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On this episode of Celtics Beat, Adam Kaufman and Evan Valeti are joined by Sean Grande, the voice of the Celtics for the Boston Celtics Radio Network. Sean joins the show to discuss Boston's 4-1 start, why other contenders are already feeling pressure, and why Al Horford is the new Tom Brady. All that, and much more!  Twitter: @SeanGrandepbp    6:06 Can the Celtics guarantee victory based on 3’s made?  11:41 Other contenders already feeling angst   26:07 Comparisons to 2009 Celtics   34:05 Conversations/connections to ’08 Big 3  44:27 Porzingis update  ******************************************  CLNS Media is Powered by:   Prize Picks - https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/CLNS Download the app today and use Code CLNS when you sign up & Get $50 instantly when you play $5!   Gametime - https://gametime.co Take the guesswork out of buying NBA tickets with Gametime. Download the Gametime app, create an account, and use code CLNS for $20 off your first purchase. Download Gametime today. Terms apply. What time is it? Gametime!

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00:00:00Celtics Beat is brought to you by Price Picks and the Game Time app.

00:00:07What's up everyone? Brand new Celtics Beat to close out the month of October.

00:00:11It is Halloween. Happy Halloween.

00:00:13And for those of you out there that are listening,

00:00:16I guess this doesn't really apply to you as much as those watching on the CLNS YouTube page.

00:00:22But visually, it's a visual suck.

00:00:25None of us came in the spirit of Halloween.

00:00:29None of us are dressed up, unless I guess we're just dressed up as Celtics podcasters or something like that.

00:00:35I didn't put any real forethought into that.

00:00:38Maybe I would have come in the old Batman costume that I've got stashed in the closet.

00:00:43Ev, you're just dressed as a...

00:00:46I'm dressed to kill, per usual.

00:00:48You're dressed to kill. Just your day job.

00:00:50And then Sean Grandy, of course, the voice of the Celtics who we have had on a number of times here.

00:00:58It depends whether we catch you at home or catch you on the road.

00:01:01We catch you at home, we know what backdrop we're expecting.

00:01:04You're on the road. Could be any number of different things.

00:01:07But what? T-shirt? That's pretty much all we're working with here?

00:01:11You get the road. That's the road uniform, essentially.

00:01:14I could angle a thing and show you the city of Charlotte, North Carolina, out the window.

00:01:19But there's lighting issues and whatever.

00:01:21Everyone can just use their imagination.

00:01:23People can make their own backgrounds.

00:01:25I assumed that within this world, is this the equivalent of November sweeps?

00:01:30That you go and get the big star for this?

00:01:32That you were gearing up, building up to this?

00:01:35I don't know how the ratings work.

00:01:37Neither do we.

00:01:38That's a great question.

00:01:39I just want to...

00:01:41You keep talking shit to Grandy when you're wearing a Tune Squad T-shirt.

00:01:44Like, what are we doing here?

00:01:46Just a big, space T-shirt.

00:01:48I married into Michigan, so...

00:01:50Oh, there you go.

00:01:51Yeah.

00:01:52Nice win against Michigan State last time.

00:01:54When your school doesn't play football anymore.

00:01:57This is a true story.

00:01:59Back in my youth, when I was the next big thing, I'd go to ABC.

00:02:03There's Keith Jackson and Brent Musburger.

00:02:05One of the things we had to do on the first day of college football meetings is go and shoot these little things for what now is ESPN+.

00:02:12But back then was ESPN Game Plan, where they would run all these college football games.

00:02:16And you'd have to say, I'm Sean McDonough.

00:02:18Watch my school, Syracuse, on ESPN Game Plan.

00:02:21And they're lining everybody up, and they get to me, and I'm like, I can't do this.

00:02:26And I'm sure they thought I was some...

00:02:28Who the hell is this kid, like, refusing to do this thing?

00:02:31I'm like, yeah, my school just dropped football.

00:02:33It's not that I won't.

00:02:35It's not that I won't.

00:02:36It's that, hey, we were undefeated a few years ago, but now, yeah, we dropped football, and there's Title IX, and the whole thing.

00:02:43So I'm just going to stand over here.

00:02:46I'm just going to lay out.

00:02:47Let McDonough and the rest do their thing.

00:02:50I do want to do a quick shout-out, by the way.

00:02:52This is not an affiliated sponsorship with the show or anything like that, although maybe one day.

00:02:57That would be fun.

00:02:58The 90s department, Geo at the 90s department, for those of you that haven't checked it out, you should go to the website.

00:03:04Some cool stuff.

00:03:05He sent me a hat, this cool Celtics hat, just to show people who are watching.

00:03:09It's a cool look.

00:03:10I just wanted to give him a shout-out, represent this thing a little bit.

00:03:14You want to send me free stuff?

00:03:15You want to send Sean free stuff at the same time?

00:03:17Yeah, well, I'll take free stuff.

00:03:18I don't know how confidence you want to get free stuff here.

00:03:20It's driving me crazy.

00:03:21So not only do you go for the biggest star you can possibly get, now you're trying to throw ads into the thing at the same time.

00:03:28Like you said.

00:03:29We're really embracing it.

00:03:34Look, we've got to get excited about something.

00:03:36It's not like the Celtics are going to go 98-0 or something like that.

00:03:39Undefeated is off the table at this point in time.

00:03:42Only the Cavaliers and the Thunder, expectedly kind of the Thunder, obviously.

00:03:47Only these two teams are sitting at the top of their respective conferences.

00:03:52The Celtics no longer perfect after this overtime loss at Indiana.

00:03:56A game in which, look, I thought they were going to cover.

00:03:58I thought they'd cover the six and a half, seven points, depending on where you like to shop around.

00:04:03Just mix in a little bit of betting talk.

00:04:05But, you know, maybe if they hadn't played with their food at the beginning and fallen down by 20-plus points, it might have happened.

00:04:11It was a nice comeback.

00:04:12They didn't roll over.

00:04:13Obviously respect that.

00:04:15And I'm kidding.

00:04:16Nobody was going to go undefeated.

00:04:18We all know that.

00:04:19The Celtics, they are off to a banner start, you might say.

00:04:23Four and one.

00:04:24Some really impressive wins against the would-be contenders in the Eastern Conference as well.

00:04:31Blew out the Knicks in the opener, as we talked about last week.

00:04:34Most recently took down Dame and Giannis and the Bucs as well.

00:04:39And we expected a competitive game with the Pacers.

00:04:41Certainly a competitive playoff series last year.

00:04:44Even though it only went four games, every game was close.

00:04:46And so that's a team to keep an eye on in the Eastern Conference.

00:04:49But now we've got this five-game sample to start off the year.

00:04:52And where I want to start is, Sean, I was asked going into that game, what are your expectations for tonight?

00:04:58You know, I'm doing this interview, and I boiled it down to this.

00:05:02And in a lot of ways, you could kind of boil every game down to this, I recognize.

00:05:06But I was just specifically talking about this one with the Pacers.

00:05:10I said, you know, Celtics, you know they're going to take their 45-plus threes.

00:05:14Wound up being almost 60.

00:05:15But they're going to take their 45-plus threes, and they hit 40% of them.

00:05:20They're going to win going away.

00:05:21They hit between 30% and 35%.

00:05:23It's going to be a close game, and who knows?

00:05:25Maybe they'll lose.

00:05:26They end up shooting 33%.

00:05:28And, you know, we saw what happened, obviously.

00:05:30Is it that simple with these Celtics, given the volume, obviously, that Missoula ball dictates?

00:05:37That if you reach a certain benchmark, you're the stats guy.

00:05:41Reach a certain benchmark when it comes to these three-pointers,

00:05:44then you can all but guarantee victory, whereas they fall just a little bit below that,

00:05:49and you're in for a dogfight.

00:05:51The stat guy?

00:05:52Yeah, exactly.

00:05:53When they induct me into the Hall of Fame, is that what they're going to say?

00:05:56It's going to be part of the tombstone, yeah.

00:06:00To some degree, it is that simple in this regard.

00:06:04I don't want to go over anybody's head, but here's a literary reference.

00:06:07In a great classic early episode of The Simpsons, when Abu is trying to get his citizenship, right,

00:06:13and Homer is teaching him all this crazy stuff or whatever,

00:06:15and he studies all these studies for the citizenship test, and they ask him what was the test,

00:06:20what was the cause of the Civil War?

00:06:21He said, well, outside the obvious conflict between abolitionists and anti-abolitionists,

00:06:25there were several factors, and the guy's like, just say slavery.

00:06:29Slavery it is, sir.

00:06:31Obviously, it's extremely complicated what causes the Celtics to shoot that,

00:06:35but if you extrapolate the numbers afterwards, when the Celtics don't get past 34%, 35%,

00:06:41that's when they become mortal.

00:06:43The real reason last night was that the Pacers defended the three-point line extremely well early in the game.

00:06:49The reason the Celtics got back in it was because Indiana doesn't know how to play slow.

00:06:53They don't know how to play with a lead, and all of a sudden,

00:06:56they had a lead that should be impossible to surrender.

00:06:59When you're up by 22 at home with 8 1⁄2 to go, you should be able to milk that baby,

00:07:04and they don't know how to do it.

