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As I’ve often pointed out, the U.S. government uses broad definitions of white and/or Caucasian because in the early post-War era it was cool to be white and whites weren’t all that persnickety. Hence, North Africans and West Asians all the way past Calcutta were officially white/Caucasian, as were almost all Latin Americans who didn’t volunteer themselves as black.
But after the introduction of affirmative action in 1969, White Privilege rapidly diminished. In the 1970 Census, the often puzzling official federal system was introduced in which Latin Americans could identify as both white racially (Latin America being a White Supremacist culture) and Hispanic by ethnicity and thus qualify for affirmative action privileges. By the 1980 Census, South Asians wanting SBA minority development low interest loans and government contractor minority preferences had bailed out of the cursed white category in favor of uniting with former “Orientals” in the new Asian category.
Ever since, activists representing Middle Easterners have been trying to get the hell out of the disprivileged white category. In January 2017, the lame duck Obama Administration announced a new Middle Eastern and North African category. But the Trump Administration couldn’t see why that was a good idea and canceled the change. Now the Biden Administration is back at it:
From NPR:
New ‘Latino’ and ‘Middle Eastern or North African’ checkboxes proposed for U.S. forms
Updated January 26, 2023 5:38 PM ET
HANSI LO WANGNew proposals by the Biden administration would change how the U.S. census and federal surveys ask Latinos about their race and ethnicity and add a checkbox for “Middle Eastern or North African” to those forms.
The Biden administration is proposing major changes to forms for the 2030 census and federal government surveys that would transform how Latinos and people of Middle Eastern or North African descent are counted in statistics across the United States.
A new checkbox for “Middle Eastern or North African” and a “Hispanic or Latino” box that appears under a reformatted question asking for a person’s race or ethnicity are among the early recommendations announced in a Federal Register notice, which was made available Thursday for public inspection ahead of its official publication.
If approved, the changes would address longstanding difficulties many Latinos have had in answering a question about race that does not include a response option for Hispanic or Latino, which the federal government recognizes only as an ethnicity that can be of any race.
In 1970 it was still sort of cool to be white, especially if you weren’t a very hip Latino. By 2023, though, everybody, even Hispanics, has gotten the message that whites are the Official Scapegoats of modern American, so even Miami Cuban elites want out of the doomed white category.
The reforms would also mark a major achievement for advocates for Arab Americans and other MENA groups who have long campaigned for their own checkbox. While the U.S. government currently categorizes people with origins in Lebanon, Iran, Egypt and other countries in the MENA region as white, many people of MENA descent do not identify as white people. In addition to a new box on forms, the proposal would change the government’s definition of “White” to no longer include people with MENA origins.
Research by the Census Bureau suggests both the addition of a “Middle Eastern or North African” box and a combined question about race and ethnicity could decrease the number of people who identify as white for the national head count. …
English
Arabic
Chinese (Simplified)
Dutch
French
German
Hebrew
Hindi
Italian
Japanese
Korean
Persian
Polish
Portuguese
Russian
Spanish
Swedish
Turkish
Vietnamese
So are Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews MENA? How about Ethiopian Jews? Ethiopian Jews from Israel? Third generation immigrant from Ireland to Egypt who now wants to study at American university?
Do you have to be a thing or is it enough to identify as one?
Makes sense.
Why identify as white when whites themselves don’t defend their own identity and heritage? Whites would rather defend Israel than US or EU borders.
Whites are into Flew-to-Jew.
What a mess Biden is making for this country. He’s truly despicable.
He reminds me of the elderly men in the locked ward of a geriatric care facility that I worked at in 1970 Minneapolis. Wearing suits, wandering in the hall, trying to go to work.
He was elected for a reason.Replies: @Galloway (From NI)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULcJhIoLte4Afterward, Senator Geary becomes a huge friend to the Corleone family, helping them out in any way he can. In the second clip, Geary effusively praises Italians (despite holding private animosity towards their ethnicity). He pours cold water onto the Senate’s investigation of the Italian-American mafia families.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB-GwYPf4AEMy belief is that the above represents a realistic view into what happens in Washington DC. As an example, I'd provide Jeffrey Epstein. This is why American politicians behave in such "strange" ways.Just imagine what the oligarchs are holding over Hunter's head.Replies: @Corvinus
The most absurd thing about the proposed update is that they put “Asian Indians” in the “Asian” category with East Asians. A high caste Aryan Indian is at least ten times more related to “white people” (aka Europeans, as per [proposed] official US regime policy) than to Koreans or Chinese. And “middle easterners” generally share even more genes with “white people” than Aryan Indians do And the racial diversity within India itself is extreme. Also, the “middle east” is in Asia so why aren’t they included in the “Asian” category?
I intend to check every single box on the next census.
Maybe this is the way to break the system. Heighten the contradictions, as Marx put it, so that preferences lose justification in the court of public opinion, while judicial courts will then have even greater reason to declare all the preferences unconstitutional.
We’re a long way away from righting historic wrongs done to the descendants of slaves or even living victims of Jim Crow.
More flight from white. Of course, it’s only fair to note that most of the “race realists” don’t consider MENA people, let alone south Asians to be white anyway. In a lot of cases they don’t consider south Europeans or most Russians to be white either and Jews . . . fugeddaboutit! So flight from white works hand-in-hand with expulsion from white. This just shows that racial categories are arbitrary – much like weight categories in boxing or MMA. This does not mean that there is no such thing as heritable genes anymore than the weight categories mean there is no such thing as mass or gravity. It just means that the categories are set up for something other than scientific purposes. With race categories, the purpose is to determine who gets government goodies and that is certainly meant to exclude whatever white people can’t find a flight.
There are MENA types who are European in appearance and can go unnoticed, but I've found ordinary white Americans tend to regard the typical MENA phenotype person as being non-white. I've also found that white Americans who didn't know a European appearing MENA person was of MENA descent will suddenly regard that person as being exotic and non-white once they do find out.
This probably has to do with white American ancestry being predominantly from the British Isles and Germany.Replies: @Anonymous
For all the talk of how race is merely a social construct and that humanity is all the same, this push for atomization seems to contradict that ethos. Almost as if they don’t believe their own ideology as well.
MENA aside- why not put Mestizos?
Hispanics is not a “racial” term, as we all know.
Hispanic and non-Hispanic.
Talk about lumpers and splitters.
How about a “founding stock” checkbox?
And the “founding stockers” get to collect checks from all the whiny, pesky “foreign stockers” who came later to cash in on what the founding stockers had built.
(I’m only about 1/4 founding stock, but that should be good enough. AnotherMom will have to send me a check. Which wouldn’t do me any good financially but would be kinda fun.)
Absolutely not. Must be traced on both sides. 50 percent minimum. You might as well say you are an Ellis Islander.
You have to go back.Replies: @Galloway (From NI)
So both of you send my kids a cheque.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Origins_Formula
Ever more finely graded racial distinctions, imposed by a now quasi totalitarian government, is further evidence, if any were needed, that the USA’s particular national experiment, started by a motley group of 18th century Anglo Saxon enlightenment thinkers, is right on course for complete decline and total implosion.
All you’re doing here is talking flippantly.Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
I told you what is likely next. Complete decline and total implosion.
"Rebuilding the nation" is the sort of vacuous phrasing that is typical from you, an ersatz profundity.
Really, I don't know why you bother.
Translation: Jews will now officially be able to game the affirmative action grift.
Bean counting wise, the obvious problem in the US is this nonsense “Hispanic” category. The lone ethnicity to be counted one that has almost nothing to do with the founding and settlement of America.
The solution is
— have reasonable racial categories
— have ethnic categories for everyone or no one
Obvious racial categories:
Caucasian
— white European
— south Asian
— middle eastern
— central Asian (Turkic)
Native American
— American Indian
— Eskimo
— Foreign Indio
Black
— ADOS
— Caribbean
— African
East Asian
— fancy
— jungle
Pacific Islander
Abos (which fortunately we have essentially none)
Mixed
— mestizo
— mulatto
— any other mix people can dial up checking multiple boxes.
That breaks up the “Hispanic” nonsense. Most–90%–Americans racially are white, black (inc. mulatto) or mestizo.
Then people can put whatever ethnicity they want–American, English, Scots Irish, Irish, German, Italian, ADOS, Jewish, Mexican, Cuban, Chinese, Indian, Filipino, Arab …
~~
But the key thing is … it’s just bean counting.
And critically, whatever “deals” we offer for say “Native American Indians”, nobody can get any “affirmative action” benefit when their ancestors chose to come here. Hard to think of something more politically repulsive than benefits for *not* being a native whose ancestors built the nation.
Hear, hear!Replies: @Twinkie
A better system would be to use continental (or sub-continental) ancestry categories, i.e. European-descended, South Asian-descended, etc.Replies: @AndrewR, @Anon, @Pixo, @AnotherDad
Indian
Pakistani
Bangladeshi
Chinese
Any other Asian background—Black, Black British, Caribbean or African
Caribbean
African
Any other Black, Black British, or Caribbean background—Mixed or multiple ethnic groups
White and Black Caribbean
White and Black African
White and Asian
Any other Mixed or multiple ethnic background—White
English, Welsh, Scottish, Northern Irish or British
Irish
Gypsy or Irish Traveller
Roma
Any other White background—Other ethnic group
Arab
Any other ethnic groupIf you select “other” there’s a blank to fill in.Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @AnotherDad
I would add Native peoples of Hawaii and Alaska, and probably Puerto Ricans. These were all people who legitimately had the border cross them.
I used to feel guilty about using Affirmative Action for myself and my kids due to me being a mostly white member of an Indian tribe. Then I’ve seen upper middle class people from Latin America, India and East Asia take advantage of AA. Truly sickening.
To be fair, many of the iSteve readers seem to think AA is a Golden Ticket. It is usually not. It gives some advantages in some situations. There is also the other edge of the sword where it can actually be disadvantageous, in that many minorities are automatically assumed to be less qualified than they really are.Replies: @Pixo
Yet you would have the Turks as Central Asian (Turkic) while I'm sure the Greeks would be quite insistent that they were 'European.'
Chile? Chileans like to think of themselves as 'white' -- but anyone who goes there can see quite a bit of American Indian got into the mix.
Spaniards from Southern Spain? Are they more like Swedes or more like Moroccans?Replies: @Dream, @Twinkie, @Odyssey
Yes.
When places like the University of Michigan added the MENA category on college application forms, it was meant to limit the number of MENA who were claiming to be African-American for quota/affirmative action purposes.
Is “Wog” being reintroduced?
Off topic: the Nipsey Hussle Celestial Allstars just got a new member:
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1726656/Aspiring-rapper-Fernando-Johnson-Fdot-killed
“Can ya hear da guns, Fernando?”
Given that Israel is firmly in the Middle East, presumably Jews will check the MENA box and get priority access to colleges and all the rest?
https://strefa44.pl/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/map_of_khazaria.jpg
-- have reasonable racial categories
-- have ethnic categories for everyone or no oneObvious racial categories:
Caucasian
-- white European
-- south Asian
-- middle eastern
-- central Asian (Turkic)
Native American
-- American Indian
-- Eskimo
-- Foreign Indio
Black
-- ADOS
-- Caribbean
-- African
East Asian
-- fancy
-- jungle
Pacific Islander
Abos (which fortunately we have essentially none)
Mixed
-- mestizo
-- mulatto
-- any other mix people can dial up checking multiple boxes.That breaks up the "Hispanic" nonsense. Most--90%--Americans racially are white, black (inc. mulatto) or mestizo.Then people can put whatever ethnicity they want--American, English, Scots Irish, Irish, German, Italian, ADOS, Jewish, Mexican, Cuban, Chinese, Indian, Filipino, Arab ...~~But the key thing is ... it's just bean counting. And critically, whatever "deals" we offer for say "Native American Indians", nobody can get any "affirmative action" benefit when their ancestors chose to come here. Hard to think of something more politically repulsive than benefits for *not* being a native whose ancestors built the nation.Replies: @kaganovitch, @Twinkie, @Pixo, @Paleo Liberal, @Anonymous Jew, @International Jew, @Colin Wright
And critically, whatever “deals” we offer for say “Native American Indians”, nobody can get any “affirmative action” benefit when their ancestors chose to come here. Hard to think of something more politically repulsive than benefits for *not* being a native whose ancestors built the nation.
Hear, hear!
It seems to me there was a time when the goal was to eliminate official racial categories, and apartheid South Africa was held up to scorn for multiplying racial categories.
Flight from White next up speculation: Jews and Italo-Americans?
I mean officially non-White, not just some folks say so.
In British India, Armenians and Baghdadi Jews were classified as natives. America, on the other hand, always had a very broad definition of white.
From Wikipedia:
Inclusion of middle easterners/west Asians as “white” was based on scientific evidence. Their skulls and teeth are identical to Europeans, enough such that clearly share most of their genetic ancestry. Genetics research has recently identified this ancestry: more than 50% of European ancestry is from west Asian farmers who were related to the same ancestors as Arabs. In Norway, some central Euro countries and Scotland, ancestry from steppe populations is higher than this ancestry, but it still makes up nearly 50%. In southern Europe 75-90% of ancestry is from West Asian farmers. So actually, it is Europeans who are middle easterners. Not the other way around.
-- have reasonable racial categories
-- have ethnic categories for everyone or no oneObvious racial categories:
Caucasian
-- white European
-- south Asian
-- middle eastern
-- central Asian (Turkic)
Native American
-- American Indian
-- Eskimo
-- Foreign Indio
Black
-- ADOS
-- Caribbean
-- African
East Asian
-- fancy
-- jungle
Pacific Islander
Abos (which fortunately we have essentially none)
Mixed
-- mestizo
-- mulatto
-- any other mix people can dial up checking multiple boxes.That breaks up the "Hispanic" nonsense. Most--90%--Americans racially are white, black (inc. mulatto) or mestizo.Then people can put whatever ethnicity they want--American, English, Scots Irish, Irish, German, Italian, ADOS, Jewish, Mexican, Cuban, Chinese, Indian, Filipino, Arab ...~~But the key thing is ... it's just bean counting. And critically, whatever "deals" we offer for say "Native American Indians", nobody can get any "affirmative action" benefit when their ancestors chose to come here. Hard to think of something more politically repulsive than benefits for *not* being a native whose ancestors built the nation.Replies: @kaganovitch, @Twinkie, @Pixo, @Paleo Liberal, @Anonymous Jew, @International Jew, @Colin Wright
South Asians and Central Asians are not white (both are hybrids with significant non-white ancestral origins). And “Caucasian” is a faulty category based on outdated science.
A better system would be to use continental (or sub-continental) ancestry categories, i.e. European-descended, South Asian-descended, etc.
Hold on a second, you are aware that white people are the byproducts of an ancient melting pot that included non-white looking people, right?
No way. Tell me you didn't just go full retard, Twinkie. You never go full retard.Replies: @Twinkie
Nope.Replies: @Anonymous
Hear, hear!Replies: @Twinkie
I can see the rationale for ADOS (their ancestors were brought here involuntarily after all), but why is there even any AA for others? I find the logic of people fighting to get here to be “oppressed” absolutely bizarre. That said, even the ADOS has had enough, so the whole AA system should be dismantled.
The general rule is that equal protection requires that governments are not permitted to distribute benefits or impose burdens based on race, unless those classifications meet an impossibly high bar known as “strict scrutiny”. It's beyond obvious that if Mississippi created a college admission preference for white people, the Court (any court) would toss this quicker than you could say KKK.
Somehow in Grutter (and in Bakke), the Ct. invented a heretofore unknown exception to the Constitution called "diversity". This was just a thin veneer for a log rolling compromise ruling by an ideologically divided court which somehow talked O'Connor into granting a 25 year exception to the Constitution because as a practical matter, unless you gave blacks a mulligan they weren't going to make it to college. There are no other Constitutional rights that get 25 year timeouts. This was the Constitutional equivalent of "I'll quit drinking - tomorrow."
So time's up. Grutter is going to sleep with the fishes, pretty soon. This is not really going to fundamentally change liberal ideology but they are going to have to work harder to get around the Constitution.Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @AnotherDad, @Twinkie, @Art Deco, @Giant Duck
American experience with MENAs before 1960 was with Christians and Jews, who are culturally and perhaps even phenotypically closer to Ashkenazis than to Muslim MENAs.
“The medium is the message” – Marshall McLuhan
Back in the old days data technology consisted of sending people out with paper pads marking a box and then having people add up all the checked boxes. This meant you could only have a very few categories, for example Black and White. Later came punch cards which allowed a few more categories. But today we can have as many categories as you would like. AI might allow open ended questions like “Describe yourself” and the AI will listen to your spoken reply, in whatever language your reply in, and fill out a form with all your descriptions of yourself. Conclusion, no flight from white, just increased data resolution.
A better system would be to use continental (or sub-continental) ancestry categories, i.e. European-descended, South Asian-descended, etc.Replies: @AndrewR, @Anon, @Pixo, @AnotherDad
They’re white compared to you, Ling Ling.
https://agmip.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Southern.India_.REGION.image_.landing.page_-1-1024x698.pngReplies: @Dream
It’s actually amazing that so few white people even think about lying on their forms and saying they are not white. Even more so when you consider how lacking in white identity most whites are.
if this was happening to any other race, they wouldn’t even need to talk about it.
