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Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Barristter07: 7:38am On Oct 20, 2020

Emusan: Olodo...where is the contradiction? They didn't become ANGEL...go school you no gree! After Adam and Eve ate the fruit, God said they have BECOME LIKE one of US. I guess to your tiny Brain Adam and Eve are now sexless since God is sexless. Let's examine your claim . Genesis 3:22 " Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. " ESV God said IN KNOWING GOOD and BAD . He didn't just say they become like US. U this Fraud In Jesus statement he said they won't Marry , cos they will be like angels. Angels don't marry because they are sexless. You can't escape this. Your Male and Female sexes in heaven debunked. The right question should have been, who are the one affected by the second death? All believers cannot be affected by the second death The second death is for "the coward, liars false prophets (JWs) e.t.c Anyone having part in the first ressurection cannot be harmed by second death. Once you share in it, you can't be harmed, begs the question : which ressurection did those harmed have ? Just as it has been your problem since onset. You can keep asking. Just tell us that Unbelievers are part of Paul's statement in that Romans. That's all. Quicken means to make alive . Simple Finally you accept unbelievers have God's spirit too. We are seeing it clearly that your glorious body idea stretched to even unbelievers And the same God's kingdom reaching to earth How could flesh and blood live forever on paradise earth when they are flesh and blood The earth he has given to the son of men . The verse refer to the heavens . Which contradict your stance that men of flesh and blood went to heaven. Here it is from the horse mouth itself "In the Bible, the word translated as “resurrection” comes from the Greek a·naʹsta·sis, which means “raising up” or “standing up again.” A person who is resurrected is raised up from death and restored to life as the person he was before.​ — 1 Corinthians 15:12, 13. Just so unfortunate that after your lying organization can say this, they still go ahead to claim some people became spirit beings at resurrection. You're just hiding under the delusion of your deluded brother, come out boldly you're man enough. Brainwashed JWs! Believers Flesh and blood Unbelievers Flesh and blood Believers Raised incorruptible Unbelievers Raised incorruptible too Believers Quicken bodies Unbelievers Quicken bodies. You are a fraud Emusan. The Glorious body of Christ shared by even unbelievers . 2 Likes

Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by haddeylium(m): 7:53am On Oct 20, 2020

johnw47: where did you agree with me The part I Bolden Jesus had already been sacrificed, the debt has already been paid raising His crucified body back to life, does not and cannot change that In essence, Jesus got back his sacrificed human body after after resurrection?

Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by haddeylium(m): 8:00am On Oct 20, 2020

Kobojunkie: Let's first consider the context of the verse that you lifted from Luke 22 there. This event happened many hours before Jesus Christ was crucified on the cross. At least answer me this, since Jesus Christ said during the Passover dinner that [b]the Bread represented His body, right before breaking it up and giving it [/b]to His disciples, pray tell, what body did He have to, afterwards, walk around with, and even get crucified on the cross with. Are we to assume His body was no longer whole after it was ingested by His disciples at the Passover dinner? Stop pulling verses out of their original context to try to make it say whatever you want. Youve answered yourself! The bread represented or symbolized his body which he's sacrificed! When the disciples ate the bread, they don't get it back, do they? When Jesus sacrificed his actual human body, did he get it back after he was resurrected?

Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Barristter07: 8:01am On Oct 20, 2020

. livingchrist: I m not surprised that you are a liar. I did not say unbelivers will have incorruptible body, I only said in away or in resemblance stop lying everyone can read our post. 10:57am October 19 you said " Resurrected unbelievers will still get their old corruptible body just like what they died with. " 4:30pm on October 19 you said . " In a way the unbelievers body will also be incorruptible but only in a negative way. " 9:01pm on October 19 you said " I did not say unbelivers will have incorruptible body, " Your lies are now exposed to the public. Can you see yourself ? If Jesus body was not physical then you can also say the galatian christian were not physical people because paul called them spiritual. Galatians 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. The word translated as physical is in that verse is most suitable for natural. Thank God it didn't say they have Spiritual body. Which Is not a physical body They are opposites. I repeat I said I wont give you a respond but I will put you to silence this once. Yes Jesus body was spiritual but it doesnt mean Jesus was a spirit, It means Jesus body is not physical, emphasis on " body " On your vomit that God gives sinners a glorified body like that of Jesus Daniel 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. Sinners cannot possess a glorious body hence they would have not woken up in shame and contempt. A Corruptible body like the one we have now can withstand fire for how many days ?? So for how many years will the new body withstand fire ? U don't have any reasoning if you don't see it clearly that they got the Glorious body according to your theory Only those who died with Christ, meaning only those whose sins are done away with through his sacrifice will have same resurrection as Jesus. Romans 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: If he was raised a physical being, it means People will retain their scars in the likeness of his ressurection , Eat and excrete feaces too. Jesus ressurection retain scars right ? That's not a perfect body, a glorious body cannot have wounds. Someone burn by fire will retain the burns livingchrist, do you think at all ? I doubt why are you running away from kjv use of natural instead of physical? From what paul was saying, natural is more suitable than physical. Jesus body was not natural but spiritual. I said you don't have any thinking ... This is how KJV translates 1 Cor 15:44 " It is sown a natural body; " So which body was sown or buried, is it not the physical body that it called natural ? So in your little knowledge, it will still be raised in that same physical body of flesh and bones that was buried. I said it, you don't think . KJV has now proved natural is physical . It means Jesus can't be physical bodied 1 Like

Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Kobojunkie: 8:13am On Oct 20, 2020

haddeylium: Youve answered yourself! The bread represented or symbolized his body which he's sacrificed! When the disciples ate the bread, they don't get it back, do they? When Jesus sacrificed his actual human body, did he get it back after he was resurrected? You know the reason for context? It is so the message is not miscontrued. Luke 22 vs 14-23 (ERV) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 14. And when the hour came, he reclined at table, and the apostles with him. 15. And he said to them, “I have earnestly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer. 16. For I tell you I will not eat it[b] until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God.” 17. And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he said, “Take this, and divide it among yourselves. 18. For I tell you that from now on I will not drink of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.” 19. And he took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body, which is given for you. Do this in remembrance of me.” 20. And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood.[c] 21. But behold, the hand of him who betrays me is with me on the table. 22. For the Son of Man goes as it has been determined, but woe to that man by whom he is betrayed!” 23. And they began to question one another, which of them it could be who was going to do this. You accept that Jesus Christ gave of Himself to His disciples to eat during the Passover dinner. Was it not that same body(or are you suggesting it was not longer whole after that event) that Jesus Christ walked to His death with? Did He, Jesus Christ, not you when He rose that He lost His body as a result of His dying on the cross? He told you He was still flesh and blood... not halfed or missing any organs. So why do you continue to suggest He lost His body when He gave bread during Passover and again when He died on the cross?

Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by AkinwaleJJ(f): 8:18am On Oct 20, 2020

Emusan: Here come the hypocrite again! Your brothers insulted people, instead of you to rebuke them, you will go behind to hail them which means you give your support to their actions. Now here comes the hypocrite pretending as if she didn't know anything. Like I said, your frustration just started. I'm waiting for your razor blade mouth. The bolded is where you're wrong. All of you are brothers since you agreed to discuss on Bible topics and engage in insults, when one man insulted another it's based on their approach and responds. That doesn't bring everyone around you into the game of insult simply because you feel they're on the same side. Why do we blame northeners for attacking people indiscriminately? I once heard this people attacked schools of toddlers simply because they heard that southerners are fighting against their people! I believe you're not a northerner so try to face whoever insults you, that's what makes you a real man! 2 Likes

Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Emusan(m): 8:22am On Oct 20, 2020

Barristter07: Let's examine your claim . Genesis 3:22 " Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. " ESV God said IN KNOWING GOOD and BAD . He didn't just say they become like US. U this Fraud See the lying liar mouth! But the become like God and they're still male and female. In Jesus statement he said THEY WON'T Marry , cos they will be like angels. Angels don't marry because they are sexless. You can't escape this. Your Male and Female sexes in heaven debunked. Then who says those after resurrection will marry because they are still male and female? Even Revelation talks about the 144,000 as a VIRGIN in heaven. Are angels also virgin? But the main point is, Jesus was addressing the issue of those WHO HAD LIVED LONG BEFORE HIM as a practice initiated by MOSES. So THESE PEOPLE according to your doctrine won't be part of the Heavenly Resurrection, how come Jesus told them that "In RESURRECTION (general) they neither marry nor given in marriage..." if Jesus was actually talking about heavenly resurrection When Jesus could have said, well when they resurrected on earth each person will get his own wife. Anyone having part in the first ressurection cannot be harmed by second death. Once you share in it, you can't be harmed, begs the question : which ressurection did those harmed have? The Bible simply explains what second death means But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” Rev 21:8 Quicken means to make alive . Simple Finally you accept unbelievers have God's spirit too. We are seeing it clearly that your glorious body idea stretched to even unbelievers Where did I say unbelievers have God's spirit? Ode.. I asked you, just tell us unbelievers are part of Paul's statement in that Romans The earth he has given to the son of men . The verse refer to the heavens . Which contradict your stance that men of flesh and blood went to heaven. You believe they can't go to heaven because flesh and blood can't inherit kingdom of God. When you also know that Earth is will be part of God's kingdom. So know where to hide for your lying mouth. Believers Flesh and blood Unbelievers Flesh and blood Believers Raised incorruptible Unbelievers Raised incorruptible too Believers Quicken bodies Unbelievers Quicken bodies. You are a fraud Emusan. The Glorious body of Christ shared by even unbelievers . Lying liar JWs following the perfect lying liar organization. Who made all these claims

Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:31am On Oct 20, 2020

AkinwaleJJ: The bolded is where you're wrong. All of you are brothers since you agreed to discuss on Bible topics and engage in insults, when one man insulted another it's based on their approach and responds. That doesn't bring everyone around you into the game of insult simply because you feel they're on the same side. Why do we blame northeners for attacking people indiscriminately? I once heard this people attacked schools of toddlers simply because they heard that southerners are fighting against their people! I believe you're not a northerner so try to face whoever insults you, that's what makes you a real man! Who told you he's not a Sabaruma? For information Ma, Emusan lives in the north breaths their air, drinks their water, eat their food and surely he must have been infected with their gas there aa social distancing doesn't work well them there. So no matter how you try to pacify him Emusan will continue to insult you just like any common mallam will do indiscriminately! He's fond of accusing people for his folly, he will still come back to say you're frustrated whereas he's the one suffering from frustration! How can you say someone else is frustrated yet the one you're accusing is trying to reason with you?

Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Emusan(m): 8:32am On Oct 20, 2020

AkinwaleJJ: The bolded is where you're wrong. All of you are brothers since you agreed to discuss on Bible topics and engage in insults, when one man insulted another it's based on their approach and responds. Don't be a coward, come out straight! At @color, who are the ALL OF YOU? 1. Me and your JWs brothers 2. Me and other faithful Christians That doesn't bring everyone around you into the game of insult simply because you feel they're on the same side. I gave you hot because you watch your brother insulted another person which you supported by liking his post and even trying to justify the insulting statement only for you to come here and started pretending. Hypocrite! Why do we blame northeners for attacking people indiscriminately? I once heard this people attacked schools of toddlers simply because they heard that southerners are fighting against their people! I believe you're not a northerner so try to face whoever insults you, that's what makes you a real man! Cry me a river! Why do you derive joy when your brother are insulting people instead for you to rebuke them? I heard Northerners do hail their brothers who attacked others for insulting their prophet and Allah... You must be a Northerner.

Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by AkinwaleJJ(f): 8:39am On Oct 20, 2020

My goodness! So he's indeed a northerner! Now i see! Please be careful with those you guys engage in debates, northerners often takes laws into their hands when they're frustrated. Thank you, i'll ignore him henceforth! MaxInDHouse: Who told you he's not a Sabaruma? For information Ma, Emusan lives in the north breaths their air, drinks their water, eat their food and surely he must have been infected with their gas there aa social distancing doesn't work well them there. So no matter how you try to pacify him Emusan will continue to insult you just like any common mallam will do indiscriminately! He's fond of accusing people for his folly, he will still come back to say you're frustrated whereas he's the one suffering from frustration! How can you say someone else is frustrated yet the one you're accusing is trying to reason with you?

Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by haddeylium(m): 8:42am On Oct 20, 2020

Kobojunkie: You know the reason for context? It is so the message is not miscontrued. You accept that Jesus Christ gave of Himself to His disciples to eat during the Passover dinner. Was it not that same body(or are you suggesting it was not longer whole after that event) that Jesus Christ walked to His death with? Did He, Jesus Christ, not you when He rose that He lost His body as a result of His dying on the cross? He told you He was still flesh and blood... not halfed or missing any organs. So why do you continue to suggest He lost His body when He gave bread during Passover and again when He died on the cross? You're right when you said ' The bread Jesus gave them represented his body just as the wine represent his blood cos' Jesus’ body was there in front of the apostles, and so was the unleavened bread they would partake of. Obviously,Jesus was speaking symbolically, as he's find of! Then apostle Paul could wrote Christ our passover has been sacrificed.” (1 Corinthians 5:7) Did he get back his sacrificed body after his resurrection ? Yes or No?

Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by livingchrist: 8:43am On Oct 20, 2020

Barristter07: . 10:57am October 19 you said " Resurrected unbelievers will still get their old corruptible body just like what they died with. " 4:30pm on October 19 you said . " In a way the unbelievers body will also be incorruptible but only in a negative way. " 9:01pm on October 19 you said " I did not say unbelivers will have incorruptible body, " you lack comprehension truly, when has ' lookalike' become the real deal? Dont cut out part of my statement. I put 'in a way" and 'only' there for a reason BTW those where my personal opinion because the bible never stated the kind of body unbelievers would posses Your lies are now exposed to the public. Can you see yourself ? Thank God it didn't say they have Spiritual body. Which Is not a physical body They are opposites. I repeat It means Jesus body is not physical, emphasis on " body " A Corruptible body like the one we have now can withstand fire for how many days ?? So for how many years will the new body withstand fire ? U don't have any reasoning if you don't see it clearly that they got the Glorious body according to your theory If he was raised a physical being, it means People will retain their scars in the likeness of his ressurection , Eat and excrete feaces too. Jesus ressurection retain scars right ? That's not a perfect body, a glorious body cannot have wounds. Someone burn by fire will retain the burns livingchrist, do you think at all ? I doubt I said you don't have any thinking ... This is how KJV translates 1 Cor 15:44 " It is sown a natural body; " So which body was sown or buried, is it not the physical body that it called natural ? So in your little knowledge, it will still be raised in that same physical body of flesh and bones that was buried. I said it, you don't think . KJV has now proved natural is physical . It means Jesus can't be physical bodied spiritual is the opposite of physical right? So the galatian Christian were called spiritual, does it mean they are not physical. Galatians 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Barristter07: 8:46am On Oct 20, 2020