00:07:05They can't run their offense, but defensively, I thought they were really good,

00:07:08and maybe not having Turner ended up helping them a little bit in that they were a little smaller,

00:07:14more athletic, and more mobile defensively.

00:07:16And when you think about the threes, what was so striking, as the Celtics are ruining basketball,

00:07:21as everybody's saying for the first week of the season,

00:07:23what was so striking on opening night and some of these early games is how open the three-point shots have been,

00:07:30that the spacing has been so good that you're watching Derrick White and obviously Al,

00:07:35and even Jason would get a couple, getting open threes.

00:07:38And if you think back to Wednesday night at Indiana, how many of those shots at the beginning were open?

00:07:43The Celtics were an ordinary three-point shooting team

00:07:46because they were really being guarded well at the three-point line.

00:07:50Yeah, sometimes with the lack of Turner inside, it almost felt like it was easier for Boston to get those layups right in the basket.

00:07:57It almost felt like Indiana was like, hey, you'll try and take as many threes as you want,

00:08:03but you'll end up trading them for twos, which is exactly what I criticized New York for.

00:08:07The opening night was like, how are you guys passing up open threes to take tough twos against a team that took 63s?

00:08:14The math's not going to work.

00:08:16This Indiana team, I find fascinating because of just their ability to say,

00:08:23defensively, we're not going to, let's say try hard, but it's not going to be our priority.

00:08:29Our main priority is getting good shots down the other end, and they always do.

00:08:33And even some of the tough ones that they make, like Pascal Siakam's three to win the game at the end of the game was not an easy shot.

00:08:41And Pascal's not the best three-point shooter in the world.

00:08:44So when you look at everything, first off, I want to thank everybody for not freaking out after a loss this year.

00:08:51Last year, I don't know about you, Sean, but I found it nauseating to just after every time the Celtics lost,

00:08:57everybody's having a meltdown, at least like today doesn't feel like it's so bad.

00:09:01Real quick, keep in mind, Sean's good buddy Bill Simmons used to, I don't know if he still does this,

00:09:08but way back when, back in the ESPN page two days, he used to talk about a team winning a championship and you get a grace period, right?

00:09:15Now, where we are in the world and sort of this, what have you done for me lately culture that we live in,

00:09:21I'm not so sure that grace period exists to the same degree that it used to, but I think some of that comes into play.

00:09:28Like if the Celtics weren't just coming off a championship, you would probably have a reaction to that game last night

00:09:35versus the more subdued, whatever, their 4-1.

00:09:40You'd also have a reaction to the game if they had just gotten blown out by 25,

00:09:44that would be different than them coming back from 22 down and forcing overtime and having a real chance to win.

00:09:50And doing it, by the way, with Pritchard and Keita on the floor, I think this weekend is going to be interesting in Charlotte

00:09:56because you get the first back-to-back without Orzingas, which means you're probably going to get some Keita this weekend.

00:10:01You're going to get different looks.

00:10:03But did we not have this conversation the night before either game four or game five of the finals,

00:10:09where we did this once and I said, the Celtics are about to walk through the looking glass to the other side,

00:10:14where you're not only talking about Tatum and Brown as champions, as guys that are going to have their numbers at the top of the building,

00:10:21about Drew Holiday and Al Horford going into the Hall of Fame.

00:10:24The other thing that comes with this is that all of the angst is going to be put on the teams that haven't won.

00:10:30There's not going to be a lot of conversation about the Celtics other than them ruining the game, shooting all the threes,

00:10:35and Joe finding a way to – I began the coach's show last night by saying,

00:10:40did you ever imagine one day, not that you'd win a championship, but you would open your mouth one day

00:10:45in a random radio interview with our flagship station and it was going to be a national topic the next day?

00:10:52And that is where we are with Joe.

00:10:55But the angst is going to be – you already can feel it with Milwaukee, with Philadelphia, with the Denver bench.

00:11:02That's where the angst is going to go.

00:11:04And meanwhile, the Celtics, unless they win 46 or 47 games or something like that happens,

00:11:09it won't – there'll be bad nights and people will react badly.

00:11:14Here's what you're going to get with the Celtics this year. Here's the negative.

00:11:17The Knights will come up where they go, what, eight for 38 from three and lose.

00:11:22And people will say, oh, they shoot too many threes and they've got to stop shooting threes.

00:11:25When they shoot threes, win 64 games, win a championship walking backwards, and start 4-0

00:11:31because they're shooting threes, nobody says anything about it.

00:11:34It's only on the nights that they lose people will complain about them shooting too many threes

00:11:39when everybody else in the league is trying to copy what they do.

00:11:43Yeah, that's my favorite part.

00:11:45People didn't watch last year and just say – last year was an abnormality that they won 64 games

00:11:52and went 16-3 in the playoffs and pretty much boat raced everybody to their 18th banner.

00:11:57Everybody complaining. That killed me.

00:12:00And again, it comes back to this particular point that you hammered – again, Sean, you had this in February.

00:12:07I want to say January, February you came on here and you were like, look, if everything goes,

00:12:11like it's gone the first couple of months of this season, this is going to be one of the best teams

00:12:15anybody's ever seen, and they're going to raise a banner, and it's going to be – this is going to be a –

00:12:20this is a championship team right here.

00:12:22And that particular segment that people ran with the first couple of days of the season drove me crazy

00:12:28because, again, we are devaluing how special this group truly is.

00:12:34And I mean group from Brad Stevens all the way down to like James Springer and Jordan Walsh

00:12:40and everybody at the end of the bench.

00:12:42This is a collective unit that is breaking the mold of basketball and rewriting a new chapter.

00:12:47Like we spoke about Simmons already.

00:12:49I was listening to him and Kurt Goldsberry talk about this new era of three-point shooting

00:12:54and how the Celtics have taken the torch from Steph Curry and those Warriors teams

00:13:00and elevated it to a whole new level.

00:13:02And now they're ushering in a whole new era of three-point shooting to the point where

00:13:09it's not just about the five guys that start this thing.

00:13:12The Celtics are bringing off the bench when they're fully healthy.

00:13:15A 6'1 point guard who, I don't know, is going to shoot 10 threes a game, hit 40 percent of them,

00:13:22and is the best buzzer-beater shooter, not named like Michael Jordan, history of the game.

00:13:26They bring off Sam Houser who shoots 40 percent from three.

00:13:30And then there's 30-whatever-year-old Al Horford who also shoots 40 percent from three.

00:13:34Like they're breaking the mold of shooting in contemporary basketball.

00:13:38And yet we still find ways to just distract and detract from how historically amazing this team is.

00:13:45This has honestly fueled my hatred to the point where I am now, I feel like I'm back in time

00:13:53and I'm a Heat fan when LeBron and Wayne and Bosh meet up.

00:13:56And I'm just like, bring me all your hate. This is delicious.

00:13:59I'm watching spectacular basketball night in and night out, and you guys complain about it?

00:14:04Go ahead, bring it on. I'm enjoying myself.

00:14:06First of all, you feel like they could get the kid that Peyton was playing out in the park,

00:14:10and throw him up there, and he would knock down.

00:14:13He would, too. He'd be all right, knocks you down.

00:14:15They'd be like, all right, yeah, get him. They'd be like, OK, great.

00:14:17It's the end of the quarter. Give it to the kid, right?

00:14:19And he'll run it up the floor and shoot the threes.

00:14:21The angst towards the way they're playing is interesting to me because it's almost as if you would hear people complaining,

00:14:31going, oh, they're throwing all these long passes for touchdowns now,

00:14:34and there's too much scoring, and whatever.

00:14:36I preferred when it was like three yards and a cloud of dust, and it was third and one.

00:14:41I don't quite understand the analogy.

00:14:44Like, oh, man, Gretzky and Messier, they're ruining the NHL, scoring six or seven goals a game.

00:14:49I want those. Where's the neutral zone trap?

00:14:52I want to see the Devils and Flyers play that one-nothing game.

00:14:55I don't quite understand where that comes from, other than it's the how's my driving theory,

00:14:59which I've used for many years, which certainly applies to my field,

00:15:02which is, again, a philosophy I've learned to live by to remind people that nobody ever, ever, ever picks up the phone number

00:15:11when they see that how's my driving bumper sticker and calls in and says, hey, I just want to tell you,

00:15:16I saw your driver back out of this loading dock into two lanes of traffic and merge perfectly on the highway,

00:15:21and I just wanted to let you know that.

00:15:22Jeff's kiss.

00:15:23Right. That doesn't happen.

00:15:25People are only going to complain, and it's a social media age.

00:15:28But, yeah, it is interesting.

00:15:31And the angst that came with last year, I'm sure I said it here.

00:15:34I think that was that quote that people pulled, I think, was when I was on with you guys,

00:15:38when I said, what if there is no game sixes or game sevens or something like that,

00:15:42which is what turned out to be true, because I've been around long enough to see it, right,

00:15:47to know that that's how things go, that teams that dominate like that in the regular season.

00:15:52And even 08, the funny thing about 08, that team did go wire to wire, which obviously this team won't,

00:15:59and last year's didn't either, because Philadelphia had first place for when the Celtics lost games,

00:16:03the sixth and seventh games last year, the Celtics lost after starting five and 0,

00:16:06so they didn't go wire to wire.