Perhaps whites feel that they look so white that they couldn’t possibly pull off pretending not to be–but then, that’s a funny thing to find yourself thinking in a world which tells you that race is a meaningless construct.
Yet Race for whites in the post-racial America is somehow the uniform you can’t take off.
AA was originally sold (by LBJ no less) as a expedient to help people who were harmed by Jim Crow. Helping living people who were held back by unjust laws. Not some sort of payback for slavery.
It may well be it was all a ploy to institute a permanent new order, but no one said so at the time (except people who opposed it).
And the "founding stockers" get to collect checks from all the whiny, pesky "foreign stockers" who came later to cash in on what the founding stockers had built.
(I'm only about 1/4 founding stock, but that should be good enough. AnotherMom will have to send me a check. Which wouldn't do me any good financially but would be kinda fun.)Replies: @Barnard, @Pop Warner, @Corvinus, @Twinkie, @Giant Duck
How much “founding stock” do you have to have in you to qualify? Also, how far back do you have to go to count as “founding stock?” I have read around 10% of Americans can trace their ancestry to the Mayflower.
-- have reasonable racial categories
-- have ethnic categories for everyone or no oneObvious racial categories:
Caucasian
-- white European
-- south Asian
-- middle eastern
-- central Asian (Turkic)
Native American
-- American Indian
-- Eskimo
-- Foreign Indio
Black
-- ADOS
-- Caribbean
-- African
East Asian
-- fancy
-- jungle
Pacific Islander
Abos (which fortunately we have essentially none)
Mixed
-- mestizo
-- mulatto
-- any other mix people can dial up checking multiple boxes.That breaks up the "Hispanic" nonsense. Most--90%--Americans racially are white, black (inc. mulatto) or mestizo.Then people can put whatever ethnicity they want--American, English, Scots Irish, Irish, German, Italian, ADOS, Jewish, Mexican, Cuban, Chinese, Indian, Filipino, Arab ...~~But the key thing is ... it's just bean counting. And critically, whatever "deals" we offer for say "Native American Indians", nobody can get any "affirmative action" benefit when their ancestors chose to come here. Hard to think of something more politically repulsive than benefits for *not* being a native whose ancestors built the nation.Replies: @kaganovitch, @Twinkie, @Pixo, @Paleo Liberal, @Anonymous Jew, @International Jew, @Colin Wright
“The lone ethnicity to be counted one that has almost nothing to do with the founding and settlement of America.”
Well there was the thing where the Spanish discovered America, founded the USA’s first city, and were the first to explore its three largest states: California, Florida, and Texas.
The British government has similar and more reasonable racial classifications, and has been in place since 1991 with minor changes since.
In 2021 they just decided to put gypsies as “white.” English old stock Gypsies/Roma generally do not look much like Indians because of much higher levels of interbreeding with native NW European “traveler” subcultures and baby kidnapping. The new arrivals from SE Europe don’t look white of course.
Keeping tabs separately of white-Asian and white-black hybrids makes good sense too. Here’s the three racial group system plus subgroup used in the UK:
—Asian or Asian British
Indian
Pakistani
Bangladeshi
Chinese
Any other Asian background
—Black, Black British, Caribbean or African
Caribbean
African
Any other Black, Black British, or Caribbean background
—Mixed or multiple ethnic groups
White and Black Caribbean
White and Black African
White and Asian
Any other Mixed or multiple ethnic background
—White
English, Welsh, Scottish, Northern Irish or British
Irish
Gypsy or Irish Traveller
Roma
Any other White background
—Other ethnic group
Arab
Any other ethnic group
If you select “other” there’s a blank to fill in.
The Spanish in Florida--trivial and cleared out. (BTW, St. Augustine is only the USA's first Euro founded city. The mound builder capital in Illinois--Cahokia would qualify as a "city" in these sort of pre-modern terms.) There were only trivial numbers of Mexicans in California at the time of the war--dwarfed by the native population. Only in Texas was there a significant population/influence left from the Spanish/Mexican period--the Tejanos.
As with anything else, you can get a good sense of things by asking "did it really matter".
The United States would still have been the United States with more or less the same demographics and culture if Spanish settlements had never even existed in its borders. Likewise, the native Indians. Part of our history, but our nation's history would be much the same if no one had been here at all.
This is in contrast with 1619 and the blacks. Blacks did not--even remotely--build America. But their presence had a significant impact on our history, culture, politics. (The better, more pleasant America where they were never brought here is--sadly--not the timeline we live in.)Replies: @Anon
You are going to get your wish (at least for college admissions) pretty soon, I think. The current S. Ct. precedents for AA are just as conceptually shaky and indefensible as was Roe v. Wade.
The general rule is that equal protection requires that governments are not permitted to distribute benefits or impose burdens based on race, unless those classifications meet an impossibly high bar known as “strict scrutiny”. It’s beyond obvious that if Mississippi created a college admission preference for white people, the Court (any court) would toss this quicker than you could say KKK.
Somehow in Grutter (and in Bakke), the Ct. invented a heretofore unknown exception to the Constitution called “diversity”. This was just a thin veneer for a log rolling compromise ruling by an ideologically divided court which somehow talked O’Connor into granting a 25 year exception to the Constitution because as a practical matter, unless you gave blacks a mulligan they weren’t going to make it to college. There are no other Constitutional rights that get 25 year timeouts. This was the Constitutional equivalent of “I’ll quit drinking – tomorrow.”
So time’s up. Grutter is going to sleep with the fishes, pretty soon. This is not really going to fundamentally change liberal ideology but they are going to have to work harder to get around the Constitution.
And longer term, all they have to do is get a different supreme court.
This isn't theology it is politics. When you have a multi-ethnic society in a democracy you get ethnic contention and ethnic political allocation.
If you want meritocracy, then have a coherent one-peoplish nation. In those places, if you aren't getting something, people ascribe it to being stupid or untalented or lazy and it doesn't generate much politics beyond general social welfare and "safety net" policies.
But the "must have immigration!" bleaters have given us a much more multi-ethnic society and fractious society. So--utterly unsurprisingly--there is more and more political organization working for ethnic political allocation.Replies: @Pixo, @Jack D
Apology accepted.Replies: @Jack D
Are you really surprised?
When Kamala recently visited L.A. to comfort victims of the mass shooting, one introduction for her was that she is not only the first “black” VP; she is also the first “Asian” VP; and therefore, she understands the Asian community. This equating of NE Asia traits and mental life with India traits and mental life is nonsense. One may dismiss Census 2030 boxes as far away, but that is wrong because current nonsense propagates itself in the shadow of those boxes.
Far away indeed.
I lived in MENA for five years.
The vast majority of people there are not Caucasian, save the indigenous Berbers.
A better system would be to use continental (or sub-continental) ancestry categories, i.e. European-descended, South Asian-descended, etc.Replies: @AndrewR, @Anon, @Pixo, @AnotherDad
So what? So are white people.
Hold on a second, you are aware that white people are the byproducts of an ancient melting pot that included non-white looking people, right?
No way. Tell me you didn’t just go full retard, Twinkie. You never go full retard.
But South Asian hybridization was distinct from the European and that’s why they are different both genetically and phenotypically (even setting aside culturally) despite sharing some ancestral populations.
https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0c31a4533471bb2458e073e193ca0431-pjlq
Or St Augustine’s “Lord, make me pure– but not yet!”
How timely– Pixo just brought up the settling of Florida. Which makes those whitish Cubans the brethren of that state’s founding stock, like a modern Englishman in today’s Massachusetts.
A better metaphor would be Rip Van Winkle. This Court won’t last forever. And imposing the white-derived Fourteenth Amenment and Bill of Rights on a majority of color is white supremacism by definition.
A better system would be to use continental (or sub-continental) ancestry categories, i.e. European-descended, South Asian-descended, etc.Replies: @AndrewR, @Anon, @Pixo, @AnotherDad
“ And “Caucasian” is a faulty category based on outdated science.”
Nope.
-- have reasonable racial categories
-- have ethnic categories for everyone or no oneObvious racial categories:
Caucasian
-- white European
-- south Asian
-- middle eastern
-- central Asian (Turkic)
Native American
-- American Indian
-- Eskimo
-- Foreign Indio
Black
-- ADOS
-- Caribbean
-- African
East Asian
-- fancy
-- jungle
Pacific Islander
Abos (which fortunately we have essentially none)
Mixed
-- mestizo
-- mulatto
-- any other mix people can dial up checking multiple boxes.That breaks up the "Hispanic" nonsense. Most--90%--Americans racially are white, black (inc. mulatto) or mestizo.Then people can put whatever ethnicity they want--American, English, Scots Irish, Irish, German, Italian, ADOS, Jewish, Mexican, Cuban, Chinese, Indian, Filipino, Arab ...~~But the key thing is ... it's just bean counting. And critically, whatever "deals" we offer for say "Native American Indians", nobody can get any "affirmative action" benefit when their ancestors chose to come here. Hard to think of something more politically repulsive than benefits for *not* being a native whose ancestors built the nation.Replies: @kaganovitch, @Twinkie, @Pixo, @Paleo Liberal, @Anonymous Jew, @International Jew, @Colin Wright
Steve has suggested making affirmative action limited to only Native Americans and descendants of American slaves.
I would add Native peoples of Hawaii and Alaska, and probably Puerto Ricans. These were all people who legitimately had the border cross them.
I used to feel guilty about using Affirmative Action for myself and my kids due to me being a mostly white member of an Indian tribe. Then I’ve seen upper middle class people from Latin America, India and East Asia take advantage of AA. Truly sickening.
To be fair, many of the iSteve readers seem to think AA is a Golden Ticket. It is usually not. It gives some advantages in some situations. There is also the other edge of the sword where it can actually be disadvantageous, in that many minorities are automatically assumed to be less qualified than they really are.
You don’t inherit racial guilt or entitlement. All affirmative action is evil. The fact that having it for ADOS is maybe less bad than Hispanics is irrelevant.
It also is an evil theory that’s evil in practice. It has never worked as promised, and never will work.Replies: @Joe Magarac, @Colin Wright, @Achmed E. Newman
Fuck this ghey world.
Presupposes that the USA in something like the current form will still exist.
Far away indeed.
And the "founding stockers" get to collect checks from all the whiny, pesky "foreign stockers" who came later to cash in on what the founding stockers had built.
(I'm only about 1/4 founding stock, but that should be good enough. AnotherMom will have to send me a check. Which wouldn't do me any good financially but would be kinda fun.)Replies: @Barnard, @Pop Warner, @Corvinus, @Twinkie, @Giant Duck
Informally, this is tracked by the English or American ethnicity. “American” is especially used in the South by its White inhabitants because they’ve been here so long they have little connection to their British ancestry beyond those things they brought with them and adapted to the new continent.
I’m sure all of her exposure to Chinese-American culture while at Howard University that just happens to be 3% black. VP Harris is a great example that being black is a much easier path in life than being Asian.
A better system would be to use continental (or sub-continental) ancestry categories, i.e. European-descended, South Asian-descended, etc.Replies: @AndrewR, @Anon, @Pixo, @AnotherDad
I might have generated confusion the way I wrote this. I was advocating having all these buckets.
My rough take is you can do the big three–white, black, yellow–or four–red. But if you bump it out–South Asians, Polynesians, Middle Eastern, etc.–then you can map pretty well to people’s ideas of “race”.
Genetically, I think some of the biggest splits are right in Africa–bushmen, pygmies–and people like the Australian Abos who are descended from some prong of the original coastal–Indian Ocean–expansion. (They are primitive and very dumb in the SAT sense, which is why most all of the Abo grifters are at most a 1/4, often only an 1/8, 1/16 or negligible Abo.)
The deal in America is that we now have this huge mixed, but particular and racially identifiable mestizo population. If we’re going to count people, then just have a “mestizo” racial category and let “Hispanics” decide whether they are white or mestizo or indio or mulatto. And, of course, a specific “mulatto” category is great as well for similar politically discombobulating reasons.
I would add Native peoples of Hawaii and Alaska, and probably Puerto Ricans. These were all people who legitimately had the border cross them.
I used to feel guilty about using Affirmative Action for myself and my kids due to me being a mostly white member of an Indian tribe. Then I’ve seen upper middle class people from Latin America, India and East Asia take advantage of AA. Truly sickening.
To be fair, many of the iSteve readers seem to think AA is a Golden Ticket. It is usually not. It gives some advantages in some situations. There is also the other edge of the sword where it can actually be disadvantageous, in that many minorities are automatically assumed to be less qualified than they really are.Replies: @Pixo
“Steve has suggested making affirmative action limited to only Native Americans and descendants of American slaves”
You don’t inherit racial guilt or entitlement. All affirmative action is evil. The fact that having it for ADOS is maybe less bad than Hispanics is irrelevant.
It also is an evil theory that’s evil in practice. It has never worked as promised, and never will work.
Am I being crazy to think that?Replies: @ziggurat
Indeed. To argue otherwise is to imply we're all members of something like the Borg.
What matters -- overwhelmingly -- is what has happened to me personally. My great great great grandfather may well have been an abused serf in East Prussia. What's far more upsetting to me is if someone stole my car this morning.
I don’t understand what is so confusing about the census question regarding Hispanics/Latinos.
First it asks if you are Hispanic, if yes, what kind. Then you go to the primary section, which asks to identify as a race, which does include mixed.
I think the issue is that people in the US don’t realize just how deracialuzed many Latin Americans are. Some don’t even use the classic casts terms, as I have actually experienced in person.
So the issue isn’t that it is confusing, which it isn’t, but that there is a fundamental cultural misunderstanding.
-- have reasonable racial categories
-- have ethnic categories for everyone or no oneObvious racial categories:
Caucasian
-- white European
-- south Asian
-- middle eastern
-- central Asian (Turkic)
Native American
-- American Indian
-- Eskimo
-- Foreign Indio
Black
-- ADOS
-- Caribbean
-- African
East Asian
-- fancy
-- jungle
Pacific Islander
Abos (which fortunately we have essentially none)
Mixed
-- mestizo
-- mulatto
-- any other mix people can dial up checking multiple boxes.That breaks up the "Hispanic" nonsense. Most--90%--Americans racially are white, black (inc. mulatto) or mestizo.Then people can put whatever ethnicity they want--American, English, Scots Irish, Irish, German, Italian, ADOS, Jewish, Mexican, Cuban, Chinese, Indian, Filipino, Arab ...~~But the key thing is ... it's just bean counting. And critically, whatever "deals" we offer for say "Native American Indians", nobody can get any "affirmative action" benefit when their ancestors chose to come here. Hard to think of something more politically repulsive than benefits for *not* being a native whose ancestors built the nation.Replies: @kaganovitch, @Twinkie, @Pixo, @Paleo Liberal, @Anonymous Jew, @International Jew, @Colin Wright
That’s a sound idea, but we also need racial tribunals a la Brazil. If racism supposedly harms you, but the average person takes you to be White, how can this imaginary harm even exist?
Christian Middle Easterners are, in fact, white
This guy, Israeli Arab/Palestinian Christian, at 1:18, doesn't look generically white in the European sense. On the other hand- he looks like, I'd say- Jesus...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VqmUgami_Y&t=76s
I read the article in its entirety; saw no mention of Israelis. They’re Middle Easterners, no?
Indian
Pakistani
Bangladeshi
Chinese
Any other Asian background—Black, Black British, Caribbean or African
Caribbean
African
Any other Black, Black British, or Caribbean background—Mixed or multiple ethnic groups
White and Black Caribbean
White and Black African
White and Asian
Any other Mixed or multiple ethnic background—White
English, Welsh, Scottish, Northern Irish or British
Irish
Gypsy or Irish Traveller
Roma
Any other White background—Other ethnic group
Arab
Any other ethnic groupIf you select “other” there’s a blank to fill in.Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @AnotherDad
You don’t inherit racial guilt or entitlement. All affirmative action is evil. The fact that having it for ADOS is maybe less bad than Hispanics is irrelevant.
It also is an evil theory that’s evil in practice. It has never worked as promised, and never will work.Replies: @Joe Magarac, @Colin Wright, @Achmed E. Newman
But perhaps it is working as really intended?
Am I being crazy to think that?
It was always meant to be so.
https://www.unz.com/runz/american-meritocracy-revisited/Replies: @Anonymous
Indian
Pakistani
Bangladeshi
Chinese
Any other Asian background—Black, Black British, Caribbean or African
Caribbean
African
Any other Black, Black British, or Caribbean background—Mixed or multiple ethnic groups
White and Black Caribbean
White and Black African
White and Asian
Any other Mixed or multiple ethnic background—White
English, Welsh, Scottish, Northern Irish or British
Irish
Gypsy or Irish Traveller
Roma
Any other White background—Other ethnic group
Arab
Any other ethnic groupIf you select “other” there’s a blank to fill in.Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @AnotherDad
Yeah, and native tribes were here before all that. But all of them lost. And did not create America.
The Spanish in Florida–trivial and cleared out. (BTW, St. Augustine is only the USA’s first Euro founded city. The mound builder capital in Illinois–Cahokia would qualify as a “city” in these sort of pre-modern terms.) There were only trivial numbers of Mexicans in California at the time of the war–dwarfed by the native population. Only in Texas was there a significant population/influence left from the Spanish/Mexican period–the Tejanos.
