long have you been with her? Thrown all the way. So it's her grandchildren you're around not your own. No one's mine. Who was the one that was there today? Yours. Hm. Okay. My son were together. Hm. Why would you want to ask you? Again. Why would you want a photo of a child's private parts? Cos it'll turn you on. So why would you want one? You what? Just said it. No no no because you didn't just say it. You kept saying it. You see you see that bear right in there. There's every single bit of chat you've sent. Every single voice note. Every single video statements signed and sealed. Everything's in there. Made. Made. Excuse me. Hello. Talking to you. In your brain to do this thing. You got grandkids in you? Do you understand what to do to kids? Disturb kids for the rest of life. Some kids goes haywire, goes and drugs, everything over it. Some kids kills herself over it. And you're the bling. What would you do? You know how you spoke to this child and what you did. I'm just going to try and go past. What would you do? I watch I watch a lot of problems little kids. Yeah they do. Yeah. Drugs. Yeah. It turns prostitutes gay. Cos they feel the nothing about themselves. Piece of **** Yeah. That piece of rubbish. Yeah. What would you do if someone spoke to your granddaughter the way that. Probably it masturbate itself. Has he been turned on or would? Same reaction you have. Hey? Same reaction you got towards murder, the same reaction. So so why do it to why why what gives you the right to do its children then? Stupid. I tell you what I will do with you mate. And I mean this here on my kids' life. And I've got I got four kids. And I swear in their life. You're ought to be glad that you're on this camp. If you was on our camp you wouldn't get the chance of these. Understand. You'd be in a box. Okay. You'll be dead before we before any police or anybody get to you. And I'd make sure on that. See? I really respect these guys because both of them they helped us try to find you both camps. We risked it. But they have been fantastic. And you're here now. So we can hand you over safely to the police with all this evidence. You what? No we'll wait. Ever was done. No I would do it. No. Do what? Yeah because you were be away from here don't you? Oh please come in. We can't go walking off because they know where we are. Did they give you an ETA or did what did they say? We're not going nowhere. What did they say? No you won't. You're not going nowhere. You're not going nowhere. No you can wait here. Cos otherwise the problem is we walk you off. These guys here are going to have to protect you all the way over to there. At least here we're safe. If he goes he he won't be walking. No. I promise you that. And you think you can come back to a site like this? No. So why? Why do it? You will never be seen in the village again. Why do it? How long you've been here? So why do it then? You what? Desperation. What do you mean desperation? Explain to me what you mean by desperation. What's why are you desperate? What desperation to speak to a child? Desperation for what then? So you've been with your partner? You got a place to live? What you desperate about? What made you think I know I'm going to try and blackmail a child. Make her fall in love with me. Tell her that I've been sleeping with I've slept with an underage child before. Giving you giving her name. Giving her details. Everything like that. Sending her masturbation videos. Begging her to masturbate. Even if the neighbours can see. Just turn around. Hide. What why are you desperate to do that? I can't hear you. What'd you say? Affection. Affection? You wanted affection from a child. What about your partner? What do you mean he wanted affection? Why would you want affection from a child? I can't hear you. What do you say? Say it again. What did you say? Andrew, turn around and talk to us. Come on. You need to speak up. Turn around and talk to us. Tell me why. Why you started it? What? Cos you're feeling lonely. So what about your parents? What about your grandchildren? What about your mates? Why are you feeling lonely? Why not talk to an adult? You what? No one else to talk to? Yeah his partners don't talk. Oh okay but why not go onto a a a site and talk to adults? I was talking to adults. So what so why talk to a child? Sorry. No child spoke to you first. You said she said hi. No no you contacted her first. Um I have all the evidence here. This child this child was me and I know this child was me. I know who contacted you first. You contacted the child first. You contacted the child both times first. We got all the evidence down there. So don't even go there. She lost her account. She made a new one up. You found her. She didn't answer you. You sent about 10 messages. Speak to me. I'm going to otherwise I'm going to put all you all over social media that you're only 14 years old. I'm going to tell everyone. Talk to me. No. You were going to black me but you said if you don't talk to me So why were you going to do that? Too far that was mine. But why were you going to why did you want a black man had to talk to you in the first place? And then you go and tell her exactly what people on that site do about blackmailing and everything. Why? How'd you know that? Because you've done that before. So is that what gave you the idea? I'm going to try that. Cos you started off and though that down that that pattern of blackmailing huh? So you're going to try and do that to begin with weren't you? Didn't occur to him first. You what? Didn't occur to him first. But what so why were you talking to her about it? I lost control of it. You only spoke to she lost her her account. You found out her age. That was it. You said hi. She said hi. You found out about the age. Then you had a little tiny brief bit of chat. Then she lost her account. I didn't know that. What? No. But then you found her again. You found her on a new one and you were going hi what happened? And you were going on and on. Why won't you talk to me? I know you can read my messages. I know your age. I know you're not. I know I'm going to tell everyone on social media. So why blackmail her? See you. And I was wrong. Got out of hand. The things you did and tried to