00:16:07The 08 team did, wire to wire in the regular season, wire to wire in the playoffs,

00:16:12and that team lost 10 playoff games.

00:16:14Yeah.

00:16:15There was all kinds of angst against Atlanta and LeBron and Cleveland and whatever,

00:16:19and that is, people look at the 08 team as the standard of, you know, all those 66 wins,

00:16:25wire to wire, never trailed in a playoff series, that is domination, and last year's team blew that away.

00:16:32They had a much higher scoring differential and lost three games in a playoff set, not 10.

00:16:37But people didn't appreciate that.

00:16:40I think there's going to be a little more appreciation now.

00:16:42I think seeing the rings and the banner and the grace, you're not going to get it from everybody,

00:16:47and you can choose to take one comment on Twitter and go, look at these fans.

00:16:50They don't appreciate.

00:16:51I think it's a different ballgame now, and people understand it.

00:16:55But at the time, what I kept saying was not, it wasn't about predicting that they were going to win.

00:16:59If you remember, it was more like, people, look at this.

00:17:02Don't, there was so much more angst for the 18 losses than there was joy in the 64 wins because of what had happened earlier.

00:17:1108 didn't have that.

00:17:1208 was its own thing that they won in their first year together.

00:17:17People had seen Tatum and Brown in the playoffs lose, and there was disappointment and fear, which I think this comes from the social media age.

00:17:26It's just much more fear of getting ragged on by fans of other teams and whatever.

00:17:32And no matter, you know, no matter how many of these, the game prep that I would use that I put online about the Celtics have done this amazing thing.

00:17:40It was always, there would always be a couple of people saying, yeah, but they haven't won a championship.

00:17:44The Celtics have won more playoff games than anybody in the last, yeah, but they've only won one championship.

00:17:48But, you know, even the night that people don't, if you listen to the social media crowd, you've got to tune some of that out.

00:17:57When the Celtics won, one of the things I called attention to that night was after years of, he can't win the big one.

00:18:04Jason Tatum being this guy that was a good player, but not a great player, whatever the narrative was.

00:18:09And then he wins at age 26.

00:18:12And I said it in one of the last four minutes of the call.

00:18:16I don't remember everything I said, but I know I referenced the fact that he now has more championships at age 26 than Michael Jordan, Shaq, Steph, all these guys combined.

00:18:28Because they didn't win at 26.

00:18:30And that was just something visceral to see, like understand that Tatum has not won a championship before all these guys.

00:18:36And when you put it out there, and of course, whenever a tweet goes crazy viral, there's always going to be people that see it.

00:18:41And there are people like, now do Kobe.

00:18:43How many did Kobe?

00:18:44Like, no, not the point.

00:18:46So there's always people that will try and pick apart and take stuff down.

00:18:51But at some point, instead of saying, I can't believe these people aren't enjoying it, you got to say, well, that's their problem.

00:18:57You're not enjoying it if you're worried about the people that are.

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00:20:44I am curious, you know, you brought up, obviously, like you joked about it.

00:20:48Yeah, bringing the kid that Peyton played in the park and watch him bring threes.

00:20:52But to a certain degree, that is kind of where I wanted to go with this conversation.

00:20:56You want to bring the kid in?

00:20:57I want to bring the kid in.

00:20:58Give him that hat you brought out and trot him out there.

00:21:02He looked good. He wasn't afraid when Peyton was backing him down toward the basket.

00:21:07He wasn't intimidated. You know, give him credit.

00:21:09It was almost Devin Booker-like, right?

00:21:11It was like, hey, you're on a double team. It's open gym, man.

00:21:13I'll throw my elbow up. No big deal.

00:21:16I'm not worried about you, Peyton. You're not that big.

00:21:19We got into this a little bit, Ev, on last week's show with, as Sean has referenced a couple of times,

00:21:24the narrative, you know, the whole Celtics wrecking the NBA in the number of threes,

00:21:27as if this hasn't been going on.

00:21:29We haven't been building toward this literally for decades.

00:21:32But I think Evan called out a really good point, pardon me,

00:21:35with it's not just obviously the ability of the starting five.

00:21:39It's bringing Peyton. It's bringing Al. It's bringing Hauser.

00:21:43All these guys that can knock down the three.

00:21:45And this is, you know, this is worldwide.

00:21:48Like, the Celtics obviously are very deep and a proficient shooting team.

00:21:52But Bam Adebayo spent the offseason working on his three-point shot.

00:21:57He's taking two three-pointers a game right now.

00:21:59He was taking like five or six per in the preseason just to work on a shot.

00:22:04He is looking, even at this stage of his career, kind of like Al, you know, years back,

00:22:08on extending his range and becoming something of a different player away from the basket.

00:22:13And I just think, obviously, like this, and this is not like this hot take.

00:22:18This is an observation. This is just where we're going.

00:22:21And so, that in mind, how much credit do we give, you know, Brad and company,

00:22:27for being, I don't even think calling it ahead of the curve is the right way to put it.

00:22:34Because, again, they weren't really, maybe in terms of the volume they are,

00:22:38but in terms of the style they're not.

00:22:40When it comes to roster composition and having all of these guys who are bona fide,

00:22:45elite caliber shooters, or is this just where we're going?

00:22:50And in five years, every team, I'm not saying every team is going to be as good

00:22:55or as efficient, but every team is going to kind of look to play that way

00:23:00and kind of be built that way.

00:23:02I was cheating because I want to look up something.

00:23:04I want to bring up another name, the one name you didn't mention on the roster.

00:23:07And it's kind of funny when it comes to three-point shooting,

00:23:09and no one's brought this up yet.

00:23:11But I will answer the Brad one by saying something that,

00:23:15maybe not being ahead of the curve, but being very aware.

00:23:19He's still the coach. He was one of our coaches, shows, whatever, of all the years.

00:23:23You know, the eight years, it's a lot of time on the air.

00:23:26It's like when you think about, I always find it funny when watching the media

00:23:30wrestle with, you know, do jujitsu with Joe before every game,

00:23:35that they don't like getting in that contest.

00:23:37I'm like, well, I'm doing, I can do six, seven minutes with him every night.

00:23:40So you're always looking, the point is you're always looking for new stuff.

00:23:43And I asked Brad when the three-point shooting was really starting to skyrocket.

00:23:48And I said, do you think every sport is cyclical?

00:23:51In football, okay, first there's the 3-4, then there's the 4-3,

00:23:56then people go with the zone blitz.

00:23:57Everything seems to trend and go around in circles.

00:23:59Do you think one day the NBA will, do you think now that it's gotten crazy,

00:24:03with the volume of three-point shooting, it's going to go backwards,

00:24:05the other way, that eventually the game will shift back,

00:24:08rules will change and whatever?

00:24:09And he said, no, it's going to go the other way.

00:24:11Meaning that, and he called it exactly right.

00:24:13That he was saying in 2017, 2018, I'm guessing,

00:24:17that the three-point line essentially is going to become a suggestion.

00:24:21And that there's going to be more volume of threes and guys, you know,

00:24:24anticipating Trey Young's and the Damian Lillard's and the guys who just don't

00:24:28even step to the line and shoot from way behind the line.

00:24:31And he was right that the game was going to get extended.

00:24:34So since he-

00:24:35They knocked down a three-pointer last night from like five feet in front of

00:24:39the half-court line.

00:24:40Like you don't think about it anymore.

00:24:41Natural range at this point.

00:24:43Yeah, Trey Young crossed half-court.

00:24:44He can shoot, as the Celtics certainly know.

00:24:47But when I think about,

00:24:48the reason I tell that story is because if he was saying that to me in a

00:24:51random conversation, 2017, 2018,

00:24:53he was already thinking ahead to what the game was going to be.

00:24:57And now here we are,

00:24:59number of years later that a guy who had a roster when he coached his final

00:25:03game, that had Romeo Lankford,

00:25:06Evan Fournier and Tristan Thompson starting in a playoff game.

00:25:11Three years later,

00:25:13put together a team that walked backwards into a championship.

00:25:16And so if that's the brain we're talking about,

00:25:19I always think back to that moment that, yeah, he was always, you know,

00:25:23guys who like that are always thinking ahead of the curb or ahead of everybody

00:25:27else. No doubt. And by the way,

00:25:29you're talking about all the guys you mentioned, everybody can cheat.

00:25:32You're bringing Sam Houser, Peyton Pritchard.

00:25:34You know who was a three-point shooter when he first came into the league?

00:25:37Luke Cornett.

00:25:38Luke Cornett took a ton of threes because you remember seeing him when he

00:25:42first came into the league.

00:25:43And I'm looking it up just for my own amusement, but he played,

00:25:46he was taking a three-pointer about every five minutes or so playing with the

00:25:51Knicks, which is what these guys do.

00:25:53Think about that over like 40 minutes, that's seven or eight threes.

00:25:56So when Luke Cornett came into the league, he was shooting threes.

00:25:59And he's the one guy that doesn't do it.

00:26:01You get the feeling like you're saving up for this big, like, you know,

00:26:04surprise secret moment when Luke Cornett sneaks up on the three-point line.