As with anything else, you can get a good sense of things by asking “did it really matter”.
The United States would still have been the United States with more or less the same demographics and culture if Spanish settlements had never even existed in its borders. Likewise, the native Indians. Part of our history, but our nation’s history would be much the same if no one had been here at all.
This is in contrast with 1619 and the blacks. Blacks did not–even remotely–build America. But their presence had a significant impact on our history, culture, politics. (The better, more pleasant America where they were never brought here is–sadly–not the timeline we live in.)
It is true that blacks did not build America, but they did build the South.
And for this, you must pay.Replies: @AceDeuce, @Art Deco
Put it this way. No American – or indeed western – politician, academic, businessman, journalist, pop star, entertainer etc has ever lost power, kudos, respect or money for not being anti-white *enough*.
It’s largely only whites, with a few exceptions, who believe in equality under the law. Everyone else largely sees government as something to be captured by their group and then used for the benefit of their group.
The political system set up by whites that protected individual rights and equality under the law led to the high standard of living enjoyed in most white countries. It’s hard to say if there is any genetic basis for this. It may be that a certain IQ threshold is required to understand this is the best system. The group that has an almost equivalent IQ, Asians, has also adopted these ideas to a certain extent and their countries have become prosperous too. We should probably hold off importing large numbers of non-whites into this country until we have a better idea that other racial groups are capable of adopting these beliefs.
France outlawed race stats in 1978, seems like a good example to throw in the debate.
Vive La France
The nation of France outlawed the collection of computerized data on race in 1978,and yet we in the USA emphasize our differences
“In fact, the National Assembly voted unanimously in 2018 to remove the word “race” from the constitution after arguing that the term was outdated. The constitution now reads: “France is an indivisible, secular, democratic, and social Republic. It ensures equality before the law for all citizens, without distinction of sex, origin, or religion,” removing the word “race” from its former place between the words “origin” and “religion.” This taboo is also manifested by the French aversion to collecting racial and ethnic data. Throughout France’s extensive history of immigration, thousands of people immigrated to the country, with the first North African migrant workers coming to France in 1871. The number of immigrants continued to rise, sharply increasing following World War II. Immigrants filled employment gaps and reshaped France into a multiethnic mosaic of cultures, races, and traditions. Despite the multiethnic makeup of the country, politicians have steered clear of “race conscious” policy. A 1978 law banned the collection and computerization of racial data, leaving the nation without concrete statistics on race or ethnicity. The law is reflective of the government’s desire to avoid using race as a means of differentiating between individuals and to avoid calling to mind a bitter and scarring time in the nation’s history.”
from here:https://hir.harvard.edu/color-blind-frances-approach-to-race/
Also Roger Clegg had a good article on set asides
https://www.ceousa.org/2019/07/17/keeping-skin-color-and-sex-out-of-government-contracting/
In the article Clegg mentioned George la Noue who has devoted his scholarly life to discussing(dissing) set asides.
Educated Whites in the US are mentally ill given their enthusiasm for being replaced in employment and in their land. It seems their reach for social status has short circuited the extrapolation abilities of their brains and they would rather be enthusiastically anti-white(isn’t that suicide? and thus mental illness) rather than take a stand for their grandchildren.
Perhaps it is the present social trend of the substitution of politics for religion? So articulating suicidal thoughts by today’s educated Whites is similar to early Christianity when new Christians would be forgiven of their sins and immediately seek out a Roman soldier to insult him, saying,”Your Mother s*cks c*cks in hell”. The Roman soldier would take umbrage, draw his sword, the newly pure Christian would be be slaughtered, and head off to Heaven.
Saint Augustine had to put a stop to that…Augustine, suicide is self-murder: “anyone who kills himself is certainly a murderer” (City of God, 1.17).
Alas in our time we lack such voices…White suicide is a good thing.
The general rule is that equal protection requires that governments are not permitted to distribute benefits or impose burdens based on race, unless those classifications meet an impossibly high bar known as “strict scrutiny”. It's beyond obvious that if Mississippi created a college admission preference for white people, the Court (any court) would toss this quicker than you could say KKK.
Somehow in Grutter (and in Bakke), the Ct. invented a heretofore unknown exception to the Constitution called "diversity". This was just a thin veneer for a log rolling compromise ruling by an ideologically divided court which somehow talked O'Connor into granting a 25 year exception to the Constitution because as a practical matter, unless you gave blacks a mulligan they weren't going to make it to college. There are no other Constitutional rights that get 25 year timeouts. This was the Constitutional equivalent of "I'll quit drinking - tomorrow."
So time's up. Grutter is going to sleep with the fishes, pretty soon. This is not really going to fundamentally change liberal ideology but they are going to have to work harder to get around the Constitution.Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @AnotherDad, @Twinkie, @Art Deco, @Giant Duck
O’Connor was a stupid woman, especially for a supposed conservative. Reagan was warned about her.
The general rule is that equal protection requires that governments are not permitted to distribute benefits or impose burdens based on race, unless those classifications meet an impossibly high bar known as “strict scrutiny”. It's beyond obvious that if Mississippi created a college admission preference for white people, the Court (any court) would toss this quicker than you could say KKK.
Somehow in Grutter (and in Bakke), the Ct. invented a heretofore unknown exception to the Constitution called "diversity". This was just a thin veneer for a log rolling compromise ruling by an ideologically divided court which somehow talked O'Connor into granting a 25 year exception to the Constitution because as a practical matter, unless you gave blacks a mulligan they weren't going to make it to college. There are no other Constitutional rights that get 25 year timeouts. This was the Constitutional equivalent of "I'll quit drinking - tomorrow."
So time's up. Grutter is going to sleep with the fishes, pretty soon. This is not really going to fundamentally change liberal ideology but they are going to have to work harder to get around the Constitution.Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @AnotherDad, @Twinkie, @Art Deco, @Giant Duck
First, they’ll functionally ignore the ruling where they can get away with it. As they did with prop 209 in California.
And longer term, all they have to do is get a different supreme court.
This isn’t theology it is politics. When you have a multi-ethnic society in a democracy you get ethnic contention and ethnic political allocation.
If you want meritocracy, then have a coherent one-peoplish nation. In those places, if you aren’t getting something, people ascribe it to being stupid or untalented or lazy and it doesn’t generate much politics beyond general social welfare and “safety net” policies.
But the “must have immigration!” bleaters have given us a much more multi-ethnic society and fractious society. So–utterly unsurprisingly–there is more and more political organization working for ethnic political allocation.
This blackpilling is wrong for two reasons. First, 209 was largely enforced. The black and hispanic share at Berkeley and UCLA immediately plunged and remains far below the pre 209 period and private peer colleges in California.
Now that all California’s GOP judges are aging out, and the UC schools have gone so woke they are not going to use SAT, anything could happen. But for a long period, 209 was a major and highly effective victory against anti-white racism.
Second, to the extent 209 has been undermined lately, it is because it is a state law that must be enforced in state courts. From 1983 to 2011, California had a GOP governor for 24 out of 28 years, so a judiciary that could be expected to follow a clear law. After a decade of Dem nominations, that’s no longer the case.
The federal judiciary is much more conservative, and that’s not likely to change in the medium term, as the Senate has a strong and increasing structural GOP advantage, and so does the electoral college. Here’s Simon Bazelon:
“…pessimism about the outlook here is not driven by any particular pessimism about Democrats’ share of the national popular vote.
Instead, the issue is that the growing polarization of the electorate around educational attainment and the urban/rural divide has generated a Senate that is incredibly biased against the Democratic party.
Meanwhile, the Electoral College is more biased than ever.
If Joe Biden receives 51% of the vote in 2024 (again, this is the long-run average for Democratic presidential candidates), he will likely lose the Electoral College — and with it, the presidency.
“Business as usual” will result in President Trump or President DeSantis, with somewhere between 56 and 62 Senate seats. And this is actually worse than it might seem at first. In recent years, Republican senators who have retired (or announced that they are retiring) have skewed heavily toward those who were willing to occasionally stand up to Trump, like Jeff Flake, Lamar Alexander, Rob Portman, Pat Toomey, and Richard Burr. If Trump returns to office, he will do so with a median Senator who is far more deferent to his wishes than the last time around.”
https://archive.is/E8AqW
So basically the Dems stupidly adopted a “reverse Sailer Strategy” that lets them run up giant wasted-vote victories in California, Illinois and NY while conceding 30+ Senate seats that used to be winnable for them but are now impossible absent the combo of GOP-self destruction + Dem wave year.Replies: @Pixo
The immigration that is America's biggest problem was the one that happened before 1808 and was 100% "Founding Stock" people's fault.
Immigrants ain't the ones who are gonna burn down Memphis tonight because 5 black cops decided to beat a brotha to death. Jes be glad that it's chilly January and not a hot August night.Replies: @Bernard, @AnotherDad, @John Johnson
Too late, but Steve Jobs finally gets the census category which would have let him succeed. How could he have been expected to get anywhere if the government wasn’t even counting him correctly?
-- have reasonable racial categories
-- have ethnic categories for everyone or no oneObvious racial categories:
Caucasian
-- white European
-- south Asian
-- middle eastern
-- central Asian (Turkic)
Native American
-- American Indian
-- Eskimo
-- Foreign Indio
Black
-- ADOS
-- Caribbean
-- African
East Asian
-- fancy
-- jungle
Pacific Islander
Abos (which fortunately we have essentially none)
Mixed
-- mestizo
-- mulatto
-- any other mix people can dial up checking multiple boxes.That breaks up the "Hispanic" nonsense. Most--90%--Americans racially are white, black (inc. mulatto) or mestizo.Then people can put whatever ethnicity they want--American, English, Scots Irish, Irish, German, Italian, ADOS, Jewish, Mexican, Cuban, Chinese, Indian, Filipino, Arab ...~~But the key thing is ... it's just bean counting. And critically, whatever "deals" we offer for say "Native American Indians", nobody can get any "affirmative action" benefit when their ancestors chose to come here. Hard to think of something more politically repulsive than benefits for *not* being a native whose ancestors built the nation.Replies: @kaganovitch, @Twinkie, @Pixo, @Paleo Liberal, @Anonymous Jew, @International Jew, @Colin Wright
I think you can combine “Pacific Islander” with “Jungle Asian”. I’d want to break out African into the major groups: Pygmy, Khoisan, Marathoner and Sprinter.
There is “racism” and then there is “micro-racism.”
In the Woke Brave New World, we will have our racial DNA profiles embedded on our Identity Chips.
But having our X-Y sex chromosomes combination on these chips will be banned.
This is being done for one reason only – so that Jews can plausibly claim a nonwhite (MENA) category. It probably won’t realistically keep the Blacks and Hispanics off their backs, but the Jews probably think it will.
The Spanish in Florida--trivial and cleared out. (BTW, St. Augustine is only the USA's first Euro founded city. The mound builder capital in Illinois--Cahokia would qualify as a "city" in these sort of pre-modern terms.) There were only trivial numbers of Mexicans in California at the time of the war--dwarfed by the native population. Only in Texas was there a significant population/influence left from the Spanish/Mexican period--the Tejanos.
As with anything else, you can get a good sense of things by asking "did it really matter".
The United States would still have been the United States with more or less the same demographics and culture if Spanish settlements had never even existed in its borders. Likewise, the native Indians. Part of our history, but our nation's history would be much the same if no one had been here at all.
This is in contrast with 1619 and the blacks. Blacks did not--even remotely--build America. But their presence had a significant impact on our history, culture, politics. (The better, more pleasant America where they were never brought here is--sadly--not the timeline we live in.)Replies: @Anon
Hehe — you forgot New Mexico.
It is true that blacks did not build America, but they did build the South.
And for this, you must pay.
I believe about 40% of the population of the South was black in 1860, employed in agricultural and household labor (which are not the most productive segments of the labor force), with a few in trades. As for building in particular, blacks in 1900 were only weakly represented in the building trades (for example, accounting for about 4.2% of the carpenters in the country at that time). About 1/4 of the heads of household who listed their occupation as 'laborer' in 1900 were black; about 93% of these (give or take) would have been Southern blacks. If 30% of the laborers lived in the South, you might figure about 80% of the laborers in the South were black. So, one can posit that most of the unskilled labor on construction sites in the South was being supplied by blacks. That's as close as you get to 'building the South'.Replies: @Jack D
all the way past Calcutta
Supreme Court has drawn the line to the west of Quetta.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Bhagat_Singh_Thind
Of course the uber irony is that the “flight from white” is a scam to get goodies from whites.
What we actually see is a massive “flight to white”.
People are literally trekking a thousand miles, hopping fences and wading the Rio Grande–or jumping through bureaucratic and legal hoops–to get their hands on some whiteness.
And the officially “worst thing in the world” is if white people try and make it easy to avoid whiteness, by living in their own communities or attend their own schools or … yes, it’s true … golfing with their buddies … in peace and quiet. Nazis!
And longer term, all they have to do is get a different supreme court.
This isn't theology it is politics. When you have a multi-ethnic society in a democracy you get ethnic contention and ethnic political allocation.
If you want meritocracy, then have a coherent one-peoplish nation. In those places, if you aren't getting something, people ascribe it to being stupid or untalented or lazy and it doesn't generate much politics beyond general social welfare and "safety net" policies.
But the "must have immigration!" bleaters have given us a much more multi-ethnic society and fractious society. So--utterly unsurprisingly--there is more and more political organization working for ethnic political allocation.Replies: @Pixo, @Jack D
“ First, they’ll functionally ignore the ruling where they can get away with it. As they did with prop 209 in California.”
This blackpilling is wrong for two reasons. First, 209 was largely enforced. The black and hispanic share at Berkeley and UCLA immediately plunged and remains far below the pre 209 period and private peer colleges in California.
Now that all California’s GOP judges are aging out, and the UC schools have gone so woke they are not going to use SAT, anything could happen. But for a long period, 209 was a major and highly effective victory against anti-white racism.
Second, to the extent 209 has been undermined lately, it is because it is a state law that must be enforced in state courts. From 1983 to 2011, California had a GOP governor for 24 out of 28 years, so a judiciary that could be expected to follow a clear law. After a decade of Dem nominations, that’s no longer the case.
The federal judiciary is much more conservative, and that’s not likely to change in the medium term, as the Senate has a strong and increasing structural GOP advantage, and so does the electoral college. Here’s Simon Bazelon:
“…pessimism about the outlook here is not driven by any particular pessimism about Democrats’ share of the national popular vote.
Instead, the issue is that the growing polarization of the electorate around educational attainment and the urban/rural divide has generated a Senate that is incredibly biased against the Democratic party.
Meanwhile, the Electoral College is more biased than ever.
If Joe Biden receives 51% of the vote in 2024 (again, this is the long-run average for Democratic presidential candidates), he will likely lose the Electoral College — and with it, the presidency.
“Business as usual” will result in President Trump or President DeSantis, with somewhere between 56 and 62 Senate seats. And this is actually worse than it might seem at first. In recent years, Republican senators who have retired (or announced that they are retiring) have skewed heavily toward those who were willing to occasionally stand up to Trump, like Jeff Flake, Lamar Alexander, Rob Portman, Pat Toomey, and Richard Burr. If Trump returns to office, he will do so with a median Senator who is far more deferent to his wishes than the last time around.”
https://archive.is/E8AqW
So basically the Dems stupidly adopted a “reverse Sailer Strategy” that lets them run up giant wasted-vote victories in California, Illinois and NY while conceding 30+ Senate seats that used to be winnable for them but are now impossible absent the combo of GOP-self destruction + Dem wave year.
Here’s his very plausible 2028 DeSantis Coup scenario. I have been thought-experimenting basically the same things for years, though unlike him I would welcome a First Consul DeSantis if the alternative were President Kamala.
https://outoftheordinary.substack.com/p/preparing-for-the-worst
How timely-- Pixo just brought up the settling of Florida. Which makes those whitish Cubans the brethren of that state's founding stock, like a modern Englishman in today's Massachusetts.A better metaphor would be Rip Van Winkle. This Court won't last forever. And imposing the white-derived Fourteenth Amenment and Bill of Rights on a majority of color is white supremacism by definition.Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
Incorrect. The State of Florida was founded by American descendants of the British, not the Spanish.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_governors_of_Florida
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colonial_governors_of_Florida
We didn't "found" Florida, we bought it like a used car. If you buy a 1977 Oldsmobile from some Spanish guy, does that make you the first owner 'cause you're the first Anglo who drove it?Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @John Johnson, @Colin Wright
For all the talk of how race is merely a social construct and that humanity is all the same, this push for atomization seems to contradict that ethos. Almost as if they don’t believe their own ideology as well.
This blackpilling is wrong for two reasons. First, 209 was largely enforced. The black and hispanic share at Berkeley and UCLA immediately plunged and remains far below the pre 209 period and private peer colleges in California.
Now that all California’s GOP judges are aging out, and the UC schools have gone so woke they are not going to use SAT, anything could happen. But for a long period, 209 was a major and highly effective victory against anti-white racism.
Second, to the extent 209 has been undermined lately, it is because it is a state law that must be enforced in state courts. From 1983 to 2011, California had a GOP governor for 24 out of 28 years, so a judiciary that could be expected to follow a clear law. After a decade of Dem nominations, that’s no longer the case.
