The Elder Scrolls (commonly referred to as TES) is an award-winning series of roleplaying games created by Bethesda Softworks. Set in the vast world of Nirn, The Elder Scrolls series is renowned for the level of unprecedented control given to the player over their character's destiny, establishing itself as the benchmark in immersive, independently-living worlds for the RPG genre.
I'm VERY concerned about his role in TES 6, how is the whole accusation thing going on?
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I've heard that he is not a great person and difficult to work with, but man..his soundtracks are so good and i think it will be a major blow to the tone of TES6 without him. Inon Zurs music is good too, but i don't believe he is the right fit for Elder Scrolls.
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He was less than super with his female colleagues in the past.
will be dead until its released anyway... like how long they wanna do skyrim releases, there is already 16 versions of skyrim.... pc switch ps 5 ps4 x box definitiv edition, skyrim vr, skyrim bla bla bla
Yeah, and if he did do the soundtrack, I would want him to make the music in his own style, not trying to emulate Soule, but agree that Soule's music is a better fit for TES.
I’m not siding in either or BUT if Jeremy doesn’t take action on the allegations, then we’ll know the truth after all.
I wish he could compose for ES in secret. There is no other composer like him
Artists sometimes use an alias
If you didn't know Soule wasn't in VI and nobody told you, you probably would not have figured it out. There are thousands of composers who could fill his shoes, even in his style. It's an extremely competitive field. The fact that people even know his name is probably just good PR marketing from his brand.
I know he is not in ES6, and you can already tell that by a generic trailer music
You mean the Oblivion theme that Soule wrote? Yup.
If you're trying to sound smart, you should at least attribute the theme to Morrowind, for which it was originally composed.
Trailer music is never an indication of what direction the score to a game/movie will take lol
I got into Jeremy Soule's music through the Harry Potter games he did. Those soundtracks don't get much attention. I was absolutely fascinated about all of the incredible themes and the atmosphere he was able to create. Then, only because I wanted to know what Soule's music could accomplish in a really well-made game, I started to play Skyrim and was absolutely awestruck. Just walking around and listening to his music was a real meditative experience for me. Since then I listen to Jeremy Soule everyday and night, he can provoke such emotions like I have never witnessed with any other music. Compared to that all of the other game music sound like some a generic, heartless, "epic" product.
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You'll like whoever they get for VI. You'll forget who Jeremy Soule even is. Atmospheric soundtracks are much easier than Nobuo Uematsu type stuff which is borderline prog rock.
You clearly don’t know much about making music. People always think it’s odd time signatures and complex phrasing that are difficult to make, when in fact it takes tons more talent and work to create million-layered orchestral scores that don’t sound shitty or generic. As to Soule, the dude’s a genius, hands down. His stuff gets to the very core of you, all of it, from Icewind Dale to the TES series… I think there are only a few composers today who have explored such depths of how music effects consciousness. You should check out his lecture on therapeutic effects of music, it’s mind blowing
Sorry, but you have obviously never let yourself go to the beauty of his tracks. Just give a listen to Aurora or Sky Above Voice Within and tell me that just about anyone could've composed something of that scope or beauty.
Words just can't describe the beauty of Aurora. Sometimes I can't believe it's real and how lucky we are that it exists.
I'm currently listening to an album called "Fantasy Realm" by an artist called "Rubric" I read that this is secretly Jeremy Soule but I'm not sure.
Wow! I'll give it a listen!
Found it on YouTube and it definitely scratches my Soule itch!
I did some digging. This is the work of one Kyle Preston. I find YouTube rather compresses the life out of music and am always keen to support artists I like so I was delighted to find him on Bandcamp. And sure enough, there's Fantasy Realm!
https://kylepreston.bandcamp.com/album/fantasy-realm
Thanks for sharing... I thought it too good to be true but upon my first listen of that album... it sounds very similar to the Skyrim soundtrack. Even the instruments used and the way they’re mixed, there’s even choral voices that sound like the exact same ones used in Skyrim.
Regardless if it’s him or not though, the music is gorgeous and I’m definitely gonna deep dive this artist’s work these next few days.
There's a very real possibility that it's not Soule and that OMG there's hundreds of thousands of composers who can make beautiful music
Amen, he is wayyy better than almost any other composer out there. It's a fecking shame he let his narcissism and weird sexual urges destroy himself. What a waste.
Guys listen to NWN 2 ost, it’s not any worse than his TES compositions
Composers have very distinctive styles. I have had random people come up and recognise Bach without knowing the specific piece. Modern composers are no different. I recognise Kajiura Yuki without seeing the credits often, and have recognised Jeremy Soule's music as well. He's not just some half-assed composer with good marketing. Some people may be capable of creating similar music to his, but no composer today is capable of fully filling his shoes.
I will not contest whether he is or isn't a good human, but whether he is a good human and whether he is a good composer are two wholly separate things.