00:26:07And it's so funny that in this trend in which guys who never took threes

00:26:11before now take a high volume, Luke Cornett came into the league,

00:26:14shooting threes. And now he, now he never does.

00:26:18Yeah. It's, it's funny how things have changed in,

00:26:21in Cornett's role over the five years now that he's been on the Celtics,

00:26:26you know, you'd think that he'd be shooting even more threes,

00:26:28but I don't even think he even looks at taking a three anymore.

00:26:31He's more of just like a, a pick and dive guy and an energy guy,

00:26:34the offensive glass.

00:26:35And of course we now have the famed Cornett contest that is spread to

00:26:39several people on the Celtics. Now.

00:26:41I don't mean to like change subjects so drastically Kaufman.

00:26:45So I apologize if I'm taking this in a different direction.

00:26:47You want to talk about Drake Mase concussion? No,

00:26:49but I am also very interested in that because we have Sean and we have a

00:26:54different, interesting perspective on, on things.

00:26:57And we've talked a lot about, Oh, wait,

00:26:59in comparison to last year's team and we all argue the same thing all the

00:27:04time. I think Sean, you've said this ad nauseam, the 0-9 team, you know,

00:27:08barring injury probably would have done the same thing. If we,

00:27:11for being honest to ourselves,

00:27:12they were tremendous to start the year injuries, unfortunately.

00:27:15Keep Laker fans out in the front row when you say that, but okay. Yeah,

00:27:18I hear you. I hear you. I get it. I get it.

00:27:21But one of the things that as we get ready for this season and we're looking

00:27:24at things,

00:27:27what boxes are you looking for this Celtics team to check that would emulate

00:27:34a little bit of that 0-9 magic minus the injury issues that they had in that

00:27:39season?

00:27:40Well, you know, it's interesting. You see this with a lot of champions.

00:27:43It's not just this team and you've got the separate issues with,

00:27:46with Jason and Jalen and the Olympic stuff.

00:27:48And every team's got little stuff that they come back with,

00:27:50but there's that general overwhelming feeling that, Oh,

00:27:53they've won the championships.

00:27:54They're going to take their foot off the gas pedal, whatever.

00:27:56And that generally is not how it goes. And it certainly didn't in a way.

00:27:59When everyone said, Oh, they won. So they're not going to be great.

00:28:02And then they lost the third game of the year and they got killed.

00:28:05And I remember even in the pre-social media age, some people,

00:28:08whatever the equivalent of in 2008 was of people freaking out on social media,

00:28:13people were doing that. They got killed at Indiana, actually.

00:28:16That was where their first loss was. Didn't even cry.

00:28:19I called the game last night.

00:28:20It didn't occur to me that the first loss defending the title was at Indiana.

00:28:23It was in the same building in 08. They didn't play well and they got beat.

00:28:26And everyone's like, Oh, they're not the same team,

00:28:28but they were last year because they hadn't had a loss like that the previous

00:28:31season. And what did they do? They won 25 of the next 26.

00:28:35After that, there were 27 and two going into the Christmas game.

00:28:38So I think teams come back, you know, sort of geared up and it's,

00:28:43it's less to do with trying to prove people wrong,

00:28:45that there's a confidence that comes with winning a championship.

00:28:48It's actually confidence and continuity.

00:28:50You put those two things together and that's a dangerous combination.

00:28:54And the opening night game was a visceral example of two teams that were not

00:28:58going at the,

00:28:59there were two trains that were not moving at the same speed when the starting

00:29:03gun went off and the Knicks,

00:29:05who I think are going to be really good and we'll figure everything out.

00:29:09If they can stay healthy, you know, like everybody, it's always healthy.

00:29:12Cause there's always, we talk in week one of the season,

00:29:14there are some significant player on a championship caliber team that is going

00:29:18to get hurt. It's how it happens. It's always how it happens.

00:29:21There's some major plot twist coming that we had no idea on October 31st.

00:29:25That's going to change the trajectory of the season.

00:29:27But you saw opening night, the Knicks were not a new team.

00:29:32But they were still, you know,

00:29:33ramping up to what they're going to be and the Celtics just hit the ground

00:29:37running because they know who they are and they know what they're going to be.

00:29:41So the answer to that question is you just want to see them stay healthy.

00:29:44I want to see more nights like last night where they get challenged so

00:29:49athletically at the three point line that those shots don't come as easy.

00:29:53And how do you adjust to that? How do you manage the Porzingis injury?

00:29:58How do you manage everybody playing these big minutes?

00:30:00It was game, you know, at some point,

00:30:02when is Jason Tate no longer a machine that can play 40 minutes at this crazy

00:30:07high level every night? I don't know. We're not there yet, but let's,

00:30:10let's enjoy these times that you're not.

00:30:12So I think how you manage the 82 game season and how teams adjust,

00:30:18the Celtics have,

00:30:19if they've broken the league as far as shooting the threes and changing the

00:30:22way the game is played,

00:30:23you don't think there's 29 other teams trying to figure out how to stop that.

00:30:26Not to mention the fact that one of the reasons, and what's that old,

00:30:29the one people use way too much about iron sharpening iron that you now,

00:30:33it's already been this way with the Celtics the last few years,

00:30:36but now you really are the main event on a lot of teams scheduled.

00:30:41And that is the fun part. I remember it with Golden State.

00:30:44Remember when the Celtics were sort of starting to come back and you had the,

00:30:47it's the Evan Turner, Jay Crowder Celtics, you know,

00:30:50under Brad Stephens and a scrappy insurgency.

00:30:52And when Golden State was on the schedule,

00:30:54that was a big night when Golden State came to town,

00:30:57just like in previous generations, before I was in the league,

00:30:59I'm sure when the bulls came to town, that was a big night in the league.

00:31:02It is a big weekend here in Charlotte because the champs are here.

00:31:06And that's the beauty of you.

00:31:08You better stay sharp because everybody wants you on their resume.

00:31:11I thought we saw that in Detroit Saturday night.

00:31:14And that is the,

00:31:15the beauty of this season, particularly as I pointed this out,

00:31:18the Celtics are on an outrageous number of national TV games this year.

00:31:21I mean, it is unprecedented.

00:31:22And this next stretch of games after the Golden State game on Wednesday,

00:31:25which is the ESPN game,

00:31:26and you're going to get the,

00:31:27the A crew with Mike Breen on Wednesday night after that game,

00:31:30I think the next 15 or so are just sort of,

00:31:33you know,

00:31:34you know,

00:31:35you're going to get the,

00:31:36you know,

00:31:37you're going to get the,

00:31:38you know,

00:31:39you're going to get the,

00:31:40you know,

00:31:41you're going to get the,

00:31:42you know,

00:31:4315 or so are just sort of League Pass,

00:31:46Local Cable,

00:31:47under the Radar games.

00:31:48And in some ways those are more fun because again,

00:31:51you become the target that everybody wants to put on their resume.

00:31:54By the way,

00:31:55after that,

00:31:56when we get to early December,

00:31:57literally every other game is going to be on national TV.

00:31:59It's like 30 of the last 60.

00:32:01I mean,

00:32:02and again,

00:32:03that's another issue for another time,

00:32:04but that's the direction the NBA is going.

00:32:06So

00:32:07Just to piggyback off that idea real quick,

00:32:10Real quick, Kaufman, I remember the Golden State coming to town years, and I was at the

00:32:15garden the night they were, I think, what, 26 straight, and Boston took it one more time,

00:32:20and they went, they lost that game the next night in Milwaukee, Golden State lost their

00:32:25winning streak, and Draymond goes, you can take the Celtics through that, right?

00:32:28They beat us up last night, and I will tell you, again, I live in the Berkshires, I'm

00:32:32two and a half, three hours west of Boston.

00:32:35So coming into town, everybody, that's all anybody want to talk about, that was the only

00:32:43thing people were, the only thing on talk radio that day was that, you could tell that

00:32:47there was a different type of energy and juice in Boston that night because Golden State

00:32:52was in town, and it was one of the best environments I've ever been in, it was cool.

00:32:56Yeah, it's amazing, and think about the highlights of that era, the Celtics ending the, you know,

00:33:02they didn't end the win streak that night, but they ended the home court winning streak,

00:33:06you know, out in Oakland, and that's one of the signature moments of that Avery Bradley,

00:33:11Jay Crowder, Evan Turner era, was winning that game, and so it matters, and that is,

00:33:19I love the season, listen, I chose the job I chose because I didn't want to give up the

00:33:23playoff games, and obviously the big games matter, and telling the story matters, but

00:33:27these are, I think these nights are fun too.

00:33:30The night in Detroit is fun, when young players, remember, as time goes by, all of a sudden

00:33:35young players are coming out of school, and it used to be, wow, Jason Tatum and Jalen

00:33:39Brown, and all of a sudden you're playing against LeBron and Steph, guess where we are

00:33:43now?

00:33:44Now we are, kids are coming out of college, and oh my God, I got to guard Jason Tatum,

00:33:48like it happens fast, and it's cool to see.

00:33:54We referenced a couple of times, you know, trying to repeat, obviously, and that 0-9

00:33:59season that, you know, very well could have been a back-to-back for the Celtics, if not

00:34:03for that Garnett injury, and we've talked about that extensively before, but, you know,

00:34:08with KG, one thing I always enjoy about you being here, Sean, is obviously your ability

00:34:13to talk about...