The federal judiciary is much more conservative, and that’s not likely to change in the medium term, as the Senate has a strong and increasing structural GOP advantage, and so does the electoral college. Here’s Simon Bazelon:
“…pessimism about the outlook here is not driven by any particular pessimism about Democrats’ share of the national popular vote.
Instead, the issue is that the growing polarization of the electorate around educational attainment and the urban/rural divide has generated a Senate that is incredibly biased against the Democratic party.
Meanwhile, the Electoral College is more biased than ever.
If Joe Biden receives 51% of the vote in 2024 (again, this is the long-run average for Democratic presidential candidates), he will likely lose the Electoral College — and with it, the presidency.
“Business as usual” will result in President Trump or President DeSantis, with somewhere between 56 and 62 Senate seats. And this is actually worse than it might seem at first. In recent years, Republican senators who have retired (or announced that they are retiring) have skewed heavily toward those who were willing to occasionally stand up to Trump, like Jeff Flake, Lamar Alexander, Rob Portman, Pat Toomey, and Richard Burr. If Trump returns to office, he will do so with a median Senator who is far more deferent to his wishes than the last time around.”
https://archive.is/E8AqW
So basically the Dems stupidly adopted a “reverse Sailer Strategy” that lets them run up giant wasted-vote victories in California, Illinois and NY while conceding 30+ Senate seats that used to be winnable for them but are now impossible absent the combo of GOP-self destruction + Dem wave year.Replies: @Pixo
Simon Bazelon is impressive, he appears to be 19 but thinks and writes well. Emily’s son with a Yale professor.
Here’s his very plausible 2028 DeSantis Coup scenario. I have been thought-experimenting basically the same things for years, though unlike him I would welcome a First Consul DeSantis if the alternative were President Kamala.
https://outoftheordinary.substack.com/p/preparing-for-the-worst
Nope.Replies: @Anonymous
Wrong. Whites do not have or want anything to do with Arabs, Persians, Hindus, Khazars, north africans, and whoever else fits into the nebulous “Caucasian” category.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4PwaweUtDw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec7J1yIKVdQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHRt8jL39i0
-- have reasonable racial categories
-- have ethnic categories for everyone or no oneObvious racial categories:
Caucasian
-- white European
-- south Asian
-- middle eastern
-- central Asian (Turkic)
Native American
-- American Indian
-- Eskimo
-- Foreign Indio
Black
-- ADOS
-- Caribbean
-- African
East Asian
-- fancy
-- jungle
Pacific Islander
Abos (which fortunately we have essentially none)
Mixed
-- mestizo
-- mulatto
-- any other mix people can dial up checking multiple boxes.That breaks up the "Hispanic" nonsense. Most--90%--Americans racially are white, black (inc. mulatto) or mestizo.Then people can put whatever ethnicity they want--American, English, Scots Irish, Irish, German, Italian, ADOS, Jewish, Mexican, Cuban, Chinese, Indian, Filipino, Arab ...~~But the key thing is ... it's just bean counting. And critically, whatever "deals" we offer for say "Native American Indians", nobody can get any "affirmative action" benefit when their ancestors chose to come here. Hard to think of something more politically repulsive than benefits for *not* being a native whose ancestors built the nation.Replies: @kaganovitch, @Twinkie, @Pixo, @Paleo Liberal, @Anonymous Jew, @International Jew, @Colin Wright
But where — say — do Greeks go? They really are almost indistinguishable from Turks — if anything, Turks are tad ‘whiter.’
Yet you would have the Turks as Central Asian (Turkic) while I’m sure the Greeks would be quite insistent that they were ‘European.’
Chile? Chileans like to think of themselves as ‘white’ — but anyone who goes there can see quite a bit of American Indian got into the mix.
Spaniards from Southern Spain? Are they more like Swedes or more like Moroccans?
https://twitter.com/nrken19/status/1518919451328061442?t=_qO6pnfRWB35ECZBqmfCTw&s=19
Spaniards are actually genetically closer to Scandinavians than to Moroccans, due to the latter's Sub Saharan ancestry.Replies: @Anonymous, @Cutler
You don’t inherit racial guilt or entitlement. All affirmative action is evil. The fact that having it for ADOS is maybe less bad than Hispanics is irrelevant.
It also is an evil theory that’s evil in practice. It has never worked as promised, and never will work.Replies: @Joe Magarac, @Colin Wright, @Achmed E. Newman
…You don’t inherit racial guilt or entitlement…’
Indeed. To argue otherwise is to imply we’re all members of something like the Borg.
What matters — overwhelmingly — is what has happened to me personally. My great great great grandfather may well have been an abused serf in East Prussia. What’s far more upsetting to me is if someone stole my car this morning.
I intend to check every single box on the next census.Replies: @Supply and Demand
why do white people continue to feel the need to not participate in the orderly civilization that their forefathers (actually Foundational Black Americans, but that’s another post for another time) supposedly built?
Speaking of “flight from white”… yet another fake Indian squaw exposed:
Haaaaaa
https://nypost.com/2023/01/25/native-american-author-erika-wurth-accused-as-fake-indian/
Rather, I think it shows your analytical capabilities are far over-stretched when applied to this problem. Might I suggest sticking to Steve’s sportsball posts instead?
And longer term, all they have to do is get a different supreme court.
This isn't theology it is politics. When you have a multi-ethnic society in a democracy you get ethnic contention and ethnic political allocation.
If you want meritocracy, then have a coherent one-peoplish nation. In those places, if you aren't getting something, people ascribe it to being stupid or untalented or lazy and it doesn't generate much politics beyond general social welfare and "safety net" policies.
But the "must have immigration!" bleaters have given us a much more multi-ethnic society and fractious society. So--utterly unsurprisingly--there is more and more political organization working for ethnic political allocation.Replies: @Pixo, @Jack D
You love to make everything about immigration but AA is primarily a black thang. It was created entirely for blacks and then after a while other “minorities” wanted to get in on the racket (but the Asian’s can’t and the Latinos aren’t that worked up about going to college).
The immigration that is America’s biggest problem was the one that happened before 1808 and was 100% “Founding Stock” people’s fault.
Immigrants ain’t the ones who are gonna burn down Memphis tonight because 5 black cops decided to beat a brotha to death. Jes be glad that it’s chilly January and not a hot August night.
When AA is codified into law, the downstream effect is to make all positions, particularly those in leadership, subject to calls of racism when there is any deviation from census numbers. Affirmative Action moves beyond its stated objective as an adjustment for previous inequities, to an ongoing system of measurement and redress for present disparities.
You're on an HBD blog ... figure it out.And as a "black thang"--slots for blacks--annoying but fairly manageable. Saying "we got Joe and he's kinda slow, but we got to drag him along tonight"--annoying but doable. (Especially when you're still willing to toss Joe's little brother Dishitavious in jail when he acts like an a*hole.)
What has been absolutely toxic has been this imposition of this ideology of minoritarianism--yes, by your people, the Jews--where everyone who is non-normative comes in with their whine and is entitled to elbow all that is normal and traditional and functional and cohesive aside because they are a sainted "minority". Then literally everything that happens, everything that needs doing is subject to both tedious "diversity" bean counting and tedious political abuse/manipulation/control. Minoritarian Maoism, what we are seeing today.
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And yeah, 1619--mistakes were made. Should have never been brought here. Nothing but trouble. But then the same is true for 1880 and allowing in these eastern Ashkenazi, to bitch and whine and bitch and whine about--and deconstruct!--the nation that took them in after their neighbors got sick of them. Talk about ingratitude.
Alas I live in this timeline where both mistakes were made.Replies: @Twinkie, @Jack D
But where — say — do Greeks go? They really are almost indistinguishable from Turks — if anything, Turks are tad ‘whiter.’
Yet you would have the Turks as Central Asian (Turkic) while I’m sure the Greeks would be quite insistent that they were ‘European.’
It’s the “browning effect of Islam” in action. With a few exceptions such as the Bosnians, we do not consider Muslim people to be white regardless of physical appearance, similar to the way we treat Hispanics.
Right. All true Caucasians hate people from the Caucasus. Makes perfect sense.
That list is perfectly correct as long as you ignore the first 300 years of the history of European people in Florida:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colonial_governors_of_Florida
We didn’t “found” Florida, we bought it like a used car. If you buy a 1977 Oldsmobile from some Spanish guy, does that make you the first owner ’cause you’re the first Anglo who drove it?
You could as reasonably argue that Alaska is 'really' Russian.
By the way- there must be some Joo behind this …
https://www.unz.com/ghood/was-the-fight-for-irish-independence-pointless/
Was the Fight for Irish Independence Pointless?
Some Cellar (from Hart-Cellar), Barbara Lerner Spectre, Barbara Roche (why they’re always Barbies?), ….
OT but compelling … the police bodycam footage when door opened onto Paul Pelosi and hammer guy DePape is out … pretty weird scene, Pelosi with a cocktail in his hand … don’t see the actual hammer blow but four-letter language
Depends.
This guy, Israeli Arab/Palestinian Christian, at 1:18, doesn’t look generically white in the European sense. On the other hand- he looks like, I’d say- Jesus…
Do you really believe that Biden is in charge of The Agenda?
He reminds me of the elderly men in the locked ward of a geriatric care facility that I worked at in 1970 Minneapolis. Wearing suits, wandering in the hall, trying to go to work.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colonial_governors_of_Florida
We didn't "found" Florida, we bought it like a used car. If you buy a 1977 Oldsmobile from some Spanish guy, does that make you the first owner 'cause you're the first Anglo who drove it?Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @John Johnson, @Colin Wright
Of course it is perfectly correct. Pay attention: Reg wrote …
… referring to the State of Florida. The Spanish to whom you are referring bailed from a (twice) failed colony, quite incongruous with his mistaken analogy to the English founding stock of Massachusetts.
I agree, the Jews (sorry, AP) did not found Florida.
Really? The Florida Capitol buildings, Flagler’s railroad, the Miami courthouse, countless skyscrapers, bridges, etc. already existed? I guess it’s like how (back in the day) America stole the parts of Mexico with all the nice infrastructure!
After the family immigrated to the United States in the early 1820s, Moses Levy bought 50,000 acres (200 km2) of land near present-day Jacksonville, Florida Territory. He wanted to establish a "New Jerusalem" for Jewish settlers…
During his twenties, Levy served in the territorial militia, including during the Second Seminole War. In 1834 he was present at a conference with Seminole chiefs, including Osceola.
In 1836 he was elected to the Florida Territory's Legislative Council, serving from 1837 to 1839. He was a delegate to the territory's constitutional convention in 1838 and served as the legislature's clerk in 1841.
In 1851 Yulee founded a 5,000-acre (20 km2) sugar cane plantation, built and maintained by enslaved African Americans, along the Homosassa River….
Issuing public stock, Yulee chartered the Florida Railroad in 1853. He planned its eastern and western terminals at deep-water ports, Fernandina (Port of Fernandina) on Amelia Island on the Atlantic side, and Cedar Key on the Gulf of Mexico, to provide for connection to ocean-going shipping. His company began construction in 1855. On March 1, 1861, the first train arrived from the east in Cedar Key, just weeks before the beginning of the Civil War.
Once seated in the House, Levy worked to gain statehood for the territory and to protect the expansion of slavery in other newly admitted states.
In 1845, after Florida was admitted as a state, the legislature elected Levy as a Democrat to the United States Senate, the first Jew in the United States to win a seat in the Senate.
After receiving a pardon and being released from confinement, Yulee returned to Florida and rebuilt the Yulee Railroad, which had been destroyed by warfare. He served as president of the Florida Railroad Company from 1853 to 1866, as well as president of the Peninsular Railroad, Tropical Florida Railway, and Fernandina and Jacksonville Railroad companies. His development of the railroads in Florida was his most important achievement and contribution to the state. He was called the "Father of Florida Railroads". His leadership helped bring increased economic development to the state, including the late nineteenth-century tourist trade. In 1870 Yulee hosted President Ulysses S. Grant in Fernandina.Replies: @John Johnson, @Jenner Ickham Errican
Hispanics is not a "racial" term, as we all know.Replies: @Thea, @Cutler
Technically, Hispanic is considered an ethnic, not racial, group by the US government. All humans ( of any race) are divided into only two possible ethnic groups:
Hispanic and non-Hispanic.
Talk about lumpers and splitters.
The immigration that is America's biggest problem was the one that happened before 1808 and was 100% "Founding Stock" people's fault.
Immigrants ain't the ones who are gonna burn down Memphis tonight because 5 black cops decided to beat a brotha to death. Jes be glad that it's chilly January and not a hot August night.Replies: @Bernard, @AnotherDad, @John Johnson
You’re defining AA very narrowly; the government allowing, and even encouraging employers to hire less qualified applicants, in order to fill a quota. This is entirely appropriate when discussing the Supreme Court decision. However, I think it misses the larger point that AD is making.
When AA is codified into law, the downstream effect is to make all positions, particularly those in leadership, subject to calls of racism when there is any deviation from census numbers. Affirmative Action moves beyond its stated objective as an adjustment for previous inequities, to an ongoing system of measurement and redress for present disparities.
The general rule is that equal protection requires that governments are not permitted to distribute benefits or impose burdens based on race, unless those classifications meet an impossibly high bar known as “strict scrutiny”. It's beyond obvious that if Mississippi created a college admission preference for white people, the Court (any court) would toss this quicker than you could say KKK.
Somehow in Grutter (and in Bakke), the Ct. invented a heretofore unknown exception to the Constitution called "diversity". This was just a thin veneer for a log rolling compromise ruling by an ideologically divided court which somehow talked O'Connor into granting a 25 year exception to the Constitution because as a practical matter, unless you gave blacks a mulligan they weren't going to make it to college. There are no other Constitutional rights that get 25 year timeouts. This was the Constitutional equivalent of "I'll quit drinking - tomorrow."
So time's up. Grutter is going to sleep with the fishes, pretty soon. This is not really going to fundamentally change liberal ideology but they are going to have to work harder to get around the Constitution.Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @AnotherDad, @Twinkie, @Art Deco, @Giant Duck
But it’s not just about college admissions. All the government subsidies, such as SBA loans and preferential contracting for women and minorities ought to be demolished.
First of all, don’t be moronic – I’m not Chinese. And second, if you want to fellow-white this, have at it.
https://twitter.com/Klaus_Arminius/status/1607438096446156801?t=DLCv1aejmBdPLcX0DGwj3A&s=19Replies: @Anonymous, @AndrewR
I’m getting a genetic test in the hopes of finding some trace of a favored category. Because I’m a law abiding citizen, if challenged, I can use it as evidence of my integrity. With any luck, I will find an ancestor from centuries back, freeing me from my toxic whiteness and opening the door to the spoils that I am rightly due.
It’s not just online race realist types, but normie white Americans typically don’t see MENA and south Asian types as “white” either.
There are MENA types who are European in appearance and can go unnoticed, but I’ve found ordinary white Americans tend to regard the typical MENA phenotype person as being non-white. I’ve also found that white Americans who didn’t know a European appearing MENA person was of MENA descent will suddenly regard that person as being exotic and non-white once they do find out.
This probably has to do with white American ancestry being predominantly from the British Isles and Germany.
Not that the average person is very good at thinking about this sort of thing anyway, but Americans' minds seem to have been totally broken by the ridiculous Latino category.
Ultimately, most will believe whatever the establishment tells them to. Just think back to noted White Hispanic George Zimmerman.
Can Sicilians claim to be North African?
Hold on a second, you are aware that white people are the byproducts of an ancient melting pot that included non-white looking people, right?
No way. Tell me you didn't just go full retard, Twinkie. You never go full retard.Replies: @Twinkie
Yes, I’m fully aware that there were four major genetic infusions (or two major plus two minor) to form today’s “whites”: European Hunter-Gatherers, Anatolian Farmers, Steppe Pastoralists, and later Siberians (into Baltic and Russian populations). All major “races” are hybrids (e.g. East Asians are some combo of Eastern Eurasian Hunter-Gatherers and Southeast Asian Rice Farmers).
But South Asian hybridization was distinct from the European and that’s why they are different both genetically and phenotypically (even setting aside culturally) despite sharing some ancestral populations.
https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0c31a4533471bb2458e073e193ca0431-pjlq
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colonial_governors_of_Florida
We didn't "found" Florida, we bought it like a used car. If you buy a 1977 Oldsmobile from some Spanish guy, does that make you the first owner 'cause you're the first Anglo who drove it?Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @John Johnson, @Colin Wright
You guys are both wrong.
The inventor of air conditioning is the founder of Florida.
Most of the property was actually considered worthless until AC was commercially available.
Criminals would flee to the swamps of Florida and it was pretty much impossible to find them.
https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2021/11/29/PFTM/c44164f4-2187-43d5-8434-08c5c664bd1b-GettyImages-181148564.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dc/The_Royal_Poinciana%2C_Palm_Beach%2C_Florida%2C_1900.jpgReplies: @John Johnson
I realize the covid fatigue is strong – but Project Veritas just released a great video of the homosexual negro employee of Pfizer, Jordon Trishton Walker (aka HA), having a complete meltdown after he realized he was talking to a fake date about his employer deliberately mutating the covid virus. Reason being so the former could receive some heynal secks, and the latter could sell more injections.
https://vidmax.com/video/217520-project-veritas-confronts-pfizer-director-who-spilled-the-beans-about-their-gain-of-function-program-things-go-off-the-rails
Fully expect Sailer to lose this comment but one must try.
