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Potential references[edit]

From [1]. See discussion: --Ronz (talk) 18:34, 22 December 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Thank you for your opinion. I refer to the reasoning in the section “Further reading and reviews” above. Please respond to the arguments.

It is interesting to note that the reviews are “a soapbox for promotion” at 18:34, 22 December 2011, and that they are “Potential references” at 18:34, 22 December 2011. It’s a pity that the Wikipedia software don’t give us seconds. Granateple (talk) 22:31, 28 December 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • I agree that these (and other) secondary reviews should be used in the article, and some/most of the citations to primary literature removed (from the "Potential health benefits"—this subsection in particular should conform to WP:MEDRS). Sasata (talk) 19:29, 7 January 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Unclear[edit]

Confusing terminology is used.

According to the photo labelled 'pomegranate arils', an aril is a seed PLUS the juicy red tissue around it. That seems to me to make sense.

But in the text it says: "arils (seed casings)". This means the aril is only the red tissue, not the seed.

A little further it says: "The entire seed is consumed raw, though the watery, tasty aril is the desired part." This suggests that the seed consists of both the outer red tissue AND the inner part.

Very confusing terminology. CBHA (talk) 23:47, 15 June 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Geography of origin[edit]

I have provided accurate edits of the origin of the fruit, citing Julia Morton's book which itself required editing because the reference was incomplete. The origin is suspected logically to be a broad area of the eastern Mediterranean Basin eastward to the Indian Himalayas, according to Morton. User Til Eulenspiegel has reversed these edits without adding support for her/his belief that the origin is limited to a relatively small geographic region of present-day Iran/Iraq. Other parts of the current Article do not adequately address origin. Without additional references, the Morton book chapter used by Purdue University, as often cited, appears to be the most widely accepted. Further editing of the Article is warranted. --Zefr (talk) 16:39, 2 April 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I reverted to the long and widely cited Persian origin, and provided the appropriate references. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.16.113.3 (talk) 17:41, 5 May 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I support this. There's nothing logical about claiming a plant species "originated" in half of the earth, this is just plain nonsense. The definition of "origin" means it should be pinpointed as closely as possible. Til Eulenspiegel /talk/ 18:06, 5 May 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

We know that certain plant species, have been indigenous to certain parts of the world, and have becoming imported in later history. Pomegranate is generally believed to have originated in Iran, and perhaps the surrounding areas. This has been a viable hypothesis for some time now. And the idea of a late distribution from a Persian center of origin, is consistent with genetic and archaeological evidence, which clearly reflects Neolithic diffusion of human populations from the Iranian plateau (and Turkey), westward into Europe, the Middle East, and India.

'Iran and the vicinity' sounds reasonable, and is in-line with what has been cited. A couple of the sources do note that the plant may have also been native to surrounding regions , too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.16.113.3 (talk) 19:15, 5 May 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It's interesting, because 2 of the sources that he lists, mentions Iran as the origin. I have found one other scientific source [2] that supports Iran, and another that supports 'through Iran and trans-caucasia' [3]. These articles are loaded with independent references to the origin in and around Iran. That being said it is only reasonable to change to 'vicinity of Iran'.

Pomegranates in Ancient Greece[edit]

Hi, I'm new to Wikipedia and I'm not so sure on editing and sourcing guidelines; I'm adding this here in case someone else wants to take care of this.

First, The Ancient Greece section for this article lacks mention of the Pomegranate sprouting from the blood of Adonis (Found in last paragraph on pg. 96 of Robert Graves' The Greek Myths, Folio Society, 14th printing from 2002.)