00:34:14There's got to be many things, I would imagine there's many, many things.

00:34:16Well, I said one of the things, there are a great few things, is your ability to talk

00:34:22about this team in a historical context, because obviously, as we always like to joke,

00:34:25you are the longtime voice of the team, and so, you know, going back to even just opening

00:34:31night, obviously a week ago or whatever it was, that I often joke on this show, like

00:34:36nobody loves themselves a title and a party like the 0-8 Celtics.

00:34:42That team might be more championship happy than any team that I've ever seen before,

00:34:46but it was not a big surprise that KG and Pierce, even Ray, these guys back in the building

00:34:52for the ring ceremony, the banner raising, all of it, do you know, because it's not something

00:34:57we tend to hear about from today's players, if any relationships are forming there to

00:35:03where like Tatum, Brown, whomever, like there have been any conversations with that not

00:35:10old guard, old guard, but most recent old guard about what it does take and how to get

00:35:16over the hump and how to, you know, be the ones with the target on their backs or, you

00:35:20know, red light on their foreheads, as Missoula likes to say in all of these things.

00:35:25I'd go farther to say that both, you know, Jason and Jalen, who that's primarily obviously

00:35:28who you're talking about here, they use those opportunities to ask, they have those kind

00:35:32of minds anyway.

00:35:34They always ask questions.

00:35:35There's a funny one, I may have told you this before.

00:35:38So the first couple of years Jason's around, he knew that Max played in the league.

00:35:43It's interesting how it happens with younger players and how history, history seeps into

00:35:49your brain differently.

00:35:51And you know, like JT and Max were cool and he knew that Max had played in the league,

00:35:55but it wasn't until Max did the 30 for 30, the Celtic Laker 30 for 30, that I remember

00:36:01JT coming back that fall and he was much more excited about Max.

00:36:07You know, that's where, it's where the history creeps in.

00:36:11And because we are all old now, we can run through everything that happened in 2008.

00:36:15Oh yeah, I remember that Atlanta series and then game seven with the Cavs and it went

00:36:19back and forth.

00:36:21One of the unique things about my job, yeah, you're the voice of the Celtics, but you're

00:36:25also the voice of the Celtics for people who are 90 and people who are nine.

00:36:30And while we can recite every detail of 08, 16 years is a long time.

00:36:35And I tried to sort of shout that out again at the call at the end of the championship

00:36:39game that there's every generation, you know, for the oldest generation, they got one more

00:36:43and for the children of the eighties, they get one as adults and the, you know, or the,

00:36:47you know, the children of 08 get one as adults, the children of 08 of the eighties get one

00:36:51for their kids.

00:36:52And now the kids have their own, everyone's going to have their own perspective.

00:36:56And to me, when I first took this job, people would go, you know, when Larry would come

00:37:02back or Kevin McHale would come back and you'd see people worship the eighties.

00:37:05And now the 08 guys, that's the same thing when they walk around the building.

00:37:10And I know as this is going on, I'm thinking about what is Jason Tatum Knight going to

00:37:14be like?

00:37:15What's Jalen Brown Knight going to be like?

00:37:17What's it going to be like when Tatum and Brown walk in the game?

00:37:21You know, is, is JT going to stick around long enough to play with Deuce, you know,

00:37:25for, you know, maybe JJ Reddick's son will be coaching the Celtics when, you know, like

00:37:31Jason Tatum's in his 20 something year.

00:37:33And so once in a while you try to step back and have a broad view, like tomorrow night

00:37:40we're going to play Charlotte and that game is going to have its own X's and O's and

00:37:44its own storyline within the game.

00:37:46But I also like to have a, particularly on, you know, important nights when you're at

00:37:51the garden and you're under all those banners, that that's the point.

00:37:54Like, where does this fit?

00:37:55Where's the connectivity between the generations?

00:37:57And I think, you know, bringing it back to what you asked, I think you got a lot of guys

00:38:01in that room that do appreciate and like to tap into what those guys bring.

00:38:05Yeah.

00:38:06I mean, that's reflected, I think, a little bit of starting five.

00:38:09I don't know if you caught that, Sean, but KG is a prominent, not a prominent, but he's

00:38:14a voice in this thing.

00:38:16And you can tell when he talks about Tatum, he's talking about something a little bit

00:38:19different, you know, like as he's watching Tatum kind of like go through all the checkpoints

00:38:26you have to check as you win a title.

00:38:28You could tell that KG and him have had some serious conversations about winning a title

00:38:32and how excited that KG was for, especially Tatum and Brown, that they got through the

00:38:37hump and were able to break through and win a title because he knows what it means to

00:38:40win a title in Boston.

00:38:41You know, like.

00:38:42Just as Bill Russell was excited for KG.

00:38:44See how it works generationally, because there's very few people who can understand.

00:38:49We can sit here and talk for hours about winning a championship, whatever, but we don't know.

00:38:53It's a very select club that you get into, and it meant so much to KG.

00:38:57I remember when KG and Paul Pierce and Ray Allen got together, the three of them, none

00:39:03had ever been to the finals, let alone winning a championship.

00:39:06And the clock was obviously, the clock was ticking on the new big three era the day it

00:39:10started.

00:39:11Yeah.

00:39:12Because they were all 30.

00:39:13No, we all looked at it as a three year window at the time.

00:39:15Yeah.

00:39:17about this before, but I remember the flight back from LA after losing game seven in 2010.

00:39:27I got on that plane thinking the era, that was it, that it was over and history will

00:39:33record it.

00:39:34People will write their books or whatever, but I guarantee you it changed on that flight

00:39:38that the second act, those next three years was born on that flight back.

00:39:45I remember saying something to KG that I would not have said to him had I thought everybody

00:39:50was coming back and that we're going to do another three years of this, because it just

00:39:54felt like that was it at the time.

00:39:56So you don't really know, but the moral of that story was always, whenever you're close

00:40:02to it, you got to chase it.

00:40:05Yeah.

00:40:06Like right now, they double down on it, right?

00:40:09Yeah.

00:40:10As a nice way to have two ends of the spectrum.

00:40:13You have the Celtics were like, we're bringing this whole team back.

00:40:17We're going to team up for sale.

00:40:18We don't care.

00:40:20Like this is the group.

00:40:21This is it.

00:40:22We're diving headfirst.

00:40:23And then you have on the other side, you have Denver who has really struggled to have any

00:40:30sort of good feeling at all whatsoever about how they've started their season.

00:40:33They had the best player in the world and yet they're a relative disappointment.

00:40:37And you look at Boston saying, we're, we're, we're bringing everybody back.

00:40:41And meanwhile, over here in Denver, oh, you know, there goes Bruce Brown and there goes

00:40:45KCP.

00:40:46And now it's like, what are we, if Jamal Murray's not amazing, what are we doing here?

00:40:52Yeah.

00:40:53But Denver, Denver's the outlier in what you're saying, because the Knicks were close last

00:40:57year.

00:40:58Minnesota was close last year, you know, Dallas and Philadelphia added Paul George.

00:41:02So teams that were the teams that are closer, we have a strange year, obviously happening

00:41:06in the league.

00:41:07But in that, the haves and the have nots, the gap has grown.

00:41:12We have a real chance to have six or seven crazy high level teams, and there's a real

00:41:16chance to have what, five, six teams that don't win 20 games.

00:41:19I mean, it never works out that way.

00:41:20And already, you know, Brooklyn's winning games here early and Portland had a win last

00:41:24night.

00:41:25Then teams that you think are never, you know, you never think you're going to win.

00:41:27Well, I think you have a night.

00:41:29Remember this, because this is an odd thing.

00:41:30It's just jumping into my head as we say it, Washington, Portland, Brooklyn, and Charlotte

00:41:36all won last night on October 30th.

00:41:40Let's see if that happens again this year, that all four of those teams win.

00:41:43We've got to find a way to make this profitable.

00:41:47You're the gambling guy.

00:41:48So let's talk about this later off camera.

00:41:50If it happens again, somebody wins that hat.

00:41:52Parlay though, buddy, parlay though.

00:41:55Well, we have to look at how many times on the calendar that all four of those teams

00:41:59are in action on the same night.

00:42:01By the way, here's how old I am that when I came in the league, gambling was the third

00:42:07rail.

00:42:08You die.

00:42:10It was a verboten topic.

00:42:13You know, we had the Tim Donaghy thing that we went through.

00:42:15When you came in the league, I mean, 10 years ago.

00:42:17It was right.

00:42:18And now it's literally even doing the games with scowl on TV a couple of years ago.

00:42:24It was, it was overwhelmed.

00:42:26You were drowning in gambling stuff.

00:42:28And it was almost as if it was, you know, integrated into the game.

00:42:31It was like, hey, this three in the air is brought to you by if he makes it.

00:42:34And it was, it's like, I got to cut you off because you reminded me of something that

00:42:40I audibly laughed at when opening night, I even I texted a buddy right after it happened.

00:42:47So I, I, I'm out to dinner just before the game, got home in time for tip off and all

00:42:54that.

00:42:55And I was listening to you guys broadcasting the ceremony and talking about it.