make this child do. The emotional games. The voice notes of telling her what you did to another child. Competition. Imagination. But that child wouldn't know his imagination. She would have thought that was real. Wouldn't she? Do you not think that that child because you kept on saying, trust me, trust me, trust me, it's going over and over again, gaining her trust, huh? Is he on the fancy face again? Yeah I'm just wondering again. Yeah. Over and over again you were trying to get her to trust you weren't you? Can you put that stick down please? And then when you got her trust you then wanted her to masturbate. And then it was like well why won't you send me a photo? And if you care about me you'd send me a photo. So why did you want her to? No first of all it was you wanted one over and over again you kept asking and then when she kept saying no she's shy she'd been told she can't all that sort of stuff she was scared and eventually you then turn around and said to her if you cared about me you'd send one. Yeah but can you see how quickly it escalated? It escalated from trying to backmail her. Trying to tell her that you'd had sex with other children. Another child. Of of that was her age at the time. Trying to trying to gain her trust over and over again. Babes love you. Yeah I **** feelings for you. It was going over and over again. And then all of a sudden it was I feel hard. Do you know what that is? Explaining about that. Then it was the the the dick pic. See I've shown you my mine. You can show me yours. Hold on. Then it was trying to get in with the dogs. You know you've got dogs and then you sent a pic a video and you could hear the child in the background. And then like yes like today it was like it oh no for the last couple of days it was trying to get to aspect all the time. Didn't matter where her mum was. You wanted to undo her trousers and put her hand down there. Tell me what it feels like. Do it. Go on. Do it. She was scared wasn't she? Was she not scared? Well summer coming past I'm not going to read it out. Bye. Alright. It was over and over again wasn't it? Mum's in the other room. Ah. Bus. Is it gone? They're coming. They're on their way. Okay. Over and over and over again wasn't it? Getting her to do it. Getting her to do it. And then it was the picture. Send me a picture. Then you sent the video of yourself masturbating where I could hear your granddaughter. I felt sick. That's why we come straight out here now. Sick. How could you even get turned on when you've got your your lovely partner there? And children there. How can you do that? Tell me what went through your head. Is that where you talked to her? Did you talk to her when when the partner went to bed late at night? Yeah. So how come they is that way because you went out for a walk and did the voice notes. Is that so they couldn't hear? Okay. Just to explain what went through your head. Why would you do that when you've got people in in the same caravan as you? Absolutely sick. Do you know how lucky you were that these lovely people work with us to come get you off their site? Big respect for the for is it travelling community here isn't it yeah? Big respect for them. We've went from one to another. We thought you were in the other place first of all and then we thought do we don't we? They've been absolutely fantastic trying to help us locate you. And you're lucky they handed us you to us safely. You know that don't you? Why? Why? Did you just wake up one morning and think I like children? Why then? Why? But you must do. Nobody else. The police here. Nobody else. Nobody else could get a hard on unless there a man is sexually excited. Wasn't it? Wasn't that hard so it must have been slightly hard. You're just one lady? Yeah. Just one lady. Andy. Look at me. Look at me. Look at me in the eye. Leave our children alone. Do you hear? Oh. Right so you know what's going to happen now? So obviously your partner gave me your phone. As soon as sandwich bag ready to hand over. So they're going to seize your phone. You will be taken away questioned. Best bet for you if you tell them the truth. Can you just go and ask them not to video us? And then don't know what's going to happen then. Might be released under investigation or bail. You might be held on remark. Depends on what they find on your phone. Have you deleted all the messages and stuff that you've been sending? No. Okay. No. Three? Well, they'll make that decision whether they're curfew or not. They'll make that decision. For feeling nice they won't. Yes I have yeah. Give me give me 2 minutes. Yes. Right he's been arrested. Right. I just wanted to say a big big thank you to the travelling community here. They they've been absolutely fantastic. Trying to help us. Hold on. Trying to help us oh. Here's talk to me. Hold on. Sorry guys. She's gone off again. So yeah just going to go over the evidence he's already been taken into the back of the van. The the the travellers guys. They're absolutely absolutely amazing. So understanding. So helpful. And yeah they couldn't they couldn't have been any more helpful whatsoever. Absolutely fantastic from the guys. Absolutely fantastic. Thanks a lot mate. Thank you so much. We Step back. Right sorry. Where was I going? Yeah. So I just want yeah a a huge thank you to the travelling community down here. We went onto one site. They walked around with us to try and find him and then they drove us to the second site and they went and got them out and handed them to us which is absolutely fantastic. Um he's been absolutely vile and the the worry was this afternoon so I was down here was because he was masturbating with his child in the caravan so yeah a big big thank you to everybody involved and trying to find us help us find him. Um and I'm just so glad he's gone. So yes please share this. I know we lost our page but please share this out for awareness because if there is a real child involved we'd like to find him and obviously the police will anyway. So but yeah excellent. Thank you so much and keep your eyes peeled on the page because we may be getting another one later. So I shall catch you later. Alright take care. Bye. Oh thank you to the security and everything. Goodbye. And admin.