Second, Graves' book also says that Persephone only spent three months in the company of Hades (pg. 93, last paragraph) while the wiki page says six. Sources conflict on the exact numbers, it just might be worth mentioning the discrepancies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.134.231.165 (talk) 23:28, 29 August 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Forgot to mention that this particular edition omits Graves' own citations, as they were considered burdensome. So if the above needs to be verified by a more official source, then another edition of The Greek Myths might cite the original source material. In case page numbers differ between editions, it can be found in the chapter titled Demeter's Nature and Deeds. Hope this helps! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.134.231.165 (talk) 23:59, 29 August 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I've gone ahead and added the mention of a pomegranate springing from the blood of Adonis. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.42.240.24 (talk) 03:07, 31 August 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

2002[edit]

The article mentions that pomegranate juice products began to be widely distributed around 2002. This jibes with my own observation, but is there a reason? Was there some technological advance then that allowed easier mechanical extraction of the juice from the fruit? El Mariachi (talk) 12:24, 8 September 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Introduction to China[edit]

The article says that the pomegranate was introduced to China in the Tang dynasty, but no citation is provided. According to the Japanese version of this article, "東方への伝来は、前漢の武帝の命を受けた張騫が西域から帰国した際に、パルティアからザクロ（安石榴あるいは塗林）を持ち帰ったとする記述が『証類本草』（1091年-1093年）以降の書物に見られるため、紀元前2世紀の伝来であるとの説があるが、今日では3世紀頃の伝来であると考えられている" (there is mention in a book c. 1091 that the pomegranate was brought back around the second century BCE, but today it is thought that transmission occurred around the third century). It doesn't say whether the third century is BCE or CE, but the link provided goes to the third century CE. Pomegranate History and Timeline says the pomegranate has been cultivated in China since BCE. The POM Wonderful site says that they arrived in China in 138 BCE. About says it occurred around 100 BCE, perhaps a repeat of the belief on the Japanese page. Does anyone have a definitive resource that describes why there is some flip-flopping on these dates? --BB12 (talk) 19:09, 25 July 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Nutrition Information[edit]

Nutrition Facts Pomegranate Amount Per 0.5 cup arils (seed/juice sacs) (87 g) Calories 72 % Daily Value* Total Fat 1 g 1% Saturated fat 0.1 g 0% Polyunsaturated fat 0.1 g Monounsaturated fat 0.1 g Cholesterol 0 mg 0% Sodium 3 mg 0% Potassium 205 mg 5% Total Carbohydrate 16 g 5% Dietary fiber 3.5 g 14% Sugar 12 g Protein 1.4 g 2% Vitamin A 0% Vitamin C 14% Calcium 0% Iron 1% Vitamin D 0% Vitamin B-6 5% Vitamin B-12 0% Magnesium 2%

  • Percent Daily Values are based on a 2,000 calorie diet. Your daily values may be higher or lower depending on your calorie needs.

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References

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Please update Examine also[edit]

http://examine.com/supplements/Pomegranate/ http://examine.com/discussion/Pomegranate Examine now has only 8 scientific references for Pomegranate article, so if you know any good Pomegranate Research (Humans or animals), please add it there! For some articles they have almost 1000 references.

Wikipedia does not allow medical advice, while Examine allows some advice. Both Wikipedia and Examine try to be as non-biased as possible.

ee1518 (talk) 14:36, 25 March 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

A brief review of examine.com shows their writers do not observe WP:MEDRS. The site is full of misinformation and should not be referenced on Wikipedia. --Zefr (talk) 14:51, 25 March 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No Results yet 2015.03.25?[edit]

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?term=pomegranate&recr=&rslt=With&type=&cond=&intr=&titles=&outc=&spons=&lead=&id=&state1=&cntry1=&state2=&cntry2=&state3=&cntry3=&locn=&gndr=&rcv_s=&rcv_e=&lup_s=&lup_e=

no studies found for: pomegranate | Studies With Results

I recommend bookmarking that if you are interested in Pomegranate Research.

ee1518 (talk) 14:44, 25 March 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Variance with the Encyclopaedia Brittanica[edit]

This article is at variance with a paper version of the Encyclopadia Brittanica. This article says that while in the Underworld, Persephone ate six pomegranates, but according to the Encyclopaedia Brittanica, Persephone only ate a single pomegranate. 81.140.1.129 (talk) 16:15, 27 March 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Aril confusion[edit]