00:43:00And you asking Max about how you, you know, follow the emotions of all that and play a

00:43:05game and everything.

00:43:06But you said like, this was like the out cue to break, you know, you're like in tonight's,

00:43:10you know, ring and banner ceremony presented by bed MGM on the draft Kings radio, Celtics

00:43:17radio network.

00:43:18I'm going, good God, like who let that happen?

00:43:22I mean, that's a whole other conversation.

00:43:25But what are we doing?

00:43:26And, and so like, to your point, it's just, it's overwhelming now.

00:43:31And we obviously we have the Jonathan Porter thing happened, again, not a big deal.

00:43:34And it's, it's comical that people think that, you know, guys who are making $40 million

00:43:38a year are somehow going to be affected by, by these, by the gambling and stuff that's

00:43:42going on.

00:43:43But it's, it's the way of the world.

00:43:44And again, you just have to change your, you have to change your approach this year.

00:43:49We are, we've done the, the quote unquote pivot to video, right?

00:43:53Which was inevitable and probably kind of years overdue.

00:43:56And it's because that is how people are accustomed now.

00:43:59You can't fight against it.

00:44:02When the social media stuff happened, a lot of my colleagues were, well, I'm not going

00:44:05to tweet during games and I'm not going to whatever I'm like, well, that's where you,

00:44:09we don't get to decide how people want to enjoy our product.

00:44:14Our job is to deliver it to them and however they want it.

00:44:17My son just turned 13 and his life until I can wrestle the screen away from him every

00:44:22night after we do his homework is YouTube.

00:44:26And there are young people that watch, they take in the product the way they want to take

00:44:31it in.

00:44:32And it's our job to deliver it to them in a way that they want it.

00:44:35Not to sit here and say, no, watch the game on, watch the game on basic cable.

00:44:39It's all going away.

00:44:40Everything's going to be on the apps.

00:44:41You know, we're in a dramatic change in the NBA as to the way the games are going to be

00:44:46delivered.

00:44:48And, you know, this network's going to have them and this app is going to have them.

00:44:52And you just have to kind of go with it.

00:44:56The Celtics won a championship, right?

00:44:57And to some degree, because of what we were saying earlier, Brad Stevens could see what

00:45:01was going to happen.

00:45:03In my field, it's the same thing.

00:45:04The people are going to be successful, see what's going to happen in three to five years

00:45:08and you are prepared for it.

00:45:11It's no different.

00:45:12All right.

00:45:13We'll take a quick break, get right back to the show.

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00:46:51I don't know if you have any inside info on this, but we got a little bit of an update

00:46:54on Chris Stapp's Porzingis from Shams yesterday about him coming back potentially in December.

00:47:00He is, you know, the, I will say the game highlighted him shooting a little bit pre-game

00:47:07noting that he's, you know, working his way to get back.

00:47:11Any idea on the progress of what I would call the Celtics cheat code waiting in the wings

00:47:16here?

00:47:17I think it's sort of a, I don't say it's a highly guarded secret so much as it isn't

00:47:21like you're rushing, the very second he's able to play, you're not trying to cram him

00:47:26into a playoff game in the deciding game, right, in the Dallas series.

00:47:29So I think it's a matter of, I think clearly he is, I don't want to say ahead because that

00:47:35one of the dumbest things that have become an accepted part, Doc Rivers used to hit on

00:47:39this all the time.

00:47:40People would say, well, it's four to six weeks.

00:47:42What is that?

00:47:43You have no idea.

00:47:44As a player who's been through an injury, it's the worst thing to put a label on it

00:47:46when a guy is going to come back.

00:47:48You just have a basic idea.

00:47:49He's moving really well.

00:47:50He's not doing anything hard.

00:47:51He's not doing contact stuff like that.

00:47:54I think it's certainly reasonable to think at this stage, as we enter the month of November,

00:47:58the way he's moving around that he certainly could be available by December.

00:48:04But again, how much does that matter?

00:48:07And when you have two things going for you, you have with the loss last night, let me

00:48:11do it in my head, the Celtics are now 35 and seven in the 42 games they played without

00:48:16him.

00:48:17Stop.

00:48:18Pause for a second.

00:48:19Ponder that again.

00:48:2035 and seven in the 42 games without him.

00:48:23And number two, knowing you're going to want him to play, including the playoffs.

00:48:28If you could script it, you would want to be able to be available for the playoffs.

00:48:34You want him to play what?

00:48:35Answer this.

00:48:36It's a rhetorical question.

00:48:37But how many games would you want him to play in the regular season?

00:48:3925?

00:48:4030?

00:48:41It doesn't matter as long as he's...

00:48:43So therefore, you add him in December, he doesn't play back-to-backs, it's going to

00:48:49be what it's going to be.

00:48:50I've been saying, Ed, you know this, I've been saying on this show for months, in my

00:48:55mind, and this isn't me saying this is how it will play out, I'm sure it'll be earlier,

00:49:00but in my mind, if he's not back till January, I don't care.

00:49:06At all.

00:49:07There is, to Sean's point, and the point we've made on this show a number of times, there

00:49:12is zero rush, Celtics are very good without him, and this regular season stuff, I always

00:49:21implore people, enjoy it.

00:49:23Enjoy the ride.

00:49:24It's game-to-game, it's thrilling, it's fun.

00:49:28Last night's game in the big picture, did it mean anything?

00:49:30No, but it was a lot of fun to watch there, the comeback and almost win in overtime and

00:49:35all that stuff.

00:49:37But Kristaps Porzingis just has to be healthy come April and beyond, and hopefully can make

00:49:44it through a playoff run without injury.

00:49:46Probably won't, there'll probably be some sort of a setback, but hopefully he is largely

00:49:49available as he was throughout, you know, I don't know, up and down last year through

00:49:54the playoffs, obviously.

00:49:56It doesn't matter, if he comes back in November, if he comes back in January, that has zero

00:50:01impact not only on my life, but on the Celtics' lives.

00:50:05There's an impact on my life.

00:50:07I genuinely enjoy watching Kristaps play because, at least for the Celtics, he really likes

00:50:12playing for this team.

00:50:14You can just see the positive energy come out, and I just, I don't know, I dig the vibe

00:50:19of him and Jalen.

00:50:20Yeah, they just don't need it though, is my point.

00:50:21They don't need it.

00:50:22I know, I know.

00:50:23I'm being selfish.

00:50:25I can report this, that 14 months of being here, the dude has not stopped smiling once.

00:50:30It's my favorite joke, because it's clear that he is really enjoying himself.

00:50:34Has this worked out, Sean, a lot?

00:50:37And like, put the championship aside.

00:50:39Obviously, you know, the championship means everything worked out.

00:50:43But just the Kristaps experience, to your point about the nonstop smiling in 14 months,

00:50:48you know, when that trade happened, as I'm sure you recall, and you know, there were

00:50:53a lot of doubters.

00:50:55A lot of people on this show, there were skeptics of that deal and what it was going to look

00:50:58like and how he was going to play, what kind of player he was previously elsewhere, what

00:51:02kind of role he was going to have, just how it was all going to work.

00:51:06And obviously, there are elements of that that were based around not just KP coming

00:51:12in, but Marcus Smart going out, and those things were solidified when Drew Holliday

00:51:17was acquired.

00:51:18But, you know, let's skip over that and just get to, you know, opening night last year

00:51:21and beyond.

00:51:23Was this Porzingis thing, for him specifically, worked out better than you expected, or was

00:51:29this what you expected?

00:51:30Again, outcome of the title aside.

00:51:33Anyone who said this is exactly what they expected, unless you're, you know, Brad Stevens

00:51:37or Mike Zarin, this is, you know, it was pie in the sky.

00:51:40And I go back to the fact that look at how crazy successful the Celtics were running

00:51:45post-ups with KP last year.

00:51:47And that was the one thing.

00:51:49In Dallas, it was horrendous.

00:51:50That's what Rick Carlisle wanted to do with him in Dallas, and it did not work out at

00:51:54all.

00:51:55So there were, listen, KP had his own Beach Boys song going, right?

00:51:58He had his own struggles in New York and in Dallas, and he had, he was bringing baggage

00:52:03and stuff, right, that he was bringing to the party.

00:52:05And it was a matter of, it was like when Isaiah Thomas came to the Celtics, that they needed

00:52:10each other.

00:52:11They fit together.

00:52:13And there was a KP element there.

00:52:14I think the other side of it was, we were all, and I like to think I'm not guilty of

00:52:18this stuff too, that I can be a 30,000 foot, see the whole field because I've been doing

00:52:23this so long, as you'd like to point out.

00:52:26But I think a lot of us continue to, maybe to this day, see Marcus with our heart and

00:52:30not with our eyes.

00:52:32And I, particularly as he moves as a guy who was so physical with that body and gave so

00:52:37much that maybe it's, there's that, those cold Belichickian NFL moves, right?

00:52:44When you...

00:52:45Break down on him a bit.

00:52:46And it's happening now.

00:52:48He got off to a rough start.

00:52:49He got hurt again last night.

00:52:50And it's, listen, look at the games played for Brogdon, for Smart, for Rob Williams the

00:52:57year or two before, and look at what's happened since the Celtics made the moves.