Was never in question. You're being a tad defensive. I'm saying that in 2022 if you look hard enough, everyone is replaceable and the average person and maybe even some further educated people wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
For every video game composer in the field, there's 1000 as talented or even more talented looking to take their job
And I'm saying that despite however many others there may be, I've yet to see anybody write music the way Jeremy Soule does.
Let's not be stupid, shall we. There are not 1000 people who make music like JS.
This comment couldn't be more wrong. The soundtrack for Blades is complete shit compared to Oblivion
You're attaching your personal little nostalgia feelings to a name on a screen and commenting on something I said eight months ago.
Sure, Inon Zur's approach is a little more bombastic, but it's a freakin mobile game, how loud are you going to be hearing it anyway? Would ambient even work for mobile? Probably not.
Be more open-minded. Soule is gone. Get over it.
lol.
To quote the film, Barton Fink;
"You swell-headed hypocrite - You think you're the only one that can give me that 'Barton Fink' feeling? I've got twenty writers under contract that I can ask for a Fink type thing from!"
Like honestly, who's to say the next composer isn't better than Soule? I got pretty fuckin sick of the Skyrim soundtrack if I'm being honest.
I can't stand this purist thinking. Just because you like something doesn't mean it has to stay that way forever.
lol
Wrong. People often notice when something is not right about the music when composer for the next project changes.
I guess you are projecting your own inability to detect diferences in music styles.
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With all due respect dude - they're really not.
hahaha, why should he do it in secret? false accusations of rape made for clout and jealousy are not uncommon
To be honest, I searched for the name of the composer after I heard the Dragonborn song.
The songs must have a secret touch.
I was under the impression that he wasn’t involved in TES6
That's it, it's time to call Hans Zimmer.
Soule is a controversial figure, but it says something about his talent that he is so easily mentioned in the same breath as geniuses like Zimmer.
I think Soule is leagues better than Zimmer.
Soule is creative. Not Zimmer (well not anymore. He did great things most of the time back in the days, now each time you view a movie you have a too big chance to fall in the Zimmer world). With Jeremy Soule you can definitely feel the passion for mood composing in each of his masterpieces, it's magnificent, relaxing, you always take part of a little yet great journey just with these sounds. While with Hans I feel more like hearing "industrial random music". It leads nowhere particular, just support one fight scene amongst others. It's not bad, just far from what a subtle composer can achieve
Completely agree
Zimmer is hit-or-miss for me. Far from genius, in my opinion, but he has a few decent soundtracks. Problem is he uses the same styling/motif too much, way too repetitive.
Zimmer has not composed any music in the last decade or more that resembled having motivic cohesion, which is precisely what makes TES music so memorable. I doubt Zur would pull it off either.
Please no
It's really a tragedy. TES will never be the same without him. Just play Glory of Cyrodill. Those moments will never come back.
I listen his musics almost every day.
I'm a BIG fan of TES but honestly i'm not sure to play to TES6 if he's not involved.
Inon Zur might be great but his music never has the ability to touch the deepest part of your being like Soul does.
I completely disagree. Soule's music has been sublime and incredible, I love his composing. BUT! You need to check out Inon Zur's soundtrack for Champions of Norrath (the first one), it's easily up there with Soule's work.
Here's a perfect example of Inon Zur's work in a high-fantasy game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FstF-blY38
Or this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm2AWsThpBY
Inon Zur could create one of the best TES soundtracks ever heard if he creates music of this caliber for TES6.
It's good but nowhere close to Soule.
Example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqkQRgGdAPo
Yes, that music is just incredible and only one composer could do it that astonishingly well.
Zur wrote the Blades soundtrack. Not Soule, but still good.
..bah.
I listen to tons of game soundtracks but must say, I have not found a single track by inon zur worth keeping. Meh. Dunno what the fuss is about, honestly.
You all might check the TES Blades soundtrack, written by Zur. While Soule definitely has his own flavor for the ES games, and it would sting a little not to have him on ES6, Zur has good work in already and I don't think it would take away from the gameplay too badly.
Music for blades suck, man.
He's 100% not coming back. I think Bethesda will turn to Inon Zur instead
Ugh nowhere near as good
I like Soule’s works as much as the best person, but let’s not let that take away from Zur’s incredible works as well. Some of the best games I’ve played, including from Bethesda, had their phenomenal OSTs composed by him
I wasn’t a huge fan of Fallout 4’s OST. I didn’t really like the vibe it set
Less epic/intense and more sleepy New England
Which is where the game was set…
Idk, if his work on ES blades is any indication of his ability to capture the ES atmosphere, he's not up to the task. If he has a lot of help, maybe he can do it. But I've listened to other stuff by Inon Zur like Dragon Age and it doesn't come close to what Soule did
I loved the DA:O soundtrack. I think he nailed the colors perfectly, even if the motifs weren’t all great.