The article needs improvement to help readers understand exactly how the terms ARIL and SEED (and BERRY) apply to this fruit -- both the exact technical correct meanings and the common usages. Cross-section diagrams perhaps?-73.61.15.155 (talk) 17:11, 19 November 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

((could someone please fix the broken way footnotes format by default on talk pages? they ought to default to the sections, not the bottom of the page!))-73.61.15.155 (talk) 17:13, 19 November 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Both tasks completed, with a rewritten section here. There are 3 images in the article showing the arils inside a cut fruit. --Zefr (talk) 00:13, 20 November 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The fleshy edible part of a pomegranate seed is a sarcotesta not an aril. It looks like there are citations that go either way. ~Randy (talk) 07:08, 14 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Possible removal from list[edit]

An entry in List of colors: N–Z contained a link to this page.

The entry is :

  • Pomegranate

I don't see any evidence that this color is discussed in this article and plan to delete it from the list per this discussion: Talk:List_of_colors#New_approach_to_review_of_entries

If someone decides that this color should have a section in this article and it is added, I would appreciate a ping.--S Philbrick(Talk) 20:33, 2 September 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hey DavidBro. User:David_notMD. Hey User:Zefr Zephr bro.[edit]

Hey User:David_notMD.So, i thought this for a moment. I didnt know how it flagged for disruptive editing. IF you see carefully THIS STATEMENT WASNT ADDED BY ME IT WAS LONG BEFORE I MADE ANY EDIT.

Pomegranate ellagitannins are under preliminary research for their potential health benefits.[55] In vitro and in vivo studies have shown that most of their observed effects are due to a group of metabolites called urolithins which result from the transformation of ellagitannins by the microbiota.[56]

BUT NOW SINCE YOU HAVE REVERTED THE ENTIRE PARAGRAPH, THE ENTIRE ACCUSATION GOES TO ME FOR ADDING THIS STUFF. I ONLY ADDED THIS LINE:

Also, urolithins are being researched for breast cancer, endometrial cancer, prostate cancer, bladder cancer, colon cancer, heart diseases, obesity and ageing.[52]

BECAUSE IT DOESNT INDICATE THAT UROLITHINS TREATS IT BUT RESEARCH IS GOING ON WHICH MEANS I SHOULD HAVE ADDED TO `==RESEARCH==` SECTION. BUT JUST TODAY I LEARNT FROM DAVID NOTMD THAT AT LEAST ONE GOOD HUMAN TRIAL MUST BE NECESSARY TO KEEP IN RESEARCH SECTION SO I SHOULDNT HAVE ADDED THAT AND THATS A MISTAKE BY ME.(hmm)

MOVING ON TO NEXT EDIT, THE MOST UPPER EDIT OF -2680 SOMETHING CHARACTERS YOU DID , I DONT THINK THATS NECESSARY BECAUSE I TRIED TO BRING EVERYTHING TO ONE PLACE, FRUIT, STEM, BARK, ROOT, AND ALL OTHER CHEMICAL CONSTITUENT TO ONE PLACE. So, User:Zefr what do you think.

I DIDNT KNOW BRINGING IN ONE PLACE WAS DISRUPTIVE EDITING.

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Pomegranate

The pomegranate (Punica granatum) is a fruit-bearing deciduous shrub in the family Lythraceae, subfamily Punicoideae, that grows between 5 and 10 m (16 and 33 ft) tall. The pomegranate was originally found only throughout the Mediterranean region. It was introduced into Spanish America in the late 16th century and into California by Spanish settlers in 1769.

Photograph credit Ivar Leidus

Granada[edit]

Concerning to Granada the article is wrong. Although Granada was (re)founded from Ilbîra (antique Iliberris) in the early 11th century, the name is romance. Medieval Arab geographs translate Garnâta (yes, metathesis between -r- and -a-) into Arabic with hisn ar-rumman, which means "the castle of the pomegranate". So Granada is NOT an obsucre Arabic word, but a romance word, which simply means "red [city/castle]". El Quijote (talk) 08:26, 28 June 2023 (UTC) El Quijote (talk) 08:27, 28 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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