Emusan: See the lying liar mouth! But the become like God and they're still male and female. Like God IN ? Speak louder and be specific ... Like God in ? Be specific . Bursted. Then who says those after resurrection will marry because they are still male and female? .angels don't marry because they are sexless. So also those they will be sexless. Debunking your Male and female gender theory . Even Revelation talks about the 144,000 as a VIRGIN in heaven. Are angels also virgin? But the main point is, Jesus was addressing the issue of those WHO HAD LIVED LONG BEFORE HIM as a practice initiated by MOSES. So THESE PEOPLE according to your doctrine won't be part of the Heavenly Resurrection, how come Jesus told them that "In RESURRECTION (general) they neither marry nor given in marriage..." if Jesus was actually talking about heavenly resurrection When Jesus could have said, well when they resurrected on earth each person will get his own wife. There are two ressurection. Jesus statement refer to the heavenly ressurection were they would become Spirit's , Spirit beings do not have gender , thy do not marry , because they are sexless like the angels who also do not marry The Bible simply explains what second death means But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” Rev 21:8 For a fact it also state it clearly that anyone having part in first ressurection CANNOT be harmed by second death. Once you are ressurected , second death cannot harm you. So begs the question: Which ressurection did those who are harmed have ? Where did I say unbelievers have God's spirit? Ode.. I asked you, just tell us unbelievers are part of Paul's statement in that Romans What Quicken their mortal bodies and make it alive via ressurection ? You believe they can't go to heaven because flesh and blood can't inherit kingdom of God. When you also know that Earth is will be part of God's kingdom. So know where to hide for your lying mouth. The earth he has given to the sons of men. Do you read this in your Bible at all ? So answer me: How did Unbelievers of flesh and blood enter heaven where God's kingdom rules from ? Lying liar JWs following the perfect lying liar organization. Who made all these claims If you didn't make the claim. Debunk it . I repeat. .. Believers Flesh and blood Unbelievers Flesh and blood Believers Raised incorruptible Unbelievers Raised incorruptible too Believers Quicken bodies Unbelievers Quicken bodies. You are a fraud Emusan. The Glorious body of Christ shared by even unbelievers . 1 Like

Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Barristter07: 8:51am On Oct 20, 2020

livingchrist: you lack comprehension truly, when has ' lookalike' become the real deal? Dont cut out part of my statement. I put 'in a way" and 'only' there for a reason In a way simply means you agree they have an incorruptible body . That's a body like Christ going by your flesh and bones logic spiritual is the opposite of physical right? So the galatian Christian were called spiritual, does it mean they are not physical. Galatians 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. He didn't say Ye which are spiritual body . Learn to use your comprehension. Now In what sense are they called Spiritual ? Because they have faith in Christ . Didn't Paul cal a man who doesn't accept Christ as a Physical man. So Paul is saying every human that is Physical body doesn't know Christ or what exactly is your point ? Mr man, the statement to Galatians is not in anyway related to physical/spiritual body. KJV has proved the natural body is Physical body . Are you now saying what is sown , is the same body that was raised up ?? 1 Like

Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Barristter07: 8:55am On Oct 20, 2020

livingchrist: BTW those where my personal opinion because the bible never stated the kind of body unbelievers would posses After flip flopping and discovering you are not stable . You branch to personal opinion. The same personal opinion u have been using for the topic of Spiritual body until KJV burst you that natural body is a physical body . Right ? You agree they will be flesh and bones ? You agree that in a way they will be incorruptible ? You are on a long thing. That is exactly the body Jesus have going by your logic. So they shared Christ body too . 1 Like

Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:58am On Oct 20, 2020

AkinwaleJJ: My goodness! So he's indeed a northerner! Now i see! Please be careful with those you guys engage in debates, northerners often takes laws into their hands when they're frustrated. Thank you, i'll ignore him henceforth! All he can do is to breathe out his frustration on NL that's all. He's tormented each time he finds out that JWs are united in faith, that's why he keeps telling you to go after JWs for exchanging words with him. Just keep watch and you'll see that Emusan can't get anything worthwhile to say on NL than to look for JWs and attack them even when you just post something that's simple and straightforward all what Emusan needs to know is you're one of Jehovah's Witnesses, he doesn't want to know your disposition on any topic. Once you're a JW Emusan will start calling you names, he's favourite is "hypocrites" no matter what you post so far you're one of Jehovah's Witnesses your comment to Emusan is always hypocritical!

Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by johnw47: 9:41am On Oct 20, 2020

haddeylium: In essence, Jesus got back his sacrificed human body after after resurrection? i see, so Jesus was resurrected after He was resurrected, fool you must have short memory, look back at my posts in my profile i have explained much of false jw's confusion concerning Jesus resurrection in more than one thread, and with scriptures

Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Blabbermouth: 9:54am On Oct 20, 2020

haddeylium: Let us consider one another so as to motivate to love and fine works, not forsaking our meeting together.”​—(Hebrews 10:24, 25,) How can a Christ-dependent independent religionist applied that? That was an admonishment from the writer. I do not in any way risk losing my salvation if I decide to stay alone and fellowship with God and with the Lord Jesus (1 John 1:3). Jesus formed a group in his walk on Earth. He also showed that his disciples will form an organized group when he said :“By this all will know that you are my disciples​—if you have love among yourselves.” (John 13:35) They're identified by love among themselves ? With this they'll form an association of brotherhood 1 Peter 2:​17 It's more of an assembly of called out ones, having a new government system and a new king - Christ Jesus (Acts 17:7) than some mere brotherhood. Even if you leave here alone and go to Mars, that fruit continues producing in you. The fruit is not dependent on your group or only shows up when you gather together, it depends solely on your continual abiding in Christ (John 15:4) is it possible for an imperfect human to singlehandedly cultivate all the fruitage of the spirit? Singlehandedly? Impossible! With God, through the union of His word and the move of his spirit, 100% possible while still on earth! The person that brought Christ to me did not entice me with his eloquent or apologetic ability, it was the fragrance of the fruit of the spirit that compelled me to yield. Later later, my Faith was strengthened by unrefuttable demonstration of God's power, by vessels that have yielded to allowing the glory of God manifest in them. Talk about Word of Knowledge, Talk about Prophecy, yea, even healing! Now, you can claim it is possible they were powered by foul spirits, but so far in my life, I have not seen a spirit having access to the deep things in God's own mind. Devil is not in partnership with Jesus, why should he use demonic demonstration of the supernatural to the end of making me saved from death (his own grip) and getting closer to God?

Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by DappaD: 9:58am On Oct 20, 2020

MaxInDHouse: All he can do is to breathe out his frustration on NL that's all. He's tormented each time he finds out that JWs are united in faith, that's why he keeps telling you to go after JWs for exchanging words with him. Just keep watch and you'll see that Emusan can't get anything worthwhile to say on NL than to look for JWs and attack them even when you just post something that's simple and straightforward all what Emusan needs to know is you're one of Jehovah's Witnesses, he doesn't want to know your disposition on any topic. Once you're a JW Emusan will start calling you names, he's favourite is "hypocrites" no matter what you post so far you're one of Jehovah's Witnesses your comment to Emusan is always hypocritical! So far you're a JW even if you create a thread with the topic “The Bible is God's Word”, the man in question will still appear out of nowhere to contend and argue with you. Ever since I noticed that nonsense, I've been ignoring the guy flat. Can't have that kind of toxic energy around me. 1 Like

Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by AkinwaleJJ(f): 10:10am On Oct 20, 2020

Hmmm if that's the case with him then he should be ignored completely! He needs to know that JWs aren't the cause of the frustration in Christendom. Imagine i said "i believe you're not a northerner" Mr Emusan's response ~ You must be a northerner! DappaD: So far you're a JW even if you create a thread with the topic “The Bible is God's Word”, the man in question will still appear out of nowhere to contend and argue with you. Ever since I noticed that nonsense, I've been ignoring the guy flat. Can't have that kind of toxic energy around me. 1 Like

Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Janosky: 10:22am On Oct 20, 2020

Ihedinobi3: I think that I will avoid talking to you going forward. Just as I said, when some of you are still new on the forum, you put up a front that suggests that you may be decent or more productive to talk with, just as was my impression with Maximus with his first monicker, but as time goes on, you show just how "street" you are, how uncouth and unreasoning. What is the point of talking about defamation? Is defamation of character not the same as making unsubstantiated accusations with a view to giving someone a bad reputation? Did I not explain that I provided what I believed to be evidence? Have you refuted the evidence to show that my accusations are false? On what basis then are you talking about defamation of character? "Playing the victim card"? LOL. It is kinder to you for me to "play the victim card." If you want me to stoop to your level, I could, but I prefer not to in order to show respect to my commanding officer. If I did, you would soon learn how abusive I once knew how to be. As for your time on this platform, you're the one who made a claim as if you have been on Nairaland since the first day it launched. Have your say, if you please, but don't make claims about which you know nothing. Where were you when myself, Enigma, MrAnony1, and a bunch of others were debating the Trinity with ijawkid, truthislight, and others of your ilk? Certainly not here. Yet, you think you can tell me how soundly the Trinity argument has been defeated so many times over. And on Nairaland no less. As for your opinion, my posts are still public, any reasoning person can tell whether I ever solicited your opinion on anything. You've been having delusions of grandeur since I addressed you, suggesting at least once that I want to learn something from you, in spite of the fact that I have demonstrated several times that I know the JW doctrine quite well and don't need your tutoring in it. If you want to talk, by all means, talk, but when you claim that I either want you to or have asked you to share your opinion, keep in mind that you are only proving yourself the liar that I said that you and your ilk are. So, no defamation of character there, just a statement of fact. Edit: Regarding your addition about me calling the JW a cult of liars, 1. It was obviously not an insinuation. It was a clearly declared accusation. 2. Are you not the ones who have been boasting of your organization's defining quality of lack of dissent? What is the definition of a cult again? 3. Did I really call you a cult of liars because you disagreed with me? Was it not rather because you have been collectively willfully misrepresenting clear biblical statements? I didn't even take into consideration the many lies you have told against me since we started talking here. Edited. Revelation 3:5,12 New King James Version . 5 He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels. . 11 Behold, I am coming quickly! Hold fast what you have, that no one may take your crown. 12 He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God. And I will write on him My new name." Bros, according to your "I am" in heaven, who is his "my God and my Father"? Bros, What is the "willfully misrepresented clear Biblical statements in Revelations 3:5,11,12 ? Igbo man wey dey teach Jews their Hebrew language 1 Like

Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by haddeylium(m): 11:59am On Oct 20, 2020

[quote author=Blabbermouth post=95121714] That was an admonishment from the writer. I do not in any way risk losing my salvation if I decide to stay alone and fellowship with God and with the Lord Jesus (1 John 1:3 Study (Hebrews 10:24, 25) . That scriptures clearly stated that true worshippers would render worship as brothers and sisters, united as a body. And this congregation as being united by a bond of love and peace. Ephesians 4:2, 3 How can someone that is an independent worshipper or detached from other worshippers achieved this? The Bible urge worshippers to speak in agreement, to avoid divisions, and to be “fitly united in the same mind and in the same line of thought.” (1 Corinthians 1:10) Would this make sense to loose association of spiritually-minded individuals?? True worshippers will merge into a tight community of faith with a belief acceptable to God Singlehandedly? Impossible! With God, through the union of His word and the move of his spirit, 100% possible while still on earth! Yeah. You're right. It's impossible for an imperfect human to cultivate all this nine fruit of the spirit. Only Jesus that is perfect manifested all this fruitage . But all the fruits of the spirit is notice among the congregation of God's people. So, it's left to you to recognize the group manifesting all this fruitage of the spirit

Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by haddeylium(m): 12:05pm On Oct 20, 2020

johnw47: i see, so Jesus was resurrected after He was resurrected, fool you must have short memory, look back at my posts in my profile i have explained much of false jw's confusion concerning Jesus resurrection in more than one thread, and with scriptures Fool?.... Dont get so emotional. We both agree Jesus sacrificed his human body as a payment for our debt...agreed? Just to be sure.. Did he get his body back after he was resurrected back to life? Yes or No?

Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Ihedinobi3: 1:11pm On Oct 20, 2020

haddeylium: Yet, Wisdom is Justified by its works! It's not enough to claimed to belong to a religion or to be a Christian. Jesus himself said : “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom (Matthew 7:16, 17) Like counterfeit money, false religion has no real value such religion is actually harmful. True religion gives everlasting life while false religion leads to destruction. How do we identify the true religion today? Jesus said “By their fruits you will recognize them,” he said. “Every good tree produces fine fruit.” (Matthew 7:16, 17) In summary, true religion would be recognized by their beliefs and their conduct. What fruit does the true religion produce? Mention those producing the fruit or practicing it If you have been on this thread sharing your opinion, this is for you. keep the same energy and validate your belief Cc: Blabbermouth,Kobojunkie, livingchrist, Ihedinobi3 I'm not sure why you called my attention. If you think that it is not enough to be a Christian, then I certainly have nothing to say to you. I couldn't possibly be wiser than the Bible itself. If the Scriptures teach that it is only faith in the God-Man Who died for our sins that saves us - and it does in John 1:12; 3:15-18; Ephesians 4:8-9; and so many other passages besides - and if they teach that those who believe were called Christians - as they certainly do in Acts 11:26 and 1 Peter 4:16 - I am perfectly secure in my conviction that it is enough for me to be a Christian in order to be saved. If you want to call that a false religion, have at it. Doesn't make a difference to me. I am quite convinced that you are dead wrong. And as I have warned you and your friends here, as long as you remain committed to the lies that you have believed in the JW camp, you will end up in the Lake of Fire for all eternity. If you think that that is a load of bunk, then forget about it and get on with your lives. That is fully what I do when I hear your teachings: I basically ignore them and only remember them for encounters like this one. As for fruits, on the one hand, the behavior described in Galatians 5:22-23 is certainly what the Bible demands of believers, and we certainly ought to be striving for perfection in it (Matthew 5:48; Romans 12:1-2), but we will not attain perfection in this life (1 John 1:8; James 3:2). We will stumble quite often especially as long as we remain spiritual infants (cf. 1 Corinthians 1-6; esp. 3:1-4). If we commit to spiritual growth, we will become better and better at behaving the way that Galatians 5:22-23 describes and also at helping our fellow believers to grow spiritually and bear their own fruit to the Lord (Romans 12:1-2; Ephesians 4:11-16). So, I don't believe that I hold the same view as you. There are bad Christians who don't pursue spiritual growth and whose behavior is despicable, but the Lord disciplines them right up to the point of killing them too (1 Corinthians 5:1-5; 11:17-32; 1 John 5:16) if they don't respond to the discipline and repent. They are killed in order that they may be saved from the Lake of Fire. For those who do repent their foolish behavior, discipline turns them around from a fruitless path and makes them productive for the Lord (Hebrews 12:11). There are also unbelievers whose behavior can be very admirable indeed (Romans 2:14-15), but that has nothing to do with being saved (Ephesians 2:9). Excellent behavior is only the bare minimum that we all need to be able to live together in human communities. It is why law exists. Salvation is something else altogether. If we are going to be saved, then we must have faith in the God-Man Who died for us, the One whom the Bible calls Jesus Christ. On the other hand, as mentioned before, the fruit expected of us is not merely good behavior. It is more properly our specific spiritual works that help unbelievers become believers (if they wish it) and also help fellow believers grow spiritually (that is, learn the full teachings of the Bible, believe it, and obey it) and bear their own fruit as well (that is, help others as well) if they too wish it (Ephesians 2:10; 1 Corinthians 12, esp. v.7). It is this latter fruit of which the Lord speaks in Matthew 7:15-20. He was speaking of how to identify false prophets, after all. If any prophet says things that are not profitable, that is, they do not help us understand the Word of God or they do not speak the very words of God, which are the fruits that we can derive from them, then we are deriving evil fruit from them, that is, we are receiving lies and evil counsel from them that obscures the knowledge of God for us. This is what the Lord illuminates in Matthew 12:33-35. So, I'm afraid, how nice you JWs are to each other is not enough reason to believe that you are saved. I certainly admire good behavior wherever I see it, and that is why the repulsive behavior of your cohorts here has left a bad taste in my mouth. But being nice is only a natural human requirement that even unbelievers can fulfill. Faith is something else altogether. Not everyone has faith (2 Thessalonians 3:2). And as far as the Bible is concerned, it is lack of faith in God's Messiah that is the true wickedness and evil fruit. Cheers.

Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by livingchrist: 2:19pm On Oct 20, 2020

Barristter07: In a way simply means you agree they have an incorruptible body . That's a body like Christ going by your flesh and bones logic when has 'in a way' mean 'it is'? The fact is, I never said they will have an incorruptible body like that of Jesus. He didn't say Ye which are spiritual body . Learn to use your comprehension. Now In what sense are they called Spiritual ? Because they have faith in Christ . Didn't Paul cal a man who doesn't accept Christ as a Physical man. So Paul is saying every human that is Physical body doesn't know Christ or what exactly is your point ? Mr man, the statement to Galatians is not in anyway related to physical/spiritual body. KJV has proved the natural body is Physical body . Are you now saying what is sown , is the same body that was raised up ?? the bone of contention is the word 'spiritual' you said spiritual is the opposite of physical, and I asked, you does it mean the galatian Christians weren't physical, since they were called spiritual? Simple. at bolded see blabbing, what happened to your opposite of physical is spiritual? wonderful, so, Las las, they are physical but are also spiritual right? Use that same, way for the spiritual body.

Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by livingchrist: 2:25pm On Oct 20, 2020

Barristter07: After flip flopping and discovering you are not stable . You branch to personal opinion. The same personal opinion u have been using for the topic of Spiritual body until KJV burst you that natural body is a physical body . Right ? You agree they will be flesh and bones ? You agree that in a way they will be incorruptible ? You are on a long thing. That is exactly the body Jesus have going by your logic. So they shared Christ body too . what are you saying? Every thing about the body of unbelievers we have being saying are all speculations, which means it is based on personal opinion which may be correct or not. As for the body of Jesus, the bible is clear about it. One thing is clear only Christians are getting a body like that of Jesus.

Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:46pm On Oct 20, 2020

Hi haddeylium, I've come to realize that the only problem JWs have with the world is the presentation of any group as unique or outstanding! Matthew 5:13-16 Everyone just want to hear that in any religion they choose or find themselves, there can be true worshipers as well as false. With this in mind they feel OK with whatever you believe, though at times there may be strong opposition leading to fierce arguements, insults, abuses and curse due to contradictions but still they feel that's normal. But once you emphasize on the importance of a unique group as a compulsion then you become an object of hatred before all of them. So Jesus' Parable of Lazarus and the rich man comes to mind. Both were OK until one got divine acceptance and the other was rejected the rejected keep on crying. The truth will ever remain that there are special kind of people we must search for to bring into the fold ~ The lost sheep of the house of Israel! Matthew 10:6, 15:24 Surely a true sheep will realize that it is not in the right place of worship, even the fear of contradictions of not having the same line of thought will hunt it and so the sheep will continue longing fervently to find the rest of it's kind and join them in pure worship to Jehovah shoulder to shoulder! Zephaniah 3:9 Let's just say the uniqueness of Jehovah's Witnesses Organization is that great chasm standing between us and the world! Luke 16:26 2 Likes 2 Shares

Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Barristter07: 2:57pm On Oct 20, 2020

livingchrist: what are you saying? Every thing about the body of unbelievers we have being saying are all speculations, which means it is based on personal opinion which may be correct or not. As for the body of Jesus, the bible is clear about it. One thing is clear only Christians are getting a body like that of Jesus. This is a useless claim if you can't describe the body of unbelievers with conviction .how can you say they won't get the body of Jesus if you don't know yet ?? You are so funny Here what Paul said about this features " So it is with the ressurection of the dead, it is sown in corruption, it is raised up in incorruption... For this which is corruptible must put on incorruption, and this which is mortal must put on immortality... Thanks to God for he gives us victory through our Lord Jesus Christ " 1 Corinthians 15:52,54,47 Examine the following by your logic 1. Jesus body is flesh and bones, will Unbelievers have flesh and bones too ? Yes. 2. A body that can burn in hell forever is mortal or immortal ? Immortal . 3. It's also incorruptible . They also got an immortal/INCORRUPTIBLE body unless you want to deny they are not flesh and bones or will forever torment in hell . A Corruptible body can't stand fire for one day , talk more of forever. 2 Likes

Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Barristter07: 2:58pm On Oct 20, 2020

livingchrist: what are you saying? Every thing about the body of unbelievers we have being saying are all speculations, which means it is based on personal opinion which may be correct or not. As for the body of Jesus, the bible is clear about it. One thing is clear only Christians are getting a body like that of Jesus. This is a useless claim if you can't describe the body of unbelievers with conviction .how can you say they won't get the body of Jesus if you don't know yet ?? You are so funny Here what Paul said about this features " So it is with the ressurection of the dead, it is sown in corruption, it is raised up in incorruption... For this which is corruptible must put on incorruption, and this which is mortal must put on immortality... Thanks to God for he gives us victory through our Lord Jesus Christ " 1 Corinthians 15:52,54,47 Examine the following by your logic 1. Jesus body is flesh and bones, will Unbelievers have flesh and bones too ? Yes. 2. A body that can burn in hell forever is mortal or immortal ? Immortal . 3. It's also incorruptible . They also got an immortal/INCORRUPTIBLE body like Jesus unless you want to deny they are not flesh and bones or will forever torment in hell . A Corruptible body can't stand fire for one day , talk more of forever. 3 Likes

Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Barristter07: 3:10pm On Oct 20, 2020

livingchrist: the bone of contention is the word 'spiritual' you said spiritual is the opposite of physical, and I asked, you does it mean the galatian Christians weren't physical, since they were called spiritual? Simple. at bolded see blabbing, what happened to your opposite of physical is spiritual? wonderful, so, Las las, they are physical but are also spiritual right? Use that same, way for the spiritual body. Here is a verse that prove the spiritual is the opposite of physical. ( 1 Corinthians 2:14,15 ) Paul contrast a physical man with Spiritual man. He isn't discussing nature but their DIFFERENT mindset.cos if it were nature , BOTH OF THEM ARE PHYSICAL MEN!!! The case of physical body and spiritual body is a DIFFERENT type of Bodies. One is Physical , the other is not. To burst your lies further. " if there is a physical body, there is also a Spiritual one ... What is Physical is first, afterward what is spiritual " A person doesn't have the Spiritual body while they are still in a physical body . It comes later when they are ressurected. But you are saying it is sown physical and raised physical ... U ought to be ashamed 4 Likes

Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by AkinwaleJJ(f): 4:30pm On Oct 20, 2020

MaxInDHouse: Hi haddeylium, I've come to realize that the only problem JWs have with the world is the presentation of any group as unique or outstanding! Matthew 5:13-16 Everyone just want to hear that in any religion they choose or find themselves, there can be true worshipers as well as false. With this in mind they feel OK with whatever you believe, though at times there may be strong opposition leading to fierce arguements, insults, abuses and curse due to contradictions but still they feel that's normal. But once you emphasize on the importance of a unique group as a compulsion then you become an object of hatred before all of them. So Jesus' Parable of Lazarus and the rich man comes to mind. Both were OK until one got divine acceptance and the other was rejected the rejected keep on crying. The truth will ever remain that there are special kind of people we must search for to bring into the fold ~ The lost sheep of the house of Israel! Matthew 10:6, 15:24 Surely a true sheep will realize that it is not in the right place of worship, even the fear of contradictions of not having the same line of thought will hunt it and so the sheep will continue longing fervently to find the rest of it's kind and join them in pure worship to Jehovah shoulder to shoulder! Zephaniah 3:9 Let's just say the uniqueness of Jehovah's Witnesses Organization is that great chasm standing between us and the world! Luke 16:26 With the highlighted i concur! From what i've seen so far on this thread, the abominable speech or expression is all about the GROUP practicing what Jesus taught. Apart from that everyone just feel like singing along so as not to be left behind or out of the groove. 2 Likes

Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by livingchrist: 4:37pm On Oct 20, 2020

Barristter07: This is a useless claim if you can't describe the body of unbelievers with conviction .how can you say they won't get the body of Jesus if you don't know yet ?? You are so funny Here what Paul said about this features " So it is with the ressurection of the dead, it is sown in corruption, it is raised up in incorruption... For this which is corruptible must put on incorruption, and this which is mortal must put on immortality... Thanks to God for he gives us victory through our Lord Jesus Christ " 1 Corinthians 15:52,54,47 Examine the following by your logic 1. Jesus body is flesh and bones, will Unbelievers have flesh and bones too ? Yes. 2. A body that can burn in hell forever is mortal or immortal ? Immortal . 3. It's also incorruptible . They also got an immortal/INCORRUPTIBLE body unless you want to deny they are not flesh and bones or will forever torment in hell . A Corruptible body can't stand fire for one day , talk more of forever. you indeed lack comprehension. Please can you show me where unbelievers will get a body like that of Jesus?