00:53:01And we're making these jokes about nobody wanted to take a call from Danny.

00:53:05Why aren't you making the same jokes about not taking the call from Brett?

00:53:08Well, I think that's obvious now.

00:53:10I mean, the guys, the guy doesn't miss.

00:53:11I mean, the Derek White trade started everything and everybody wanted to give him a hard time

00:53:16for that.

00:53:18The Al Horford trade started everything.

00:53:20Well, you could.

00:53:22It was a great move.

00:53:23Kemba was shot and Al's been, can you, do you, are you mystified by this Al Horford

00:53:29thing?

00:53:30I mean, he is way up there.

00:53:33Want a soundbite?

00:53:34Go ahead.

00:53:35Want something you can pull and say, Grandy says this thing.

00:53:39What an outrageous...

00:53:40Absolutely.

00:53:41This is what we live for.

00:53:42Here it is.

00:53:43Whatever you do, make sure, I'll pause so you can cut it off and then take it completely

00:53:46out of context.

00:53:47Let's go.

00:53:48Show me how it's done.

00:53:49It's the best.

00:53:50You ready?

00:53:51Start it with future Hall of Famer, Al Horford.

00:53:53Well, that's an easy one.

00:53:55He's going to be, because we talked about this.

00:53:57He's got the two championships in college.

00:53:58Yeah, there's no doubt.

00:53:59Basketball Hall of Fame, so Al's going in.

00:54:01But here's a...

00:54:02Everybody pause.

00:54:03Ready?

00:54:04Three, two, one.

00:54:05Al Horford has essentially become Tom Brady.

00:54:08Pause.

00:54:09I'll explain in a second.

00:54:10But so you can have it in and of itself, just in context.

00:54:14In that Al is basically the same, what Tom Brady was doing at 38, 39, 40, and obviously

00:54:20he was at a much higher level and he was an MVP caliber player, but he was like the same

00:54:24guy.

00:54:25There was no drop-off.

00:54:26And that's what's happening here with Al.

00:54:28He's the same guy at 34, 30.

00:54:30That's not supposed to happen.

00:54:32And what Al Horford was three or four years ago, he still is, and he's still giving you

00:54:36the same level of play at, you know, and it's obviously very early in his 38-year-old season,

00:54:42but he looks like he's the exact same guy.

00:54:44And again, managing the minutes matters, and him not playing, I'm sure he won't play one

00:54:48of the games this weekend in the back-to-back, and you'll manage him throughout the season.

00:54:51And that's more the Porzingis thing, is how much more are you leaning on Al, and you're

00:54:55going to have to use Cato more, and Tillman, and things like that.

00:54:58But it is stunning what a critical player he was.

00:55:03And I always, I tell the story of running into Al the fall of 2019.

00:55:09We're still traveling for the pandemic craziness.

00:55:12The Sixers and Celtics were in the same hotel in New York, I think it was, and, you know,

00:55:17the elevator door opens, and we're in the lobby, and I see Al.

00:55:20And you're catching up with Al, and it just, it's a moment that we refer back to because

00:55:26when he came back, and when I saw him that night, even though he was a Sixer, it felt

00:55:31like he never left.

00:55:33It just felt like he never, when he walked back in, it was almost as if he was just on

00:55:37vacation for a couple of years, and just, and came back home.

00:55:41But it did start with Kemba, who, we had a highlight in our game last night, it was five

00:55:44years ago, Kemba had like a game winner.

00:55:47Remember, Kemba didn't play well in his first game at Philadelphia, opening night, and then

00:55:51the Celtics went off on 110 in a row, and had the best record in the NBA in that 19-20

00:55:57season.

00:55:58And Kemba, who wanted so much to be a Celtic, he never got to play a playoff game at home.

00:56:06Because the pandemic hit in 2020, and everything was in the bubble, and the next year he was

00:56:09hurt in that playoff series, and didn't play in those home games.

00:56:13That was the reason that you had like Evan Fournier and guys in the starting lineup,

00:56:16because Jalen was hurt, and Kemba was hurt.

00:56:18But yeah, the game had changed, and you could do the whole sliding door thing about either

00:56:24not making the Isaiah Thomas trade, or not making the, was the Kemba trade a reaction

00:56:28to having to fill the Kyrie Irving spot?

00:56:33But it was, you know, Brad Stevens, as we've said, the guy who preached all those years

00:56:37about just hitting singles, he's like Freddie Freeman every time.

00:56:42You know, he's just driving them into the gap.

00:56:46How unfair is it to have, I don't want to hear any, Juan Soto should not be allowed

00:56:50to go to the Dodgers, if that even becomes a conversation.

00:56:52It's so unfair as it is.

00:56:56Well, you can thank Otani for deferring all his money to future players.

00:57:00Salary cap.

00:57:01Right?

00:57:02No, no, yeah, the Otani.

00:57:03Yeah, deferring all his money.

00:57:05Are we going to have like a Bobby Bonilla day for Otani in LA when he gets to pick up

00:57:09a big, huge check?

00:57:10I think it'll be a little more celebratory, however, when the Bobby Bonilla Mets didn't

00:57:17come quite as close to winning a championship.

00:57:20Still my favorite thing every summer is Bobby Bonilla day at City.

00:57:24It's the best.

00:57:25It's running, there's only a few left.

00:57:26It's winding down.

00:57:27Yeah, I was going to think, are we all going to make it?

00:57:30Are we all going to live long enough to see the end of Bobby Bonilla day, who has a famous

00:57:35bad contract the Mets gave out years ago, if you don't know, and every year he still

00:57:38gets a million dollar check on July 1st.

00:57:40It's the best.

00:57:41It's the equivalent, it's the second best deal ever made.

00:57:44The deal that the, I teach my son that the greatest business deal ever made, not in sports,

00:57:51but in the history of business was the St. Louis Spirits of the ABA when they did not

00:57:57get one of the expansion slots.

00:57:59They did not get to go to the NBA and they were really disappointed and all the other

00:58:02teams took cash compensation and they instead, they just wanted a piece of the television

00:58:08deal and in the 1976 in the NBA, a television deal was like 20 bucks a game, but they got

00:58:17an ex, they got a full share or a four sevenths share of television right money in perpetuity,

00:58:24which means the fancy way of saying forever you, you were Evan, you were acting like you

00:58:28don't know this story, go Google it.

00:58:31It's the greatest business deal, not in the history of sports, but in the history of business.

00:58:35And this ABA franchise made hundreds of millions of dollars over the years because they got

00:58:41a piece of the NBA.

00:58:43Tell me who's getting that money now.

00:58:44I think the NBA finally got out of it a few years ago, but for years and years and years,

00:58:51it just literally told all these other teams, the Virginia Squires and the Kentucky Colonels,

00:58:56they all went away and disappeared.

00:58:58And the owners of the Spirit, the St. Louis Spirit made, you know, hundreds of millions

00:59:04of dollars.

00:59:05Got a family for generations.

00:59:07One more on Horford.

00:59:08We've, we've never ever, believe it or not, had this conversation on this show.

00:59:12I'm curious your opinion of it.

00:59:13And then we should wrap because we've been going for a while.

00:59:16So Horford spent what, nine years with the Hawks, I think, to start his career and was

00:59:21obviously, you know, individually speaking, a better player.

00:59:26I mean, he was younger.

00:59:27He was, you know, in his prime.

00:59:29He was, you know, multiple time on the away team, by the way, that pushed the Celtics

00:59:32to game seven.

00:59:35I mean, it was for people that don't remember, I mean, we're all old enough to remember Al

00:59:39Horford signing with the Celtics was the, at the time, I mean, that was the biggest

00:59:43free agent the Celtics had ever signed.

00:59:45I mean, that was, that was significant.

00:59:49No disrespect intended to Dominique Wilkins because he was not the same player at that

00:59:52stage of his career.

00:59:54But anyway, nine years, I think it was with the Hawks.

00:59:56And this is now seven, I believe with the Celtics is Al Horford, you know, and obviously

01:00:04he's won more with Boston and may continue to win more with Boston.

01:00:08We hope is Al Horford when, when, when it's all done, when he goes into the hall, all

01:00:12that stuff.

01:00:13And I agree with you.

01:00:14There's, there's no debate because again, it is not the NBA hall of fame.

01:00:17It's the basketball hall of fame.

01:00:19What you did in college or Olympics or whatever else, it's all relevant.

01:00:22Is Al Horford remember is remembered as a Hawk or a Celtic?

01:00:25Oh, it's a Celtic.

01:00:26It's not, I don't think it's even close.

01:00:29And remember the relationship Al still gets booed when he goes there, not for what he

01:00:33did or didn't do there, but for leaving.

01:00:36So there there's, you know, it was not, and he was the best player on that team.

01:00:42And those were good teams, by the way, when you look at the history of the Atlanta Hawks,

01:00:45there's almost like these outlier teams.

01:00:47Remember they had that crazy long winning streak, uh, one year, I want to say around

01:00:512016.

01:00:52Didn't you win 60 games in Atlanta?

01:00:55Al was one of those guys.

01:00:57There are a lot of really great players in the Eastern conference of the 2010s that never

01:01:01got to the finals because LeBron took them all out.

01:01:03And Al was at the top of that top of that list.

01:01:06I think.