Yet you would have the Turks as Central Asian (Turkic) while I'm sure the Greeks would be quite insistent that they were 'European.'
Chile? Chileans like to think of themselves as 'white' -- but anyone who goes there can see quite a bit of American Indian got into the mix.
Spaniards from Southern Spain? Are they more like Swedes or more like Moroccans?Replies: @Dream, @Twinkie, @Odyssey
Greeks are genetically closer to French than to Turks.
Spaniards are actually genetically closer to Scandinavians than to Moroccans, due to the latter’s Sub Saharan ancestry.
The immigration that is America's biggest problem was the one that happened before 1808 and was 100% "Founding Stock" people's fault.
Immigrants ain't the ones who are gonna burn down Memphis tonight because 5 black cops decided to beat a brotha to death. Jes be glad that it's chilly January and not a hot August night.Replies: @Bernard, @AnotherDad, @John Johnson
Correctly. Immigration is the essential salient issue that is determining the arc of America’s future–ergo the sort of future my kids, my “posterity” inherit.
You’re on an HBD blog … figure it out.
And as a “black thang”–slots for blacks–annoying but fairly manageable. Saying “we got Joe and he’s kinda slow, but we got to drag him along tonight”–annoying but doable. (Especially when you’re still willing to toss Joe’s little brother Dishitavious in jail when he acts like an a*hole.)
What has been absolutely toxic has been this imposition of this ideology of minoritarianism–yes, by your people, the Jews–where everyone who is non-normative comes in with their whine and is entitled to elbow all that is normal and traditional and functional and cohesive aside because they are a sainted “minority”. Then literally everything that happens, everything that needs doing is subject to both tedious “diversity” bean counting and tedious political abuse/manipulation/control. Minoritarian Maoism, what we are seeing today.
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And yeah, 1619–mistakes were made. Should have never been brought here. Nothing but trouble. But then the same is true for 1880 and allowing in these eastern Ashkenazi, to bitch and whine and bitch and whine about–and deconstruct!–the nation that took them in after their neighbors got sick of them. Talk about ingratitude.
Alas I live in this timeline where both mistakes were made.
Mass-immigration is the mechanism with which to achieve the subversion of the majority and its culture, so it must be halted, but the fundamental issue is the prevailing ideology of what you call minoritarianism, which exalts all that are deviant from the traditional norm and devalue, indeed actively deface, the latter. And, yes, Jewish elites have been the vanguards of this ideology, probably because they fear and loathe a robust Christian majority and feel safer in a Balkanized nation even though this country has been the most welcoming to Jews than just about all others in human history.
I think the country can have minorities - so long as it’s not a large fraction - provided there is no powerful minoritarian ideology that is regnant. If a few black, Hispanic, and Asian kids grow up going to church, playing cowboys and Indians, reading “A Little House on the Prairie,” and revering the Founding Fathers and the Anglo-American institutions and culture they bequeathed, whatever problems we have would be quite minor to what we have today.
New arrivals ought to feel gratitude toward the country and its existing citizens and quickly seek to have themselves and, especially, their children adopt the ways of the native population and contribute to the country. Otherwise, it’s an invasion, period. And any native who assists this invasion is a traitor to his land and people.
I have and I have concluded that immigration is not the same thing as low IQ immigration. Some immigrant (groups) are low IQ and some are high so immigration itself doesn't have IQ implications. When white people started to migrate to America, IQ went UP.
The rest of your rant is basically the old "Jews are Bolshies who undermine white civilization" - the sort of crap that the right wing junta in Argentina espoused. Even in an HBD blog, I don't think that it is proven that Left wing sympathies are genetic. The people of China and Singapore are genetically similar but their politics are different and the average Israeli (but not all of them) seems to be to the right of the average American Jew. British Jews seem to lean Conservative. So Jews are not genetic Bolsheviks.
You obviously think differently but I think that the positive contributions of Ashkenazi Jews to American society outweigh the negatives and that the same is not true for blacks, especially not in the most g loaded occupations. If you look at the ratio of Nobel Prizes in science award to Jews vs. blacks, (1/4 of all Nobels to Jews, zero to blacks) the numbers are stunning.
You could mumble that without Jews the same stuff would have been invented anyway but I'm not so sure. Without Jews, would the atom bomb have been ready by August, 1945, in time to save hundreds of thousands of GIs from dying in an invasion of Japan? OTOH, if white people had picked their own cotton, I don't think that the bomb would have been ready one single day later than it actually was.Replies: @Corvinus
The general rule is that equal protection requires that governments are not permitted to distribute benefits or impose burdens based on race, unless those classifications meet an impossibly high bar known as “strict scrutiny”. It's beyond obvious that if Mississippi created a college admission preference for white people, the Court (any court) would toss this quicker than you could say KKK.
Somehow in Grutter (and in Bakke), the Ct. invented a heretofore unknown exception to the Constitution called "diversity". This was just a thin veneer for a log rolling compromise ruling by an ideologically divided court which somehow talked O'Connor into granting a 25 year exception to the Constitution because as a practical matter, unless you gave blacks a mulligan they weren't going to make it to college. There are no other Constitutional rights that get 25 year timeouts. This was the Constitutional equivalent of "I'll quit drinking - tomorrow."
So time's up. Grutter is going to sleep with the fishes, pretty soon. This is not really going to fundamentally change liberal ideology but they are going to have to work harder to get around the Constitution.Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @AnotherDad, @Twinkie, @Art Deco, @Giant Duck
It will be met with try-every door noncompliance at state institutions unless Republican state legislators do things they’ve never done before. That would be to provide for in law small boards elected by alumni registered to vote in the state, elected by the legislature, or appointed by the governor with the consent of the legislature; personal liability for officials defying the law, enforced by the state attorney-general and private plaintiffs; transfer of admissions decisions to a central office making use of a mechanistic procedure based on metrics prescribed by law; an end (by statute) to the practice of appointing quondam professors to institutional presidencies; mandatory retirement for institutional employees (including faculty); limiting tenure to faculty over the age of 55; and vesting decisions on faculty tenure, promotion, and contract renewal in the trustees (effectively, not pro forma). Another thing that might improve institutional cultures is for the legislature to enact a glossary of permissible degree programs, putting an end to victimology programs (among other abuses). Bloc closures of teacher training programs and social work programs would also be helpful. Providing for the superintendent of the state police to place campus security forces under his command at his discretion could also help. Having most employees of the system selected by civil service examinations might help. You have to take away their discretion to rig the system and injure them if they try.
Wrong. These were built before air conditioning:
The immigration that is America's biggest problem was the one that happened before 1808 and was 100% "Founding Stock" people's fault.
Immigrants ain't the ones who are gonna burn down Memphis tonight because 5 black cops decided to beat a brotha to death. Jes be glad that it's chilly January and not a hot August night.Replies: @Bernard, @AnotherDad, @John Johnson
You love to make everything about immigration but AA is primarily a black thang. It was created entirely for blacks and then after a while other “minorities” wanted to get in on the racket (but the Asian’s can’t and the Latinos aren’t that worked up about going to college).
It really depends on the specific form.
Yes the original idea was for Blacks but a lot of the actual legislation allowed White women and other minorities to take advantage of it. At the Federal level it was mostly written to include women and minorities and didn’t exclude Asians.
It was poorly written legislation and didn’t consider cases where Hispanic owned businesses hire 100% Hispanics and are compliant.
It’s at the college level where Asians don’t benefit.
A lot of the affirmative action at the corporate level is unwritten. Corporate America has simply adopted the practice. In fact White managers and executives will use AA to keep out any climbers. It’s a liberal myth that White men work together at the corporate level. The corporate world is in fact filled with mediocre White men that slimed their way in and want to keep out anyone that might shake the whole tree. They’d rather put in a predictable AA hire that will never outshine them and they also get to collect diversity points. It’s a win/win. Dilbert had a lot of comics about the boss purposely hiring awful people to make him look better. It really isn’t far from reality.
I was basically a specialist and didn’t have to play the corporate game. I wasn’t a threat to anyone and not all interested in management.
https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2021/11/29/PFTM/c44164f4-2187-43d5-8434-08c5c664bd1b-GettyImages-181148564.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dc/The_Royal_Poinciana%2C_Palm_Beach%2C_Florida%2C_1900.jpgReplies: @John Johnson
Wrong. These were built before air conditioning:
Well I thought it was obviously a tongue in cheek statement. I guess not.
Yes I am aware that Florida was not founded in the 20th century.
But most of the land was in fact worthless before AC. Development was mostly along the coasts.
Except worshipping Gods of those people.
Off topic: the Nipsey Hussle Celestial Allstars just got a new member:
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1726656/Aspiring-rapper-Fernando-Johnson-Fdot-killed
“Can ya hear da guns, Fernando?”Replies: @jimmyriddle
“Aspiring rapper” – amazing how the MSM can still use that phrase with a straight face.
“Rosebank Way in Acton” – I drive down that street pretty often. Just off the A40. Not even in the really ghettoey part of Acton.
And the "founding stockers" get to collect checks from all the whiny, pesky "foreign stockers" who came later to cash in on what the founding stockers had built.
(I'm only about 1/4 founding stock, but that should be good enough. AnotherMom will have to send me a check. Which wouldn't do me any good financially but would be kinda fun.)Replies: @Barnard, @Pop Warner, @Corvinus, @Twinkie, @Giant Duck
“I’m only about 1/4 founding stock, but that should be good enough“
Absolutely not. Must be traced on both sides. 50 percent minimum. You might as well say you are an Ellis Islander.
You have to go back.
Yet you would have the Turks as Central Asian (Turkic) while I'm sure the Greeks would be quite insistent that they were 'European.'
Chile? Chileans like to think of themselves as 'white' -- but anyone who goes there can see quite a bit of American Indian got into the mix.
Spaniards from Southern Spain? Are they more like Swedes or more like Moroccans?Replies: @Dream, @Twinkie, @Odyssey
Many, probably most, modern day “Turks” are simply descendants of Greeks who submitted to their Islamic conquerors and converted. The Turkish population in general is East Asian-shifted genetically, but not hugely so. Somewhat akin to Hungarians who are supposed yo be Magyar-descended, but in reality are mostly descended from the conquered locals and only slightly Asian-shifted genetically. Same thing with Finns and other Finnic populations in the Baltics and Russia.
The Turkic populations of Central Asia are not all that close to the Turks of Europe and Anatolia, who are largely Greek. People such as Uzbeks and Turkmen are much more East Asian genetically, but also have substantial Iranic and Tajik-like ancestries, missing among Turks.
You also mis-spoke about the Hungarian conquerors. They were not some "East Asian-shifted" group, they were genetically similar to ~75% European groups like Bashkirs.https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982222007321The Bashkir people of Russia are only 20% East Asian.Replies: @Twinkie, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @Odyssey
Indeed. As I understand it, Islam as adopted by the Seljuk Turks meant that raiding parties had to bypass Muslim communities -- but could have themselves a ball if the village was Christian.
The incentive to stick up some minarets becomes obvious...and as other cases (Jews in Portugal, Christians in Japan) demonstrate, conversion, however nominal it may be at first, becomes increasingly substantial with every passing generation.
but to add to the fun...
The Crimean Tatars are estimated to have captured and enslaved as many as two million Eastern Europeans in the Sixteenth-Seventeenth Centuries.
...most of those would have wound up in Anatolia. And the Ottomans themselves were big people-movers. Any group whose loyalty they weren't sure of got sent off to the opposite end of the empire. I would guess that the Armenians were the last example of that -- but they certainly hadn't been the first. For example, after taking Constantinople in 1453, the Ottomans promptly expelled the entire population and refilled it with people drawn from as far away as practicable.
...all of which is to say that certainly as far as Western Anatolia and the Aegean basin go, being 'Greek' or 'Turk' is more a matter of religious identity than genetics.
And the "founding stockers" get to collect checks from all the whiny, pesky "foreign stockers" who came later to cash in on what the founding stockers had built.
(I'm only about 1/4 founding stock, but that should be good enough. AnotherMom will have to send me a check. Which wouldn't do me any good financially but would be kinda fun.)Replies: @Barnard, @Pop Warner, @Corvinus, @Twinkie, @Giant Duck
My wife has impeccable founding ancestral stock on her father’s side (an ancestor was a Continental Army officer) while her mother’s side is mixed founding stock and later German immigrants. Let’s say 75% (although some might argue the Germans were founding stock whence she hails in the Midwest). That makes my kids at least 37.5% founding stock.
So both of you send my kids a cheque.
https://agmip.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Southern.India_.REGION.image_.landing.page_-1-1024x698.pngReplies: @Dream
I can’t believe White American conservatives are crying about “flight from white” about MENA people having a separate racial/ethnic category.
Also, pretty ridiculous to compare MENA immigrants to the US (mostly quite successful, disproportionately Christian) to MENA immigrants to Europe (the lowest classes in their countries, disproportionately aggressive, criminal and extremist).Replies: @Dream
I hope you realize Florida has a rather extensive coastline. Is Australia worthless, economically, because development is mostly along the coasts?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_populous_cities_in_Florida_by_decadeIt was a very low population agricultural state before AC was widely available.Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
One could argue that keeping self-reported data of this nature on the populace is at best prone to error and at worst divisive.
Americans would be better off if the census just counted how many people live in each zip code and their ages then called it a day.
You can check multiple boxes so what does it matter if someone is 1/32 Native American,1/4 Irish, 1/2 Polish and so on. Even if accurate, how is this granularity useful?
You're on an HBD blog ... figure it out.And as a "black thang"--slots for blacks--annoying but fairly manageable. Saying "we got Joe and he's kinda slow, but we got to drag him along tonight"--annoying but doable. (Especially when you're still willing to toss Joe's little brother Dishitavious in jail when he acts like an a*hole.)
What has been absolutely toxic has been this imposition of this ideology of minoritarianism--yes, by your people, the Jews--where everyone who is non-normative comes in with their whine and is entitled to elbow all that is normal and traditional and functional and cohesive aside because they are a sainted "minority". Then literally everything that happens, everything that needs doing is subject to both tedious "diversity" bean counting and tedious political abuse/manipulation/control. Minoritarian Maoism, what we are seeing today.
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And yeah, 1619--mistakes were made. Should have never been brought here. Nothing but trouble. But then the same is true for 1880 and allowing in these eastern Ashkenazi, to bitch and whine and bitch and whine about--and deconstruct!--the nation that took them in after their neighbors got sick of them. Talk about ingratitude.
Alas I live in this timeline where both mistakes were made.Replies: @Twinkie, @Jack D
THIS.
Mass-immigration is the mechanism with which to achieve the subversion of the majority and its culture, so it must be halted, but the fundamental issue is the prevailing ideology of what you call minoritarianism, which exalts all that are deviant from the traditional norm and devalue, indeed actively deface, the latter. And, yes, Jewish elites have been the vanguards of this ideology, probably because they fear and loathe a robust Christian majority and feel safer in a Balkanized nation even though this country has been the most welcoming to Jews than just about all others in human history.
I think the country can have minorities – so long as it’s not a large fraction – provided there is no powerful minoritarian ideology that is regnant. If a few black, Hispanic, and Asian kids grow up going to church, playing cowboys and Indians, reading “A Little House on the Prairie,” and revering the Founding Fathers and the Anglo-American institutions and culture they bequeathed, whatever problems we have would be quite minor to what we have today.
New arrivals ought to feel gratitude toward the country and its existing citizens and quickly seek to have themselves and, especially, their children adopt the ways of the native population and contribute to the country. Otherwise, it’s an invasion, period. And any native who assists this invasion is a traitor to his land and people.
Ukrainians are the new George Floyd so it’d make more sense for the Ashkenazim— the Thirteenth Tribe— to embrace their real roots from an area north of the Black Sea now known as Ukraine.
Interesting that Middle Easterners escaping the white category is described as a “major achievement.” They moved to our country and commenced bitching about their generous hosts. Is undignified ingratitude now a “ major achievement?”
Anyway, cut to the chase. Have two categories: White and Not White. Whites can be discriminated against; non whites benefit from discrimination. We all know that’s what they want anyway. Ibram X Kendi told me so.
The majority disagrees with you.
He was elected for a reason.
OT:
If anyone is looking for profoundly depressing reading material, try the Daily Mail’s coverage of the midwife who strangled her three young children in a postpartum delirium when her husband ran out to pick up some dinner. If that’s not enough to ruin your weekend, the paper also has all of the latest developments in the Alex Murdaugh case. And don’t forget the usual fluff (such as the 26-year-old woman who made a murder-suicide pact with her parents).
Ugh.
Let’s assume that to be true. What next? Civil war? Would you fight in it? How do you propose picking up the pieces? What solutions do you offer? How would you rebuild the nation?
All you’re doing here is talking flippantly.
