Next with the defence secretary, we turn to the situation in Ukraine, and ask if we are creating a stalemate in the war with Russia and if tens of thousands of people are dying needlessly.
It comes after Ukraine's president Volodymyr Zelenskyy said this week: "We are in a nonsense situation where the West is afraid that Russia will lose the war. And it does not want Ukraine to lose it."
Grant Shapps replies that he went to Ukraine earlier this year and made the point that "by delaying what we should be doing... we are running the risk of doing exactly what President Zelenskyy is concerned about".
He adds: "I think this completely nonsensical for the West. We have to understand we are in an existential battle about the way we run the world order and about democracy itself."
He accuses autocratic countries of trying to "impose" its systems on "free and democratic countries", and declares: "We have to stand up to that."