01:01:07And Kemba, who we talked about earlier, Kemba was a guy that like didn't win a game against

01:01:11LeBron James.

01:01:12He had one of those, we had one last night, by the way, uh, Pascal Siakam had lost 13

01:01:17or 14 in a row to the Celtics until that one last thing, crazy stat, because I know I'm

01:01:22the stat guy.

01:01:23I just love weird, innocuous, useless information.

01:01:27Pascal Siakam in his last 22 games against the Celtics is now three and 19, all three

01:01:33wins in overtime.

01:01:34Listen, you can't put 22 games in regulation, not even Dick Leip has that stat.

01:01:39Well, you know, I mean, what can I tell you?

01:01:42And I've lived through it.

01:01:43I stumbled on that one because last year Siakam was really good against the Celtics when he

01:01:48was on the floor and when he would leave the floor, Toronto would fall apart.

01:01:52So I was aware of those in those games.

01:01:54And then when he got traded to Indiana, it happened again.

01:01:56And he went through a year last year where he played nine games against the Celtics and

01:02:00he was dead.

01:02:01He is plus minus was even.

01:02:03And when he was off the floor, his teams were like a minus 50 and he went, oh, a nine against

01:02:09the Celtics last year because he played all four games for Toronto and then got traded

01:02:12to Indiana and played against them.

01:02:14So and then he had the great first half last night.

01:02:16They're up by 22 and then he couldn't make a shot.

01:02:19I was thinking I was just talking about during the game, like, what is what does he have

01:02:22to do to beat these guys?

01:02:23And then the 22 point lead disappears.

01:02:24And listen, you've got to find weird stuff in the course of 82 games to make it make

01:02:30it interesting.

01:02:31Celtics are definitely interesting off to a four and one start, despite that overtime

01:02:36loss at Indiana.

01:02:37Now, the back to back, not on a Monday, sadly, but games in Charlotte on a Friday and a Saturday

01:02:43road trip finishes out, fittingly enough, based on this conversation in Atlanta on Monday.

01:02:48And then it's back home for one of those national televised games at, you know, at the Garden

01:02:53against the Warriors.

01:02:55And we'll be buried.

01:02:56You buried the lead.

01:02:57I thought you were all excited about the fact I got Joe Mizzou to laugh last night.

01:03:00Yeah, we never brought this up.

01:03:02I can't believe we got with this.

01:03:03We should bring this up before we close out.

01:03:05Joe Mizzou.

01:03:06I don't want to say finally showing personality.

01:03:08That guy's been showing personality since that's all he does is show personality.

01:03:12I mean, he's we we affectionately refer to him on this show as as certified.

01:03:17I mean, a psychopath, but our psychopath.

01:03:20And we love him dearly.

01:03:21But yeah, you got him to to actually crack an audible smile, if you will, the other day

01:03:26left on the air.

01:03:27We're just going to run it as a as a loop.

01:03:29It was off the thing that happened the other night, which is the challenges, all those

01:03:34Which is an interesting issue, because fans got upset, right, because the Celtics challenged

01:03:38and won.

01:03:39Then they challenged again and won.

01:03:42And then you're out of challenges.

01:03:43And even though there was one later in the game with Holiday, I think Holiday shot hit

01:03:46the rim, but you're out of challenges, whatever.

01:03:48And somebody as I pass along the story of somebody being a lot of people reacting on

01:03:52Twitter and basically saying, what kind of what kind of ridiculous institution is there

01:03:56that where you can challenge and win, and then suddenly you're not allowed to challenge

01:04:00anymore.

01:04:02And so if I can get Joe to laugh at the truth, again, things you try to do over 82 games.

01:04:10We all talk about side quests and the Celtics need for side quests to make this year interesting.

01:04:16Broadcasters have side quests, too.

01:04:17And I knocked off a big one right there.

01:04:19Yes.

01:04:20I mean, yeah, he's got a little list check.

01:04:22It's a long season, kids.

01:04:23Yeah.

01:04:24Well, I mean, what's what's next for Joe?

01:04:25Is there something next on the Jomezula bucket list for you?

01:04:28I don't know.

01:04:29I find it that you've got to find interesting topics like, you know, you don't want to sit

01:04:36there every night and go, OK, Cunningham's averaging 30 points a game.

01:04:40He's really good, huh?

01:04:42Yeah, because I get it.

01:04:44This is not we're not trying to reinvent the wheel and you're not trying to rise to the

01:04:49every night he has to rise to the great Socratic challenge that is the pregame media gaggle.

01:04:55Right.

01:04:56So he has to do that and then he does a TV hit and whatever so that you're always trying

01:05:01to find interesting things.

01:05:02And that is a challenge when you're talking to the same guy.

01:05:05Remember, for 17 years, I had two guys.

01:05:09I had Brad and Doc 17 years when I remember saying that to him when we did our first one

01:05:15and his first game, that it had been since 2004, went from 2004 to 2021, you know, seventeen

01:05:23and a half years between anybody on the other end of that headset than Brad or Doc.

01:05:28You want to talk about three different personalities, too.

01:05:31And that's the again, that's sort of the challenge of it.

01:05:34And that's the interesting part of it.

01:05:36And, you know, the Brad thing, it wasn't until I became, you know, very friendly with Tracy,

01:05:41with Brad's wife, that I kind of was like tapping into that.

01:05:44You know, you just got to tap into the personality a little bit and make it something that people

01:05:47are going to listen to it where they know they might hear something at least a little

01:05:51bit different, which, you know, with Joe, I think you always know you're going to hear

01:05:54something.

01:05:55You know, listen, this is I've I've said this before, and this is no knock on Joe whatsoever.

01:06:00This is removing Joe entirely from the equation.

01:06:02My my biggest upset, although it's obviously a credit to the organization, my biggest upset

01:06:08about Brad leaving as coach and ascending into the role that he is in now is that we

01:06:13don't get to hear from him as often.

01:06:14I just always enjoyed listening to Brad.

01:06:17Always felt like I learned something.

01:06:18And I don't want to say that that, again, it's not like not the case with Joe.

01:06:22It's just a different thing.

01:06:23It's a different.

01:06:24We've got the DVD set of all of our pregame conversations with Brad.

01:06:27We'll turn that into a, you know, best of you have any thoughts on UFC coming, man.

01:06:33We get can we get Joe's thoughts on UFC 308?

01:06:36I it's it's interesting because obviously I've got, you know, I did MMA for a lot of

01:06:40years, but he's not.

01:06:43He's interested in everything, but he's not like a UFC fan per se.

01:06:47He likes to study it.

01:06:49The baseball thing was crazy that, you know, I was at the game with Fenway this year when

01:06:53the Celtics were honored, right?

01:06:55And they all sat in the box.

01:06:56And that was a game.

01:06:57The Red Sox had a huge comeback and happened.

01:07:00It started when the Blue Jays dropped.

01:07:02There was a foul ball, pop fly, foul ball, and it was dropped.

01:07:06And it's a baseball.

01:07:07If you're a baseball person, you know that that signals trouble, right?

01:07:10When you should.

01:07:11Let's say you're up five nothing in the World Series and you don't cover first and hypothetically

01:07:15hypothetical example, you know, as a baseball fan, you know, bad stuff is is coming.

01:07:21If that happens, we were on the air doing the game last night.

01:07:24I didn't even realize, you know, you see them coming back, but you're calling the games.

01:07:27You don't see the details.

01:07:28I couldn't believe it when I saw the Garrett goal play out there.

01:07:31Obviously, he pushes hard out and all that stuff.

01:07:32But, you know, bad things are happening.

01:07:34When that happened, Joe's on a baseball guy.

01:07:37He literally had his video guys clip that play and showed it to the team that saying

01:07:42that anything can go wrong if you don't do the fundamentals.

01:07:45And his so I think his brain is that's where I've had to learn.

01:07:48He's not a true heart.

01:07:49He's a hardcore baseball fan or hardcore hockey fan or whatever.

01:07:52But he has the brain that a lot of younger coaches have, which is that everything is

01:07:57an opportunity to learn and study and I can apply something that I see into my coaching

01:08:04like breathing exercises at the theater, like breathing exercises at the theater for Sean

01:08:09Grandy, the stat guy, the longtime voice of the Celtics, Evan Valente.

01:08:14I'm Adam Kaufman.

01:08:15Again, the Celts back to work with a back to back Friday and Saturday at Charlotte.

01:08:19Hopefully next time we're talking, because again, that's probably going to be after the

01:08:23Golden State game.

01:08:25I'd love to say four more wins.

01:08:26It's entirely possible.

01:08:28But even if we're sitting here with this team sitting at, you know, seven and two, I don't

01:08:32think anybody's going to be complaining, obviously.

01:08:35So well, somebody will.

01:08:38Yeah, we will.

01:08:39We'll talk about that.

01:08:40We won't be complaining.

01:08:41Thanks for tuning in.

01:08:42Everybody have a happy Halloween.

01:08:44Be safe out there.

01:08:45Eat lots of candy.

01:08:46Get a sugar high.

01:08:47Stay up late and enjoy your Celtics basketball tomorrow again for Sean, for Evan.

01:08:51I am Adam.

01:08:52We'll talk to you again soon.

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