Syria collapsed, and people either emigrated, joined militias, joined the army, or stayed put in their bombed-out apartments. Same for the Soviet Union, Rome, Byzantium, Rwanda, Yugoslavia. It has never been otherwise.Replies: @Corvinus
“ I agree, the Jews (sorry, AP) did not found Florida.”
After the family immigrated to the United States in the early 1820s, Moses Levy bought 50,000 acres (200 km2) of land near present-day Jacksonville, Florida Territory. He wanted to establish a “New Jerusalem” for Jewish settlers…
During his twenties, Levy served in the territorial militia, including during the Second Seminole War. In 1834 he was present at a conference with Seminole chiefs, including Osceola.
In 1836 he was elected to the Florida Territory’s Legislative Council, serving from 1837 to 1839. He was a delegate to the territory’s constitutional convention in 1838 and served as the legislature’s clerk in 1841.
In 1851 Yulee founded a 5,000-acre (20 km2) sugar cane plantation, built and maintained by enslaved African Americans, along the Homosassa River….
Issuing public stock, Yulee chartered the Florida Railroad in 1853. He planned its eastern and western terminals at deep-water ports, Fernandina (Port of Fernandina) on Amelia Island on the Atlantic side, and Cedar Key on the Gulf of Mexico, to provide for connection to ocean-going shipping. His company began construction in 1855. On March 1, 1861, the first train arrived from the east in Cedar Key, just weeks before the beginning of the Civil War.
Once seated in the House, Levy worked to gain statehood for the territory and to protect the expansion of slavery in other newly admitted states.
In 1845, after Florida was admitted as a state, the legislature elected Levy as a Democrat to the United States Senate, the first Jew in the United States to win a seat in the Senate.
After receiving a pardon and being released from confinement, Yulee returned to Florida and rebuilt the Yulee Railroad, which had been destroyed by warfare. He served as president of the Florida Railroad Company from 1853 to 1866, as well as president of the Peninsular Railroad, Tropical Florida Railway, and Fernandina and Jacksonville Railroad companies. His development of the railroads in Florida was his most important achievement and contribution to the state. He was called the “Father of Florida Railroads”. His leadership helped bring increased economic development to the state, including the late nineteenth-century tourist trade. In 1870 Yulee hosted President Ulysses S. Grant in Fernandina.
Andrew Jackson had more to do with it becoming a state if that is what you mean by founded.
It is true that blacks did not build America, but they did build the South.
And for this, you must pay.Replies: @AceDeuce, @Art Deco
GTFO.
OT- TV war existential-historical metaphysics:
How about simplifying it down to two:
#1 WHITE
#2 The lesser races.
#1 WHITE
#2 The lesser races.Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
Define “white”.
#2 Awaiting deportation.
Do they want to encourage white identity politics (WIP)? They must.
The PTB must believe that WIP benefits the government. Maybe they just expect to continue to be able to label the non-Leftist groups that oppose them as WIP supporters (whether they are or not; those groups were easily infiltrated, led by feds, and entrapped (Whitmer kidnapping and January 6)). Hence the government has a boogie man that they can manage and control, unlike, jihadists, or Antifa backed by rich Democrats.
Of course, we know our government has exhibited superb skills in managing conflicts. Just witness the recent resounding and indisputable victories in Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, and, RSN, the upcoming destruction of Russia. Policy objective: no military and industrial complex member left behind. Policy outcome: Success! Alfred E. Neuman would be proud!
You sure? Maybe with the upper head, but there is an another head ….
He’s also under the control of various oligarchs, who control him through a combination of bribery sexual blackmail (over his son Hunter).
Begin to explore who these oligarchs are and what they represent, then you will begin to understand who really runs the govt.
One of my favorite movies is “Godfather 2.” In a scene from this film, Senator Pat Geary is caught with a dead hooker in a brothel that’s owned by the Corleone family.
Afterward, Senator Geary becomes a huge friend to the Corleone family, helping them out in any way he can. In the second clip, Geary effusively praises Italians (despite holding private animosity towards their ethnicity). He pours cold water onto the Senate’s investigation of the Italian-American mafia families.
My belief is that the above represents a realistic view into what happens in Washington DC. As an example, I’d provide Jeffrey Epstein.
This is why American politicians behave in such “strange” ways.
Just imagine what the oligarchs are holding over Hunter’s head.
OK, how much does it happen? Give a ball park figure. You know, a percentage. And who exactly is involved? What evidence are you able to offer?Replies: @getaclue
What’s the effect of Kamala being both the first black and the first Asian VP? That she’s late for everything, but feels guilty about it?
I hope you realize Florida has a rather extensive coastline. Is Australia worthless, economically, because development is mostly along the coasts?
Are you just being a tad oversensitive?
I’ve been to Florida. I still like Florida.
But most of it was worthless before AC. As in the per acre price was extremely low and anyone could buy a plot of swampland. That doesn’t mean it lacked beauty or innate value.
Some people in fact got very rich by buying up cheap Florida land.
Orlando and St. Peterburg were small towns in 1920
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_populous_cities_in_Florida_by_decade
It was a very low population agricultural state before AC was widely available.
And the "founding stockers" get to collect checks from all the whiny, pesky "foreign stockers" who came later to cash in on what the founding stockers had built.
(I'm only about 1/4 founding stock, but that should be good enough. AnotherMom will have to send me a check. Which wouldn't do me any good financially but would be kinda fun.)Replies: @Barnard, @Pop Warner, @Corvinus, @Twinkie, @Giant Duck
In the 1920s, the US really did run the census with the goal of determining what percentage of the US population was “founding stock”:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Origins_Formula
After the family immigrated to the United States in the early 1820s, Moses Levy bought 50,000 acres (200 km2) of land near present-day Jacksonville, Florida Territory. He wanted to establish a "New Jerusalem" for Jewish settlers…
During his twenties, Levy served in the territorial militia, including during the Second Seminole War. In 1834 he was present at a conference with Seminole chiefs, including Osceola.
In 1836 he was elected to the Florida Territory's Legislative Council, serving from 1837 to 1839. He was a delegate to the territory's constitutional convention in 1838 and served as the legislature's clerk in 1841.
In 1851 Yulee founded a 5,000-acre (20 km2) sugar cane plantation, built and maintained by enslaved African Americans, along the Homosassa River….
Issuing public stock, Yulee chartered the Florida Railroad in 1853. He planned its eastern and western terminals at deep-water ports, Fernandina (Port of Fernandina) on Amelia Island on the Atlantic side, and Cedar Key on the Gulf of Mexico, to provide for connection to ocean-going shipping. His company began construction in 1855. On March 1, 1861, the first train arrived from the east in Cedar Key, just weeks before the beginning of the Civil War.
Once seated in the House, Levy worked to gain statehood for the territory and to protect the expansion of slavery in other newly admitted states.
In 1845, after Florida was admitted as a state, the legislature elected Levy as a Democrat to the United States Senate, the first Jew in the United States to win a seat in the Senate.
After receiving a pardon and being released from confinement, Yulee returned to Florida and rebuilt the Yulee Railroad, which had been destroyed by warfare. He served as president of the Florida Railroad Company from 1853 to 1866, as well as president of the Peninsular Railroad, Tropical Florida Railway, and Fernandina and Jacksonville Railroad companies. His development of the railroads in Florida was his most important achievement and contribution to the state. He was called the "Father of Florida Railroads". His leadership helped bring increased economic development to the state, including the late nineteenth-century tourist trade. In 1870 Yulee hosted President Ulysses S. Grant in Fernandina.Replies: @John Johnson, @Jenner Ickham Errican
That’s a nice story about a Jewish entrepreneur and statesmen but that doesn’t mean that the Jews founded Florida.
Andrew Jackson had more to do with it becoming a state if that is what you mean by founded.
The general rule is that equal protection requires that governments are not permitted to distribute benefits or impose burdens based on race, unless those classifications meet an impossibly high bar known as “strict scrutiny”. It's beyond obvious that if Mississippi created a college admission preference for white people, the Court (any court) would toss this quicker than you could say KKK.
Somehow in Grutter (and in Bakke), the Ct. invented a heretofore unknown exception to the Constitution called "diversity". This was just a thin veneer for a log rolling compromise ruling by an ideologically divided court which somehow talked O'Connor into granting a 25 year exception to the Constitution because as a practical matter, unless you gave blacks a mulligan they weren't going to make it to college. There are no other Constitutional rights that get 25 year timeouts. This was the Constitutional equivalent of "I'll quit drinking - tomorrow."
So time's up. Grutter is going to sleep with the fishes, pretty soon. This is not really going to fundamentally change liberal ideology but they are going to have to work harder to get around the Constitution.Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @AnotherDad, @Twinkie, @Art Deco, @Giant Duck
Oh, wow. So you now concede that the 25 year limit in Grutter isn’t, as you insisted before, merely “dicta”.
Apology accepted.
https://i.postimg.cc/GpgDNQC6/paul-pelosi-hey-w-hammer-guy.jpg
https://twitter.com/alx/status/1619020641117802504Replies: @John Johnson
It is weird but people react differently in those situations.
Hostages will try to act friendly or even irrationally. He was most likely holding the drink and acting drunk to calm him down.
I don’t see the point of the meme image. His skull gets crushed with a hammer a few seconds later. He was holding the hammer which shows that he knew he was in danger.
The cops were friggin idiots to stand there after the call said he was taken hostage.
SF cops so what can you expect.
You don’t inherit racial guilt or entitlement. All affirmative action is evil. The fact that having it for ADOS is maybe less bad than Hispanics is irrelevant.
It also is an evil theory that’s evil in practice. It has never worked as promised, and never will work.Replies: @Joe Magarac, @Colin Wright, @Achmed E. Newman
Absolutely right, Pixo! I don’t agree with iSteve, Paleo Liberal, or Ann Coulter on this. We all know that AA is WRONG. Some of us would like to continue to try to get along anyway, as the nation fails, rather than stand up for what is right.
No. The genetic contribution from Central Asia to Turks is large, at about 20%, and is also found in neighboring non-Turkic people, which is not at all consistent with Turks simply being “conquered locals”.
Another thing that you don’t understand is that Central Asian (and East Asian) Turks in the middle ages were often majority West Eurasian. The situation today (where Turkic groups in central Asia are 35-90% east Asian) is much more recent.
You also mis-spoke about the Hungarian conquerors. They were not some “East Asian-shifted” group, they were genetically similar to ~75% European groups like Bashkirs.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982222007321
The Bashkir people of Russia are only 20% East Asian.
After the family immigrated to the United States in the early 1820s, Moses Levy bought 50,000 acres (200 km2) of land near present-day Jacksonville, Florida Territory. He wanted to establish a "New Jerusalem" for Jewish settlers…
During his twenties, Levy served in the territorial militia, including during the Second Seminole War. In 1834 he was present at a conference with Seminole chiefs, including Osceola.
In 1836 he was elected to the Florida Territory's Legislative Council, serving from 1837 to 1839. He was a delegate to the territory's constitutional convention in 1838 and served as the legislature's clerk in 1841.
In 1851 Yulee founded a 5,000-acre (20 km2) sugar cane plantation, built and maintained by enslaved African Americans, along the Homosassa River….
Issuing public stock, Yulee chartered the Florida Railroad in 1853. He planned its eastern and western terminals at deep-water ports, Fernandina (Port of Fernandina) on Amelia Island on the Atlantic side, and Cedar Key on the Gulf of Mexico, to provide for connection to ocean-going shipping. His company began construction in 1855. On March 1, 1861, the first train arrived from the east in Cedar Key, just weeks before the beginning of the Civil War.
Once seated in the House, Levy worked to gain statehood for the territory and to protect the expansion of slavery in other newly admitted states.
In 1845, after Florida was admitted as a state, the legislature elected Levy as a Democrat to the United States Senate, the first Jew in the United States to win a seat in the Senate.
After receiving a pardon and being released from confinement, Yulee returned to Florida and rebuilt the Yulee Railroad, which had been destroyed by warfare. He served as president of the Florida Railroad Company from 1853 to 1866, as well as president of the Peninsular Railroad, Tropical Florida Railway, and Fernandina and Jacksonville Railroad companies. His development of the railroads in Florida was his most important achievement and contribution to the state. He was called the "Father of Florida Railroads". His leadership helped bring increased economic development to the state, including the late nineteenth-century tourist trade. In 1870 Yulee hosted President Ulysses S. Grant in Fernandina.Replies: @John Johnson, @Jenner Ickham Errican
See JJ’s reply.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_populous_cities_in_Florida_by_decadeIt was a very low population agricultural state before AC was widely available.Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
My point is that a major civilizational shift happened when Florida was made a state under ‘Anglo’ control and settlement, just like when sparsely populated Western states were created. One counter-example where the non-Anglo founding stock has had continuous prominence (culturally, civically, and in the flesh, including state and civic leadership) is the state of Louisiana.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULcJhIoLte4Afterward, Senator Geary becomes a huge friend to the Corleone family, helping them out in any way he can. In the second clip, Geary effusively praises Italians (despite holding private animosity towards their ethnicity). He pours cold water onto the Senate’s investigation of the Italian-American mafia families.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB-GwYPf4AEMy belief is that the above represents a realistic view into what happens in Washington DC. As an example, I'd provide Jeffrey Epstein. This is why American politicians behave in such "strange" ways.Just imagine what the oligarchs are holding over Hunter's head.Replies: @Corvinus
“My belief is that the above represents a realistic view into what happens in Washington DC. As an example, I’d provide Jeffery Epstein”.
OK, how much does it happen? Give a ball park figure. You know, a percentage. And who exactly is involved? What evidence are you able to offer?
The Finders had children in Tallahassee obviously there was something very wrong - but of course the CIA stepped in - what exactly would they use children for? Any better blackmail you can use? Nothing to see here bc we can't offer the "evidence"?
https://thewashingtonstandard.com/the-finders-cia-ties-to-child-sex-cult-obscured-as-coverage-goes-from-sensationalism-to-silence/
https://www.mintpressnews.com/the-finders-cia-ties-child-sex-cult-obscured-media-coverage/277543/
Anyone reviewing this site and what the "Elites" put out as "Entertainment" would have to be blind not to get there is something very wrong going on - massively - without need to give a "percentage".
https://vigilantcitizen.com/
Of course Bush et al:
https://www.amazon.com/Franklin-Cover-up-Satanism-Murder-Nebraska/dp/0963215809/ref=asc_df_0963215809/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312021428838&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=7235274526260638643&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9010835&hvtargid=pla-569633129959&psc=1®ion_id=972485&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=63669393313&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=312021428838&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=7235274526260638643&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9010835&hvtargid=pla-569633129959Replies: @Corvinus
Was Anatolia Greek or was it only Greek cultural ly and genetically descended from ancient non-Greek populations like Hittite etc etc?
‘Many, probably most, modern day “Turks” are simply descendants of Greeks who submitted to their Islamic conquerors and converted.’
Indeed. As I understand it, Islam as adopted by the Seljuk Turks meant that raiding parties had to bypass Muslim communities — but could have themselves a ball if the village was Christian.
The incentive to stick up some minarets becomes obvious…and as other cases (Jews in Portugal, Christians in Japan) demonstrate, conversion, however nominal it may be at first, becomes increasingly substantial with every passing generation.
but to add to the fun…
The Crimean Tatars are estimated to have captured and enslaved as many as two million Eastern Europeans in the Sixteenth-Seventeenth Centuries.
…most of those would have wound up in Anatolia. And the Ottomans themselves were big people-movers. Any group whose loyalty they weren’t sure of got sent off to the opposite end of the empire. I would guess that the Armenians were the last example of that — but they certainly hadn’t been the first. For example, after taking Constantinople in 1453, the Ottomans promptly expelled the entire population and refilled it with people drawn from as far away as practicable.
…all of which is to say that certainly as far as Western Anatolia and the Aegean basin go, being ‘Greek’ or ‘Turk’ is more a matter of religious identity than genetics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colonial_governors_of_Florida
We didn't "found" Florida, we bought it like a used car. If you buy a 1977 Oldsmobile from some Spanish guy, does that make you the first owner 'cause you're the first Anglo who drove it?Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @John Johnson, @Colin Wright
What if you’re the first person who drove it at all? After all, the Spanish didn’t exactly colonize Florida extensively.
You could as reasonably argue that Alaska is ‘really’ Russian.
You also mis-spoke about the Hungarian conquerors. They were not some "East Asian-shifted" group, they were genetically similar to ~75% European groups like Bashkirs.https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982222007321The Bashkir people of Russia are only 20% East Asian.Replies: @Twinkie, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @Odyssey
1. I don’t consider 20% large. 2. That’s from Central Asia, not East Asia.
It helps to read carefully. I wrote:
Moreover, the level of that East Asian genetic contribution varies by region. In places such as the northern coastal areas, the eastern-shift is minimal as the population is mostly descended from Pontic Greeks and other earlier inhabitants. In central Anatolia, Turkification occurred earlier and more extensively, so the eastern genetic contribution tends to be higher. Even then, it’s not majority by any means, because the Ottomans were already a highly federated and hybridized population when they overran much of the Eastern Roman Empire.
What makes you think I don’t know this? Some Turkic groups in “middle ages” were highly intermixed with Iranic populations and possibly some Slavic groups. This did change quite bit with the rise of the Mongols and displacement by Tungusic-/Mongolic-shifted Turkic groups from the east post-13th century. Mongolian ancestry (especially that of Genghisids) remained prestigious as the Golden Family among Turko-Mongolian tribes for hundreds of years.
