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Amateur electric keyboard as synthEdit
Is the electronic keyboard (the one sold to amatures and children) considered a synthesizer? If not, why? I feel this information is important to the article, especially for amatures such as myself. -- unsigned...
- An interesting point you raise there. I'd say no, as those keyboards don't have the ability to manipulate signals (they just play them back). Generally people differentiate between "synthesizers" and "electronic keyboards" in this way; a synth is a professional instrument, and an electronic keyboard isn't. However, the synthesizer article does say "a device capable of generating and/or manipulating electronic signals" though, so under that definition they could be considered synthesizers. - Zeibura Talk 04:18, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
Malgreat (talk) 03:06, 16 October 2018 (UTC)Malgreat I have edited the reference to the Electronic Keyboard "as" a so-called "synthesizer," by taking-out where the piece had read that the Electronic Keyboard "is" "a synthesizer" (with a small amp and speakers). I tried to insert a reference I had just opened an hour earlier, where a video's (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3udBEzq44Lg start at 00:02:33) narrator reads, "A digital (electronic) keyboard is NOT a synthesizer, but plays a digitally sampled, or pre-recorded tone, for each key." (Soon after that part, the narrator goes into much-greater detail, about exactly "what" an actual "synthesizer" actually "is," or does, which makes the difference even more apparent). Although absolutely correct, this 2013 video's content is hardly startling or unique--; since most people who have read enough about digital (electronic) keyboards (that are not "explicitly" sold as "synthesizers") to have bought one--; would already long have known this for themselves, from a multiplicity of common sources. Of course, I included the one reference (citation) I already knew I could locate instantly from my own screen's existing tab-row. I have entered, the url for the video I cited https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3udBEzq44Lg and to "start" the video at 00:02:33 which is where the narrator states, "Electronic Keyboards are NOT synthesizers, then finishes by saying what they "actually" are--; but I could not find where to enter the part about where to have started the video in order immediately to hear that. Please, help me to understand, how to enter this Citation in the proper manner. Thank You. Malgreat (talk) 03:06, 16 October 2018 (UTC)..Malgreat (talk) 03:06, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
- You can't say thing like its amateur or crap like that, one it is not sited, Yamaha did not say it sucks or anything, it's just your personal opinion. First part is whole bag of bullshit, it is totally opinionated, its like saying acoustic guitars are easier to play than electric ones than posting it on a acoustic guitar page. Wikipedia is for facts only, not opinions, so please disprove me by finding a SOURCE for Digital Electric Keyboard have mediocre sound quality. Sure it may not sound as good as the real piano, but you cannot say that keyboardist are for amateurs only. Keyboards have reach popularity from New Wave and other bands, are they mediocre? Depeche Mode uses a keyboard, Mediocre? Hell no, they are making millions. -- unsigned opinion (perhaps: ke)
- No - such amature devices are samplers. While there are often synth sounds, they will be a sample of a synth. I hope that's not too confusing... Sebbi 12:05, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
- Some electronic keyboards (particularly older ones, which used FM synthesis rather than samples to provide their sounds), did have limited synthesizer capability. My Yamaha PSS-680 had 5 user-definable sounds (in addition to the 100 preset ones) generated using a two-oscillator FM synthesizer (although not all parameters were user-editable). --GCarty (talk) 20:32, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
- YES many amateur keyboards sold for children and amateurs are in fact usually synthesizers, doing synthesis using various algorithms, the most notable of which is the ADSR and wave synthesis. When computing power became cheaper towards the year 2000 there are more low cost keyboards that use pre-recorded samples or other more computing intensive synthesis algorithms, but still, they are all technically musical synthesizers. But in the stores and online outlets they are usually not called so, in order to differentiate them from the high-end professional or semi-professional units, sometimes totally WITHOUT a keyboard, and controlled through some other source, like MIDI which can be generated from a plethora of sources besides a musical keyboard. Hope this clarifies the issue פשוט pashute ♫ (talk) 11:03, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
Amature or general?Edit
It is not clear whether this article is meant to be soley covering amature keyboards or keyboards generally. I think it's important that the definition that's used in practice is at least mentioned but if it's meant to be a general keyboard article it lacks ALOT of depth. I feel it could at least mention things like controller keyboards, semi-weighted keys, and a bit more about how keyboards are controlled (professional deviced have expression pedals, knobs, faders and such) etc. Sebbi 12:05, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
popularly called as Sustain pedal by keyboardists and musicians alikeEdit
I may be misunderstanding this but isn't a keyboardist, someone who plays keyboards. Thus is this some stab at keyboard players not being real musicians? I'm probably misinterpreting it, but until someone corrects me I find it very funny.--AresAndEnyo (talk) 08:47, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
- I agree with you. That whole section is misleading and unclear, I'll get down to fixing it at some point. - Zeibura ( talk ) 09:25, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
- I've converted all the "controls" stuff into prose and also explained more about how keyboards use MIDI. however, I have a nasty feeling this will make no sense to someone who doesn't know anything about general MIDI, so any additions or feedback would be welcome. I'll have a look at sourcing that at some point and also converting the rest of the article into prose, it currently looks too much like a glossary or dictionary to be considered encyclopedic.
- Also, I've removed the earlier statement saying "most electronic keyboards are outfitted with a MIDI interface" — I'm pretty sure you'd have a hard time finding an electronic keyboard that doesn't use MIDI that isn't more than 20 years old. The article could probably use some data on pre-MIDI formats used in electronic keyboards, I'd be a bit out of my depth there though. - Zeibura ( talk ) 10:12, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
including, but not limited toEdit
In a live performance of Won't Get Fooled Again, that took place in 1978, the drummer has earphones so that he can hear the synthesizer track, because they did not have keyboard players in those days. So can someone specify exactly which year the electronic keyboard was introduced? BulsaraAndDeacon (talk) 09:24, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
"less feature-laden" than a digital piano? I think not.Edit
It shares many of the same features of other electronic keyboard instruments (e.g., a stage piano, digital piano, professional arranger keyboard, clonewheel organ, or synthesizer), but unlike these instruments, an electronic keyboard tends to be a simpler, less-feature-laden.
Rubbish. Keyboards usually have *many many more* features than these other types of instruments, which are intended to to one specific job extremely well. Home Keyboards are intended to be jacks of all trades, and consequently are often more complicated, and much more feature-laden. E.g. a "digital piano" is intended to accurately mimic the sound of a real piano, and they generally don't do much else. 22.214.171.124 (talk) 14:44, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
Look out for possible copyright violations in this articleEdit
This article has been found to be edited by students of the Wikipedia:India Education Program project as part of their (still ongoing) course-work. Unfortunately, many of the edits in this program so far have been identified as plain copy-jobs from books and online resources and therefore had to be reverted. See the India Education Program talk page for details. In order to maintain the WP standards and policies, let's all have a careful eye on this and other related articles to ensure that no copyrighted material remains in here. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 15:05, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
Re digital electric pianoEdit
230V current was accidentally plugged to 110V digital Kawai Piano. Doesn't work now. Is there a fuse that goes off when such a thing happen? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 22:06, 9 November 2014 (UTC)