It's not about Inon Zur being bad it's about Inon Zur not being as good as Jeremy Soule.
Not true. While Soule's work on TES is LEGENDARY as is his work on Guild Wars, Inon Zur is no slouch. In fact, he also is one of the best video game composers of all time as well in my opinion. Check out his work for the game Champions of Norrath. The music there is some of the best I have EVER heard in a video game, some take your breath away and are just awe inspiringly beautiful or cool. Inon Zur COULD do a good job actually though it will never feel the same without Soule. Soule is...well the "SOULE" of TES. Any game he works on is at least 30-50 percent as good as it is BECAUSE of his music that becomes like part of the world itself, inseparable. Perfect example of Inon Zur's work:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pin5oqi-H-U
This theme is legendary in itself. Inon Zur can compose VERY VERY well. This song has haunted me since I was a child for how absolutely breathtakingly beautiful it is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FstF-blY38If Inon Zur does TES6, I'm sure it will be fantastic however much I will miss Soule's atmospheres.
And let's not forget this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm2AWsThpBY
Inon Zur actually could create one of the best TES soundtracks ever heard if he writes at this same level of music from back when he did Champions of Norrath in like 2004.
Yeah, Inon Zur is good. I am surprised to never hear him mentioned as the composer of Throne or Bhaal though, I really liked that soundtrack. If I recall correctly, Michael Hoenig composed the base game, but Inon Zur the expansion.
I like both composers. I tend to lean more towards serene tracks from soundtracks. My favorite from Soule has to be Streets Of Whiterun. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6lWntKl588 My favorite from Zur would have to be Sons Of Forgotten Kings from LOTR War In The North. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9v9zokm5D4E But yeah I don't know if he would have the same feel. Time will tell if it ever happens.
🤕 agreed, serviceable and often fun but...
Thats disappointing news.
No new info; if he steps down I wouldn’t feel too bad about it.
I still refuse to forgive that bastard for stealing Kickstarter money for the Northerners album.
wait, what happened with that..?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vg247.com/2019/01/14/jeremy-soule-kickstarter-northerner-symphony-release/amp/
And just in case you’re still willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, two years later (this article was posted in 2019) he still hasn’t delivered what he promised, lol. So that makes it over 8 years now.
He couldn’t complete them because of the shit that happened, while also having all his sources of income cut since despite their being zero evidence
But the thing is, he got six figures in Kickstarter money over 8 years ago, and said the timeline was a year. No problem - he should just admit he goofed and it will take 3-4 years. But accusations in 2018 shouldn’t have interfered with that. Of course we may never know what really happened in his personal life, but I understand why people feel jaded after such a long Kickstarter process. Blaming it all on unrelated stuff is just silly.
There*
If there was zero evidence then he could sue them for defamation.
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If this development is anything to go off of, I wouldn’t hold your breath on ever getting it.
I’m a big fan of his music as well; I just can’t get behind him as a person though.
Album was released 1 year ago
I haven't heard anything, but at this juncture they just need to keep him away from video games. If I recall correctly it's multiple allegations, which is sort of a big thing when it comes to the credibility of allegations like this.
There were only 2 and neither had any proof, and had more holes in them than Mike Tyson’s
In todays age you don’t need any proof, or even a trial, you are automatically guilty and will lose everything over an allegation. Already betting ES6 soundtrack won’t top skyrim’s
And that's a great shame(
Guilty until proven innocent lol
Gotta love the 2020's
If you accuse someone of X, but don't take them to court (as seems to be the case rn), then I am inclined to believe the accused over you, since if the accused had done X that you claim they had, then you would have taken them to court over that, as any normal person would a criminal
That man gave soul to the elder scrolls. He did far more for that game series than any of the actual game did. And we’ve seen what Bethesda thinks is acceptable for video games recently. If they don’t have him in there there is a good chance I won’t play that game. That’s if it even ever comes out.
Nice pun
I doubt he will be involved in TES 6. Even if Bethesda asked for him, Microsoft would not allow it, regardless if charges are brought or not. Microsoft has a ton of money and probably has dozens of capable composers on speed dial. They wouldn't risk hiring him because they don't need to.
Which is a sad state of affairs.
Not one allegation was followed by legal action, not one... But he's allowed to be cancelled for it?
Not saying I agree with it just saying that's the norm these days. Microsoft won't want to take the risk. The thing is, these allegations might be survivable but what if Microsoft pays him then the day after the game releases 10 more women come forward and charges are laid? Not worth the risk to a big company in the cancel culture of today.
Oh yeah I know dude I wasn't replying as you agree, just adding my two pence on the situation.
I don’t know how to feel about the situation. Without Soule’s music TES games wouldn’t be as amazing as they are, and so I think that any other composer couldn’t achieve what he has, but at the same time he doesn’t deserve to compose the music for TES IV, because then he’s getting away with that awful shit that he did