Oh, now, 20% is “only”? And do you even understand what “shifted” means in genetics?
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-44272-6
There are MENA types who are European in appearance and can go unnoticed, but I've found ordinary white Americans tend to regard the typical MENA phenotype person as being non-white. I've also found that white Americans who didn't know a European appearing MENA person was of MENA descent will suddenly regard that person as being exotic and non-white once they do find out.
This probably has to do with white American ancestry being predominantly from the British Isles and Germany.Replies: @Anonymous
White Americans also think Xochitl Hinojosa is a person of color.
Not that the average person is very good at thinking about this sort of thing anyway, but Americans’ minds seem to have been totally broken by the ridiculous Latino category.
Ultimately, most will believe whatever the establishment tells them to. Just think back to noted White Hispanic George Zimmerman.
You also mis-spoke about the Hungarian conquerors. They were not some "East Asian-shifted" group, they were genetically similar to ~75% European groups like Bashkirs.https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982222007321The Bashkir people of Russia are only 20% East Asian.Replies: @Twinkie, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @Odyssey
Thanks for paper on Hungarians. Can you give a citation for the Turkish genetics assertion?
Hungary in Chinese is 匈牙利 xīongyálì, the same “Xiong” as 匈奴 xīongnú.
Whereas Turkey is 土耳其 tūěrqí, entirely different than Turkic 突厥 tūjūe. Implying some knowledge about cultural/genetic distance.
Turks were prominent in Tang-Song era and founded some minor dynasties. They were not described as fully Europoid like the Yuezhi, more like Xianbei– majority Mongoloid, partly Europoid
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turks_in_the_Tang_military
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shatuo#Physical_appearance
It’s pretty clear that the original Turkic population emerged from Mongolia and was likely heavily East Asian in genetic composition. But it quickly mingled with the then very widely-spread Iranic populations dominant in Central Asia. So from the beginning, they were a highly hybridized population with varying phenotypes. This effect was compounded as they migrated westward (e.g. the Turks of Anatolia vs. the Turkmen).
Ever since the taming of the horse for transport (it was likely tamed for food much earlier) and the associated semi-nomadic pastoralism, the Eurasian steppes were a highway that facilitated rapid movement and mingling of populations. People living in this mode quickly confederated into large groups as political and military needs dictated, but also collapsed just as rapidly (e.g. the Huns whose elite leadership was possibly East Asian in origin, but quickly came to incorporate Germanic peoples and were eventually brought down by the latter).Replies: @Pixo
Yet you would have the Turks as Central Asian (Turkic) while I'm sure the Greeks would be quite insistent that they were 'European.'
Chile? Chileans like to think of themselves as 'white' -- but anyone who goes there can see quite a bit of American Indian got into the mix.
Spaniards from Southern Spain? Are they more like Swedes or more like Moroccans?Replies: @Dream, @Twinkie, @Odyssey
Only 50-250 K (depending on the source) ‘real’ C.Asian Turk warriors came to the Eastern Roman Empire (Byzantine) where 6 million people lived. Greeks are originally MENA people who came to Europe (anyone knows when?) where mixing with indigenous people became ‘white’ and their language became so-called ’Indo-European’. In Turkey is still prohibited to research origins because Ottomans are a minority. Many Turks are actually converted Greeks.
https://twitter.com/nrken19/status/1518919451328061442?t=_qO6pnfRWB35ECZBqmfCTw&s=19
Spaniards are actually genetically closer to Scandinavians than to Moroccans, due to the latter's Sub Saharan ancestry.Replies: @Anonymous, @Cutler
Today’s Mainland Greeks are up to a third Slavic. And Turks have Oriental ancestry – not huge amounts of it, but it’s so dissimilar that it’s enough to make them relatively distant. As the map shows, Greeks are still closer to Turks than they are to Northern Europeans.
Anyway, genetic distances aren’t a great thing to base racial categories on. E.g. Sardinians are quite genetically distant from all other peoples. Are Sardinians their own racial category, unbeknownst to themselves or to other people they encounter?
You also mis-spoke about the Hungarian conquerors. They were not some "East Asian-shifted" group, they were genetically similar to ~75% European groups like Bashkirs.https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982222007321The Bashkir people of Russia are only 20% East Asian.Replies: @Twinkie, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @Odyssey
Hungarians came in the 896 AC to the Serbian land in modern Hungary. Serbs were majority in the modern Hungary until 1848. This was followed by forced Hungarization of the local population. It is interesting that the people of Transylvania, where the conflict between the Hungarians and the Romanians took place, is actually of Serbian genetic origin, since one part was Hungarized and the other part was subjected to Romanization. Janos Hunyadi the father of the Hungarian king Matthias Corvinus was a Serb.
Yet you would have the Turks as Central Asian (Turkic) while I’m sure the Greeks would be quite insistent that they were ‘European.’
It's the "browning effect of Islam" in action. With a few exceptions such as the Bosnians, we do not consider Muslim people to be white regardless of physical appearance, similar to the way we treat Hispanics.Replies: @Hope
That is stupid.
Phrygians, Lycians and Lydians were Serbian speaking tribes originally from Balkan who were Hellenized after the death of the Serbian-Macedonian tsar, Alexander the Great who conquered this region from Persians.
https://twitter.com/Klaus_Arminius/status/1607438096446156801?t=DLCv1aejmBdPLcX0DGwj3A&s=19Replies: @Anonymous, @AndrewR
Is it supposed to give people the warm fuzzies that they’re in a separate category, while they enjoy the many benefits of affirmative action and race-based aid?
Also, pretty ridiculous to compare MENA immigrants to the US (mostly quite successful, disproportionately Christian) to MENA immigrants to Europe (the lowest classes in their countries, disproportionately aggressive, criminal and extremist).
Ancient Greeks had a substantial Anatolian farmer ancestry, but also genetic inflow from the Caucasus. It may very well be that inflow was mediated via the Hittites or similar peoples.
He was careful when he made the assertion about Central Asian Turkic peoples (“often”).
It’s pretty clear that the original Turkic population emerged from Mongolia and was likely heavily East Asian in genetic composition. But it quickly mingled with the then very widely-spread Iranic populations dominant in Central Asia. So from the beginning, they were a highly hybridized population with varying phenotypes. This effect was compounded as they migrated westward (e.g. the Turks of Anatolia vs. the Turkmen).
Ever since the taming of the horse for transport (it was likely tamed for food much earlier) and the associated semi-nomadic pastoralism, the Eurasian steppes were a highway that facilitated rapid movement and mingling of populations. People living in this mode quickly confederated into large groups as political and military needs dictated, but also collapsed just as rapidly (e.g. the Huns whose elite leadership was possibly East Asian in origin, but quickly came to incorporate Germanic peoples and were eventually brought down by the latter).
As for the physical appearance difference, I think the people who say Greeks and Turks look similar aren’t looking carefully.
They do have similar coloring, and they both are stocky. But most Turks have clear west asiatic features, and Greeks just don’t. Pale Turks look more like Armenians and Georgians than SE Europeans.
Razib’s genetic distance map looks very accurate: Greeks look most like Bulgarians IMO.
All you’re doing here is talking flippantly.Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
You keep throwing this challenge out there (“What next? What’s your plan?”) as if it’s a substantive question. But that’s not how history happens. Wars and revolutions break out, and people either make it or they don’t. Nobody gets to submit their PowerPoints and have them approved before the shooting starts. Europe blew itself up in the early 20th century and is in the process of going extinct. The last time America got at loggerheads over a political debate, we killed 600,000 of each other.
Syria collapsed, and people either emigrated, joined militias, joined the army, or stayed put in their bombed-out apartments. Same for the Soviet Union, Rome, Byzantium, Rwanda, Yugoslavia. It has never been otherwise.
Of course it’s a substantive question. He hopes the U.S. falls as it it currently constituted—a quasi totalitarian government. That’s not even an accurate description. And one better have a plan in today’s world, in the context of our society and in response to Generation Z’s future influence, IF our government falls.
“But that’s not how history happens. Wars and revolutions break out, and people either make it or they don’t.”
Revolutions occur for specific reasons by active participants. They plan out how their forms of resistance and what they will do if successfully able to overthrow the government. That’s the history.
“Europe…is in the process of going extinct.”
Again, another false premise.
“The last time America got at loggerheads over a political debate, we killed 600,000 of each other.”
That’s my point. Are YOU and KP willing to get bloody for your cause?
“Syria collapsed, and people either emigrated, joined militias, joined the army, or stayed put in their bombed-out apartments.”
We’re not a backwards Muslim nation, right?
“Same for the Soviet Union, Rome, Byzantium, Rwanda, Yugoslavia. It has never been otherwise”
Apples to oranges comparisons. We are a nation of high trust, high IQ, high time preference white people who always have contingency plans in our hip pocket.
Oh, lardee, are you that Serbs are the real white people guy from Razib Khan’s blog?
He was elected for a reason.Replies: @Galloway (From NI)
That depressing approval rating says otherwise. Also, format your posts better; you sound like a primary schooler.
Absolutely not. Must be traced on both sides. 50 percent minimum. You might as well say you are an Ellis Islander.
You have to go back.Replies: @Galloway (From NI)
I agree, White is a much better category, but as a reminder America as a country was always intended for Whites of good character (this means you get to go back).
And you should know that the immigration act was altered numerous times to represent the changing demographics. You know, for our posterity. That’s who we are.
Oh, I am a good character. Just ask my detractors!
https://twitter.com/Klaus_Arminius/status/1607438096446156801?t=DLCv1aejmBdPLcX0DGwj3A&s=19Replies: @Anonymous, @AndrewR
Why wouldn’t we? Non-“whites” in the US get special privileges. If anything this will help to increase the number of visas given to MENA people because our regime’s goal is to flood and destroy the “white” population. Nothing good will come to “white” people from this. It’s just increasing the number of people who can “opt out” of whiteness, even though Europeans, especially Germanics, will never be given this option. For whites, this can be compared to Nazi Germany deciding that everyone with ≤ 3/4 Jewish ancestry are Aryan. It’s good for the 3/4 Jews who won’t be counted as Jews. But it makes the fully Jewish ones even more marginalized.
Anyway, cut to the chase. Have two categories: White and Not White. Whites can be discriminated against; non whites benefit from discrimination. We all know that’s what they want anyway. Ibram X Kendi told me so.Replies: @AndrewR
The racial pecking order in the US is Jews on top, then blacks, then “non-white POC,” then whites, especially WASPs. The official narrative includes Jews as whites but we all see what happens to blacks when they offend their masters.
But this is just cope. Blacks decide who is white and who isn’t. And for the majority of blacks, Jews are extra-privileged whites. This is how Whoopi Goldberg got in trouble, and also why she chose ‘Whoopi Goldberg’ as her stage name.
If Jews were not white the left would not call Israel an apartheid state.
There is also the ‘white adjacent’ category, invented so that dysfunctional POCs could slur anyone who doesn’t whinge about racism all the time and just gets on with it.
The main reason nobody mentions black racism is that nobody, liberal or conservative, really cares what blacks think of them. Some whites might pretend they do, but they don’t. Non-white non-blacks don’t even pretend.Replies: @AceDeuce
The vast majority of people there are not Caucasian, save the indigenous Berbers.Replies: @AndrewR
If by “Caucasian,” you mean “could pass for a native Swede,” sure. But who is using your stupid definition?
#1 WHITE.
#2 Awaiting deportation.
It is true that blacks did not build America, but they did build the South.
And for this, you must pay.Replies: @AceDeuce, @Art Deco
It is true that blacks did not build America, but they did build the South.
I believe about 40% of the population of the South was black in 1860, employed in agricultural and household labor (which are not the most productive segments of the labor force), with a few in trades. As for building in particular, blacks in 1900 were only weakly represented in the building trades (for example, accounting for about 4.2% of the carpenters in the country at that time). About 1/4 of the heads of household who listed their occupation as ‘laborer’ in 1900 were black; about 93% of these (give or take) would have been Southern blacks. If 30% of the laborers lived in the South, you might figure about 80% of the laborers in the South were black. So, one can posit that most of the unskilled labor on construction sites in the South was being supplied by blacks. That’s as close as you get to ‘building the South’.
The ‘official’ narrative among liberal Jews is that they are not-exactly-white.
But this is just cope. Blacks decide who is white and who isn’t. And for the majority of blacks, Jews are extra-privileged whites. This is how Whoopi Goldberg got in trouble, and also why she chose ‘Whoopi Goldberg’ as her stage name.
If Jews were not white the left would not call Israel an apartheid state.
There is also the ‘white adjacent’ category, invented so that dysfunctional POCs could slur anyone who doesn’t whinge about racism all the time and just gets on with it.
The main reason nobody mentions black racism is that nobody, liberal or conservative, really cares what blacks think of them. Some whites might pretend they do, but they don’t. Non-white non-blacks don’t even pretend.
Syria collapsed, and people either emigrated, joined militias, joined the army, or stayed put in their bombed-out apartments. Same for the Soviet Union, Rome, Byzantium, Rwanda, Yugoslavia. It has never been otherwise.Replies: @Corvinus
“You keep throwing this challenge out there (“What next? What’s your plan?”) as if it’s a substantive question.”
Of course it’s a substantive question. He hopes the U.S. falls as it it currently constituted—a quasi totalitarian government. That’s not even an accurate description. And one better have a plan in today’s world, in the context of our society and in response to Generation Z’s future influence, IF our government falls.
“But that’s not how history happens. Wars and revolutions break out, and people either make it or they don’t.”
Revolutions occur for specific reasons by active participants. They plan out how their forms of resistance and what they will do if successfully able to overthrow the government. That’s the history.
“Europe…is in the process of going extinct.”
Again, another false premise.
“The last time America got at loggerheads over a political debate, we killed 600,000 of each other.”
That’s my point. Are YOU and KP willing to get bloody for your cause?
“Syria collapsed, and people either emigrated, joined militias, joined the army, or stayed put in their bombed-out apartments.”
We’re not a backwards Muslim nation, right?
“Same for the Soviet Union, Rome, Byzantium, Rwanda, Yugoslavia. It has never been otherwise”
Apples to oranges comparisons. We are a nation of high trust, high IQ, high time preference white people who always have contingency plans in our hip pocket.
“but as a reminder America as a country was always intended for Whites of good character (this means you get to go back).”
And you should know that the immigration act was altered numerous times to represent the changing demographics. You know, for our posterity. That’s who we are.
Oh, I am a good character. Just ask my detractors!
Apology accepted.Replies: @Jack D
It was dicta and is in no way binding on the current court. Imagine an alternate history where RBG resigns when Obama asks her and a couple of other appointments and instead of the current AA case going 6-3 for overruling Grutter, it would go 5-4 for keeping it forever. “It turns out that racism is so pervasive in our society that 25 years was not enough and we need at least another 25 years, if not more, to remedy it, blah, blah, blah.”
Also, pretty ridiculous to compare MENA immigrants to the US (mostly quite successful, disproportionately Christian) to MENA immigrants to Europe (the lowest classes in their countries, disproportionately aggressive, criminal and extremist).Replies: @Dream
MENA numbers in America will always insignificant compared to that of other POCs.
In 1922, sure. Not in 2022.
In both Canada and the UK, Arabs and West Asians have a separate category. Italians have not opted out of whiteness in Canada.
If your goal is to preserve white demographics in America, then you should categorize MENAs and Europeans separately like smarter countries do.
Give it a rest, won't you. You're more delusional than the crazy rambling Serb.Replies: @Odyssey
It’s pretty clear that the original Turkic population emerged from Mongolia and was likely heavily East Asian in genetic composition. But it quickly mingled with the then very widely-spread Iranic populations dominant in Central Asia. So from the beginning, they were a highly hybridized population with varying phenotypes. This effect was compounded as they migrated westward (e.g. the Turks of Anatolia vs. the Turkmen).
Ever since the taming of the horse for transport (it was likely tamed for food much earlier) and the associated semi-nomadic pastoralism, the Eurasian steppes were a highway that facilitated rapid movement and mingling of populations. People living in this mode quickly confederated into large groups as political and military needs dictated, but also collapsed just as rapidly (e.g. the Huns whose elite leadership was possibly East Asian in origin, but quickly came to incorporate Germanic peoples and were eventually brought down by the latter).Replies: @Pixo
I agree with this genetic history on Turks and Hungarians.
As for the physical appearance difference, I think the people who say Greeks and Turks look similar aren’t looking carefully.
They do have similar coloring, and they both are stocky. But most Turks have clear west asiatic features, and Greeks just don’t. Pale Turks look more like Armenians and Georgians than SE Europeans.
Razib’s genetic distance map looks very accurate: Greeks look most like Bulgarians IMO.
You're on an HBD blog ... figure it out.And as a "black thang"--slots for blacks--annoying but fairly manageable. Saying "we got Joe and he's kinda slow, but we got to drag him along tonight"--annoying but doable. (Especially when you're still willing to toss Joe's little brother Dishitavious in jail when he acts like an a*hole.)
What has been absolutely toxic has been this imposition of this ideology of minoritarianism--yes, by your people, the Jews--where everyone who is non-normative comes in with their whine and is entitled to elbow all that is normal and traditional and functional and cohesive aside because they are a sainted "minority". Then literally everything that happens, everything that needs doing is subject to both tedious "diversity" bean counting and tedious political abuse/manipulation/control. Minoritarian Maoism, what we are seeing today.
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And yeah, 1619--mistakes were made. Should have never been brought here. Nothing but trouble. But then the same is true for 1880 and allowing in these eastern Ashkenazi, to bitch and whine and bitch and whine about--and deconstruct!--the nation that took them in after their neighbors got sick of them. Talk about ingratitude.
Alas I live in this timeline where both mistakes were made.Replies: @Twinkie, @Jack D
You’re on an HBD blog … figure it out.
I have and I have concluded that immigration is not the same thing as low IQ immigration. Some immigrant (groups) are low IQ and some are high so immigration itself doesn’t have IQ implications. When white people started to migrate to America, IQ went UP.
The rest of your rant is basically the old “Jews are Bolshies who undermine white civilization” – the sort of crap that the right wing junta in Argentina espoused. Even in an HBD blog, I don’t think that it is proven that Left wing sympathies are genetic. The people of China and Singapore are genetically similar but their politics are different and the average Israeli (but not all of them) seems to be to the right of the average American Jew. British Jews seem to lean Conservative. So Jews are not genetic Bolsheviks.
You obviously think differently but I think that the positive contributions of Ashkenazi Jews to American society outweigh the negatives and that the same is not true for blacks, especially not in the most g loaded occupations. If you look at the ratio of Nobel Prizes in science award to Jews vs. blacks, (1/4 of all Nobels to Jews, zero to blacks) the numbers are stunning.
You could mumble that without Jews the same stuff would have been invented anyway but I’m not so sure. Without Jews, would the atom bomb have been ready by August, 1945, in time to save hundreds of thousands of GIs from dying in an invasion of Japan? OTOH, if white people had picked their own cotton, I don’t think that the bomb would have been ready one single day later than it actually was.
The rest of your rant is basically the old “Jews are Bolshies who undermine white civilization” – the sort of crap that the right wing junta in Argentina espoused. Even in an HBD blog, I don’t think that it is proven that Left wing sympathies are genetic.
There actually is strong evidence that political outlooks have a genetic basis
https://news.unl.edu/newsrooms/today/article/twins-study-confirms-genetic-role-of-politics/
British Jews seem to lean Conservative. So Jews are not genetic Bolsheviks.
Well it’s entirely possible that Jews in the US are more likely to lean left due to being from a different genetic stock. The Jews of Britain have been there longer and are a much smaller population. They are going to be more intermixed with British genes. I think it is a fair question but my guess is that since a lot of Jews in the US are from Russian repression there is more likely a cultural aspect. They are more inclined to support minorities due to that history and also feeling like a minority in regard to Christians.
For the record I don’t take the position that Jews should be assumed to be leftists. I also don’t believe that the left would go away in the US if not for the Jews. Wapo is owned by a non-Jew and the executive editor is a left-wing White woman. So there goes the theory that the MSM is all a Jewish conspiracy. I’ve been around plenty of college educated Nords that are aware of race and fully support lying to the masses. They see it as their duty in fact as they feel it is the only option.
But with that said the radical left activism of the 60s was in fact heavily Jewish. It’s a taboo subject but easy to verify. Should that be weighed against scientific contributions? Sure I think that is fair but the “blame all Jews” right of course would block an honest discussion. So I understand the hesitation in breaching the subject. But you can find articles by Jews that openly talk about said activism.
Writers of what you might call “convenient secular human evolution” where race just happens to not exist but Christianity is mocked over creationism are also heavily Jewish. It’s practically a Jewish club. Should we just ignore this? Mainstream right and left say yes let’s just pretend that none of these patterns exist. Well I’m not a fan of sanitized human evolution where we can’t talk about race and are expected to merely submit to the order of the day.
So I feel stuck in the middle on all this. I assume a lot of Jews on the right feel the same way. I’m not Jewish and take a neutral position but still get called a Jew on a near daily basis for supporting Ukraine.
I believe about 40% of the population of the South was black in 1860, employed in agricultural and household labor (which are not the most productive segments of the labor force), with a few in trades. As for building in particular, blacks in 1900 were only weakly represented in the building trades (for example, accounting for about 4.2% of the carpenters in the country at that time). About 1/4 of the heads of household who listed their occupation as 'laborer' in 1900 were black; about 93% of these (give or take) would have been Southern blacks. If 30% of the laborers lived in the South, you might figure about 80% of the laborers in the South were black. So, one can posit that most of the unskilled labor on construction sites in the South was being supplied by blacks. That's as close as you get to 'building the South'.Replies: @Jack D
I have seen (unfortunately I don’t remember where) records of things like the construction of the Capitol were posted, giving the wages paid for various occupations. The daily wage for a skilled tradesman such as a mason (white) was a large multiple of the daily wage for an unskilled laborer (black), even bigger than you would find today. In the days before everyone went to college, being a skilled carpenter or other tradesman was a highly regarded occupation while digging ditches never was. And in those days, a lot of work that today would be done by an architect or structural engineer was the province of the skilled tradesman who knew from experience how to size columns and build arches and so on. So if you had visited the Capitol under construction you would have seen a lot of blacks with shovels and wheelbarrows and carrying bricks and so on, but they were mostly the muscle and nothing would have been built without the white people who were the brains.
Hispanics is not a "racial" term, as we all know.Replies: @Thea, @Cutler
My thoughts too, Use Mestizo
So truee. That’s something I point out to the woke crowd in social media. And usually, it shuts bthem up.
https://twitter.com/nrken19/status/1518919451328061442?t=_qO6pnfRWB35ECZBqmfCTw&s=19
Spaniards are actually genetically closer to Scandinavians than to Moroccans, due to the latter's Sub Saharan ancestry.Replies: @Anonymous, @Cutler
Colin Wright is a bit thick to be fair, Comments saying a particular people are something they are not are irrelevant. Europeans ( and people outside of Europe of European descent ) are genetically homogeneous and much more closely related to each other than other racial groups/ continental ancestry groups are to each other. All Europeans are White and the genes responsible for that light pigment is universal in people of European ancestry.
Am I being crazy to think that?Replies: @ziggurat
Affirmative Action = Antiwhite Action
It was always meant to be so.
https://www.unz.com/runz/american-meritocracy-revisited/
It was always meant to be so.
https://www.unz.com/runz/american-meritocracy-revisited/Replies: @Anonymous
Yes and this is why nobody cares about underqualified blacks who go to university then flunk out with a mountain of debt. The point is not to uplift blacks but to pull down whites (particularly WASPs). The blacks may be useless but they’re occupying places that would otherwise have gone to whites. Keeping out qualified whites is the primary purpose.
Canada and the UK, those famously smarter countries, with famously bright futures for their white populations. All thanks to putting MENA folks into their own category. Who knew it was so simple?
Give it a rest, won’t you. You’re more delusional than the crazy rambling Serb.
The very image you’re replying to debunks your nonsense. How about you actually look at it?
The Supreme court may very well kill disparate impact and AA as is deployed by the courts and the EEOC this spring in a ruling on Students v. Harvard, so this new classification creating a new group of beneficiaries may not matter at all.
Give it a rest, won't you. You're more delusional than the crazy rambling Serb.Replies: @Odyssey
Did you say something? You obviously didn’t. You have no knowledge or shame, but you have arrogance and a sense of exceptionalism. Which is to say – a moron. Do you know where your roots are, which civilization you belong to? Obviously not. When you have a high level of coke in your brain it doesn’t even matter because those who run the US (and Canada) need 90% of the population to be just like that – they create morons and maintain this level by convincing them that they are exceptional and then let them post comments here.
But this is just cope. Blacks decide who is white and who isn’t. And for the majority of blacks, Jews are extra-privileged whites. This is how Whoopi Goldberg got in trouble, and also why she chose ‘Whoopi Goldberg’ as her stage name.
If Jews were not white the left would not call Israel an apartheid state.
There is also the ‘white adjacent’ category, invented so that dysfunctional POCs could slur anyone who doesn’t whinge about racism all the time and just gets on with it.
The main reason nobody mentions black racism is that nobody, liberal or conservative, really cares what blacks think of them. Some whites might pretend they do, but they don’t. Non-white non-blacks don’t even pretend.Replies: @AceDeuce
You had better start caring–blacks have been artificially elevated to an exalted position in all areas of American life. So they are in position to demonstrate their hatred. And they are.
Can you read? Apparently not.
I told you what is likely next. Complete decline and total implosion.
“Rebuilding the nation” is the sort of vacuous phrasing that is typical from you, an ersatz profundity.
Really, I don’t know why you bother.
Of course you’re kidding, but Steve didn’t find out he was MENA until he was in his 30s, well after Apple became a successful company.
I have and I have concluded that immigration is not the same thing as low IQ immigration. Some immigrant (groups) are low IQ and some are high so immigration itself doesn't have IQ implications. When white people started to migrate to America, IQ went UP.
The rest of your rant is basically the old "Jews are Bolshies who undermine white civilization" - the sort of crap that the right wing junta in Argentina espoused. Even in an HBD blog, I don't think that it is proven that Left wing sympathies are genetic. The people of China and Singapore are genetically similar but their politics are different and the average Israeli (but not all of them) seems to be to the right of the average American Jew. British Jews seem to lean Conservative. So Jews are not genetic Bolsheviks.
You obviously think differently but I think that the positive contributions of Ashkenazi Jews to American society outweigh the negatives and that the same is not true for blacks, especially not in the most g loaded occupations. If you look at the ratio of Nobel Prizes in science award to Jews vs. blacks, (1/4 of all Nobels to Jews, zero to blacks) the numbers are stunning.
You could mumble that without Jews the same stuff would have been invented anyway but I'm not so sure. Without Jews, would the atom bomb have been ready by August, 1945, in time to save hundreds of thousands of GIs from dying in an invasion of Japan? OTOH, if white people had picked their own cotton, I don't think that the bomb would have been ready one single day later than it actually was.Replies: @Corvinus
“You obviously think differently but I think that the positive contributions of Ashkenazi Jews to American society outweigh the negatives and that the same is not true for blacks, especially not in the most g loaded occupations”
Yes, you think. This is exactly why you disqualify yourself in the eyes of the unz commentariat. You put your group on the top of the intersectional totem pole. I keep hearing that your kind is a scourge when it comes to communism, multiculturalism, and Cultural Marxism.
The point is you come across sanctimonious just like those blacks who don’t take responsibility for their actions But that’s inborn on your part I suppose.
There’s only one category for your kind—victim.
You can show that race card anywhere and you never go into debt.
23andMe says I’m 99.9% European & .1% MENA (Middle Eastern – North African).
Non-Whites aren’t supposed to quibble over their purity, right? And some Whites have a “one-drop rule.”
So what I wanna know is, can I play my RaceCard?
PS: I saw a report that at least one of these trace-your-ancestry services has been known to throw in a little bogus non-White into the results to tweak known uppity Whites.
OK, how much does it happen? Give a ball park figure. You know, a percentage. And who exactly is involved? What evidence are you able to offer?Replies: @getaclue
People like you are a big part of the problem denying reality with “sauces” bs — do some research? Get off the Mainslime Propaganda?
The Finders had children in Tallahassee obviously there was something very wrong – but of course the CIA stepped in – what exactly would they use children for? Any better blackmail you can use? Nothing to see here bc we can’t offer the “evidence”?
https://thewashingtonstandard.com/the-finders-cia-ties-to-child-sex-cult-obscured-as-coverage-goes-from-sensationalism-to-silence/
https://www.mintpressnews.com/the-finders-cia-ties-child-sex-cult-obscured-media-coverage/277543/
Anyone reviewing this site and what the “Elites” put out as “Entertainment” would have to be blind not to get there is something very wrong going on – massively – without need to give a “percentage”.
https://vigilantcitizen.com/
Of course Bush et al:
You need to get a clue!Replies: @Getaclue
The Finders had children in Tallahassee obviously there was something very wrong - but of course the CIA stepped in - what exactly would they use children for? Any better blackmail you can use? Nothing to see here bc we can't offer the "evidence"?
https://thewashingtonstandard.com/the-finders-cia-ties-to-child-sex-cult-obscured-as-coverage-goes-from-sensationalism-to-silence/
https://www.mintpressnews.com/the-finders-cia-ties-child-sex-cult-obscured-media-coverage/277543/
Anyone reviewing this site and what the "Elites" put out as "Entertainment" would have to be blind not to get there is something very wrong going on - massively - without need to give a "percentage".
https://vigilantcitizen.com/
Of course Bush et al:
https://www.amazon.com/Franklin-Cover-up-Satanism-Murder-Nebraska/dp/0963215809/ref=asc_df_0963215809/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312021428838&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=7235274526260638643&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9010835&hvtargid=pla-569633129959&psc=1®ion_id=972485&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=63669393313&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=312021428838&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=7235274526260638643&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9010835&hvtargid=pla-569633129959Replies: @Corvinus
The Franklin child prostitution ring allegations began in June 1988 in Omaha, Nebraska and attracted significant public and political interest until late 1990, when separate state and federal grand juries concluded that the allegations were unfounded and the ring was a “carefully crafted hoax“.
You need to get a clue!
You need to get a clue!Replies: @Getaclue
LOL-OKC- we know the bombs blew out and not in now. Also the murder there of Officer Terrance Yeakey:
https://ten8.wordpress.com/unanswered-questions-haunt-family-of-murdered-oklahoma-city-police-sgt-terrance-yeakey/
I was a Prosecutor. Anyone who believes these cases are not being covered up is willfully clueless. It was predicted the Franklin case would be covered up and it was–messing with Daddy Bush wouldn’t be allowed:
https://www.nebraskafreedom.org/post/the-fbi-is-a-masquerade-the-franklin-scandal
I lived in Tallahassee. The CIA covered up this Finders Pedo Cult. Zero doubt of it. Why? High level Pedos are in powerful positions:
https://www.mintpressnews.com/the-finders-cia-ties-child-sex-cult-obscured-media-coverage/277543/
Maybe you need to get a clue and wake up?
Now, if you are convinced of these numerous cover-ups, why not take it upon yourself to expose them? You have a duty and a responsibility, right?Replies: @getaclue
Listen, you claim to be a number of things. Prosecutor, in your own mind. Lived in Tallahassee, maybe. Rather than acknowledge you punching at waterfalls, you throw out two more things at the wall in hopes they stick.
Now, if you are convinced of these numerous cover-ups, why not take it upon yourself to expose them? You have a duty and a responsibility, right?
Now, if you are convinced of these numerous cover-ups, why not take it upon yourself to expose them? You have a duty and a responsibility, right?Replies: @getaclue
“claim” LOL- I couldn’t give a flying fk what you think sticks or whatever – I have no interest in impressing someone I detest. In fact I was a Prosecutor in Florida – I’ve looked you up – you’re a WaPo Hack – pushing propaganda for exactly these type people. A Clintonista type of course.
I’ve done way more than you ever dreamed of doing by the way. Yes I did my “duty and responsibility” – resulting in what is now one of the most senior African American Agents at the FBI explaining to me that the matter involving extremely serious crimes highly politically charged (although real, grave and solid evidence was handed to him by myself and an inside witness he did agree) – was a “Career Ender” for him. A Career Ender. No doubt a DC inhabitant like you is well acquainted with that term I was not.
He begged me to take back the evidence and let him out. Yes I had never heard the term before “Career Ender”- but I got it-like with the cases outlined in my previous comment some matters that involve the wrong people just will not be prosecuted and if you do try to do so you end up like those people in the Franklin case – framed, imprisoned, dead – those in authority who try to do the right thing in such cases like Officer Terrance Yeakey face a “Career Ender” like Terrance exactly did as to the OKC cover up – a terminal “Career Ender” for him. No “brave” WaPo Journos had any interest in touching that of course (pimping instead he “suicided” himself in the most impossible manner) they were pitching for the other side as always and pretending otherwise. The fact you try and portray it otherwise is what makes it all so very putrid- the WaPo does not represent a “Free Press” in any way shape or form.
His recommendation I leave the country I followed for some time and then I dealt with it some more – quite the experience – but no he and the FBI are not what they claim and you and the WaPo are not what you claim either. You and the WaPo serve these same “Elite” scum who have caused so much damage to the USA and cover up for them and worse.
Thankfully so many are now awake to the fact that the Mainslime Media WaPo et al are nothing more than propaganda agents for the “Elite” they serve – worse than the old Soviet Pravda because everyone knew what was up there as to Pravda but in the USA many have not yet caught on as to the WaPo and their fellows – but more and more are doing so thankfully. Interesting that most all here pick up on you and your bs and call it out.
You haven’t looked anyone up. And you certainly weren’t a Florida prosecutor. You talk and act like a shill.
But let’s play pretend. ASSUMING you were this prosecutor and this evidence—on a vague case you cite—it was up to YOU to move the prosecution forward, that Justice would prevail, and not blame someone else for this alleged “career ender”. Essentially, you chickened out. But iIf you still know this case very well, you could use your contacts (and especially Ron Unz) and make a big deal out of it. That is still your responsibility.
But you go on play pretending…